Just curious what you feel the 10 most 'beautiful' folk songs are? Mine
change quite a bit but they would have to be (in no particular order):
Max 2 per artist:
Donovan - Sailing Homeword
Donovan - Isle of Islay
Dougie MacLean - Ca' the Yowes
Dougie MacLean - Scythe Song
Don Maclean - Vincent
Nick Drake - Cello Song
Joan Baez - Sweeter for Me
Judy Collins - her cover of the Leonard Cohen song "Suzanne"
Jim Croce - Time in a Bottle
After Crying - Ketezer Ev
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"Somewhere in America" by Eric Bogle
"Leaving Nancy" by Eric Bogle
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The Circle Game - Joni Mitchell
Urge for Going - Joni Mitchell
Darling be Home Soon - Lovin Spoonful
In My Life - The Beatles
A Pirate Looks at Forty - Jimmy Buffett
Sweet Baby James - James Taylor
Carolina in My Mind - James Taylor
Old Blue - James Taylor
Arrow - Cheryl Wheeler
Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie have a few too <g>
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-> Today's favorites are:
->
-> The Circle Game - Joni Mitchell
-> Urge for Going - Joni Mitchell
-> Darling be Home Soon - Lovin Spoonful
-> In My Life - The Beatles
-> A Pirate Looks at Forty - Jimmy Buffett
-> Sweet Baby James - James Taylor
-> Carolina in My Mind - James Taylor
-> Old Blue - James Taylor
-> Arrow - Cheryl Wheeler
-> Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie have a few too <g>
I don't want to re-open the "what is folk?" flame wars of days gone by,
so I'll just ask: how about a list of beautiful trad songs?
I Live Not Where I Love would be high on my list.
So would Annachie Gordon. And Peggy Gordon. And
Braw Sailin On The Sea. And Broom O' The Cowdenknowes.
And Blackwaterside.
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1. Bread & Roses - Judy Collins
2. Plaisir D'Amour - Joan Baez
3. Field Behind the Plow - Stan Rogers
4. Girl From the North Country - Bob Dylan
5. Prarie Wedding - Mark Knopfler (a current favorite)
6. Times We're Living In - Kate Wolf
7. Deportee (Plane Crash....) Priscilla Herdman
8. Julie Ann - Nancy Griffuth
9. Nancy Spain - (and you can move this up on the list)
10, Eric Bogel's version of Lock Keeper
I thought there were some really interesting selections on other lists --
tunes of which I'm very fond. Love the Priscilla Herdman version of
Anachie Gordon & Melanie's cover of Carolina on my Mind. Tommy Sands --
Sadako & the Paper Cranes is a fabulous tune. And several songs in Gaelic
by the Sands Family always get my attention. It's hard to narrow it down
to 10. Seems like I never have any problems filling up an 80 minute CD
with something beautiful.
joel
Good choice; after all, the original poster did put 'beautiful' in quotation
marks, obviously meaning something other than beautiful.
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> "May the Bird of Paradise Fly up Your Nose", by Little Jimmy Dickens.
That's a fave of mine too <g>
But for sheer poignancy, you can't top "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its
Flavor (On The Bedpost Overnight)?" by the original "sensitive new age
guy", Lonnie Donegan.
When I'm Gone - Phil Ochs
Great Divide - Kate Wolf
Ramblin' Boy - Tom Paxton
Cat in the Cradle - Harry Chapin
Tennessee Waltz - ?
Mr. Bojangles - the version I once heard sung by Sammy Davis Jr.
America - Simon and Garfunkle
Roseville Fair - Bill Staines
Good Night Irene - Huddie Ledbetter
Dancing at Whitsun - ?
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> Just curious what you feel the 10 most 'beautiful' folk songs are? Mine
> change quite a bit but they would have to be (in no particular order):
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> Hi Folks:
>
> Just curious what you feel the 10 most 'beautiful' folk songs are? Mine
> change quite a bit but they would have to be (in no particular order):
>
> Max 2 per artist:
(SNIP LIST OF SINGER/SONGWRITER STUFF)
Glossing over the lack of any actual folk songs in your list (we know
what you mean even if you don't mean what we know!) and moving
laterally to music that isn't by people from the 51 states . . . Guinea
has the most beautiful melodies in Africa, so just about any version
of "Jarabi", or "Manianba" (Djene Doumbia's for a start) or Jali Musa
Diawara's "Haidara" which still gives me goose pimples nearly 20
years after becoming hooked by it.
