Rocky Mountain Shakedown
Alex
*Parliament-Funkadelic*
1991 LP/CD Rocky Mountain Shakedown Brigand
BRIG-021
(Denver, 1976 Live)
Does anybody know where I can get this CD? Does anyone have it for
sale? Does it feature Eddie Hazel?
Thanks
Alex
Mike Theiss
Alex wrote:
Well, first of all, keep in mind that this is a bootleg. So you ain't
gonna find it at Tower. Check used places and shady Mom 'n Pop stores
that carry bootleg stuff. But since it's a bootleg it was probably
pressed in fairly limited quantities when it first came out a few years
ago and most of the cds/LP's are probably in collectors hands by now.
(BTW, the double LP version has a more complete version of the show ---
it's nearly 90 minutes long, so I know they cut some stuff of the cd.
Also -- some of the vinyl versions come in gatefold with a funny
fakeadelic illustration designed to look like a cheap Pedro Bell
rip-off. The art bears a "Pedro Hell" signature! )
No -- this album does not feature Eddie Hazel. The guitarists are Mike
Hampton, Garry Shider and Glen Goins. It is basically the same lineup
as the "P-Funk Earth Tour" album. (Which Eddie is credited on -- but I
believe he only played on one or two of the studio cuts -- I'm fairly
certain he's not on the live cuts)
One more thing --- the album is credited to "Funkadelic" so that's what
you probably wanna look under when you're searching.
Peace,
MT
Alex
Mike Theiss wrote:
> No -- this album does not feature Eddie Hazel. The guitarists are Mike
> Hampton, Garry Shider and Glen Goins. It is basically the same lineup
> as the "P-Funk Earth Tour" album. (Which Eddie is credited on -- but I
> believe he only played on one or two of the studio cuts -- I'm fairly
> certain he's not on the live cuts)
>
> One more thing --- the album is credited to "Funkadelic" so that's what
> you probably wanna look under when you're searching.
>
> Peace,
>
> MT
I thought this bootleg had the same version as Coming round the Mountain
that appears on the 4CD best of live set? I am sure that must be Eddie
playing on the 4CD version.....I can't believe that it is Hampton doing
an Eddie impression but I could be wrong??!!
If it is Eddie playing on the 4CD version of Coming Round the Mountain
which show is that from? Do you know where can I get a copy of that
show from?
Many Thanks
Alex
FF Gap
Hi everybody!
The CD-version (TRIANGLE RECORDS PYCD072) contains the following tracks:
Children of Production 2:51
Mothership Connection 3:59
Swing Down, Sweet Chariot: 5:39
Dr. Funkenstein 12:59
Medley: Give Up The Funk
Get Off Your Ass & Jam
Night Of The Thumpasaurus People 10:51
Cosmic Slop 6:50
Red Hot Mama 7:01
Medley: Let's Take It To The Stage
Take Your Dead Ass Home 16:25
Do That Stuff 6:06
(titles and times as printed on back of CD-case)
The first medley is faded out at the end ( :-( ). Perhaps someone can post
the titles and runnig times of the LP-version, so we can find out the
difference...
The front of the CD-booklet has a picture of the Mothership on it, but the
picture is so dark that you can see less more than nothing. The back of the
booklet carries a smaller negative of the same picure. On the back of the
CD-case are some infos printed (titles, times, source...).
May The Funk B With U
FF Gap thei...@metronet.de
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>
>
> Alex wrote:
>
> > *Parliament-Funkadelic*
> >
> > 1991 LP/CD Rocky Mountain Shakedown Brigand
> > BRIG-021
> > (Denver, 1976 Live)
> >
> > Does anybody know where I can get this CD? Does anyone have it for
> > sale? Does it feature Eddie Hazel?
>
> Well, first of all, keep in mind that this is a bootleg. So you ain't
> gonna find it at Tower. Check used places and shady Mom 'n Pop stores
> that carry bootleg stuff. But since it's a bootleg it was probably
> pressed in fairly limited quantities when it first came out a few years
> ago and most of the cds/LP's are probably in collectors hands by now.