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> I don't want to re-open the "what is folk?" flame wars of days gone
> by, so I'll just ask: how about a list of beautiful trad songs?
Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of this
thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means
"recorded performance of a song".
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I did a bit of web searching for all of these but couldn't actually find
anything to listen to. Since you appear to like the Kora though check out
Mamadou Diabate and his "Tunga". The title track is one of the most
beautiful melodies I've ever heard.
> Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email> writes:
>
>> I don't want to re-open the "what is folk?" flame wars of days gone
>> by, so I'll just ask: how about a list of beautiful trad songs?
>
> Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of this
> thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means
> "recorded performance of a song".
What's the point of reading a thread titled "10 most beautiful folk songs"
if it lists songs that one may never be able to hear?
> Joe Fineman <j...@TheWorld.com> wrote in
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> > Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of
> > this thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here,
> > "song" means "recorded performance of a song".
>
> What's the point of reading a thread titled "10 most beautiful folk
> songs" if it lists songs that one may never be able to hear?
It is possible to hear songs otherwise than thru loudspeakers.
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Catch the wind - Donovan
For the traditional folklorist types...
Wild Mountain Thyme
For the world music types...
Sakadougou - A Malinka Ballad from Guinea
Love under the Moonlight, Traditional Vietnamese folk tune, lyrics by Khac
Chi, Viet Nam
El Pueblito - Traditional Peruvian Folk Song, Colores Andinos
You can't define folk music. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Sing it yourself. How difficult is it to work out, say, Brian McNeill's
"Hush, Hush" from sources on the net even if you've never heard anybody
sing it before?
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> John Fereira <ja...@cornell.edu> writes:
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>> Joe Fineman <j...@TheWorld.com> wrote in
>> news:wku1bl4...@TheWorld.com:
>
>> > Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of
>> > this thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here, "song"
>> > means "recorded performance of a song".
>>
>> What's the point of reading a thread titled "10 most beautiful folk
>> songs" if it lists songs that one may never be able to hear?
>
> It is possible to hear songs otherwise than thru loudspeakers.
I didn't say it was impossible. That's why I used the word "may".
>
>>> what I found weird about the subject line of this thread was that,
>>> apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means "recorded
>>> performance of a song".
>> What's the point of reading a thread titled "10 most beautiful folk
>> songs" if it lists songs that one may never be able to hear?
>
> Sing it yourself. How difficult is it to work out, say, Brian
> McNeill's "Hush, Hush" from sources on the net even if you've never
> heard anybody sing it before?
Apparently quite a few people here assume everyone can read and perform
music.
Peggy Gordon
She Moves Through The Fair
Banks Of The Ohio
Banks Of The Roses
The Rivers Of Texas (Down By The Brazos)
Singing Bird
Connemara Rose
Star Of The County Down
Deep Settled Peace
Galway Shawl
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
Anybody can sing. The point I was driving at is that you don't need
to read music to figure out a tune any more, at least not for tunes of
traditional origin.
I got the author of that song wrong, it's by Jim MacLean. Anyway, here
is how to figure it out...
First get the lyrics off Dick Gaughan's site, which also says quite a bit
about the song. Dick hasn't recorded it, so you can't get it of one of
his CDs; other people have, though. There may be other sites with the
lyrics, but Dick's site is unusually well thought out and reliable. See
<http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/songs/texts/hushhush.html> It doesn't
need those few Scots words to work as a song, and Dick's glossary tells
you what you could substitute.
Unfortunately Dick doesn't say anything about the tune; he just gives
the staff notation for it (with one note wrong, or at least not the way
I've heard anybody sing it). It's "The Mist Covered Mountains", which
started out as an English song, "Johnny's Too Long at the Fair", and was
given Gaelic words in the 19th century, soon translated back into English
and often sung in both languages (though I'd guess that "Hush, Hush" is
now more popular). There are MANY versions of the tune on the web in
various forms; the easiest way is to go to John Chambers's Tune Finder
at <http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html> and enter "mist
covered" in the search dialog. That gives you the option of getting
the tune back as a MIDI file - I think pretty much any computer capable
of connecting to Usenet can play those. Get several copies (there are
slightly different versions around) and pick one that works for you.