>
> (BTW, the double LP version has a more complete version of the show ---
> it's nearly 90 minutes long, so I know they cut some stuff of the cd.
> Also -- some of the vinyl versions come in gatefold with a funny
> fakeadelic illustration designed to look like a cheap Pedro Bell
> rip-off. The art bears a "Pedro Hell" signature! )
>
User271120
>Mike Theiss wrote:
>> No -- this album does not feature Eddie Hazel. The guitarists are Mike
>> Hampton, Garry Shider and Glen Goins. It is basically the same lineup
>> as the "P-Funk Earth Tour" album. (Which Eddie is credited on -- but I
>> believe he only played on one or two of the studio cuts -- I'm fairly
>> certain he's not on the live cuts)
>>
>> One more thing --- the album is credited to "Funkadelic" so that's what
>> you probably wanna look under when you're searching.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> MT
>
>that appears on the 4CD best of live set? I am sure that must be Eddie
>playing on the 4CD version.....I can't believe that it is Hampton doing
>an Eddie impression but I could be wrong??!!
>
>If it is Eddie playing on the 4CD version of Coming Round the Mountain
>which show is that from? Do you know where can I get a copy of that
>show from?
>
>Many Thanks
>Alex
The version of 'Comin' Round the Mountain'on 'Rocky Mountain Shakedown'is
Mike"Kidd Funkadelic "Hampton,and it's the same version that appears on the 4
CD box set.
User271120
>(BTW, the double LP version has a more complete version of the show ---
>it's nearly 90 minutes long, so I know they cut some stuff of the cd.
>Also -- some of the vinyl versions come in gatefold with a funny
>fakeadelic illustration designed to look like a cheap Pedro Bell
>rip-off. The art bears a "Pedro Hell" signature! )
>
>
The main difference between the double LP and the CD is 'tHE uNDISCO
kIDD",which is cut in two parts on the LP,one with the intro with Bernie
playing so smooth,it's been said to bring some funkers to tears,then on the
following side Glen Goins is hollering "Wooooooooo",to George's rantings over
minds being freed,still grooving off "The Undisco Kidd".
The LP has a photo of George stepping off the mothership,and the track listing
is completely bogus with fake titles like 'Starchild Motherfu@ker'.
Anyone know when Eddie Hazel did appear back in the P-Funk lineup following his
work with the Temptations around' 75?
Alex
> The version of 'Comin' Round the Mountain'on 'Rocky Mountain Shakedown'is
> Mike"Kidd Funkadelic "Hampton,and it's the same version that appears on the 4
> CD box set.
If this is true I am amazed because it doesn't sound like Hampton's
playing at all and I automatically assumed it was Eddie because of the
feel and sheer brilliance of the playing and the guitar tone.
Unless.....it may be that the version I have on the 4CD set may be from
a different show as I live in the UK and I believe the 4CD set over here
is different to the one that was released in the States.
The version I have has got to be Eddie playing because I don't believe
it is possible to cop his chops and style of playing to that degree as
well as exactly reproduce his tone (and believe me I have tried).
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking Hampton. He is a fine player with
great feel but he did not have the same style of playing or tone as
Eddie. His timing and note choice / chord voicings are completely
different, even when he is playing Eddie's lines! It is not my place to
suggest that one is better than the other, they are just different.
If you take any live version of Maggot Brain, I believe that it is
possible to immediately know if it is Hampton or Eddie playing it
because of the phrasing / timing, the tone (from the fingers) and the
vibrato. If you put Eddie and Hampton in the same room playing the same
guitar and lines through the same amp they would still sound different.
As I said, I wouldbe utterly amazed if we are all talking about the
same version of Coming Round the Mountain (an Eddie song) but I could be
wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Any Thoughts
Alex
Alex
Do you know of any such stores that are on line
Thanks
Alex
User271120
They all sound different(P-Funk Guitar Army).In addition to the box set,you can
see Micheal play 'Comin' Round The Mountain 'on video from the '76 tour.With a
gigantic sombrero on his head to boot!
I remember seeing Eddie on the 'Motor Booty Affair Tour',but have never seen
him on the '76-77 Mothership.
Although Eddie's stoke is as inherently funky and organically ,pyschedelic,as
mentioned Kiddd Funkadelic can play anything.
Kurt Nordwell P500
Alex wrote:
>
> The version I have has got to be Eddie playing because I don't believe
> it is possible to cop his chops and style of playing to that degree as
> well as exactly reproduce his tone (and believe me I have tried).
>
I have always understood it to be Hampton. Perhaps someone with ties to the
mob can clear this up. I have a feeling your preconceptions are going to be
shattered. It's like when people learn that the solos in 80's Zappa are not
Steve Vai, but Frank.
Peace,
Kurt
Mike Theiss
Alex wrote:
> > The version of 'Comin' Round the Mountain'on 'Rocky Mountain Shakedown'is
> > Mike"Kidd Funkadelic "Hampton,and it's the same version that appears on the 4
> > CD box set.
>
> If this is true I am amazed because it doesn't sound like Hampton's
> playing at all and I automatically assumed it was Eddie because of the
> feel and sheer brilliance of the playing and the guitar tone.
If you study Hampton's playing more carefully, you may find yourself changing your
mind. There may be stuff on LP's that you think is Eddie that is actually Mike
playing. To me 'Comin' Round the Mountain' the live version sounds very much in
Mike's style.
> Unless.....it may be that the version I have on the 4CD set may be froma
> different show as I live in the UK and I believe the 4CD set over here
> is different to the one that was released in the States.
No -- I have both the US and UK versions of the 4cd set. The version on "Comin'
Round The Mountain" on both releases is from the Denver 76 show. (You are correct
that the sets are different they have different packages and song selection and
some of the dates are wrong on each version, but they were right in regards to
this track).
> The version I have has got to be Eddie playing because I don't believe
> it is possible to cop his chops and style of playing to that degree as
> well as exactly reproduce his tone (and believe me I have tried).
You're underestimating Kidd Funkadelic. Check out "Tales Of Kidd Funkadelic" and
"Hardcore Jollies" and pay real, real close attention to the guitars on those
albums. Most of the lead playing is Michael or Garry on those albums. Eddie
definitely plays on the original version of "Comin' Round The Mountain" on
"Hardcore Jollies" but most of the other tracks are Mike. I think Mike's
playing was a bit more energetic and lively when he was younger. Also, the gear
back then just sounded different and that has affected his sound over the years
too.
Compare the original "Comin' Round The Mountain" on Hardcore Jollies to the live
version from Denver '76. Granted one recording is live and one is in the studio,
but you will notice dramatic differences in tone, technique and feel. Mike's
playing is generally a lot more flashy, I've never heard Eddie run off a lot of
notes as Mike does on the live version of "Comin' Round the Mountain".
> Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking Hampton. He is a fine player with
> great feel but he did not have the same style of playing or tone as
> Eddie. His timing and note choice / chord voicings are completely
> different, even when he is playing Eddie's lines! It is not my place to
> suggest that one is better than the other, they are just different.
Good observation, I'm suprised you haven't noticed that then on the live version
of Comin' Round The Mountain!
> As I said, I wouldbe utterly amazed if we are all talking about the
> same version of Coming Round the Mountain (an Eddie song) but I could be
> wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Sorry Alex --- you're definitely wrong about the versions we're listening too. I
can definitely confirm that the "Comin' Round The Mountain" on the UK 4cd set
(Castle Communication), US 4cd set (AEM records) and Rocky Mountain Shakedown
Denver '76 boot are one in the same. I'm 99% positive that Mike is on this
version of Comin' Round of Mountain. My assessment is based on a few years of
studying and following P-Funk. I've never seen any pictures from any 1976-1977
P-Funk shows with Eddie in them, nor have I heard any reliable source of
information say that Eddie was a band member during those tours. He was doing
other projects like the Temptations "Shakey Ground" around that time.