(The choice of tune is ironic, perhaps deliberately: "The Mist Covered
Mountains" is about a homecoming to the Scottish Highlands, while "Hush,
Hush" is about being driven out of them forever).
You can do something like that for most of the traditional-idiom songs
people here have suggested in this thread. It's got to be less hassle
learning to sing something yourself by this route than downloading a
bootleg via Limewire or Kazaa.
>
>>>>> what I found weird about the subject line of this thread was that,
>>>>> apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means "recorded
>>>>> performance of a song".
>>>> What's the point of reading a thread titled "10 most beautiful folk
>>>> songs" if it lists songs that one may never be able to hear?
>>> Sing it yourself. How difficult is it to work out, say, Brian
>>> McNeill's "Hush, Hush" from sources on the net even if you've never
>>> heard anybody sing it before?
>> Apparently quite a few people here assume everyone can read and
>> perform music.
>
> Anybody can sing. The point I was driving at is that you don't need
> to read music to figure out a tune any more, at least not for tunes of
> traditional origin.
The title included the word "beautiful", a subjective term that, to me, I
judge on not only includes lyrics but also the melody. In fact, the melody
probably has more of an impact to me than the lyrics. Anyone literate can
read lyrics, not everyone can read music. Not everyone has the desire to
sing but appreciates music by listening to a talented musician perform it.
Interesting stuff.
>
> You can do something like that for most of the traditional-idiom songs
> people here have suggested in this thread. It's got to be less hassle
> learning to sing something yourself by this route than downloading a
> bootleg via Limewire or Kazaa.
Those are not the only options. I've never used Limewire (never heard of
it actually), Kazaa, or even Napster. When I encounter threads like this
that list songs I may not have heard I'll search on Amazon, CDconnection,
CDUniverse, etc. and hopefully find snippets of the songs available. If I
like what I hear I'll buy the full album. I have also never found midi
format to be satisfying musically.
I don't expect it to be, any more than looking at a score is - think of
it as a new kind of document, musical notation that you can listen to.
It isn't the real thing but a representation of it. So a MIDI of a genre
of music you've never heard for real won't be much help; but you seem to
have heard enough of the real thing to make the leap of imagination it
needs.
It is possible to blur the distinction a bit, by adding rhythmic swing,
dynamics and so on. I deliberately don't do that for the MIDIs on my
site, as I want people to make their own interpretations. For an awful
lot of MIDIs on the web, the first thing you've got to do is mentally
subtract the arrangement; a lot of folkies suddenly turn into Leopold
Stokowski when you put a sequencer in their hands.
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> Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of this
> thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means
> "recorded performance of a song".
I noticed a trend of songs credited to their performers, not to their
writers. (Among those songs *with* known writers, which may or may not
qualify as folk songs to some, anyway...) Case in point: "Urge for
Going," a Tom Rush composition if I'm not mistaken, as sung by Judy
Collins.
Among folksong/artsong performances, I'd vote for just about anything
by Judy Collins. Her rendition of "Suzanne," for example, is beautiful
whereas writer Leonard Cohen's is definitely not beautiful.
Other lovely Judy Collins performances worth noting: Dylan's "Tommorow
is a Long Time" and "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," the Beatles' "In My
Life," and Judy's own setting of the W.B Yeats poem "Lake Isle of
Innisfree" to a traditional melody, retitled "Golden Apples of the
Sun."
I've recently begun investigating old traditional music of Ireland and
England, and started to encounter references to "She Moved Through the
Fair," something previously unknown to me. When I found a site where I
could read the lyrics while listening to a midi, I recognized it as
very similar to a 60s-era "adapted-from-the-traditional" song that I
had found hauntingly beautiful at the time, and the partial memory of
which surfaced quite quickly once prompted. Whatever it may have been
titled, it was an album cut recorded by a female singer, *probably*
Judy C once again.