If you are still not convinced --- try and cop a copy of the bootleg video with
P-Funk in Houston Texas recorded on 10/31/76. This video also features a live
version of 'Comin' Round The Mountain' (very similar to the Denver recording) and
you can see Mike Hampton playing it with your own eyes.
Here's the track listing for the vinyl version of the Denver '76 show:
Cosmic Slop
Red Hot Mama
Let's Take It To The Stage
Do That Stuff
Undisco Kidd
Children Of Production
Dr. Funkenstein
Comin' Round The Mountain
Give Up The Funk
Night Of The Thumpasorus People
(* Note that this is the actual order, not the order on the track listing which
has mucho errors. When the LPs were pressed they number the disks wrong as
well. You need to listen to side 3, then side 4, then side 1, then side 2 to
hear the show in the correct order as it really happened.)
User271120
>Alex wrote:
>>
>> The version I have has got to be Eddie playing because I don't believe
>> it is possible to cop his chops and style of playing to that degree as
>> well as exactly reproduce his tone (and believe me I have tried).
>>
>
>mob can clear this up. I have a feeling your preconceptions are going to be
>shattered. It's like when people learn that the solos in 80's Zappa are not
>Steve Vai, but Frank.
>
>Peace,
>
>Kurt
>
Round the Mountain',then live you have Mike playing exactly like the
record,thus he hears what he'd identify as an Eddie clone.
To the ear when each soloist for P-Funk is playing on the original version of
a tune he puts his stamp on it.Mike Hampton's playing ,for me really forms on
the 'One Nation Under A Groove 'LP.You can identify his clean high notes and
hooks that coincide with parts of the songs that have been sung etc.Where as
Eddie Hazel,who Mike described in an interview as being less concerned with
structered parts of past wax,and more likely to start with recognizable parts
of a song then go off into improvisational feel of play for the moment.In
contrast Hampton took on the task of playing' Maggot Brain' and other P-Funk
classics laid down by Eddie as note for note,as he said that that would be
what he would want to hear if he was to be a concert goer.
In the case of ZAPPA he usually has the guitar solos assigned in numbers solo
#1 Dweezil,#2 Frank,and Steve Vai on "impossible guitar parts"which would
include the whammy bar screaming things that FZappa usually won't do.
DinoVacume
too all who involved in the recent thread . . .
THANKS!!!! that was one of thr most intresting and informative threads to shiw
up lately. This is why these newsgroups exist!
Alex
Mike Theiss wrote:
> Sorry Alex --- you're definitely wrong about the versions we're listening too. I
> can definitely confirm that the "Comin' Round The Mountain" on the UK 4cd set
> (Castle Communication), US 4cd set (AEM records) and Rocky Mountain Shakedown
> Denver '76 boot are one in the same. I'm 99% positive that Mike is on this
> version of Comin' Round of Mountain. My assessment is based on a few years of
> studying and following P-Funk. I've never seen any pictures from any 1976-1977
> P-Funk shows with Eddie in them, nor have I heard any reliable source of
> information say that Eddie was a band member during those tours. He was doing
> other projects like the Temptations "Shakey Ground" around that time.
>
> If you are still not convinced --- try and cop a copy of the bootleg video with
> P-Funk in Houston Texas recorded on 10/31/76. This video also features a live
> version of 'Comin' Round The Mountain' (very similar to the Denver recording) and
> you can see Mike Hampton playing it with your own eyes.
Don't apologise, I am just surprised. I do put Eddie on a pedestal
sometimes but I happily accept that this is Hampton playing if that is
the case. I have just never heard Hampton playing that way before.
I always felt that Hampton's playing (certainly these days) is a bit
more heavy metal than Eddie's. Again, I am not criticising him or his
ability but generally I feel that he is more of a 'shred' master than
Eddie. More Steve Vai to Eddie's Jimi Hendrix.
However, this version of 'comin Round the Mountain' is amazing and the
playing on it is absolutely brilliant. Dare I say that it is far
superior to Eddie's studio version of the same song.
I feel that Eddie did lose some of his magic from the mid seventies
onward, probably due to too much skag but he always maintained his
uniquely funky and primal style of playing.