In any event, while the midi file did not provide a hightened
aesthetic experience, it's obvious that the traditional "She Moved.."
is a truly beautiful song, and I know for sure that the 20th century
adatation is a thing of beauty as well (and perhaps, in sofar as it
differs from the original, perhaps even more beautiful, or at least
more accessible, to modern ears).
And, in an entirely different vein, let me nominate the life's work of
Mississippi John Hurt as the some of the most beautiful vocal
expression ever recorded by a male human being.
> Her rendition of "Suzanne," for example, is beautiful
> whereas writer Leonard Cohen's is definitely not beautiful.
Proof that "beauty is in the ear of the beholder"! I like Cohen's
original, and find Collins version syrupy.
Agreed, I wouldn't use the word 'beautiful' to describe Cohen's
rendition. But I think the *song* (rather than any specific recording)
is beautiful.
While I like Judy collins' voice, I think that this particular song
needs a certain austerity and, to me personally, her cover is a bit on
the sweet side.
I know this thread isn't titled 'My favourite Leonard Cohen covers'
but I used to love Fairport Convention's live version, partly because
of the very distinctive rolling rhythm from their late drummer, Martin
Lamble.
Andy F
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> Glossing over the lack of any actual folk songs in your list (we know
> what you mean even if you don't mean what we know!) and moving
> laterally to music that isn't by people from the 51 states . . . Guinea
> has the most beautiful melodies in Africa, so just about any version
> of "Jarabi", or "Manianba" (Djene Doumbia's for a start) or Jali Musa
> Diawara's "Haidara" which still gives me goose pimples nearly 20
> years after becoming hooked by it.
Depending on the listener's definition of 'beautiful', and following
Ian's broadening-out from the
'post-Dylan-singer/songwriter-with-guitar' notion of folk, I'd
nominate the woderful polyphonic choral tradition of Georgia.
For example, listen to the Anchiskhati choir group from Tblisi, one of
the best-known Georgian ensembles. They include both sacred and
secular music in their repertoire and they help preserve their
country's folk traditions. They sound out of this world too (IMHO)!
They are in the UK at ATM on tour. There are details on the BBC Radio
3 website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/comingup/worldroutesc.shtml
Andy
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>> Never mind "folk": what I found weird about the subject line of this
>> thread was that, apparently to quite a few people here, "song" means
>> "recorded performance of a song".
>
> I noticed a trend of songs credited to their performers, not to their
> writers. (Among those songs *with* known writers, which may or may not
> qualify as folk songs to some, anyway...) Case in point: "Urge for
> Going," a Tom Rush composition if I'm not mistaken, as sung by Judy
> Collins.
You should hear Mary Blacks rendition.
>
> Among folksong/artsong performances, I'd vote for just about anything
> by Judy Collins. Her rendition of "Suzanne," for example, is beautiful
> whereas writer Leonard Cohen's is definitely not beautiful.
There are a few performers like that that seem to be able to take others
compositions and do a more beautiful rendition than the original composer.
Maura O'Connell does that a lot. Her versions of Shawn Colvin's "I Don't
Know Why" and Chery Wheelers "Summerfly" are good examples. She also does a
song called "I would be stronger than that" that I would put on *my* list of
10 most beautiful folk songs. Quite often I've heard songs and thought, I'd
love to hear Maura O'Connell do that.
Actually it's a Joni Mitchell Song
-> >Case in point: "Urge for
-> >> Going," a Tom Rush composition if I'm not mistaken, as sung by Judy
-> >> Collins.
-> >
-> >You should hear Mary Blacks rendition.
->
-> Actually it's a Joni Mitchell Song
Indeed, it is.
Mary Black got the words wrong. The line that goes
"When the sun turns traitor cold,"
she sings as
"When the sun turns straight and cold."
Ouch.
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No Man's Land - Eric Bogle
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Don't you know the definition of folk music by now? It means songs written
in American English since 1960, accompanied by an acoustic guitar. Don't
bring in your irrelevant noises from Africa or anywhere else.
Switching off the heavy irony, I loved your "Unruly". And both "Fair and
Tender Ladies" and "Rambling Boys of Pleasure" must rank high among
beautiful folk songs
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