Does anybody have any bootlegs (preferably videos) where Eddie is
prominently featured and he is on fire? The nearest thing I have is the
72 Meadowbrook gig. Although there are moments of brilliance on there,
the overall gig is not great as the band are not grooving too well
because of the line up changes and stuff.
My illusions have not been shattered by realising it is Hampton playing
on 'Comin Round the Mountain'....quite the opposite , I take my hat off
to him. Now why can't he play straight into his amp with an organic
tone and rip it up like that nowadays?
I've always had a problem with the PFunk guitar sounds from the eighties
onwards. I think that they are too processed. The funk is supposed to
be organic so it moves the emzines in your body. It is a chemical
reaction in your body that reacts to the primal sounds of the funk. I
think that since the guitar sounds have been generated through digital
effects and pointed head stock guitars a lot of the funk has been
compressed and over produced sounding hence my comments about Hamptons
playing being a bit more heavy metal.
I dare say that a lot of you will disagree with me but these our just my
humble opinions. I think that PFunk live now have a terrible sound for
a funk band because of the drum sounds being too rock, the guitar sounds
are thin/over compressed and too rock again. The keyboard sounds are
generated through plastic keyboards etc etc. I think that they sound
more like Motley Crue than Funkadelic nowadays.
I just wish that they would strip the show back down to the raw elements
of the funk and get the sounds right again intead of the over blown
cheese that it is becoming.
Can't wait for the come back on this one but I am entitled to an opinion
am I not?
Keep the Funk alive
Alex
FF Gap
Alex <Alex.C...@Diskus.com> schrieb im Beitrag
<34D9F9...@Diskus.com>...
> > The version of 'Comin' Round the Mountain'on 'Rocky Mountain
Shakedown'is
> > Mike"Kidd Funkadelic "Hampton,and it's the same version that appears on
the 4
> > CD box set.
>
> If this is true I am amazed because it doesn't sound like Hampton's
> playing at all and I automatically assumed it was Eddie because of the
> feel and sheer brilliance of the playing and the guitar tone.
> Unless.....it may be that the version I have on the 4CD set may be from
> a different show as I live in the UK and I believe the 4CD set over here
> is different to the one that was released in the States.
>
That's right. But the versions of 'Comin Round The Mountain' are the same
on the UK (Sequel Records) and the US release (AEM Record Group).
I can't say anything about the japanese release...
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May The Funk B With U
FF Gap thei...@metronet.de
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I have always wondered this as well. I have generally regarded this as
the best guitar solo ever. I asked Micheal Hampton about the recording in
question. His response, which any Funkateer could have seen coming a mile
away, was:
"I don't know. Probably."
I told him I thought it was the best ever. I asked if he was familiar
with Rocky Mountain Shakedown, and he said he wasn't. No big surprise in
any of this once you "get it" about the Pfunk mob.
All you folks going to see Bernie in the Knitting Factory tonight...... I
envy you to the ends of the Earth!!!
In article <34D896...@Diskus.com>, Alex <Alex.C...@Diskus.com> wrote:
> *Parliament-Funkadelic*
>
> 1991 LP/CD Rocky Mountain Shakedown Brigand
> BRIG-021
> (Denver, 1976 Live)
>
> Does anybody know where I can get this CD? Does anyone have it for
> sale? Does it feature Eddie Hazel?
>
> Thanks
> Alex
Clone Maggot and Funkateer!!
Alex <Alex.C...@Diskus.com> wrote:
>I've always had a problem with the PFunk guitar sounds from the eighties
>onwards. I think that they are too processed. The funk is supposed to
>be organic so it moves the emzines in your body. It is a chemical
>reaction in your body that reacts to the primal sounds of the funk. I
>think that since the guitar sounds have been generated through digital
>effects and pointed head stock guitars a lot of the funk has been
>compressed and over produced sounding hence my comments about Hamptons
>playing being a bit more heavy metal.
Except when Garry or Boogie are carrying the guitar load. They still
have that sound you seek... and you can hear it every now-and-again on
recent tours.
The Funk will survive just like it always does: Fly Away!!