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EPIPHANY95

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I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to us
all. My are:

1. Sundown- Gordon Lightfoot
2. Mirror Blue- Richard Thompson
3. Mirror and Mask- Loreena McKennit
4. Humans- Bruce Cockburn
5. The Best of Richard Thompson (a 3 cd retro- ok, so I'm cheating!)
John Kelly

mau...@ibm.net

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5 essentials? Pass their titles on

Well, here goes:

1. Between The Breaks--Stan Rogers
2. Wade Ward and Tommy Jarrell--Any One
3. Pete Seeger--Full Live Concert on Folkways
4. Ledbelly--The Library of Congress Recordings
5. Woody Guthrie--Dustbowl Ballads

This is gonna be a fun thread to read...

6. Black Grass--Bad Bascom (This is a real album
--Funk and Bluegrass Fusion in the mid 70's, cool)

Paul J. Stamler

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You ast for it:
1) Anthology of American Folk Music (cheating--this is a 6-LP set,
reissued on Smithsonian-Folkways)
2) Georgia Sea Island Songs (New World)
3) Negro Religious Songs and Services (Library of Congress)
4) Going Down the Valley (New World)
5) Nic Jones: Ballads and Songs (Trailer-out of print)

And I'd probably also want to take:
6) The Rolling Stones: Between the Buttons (London)
7) Vaughan Williams; Symphony #5, cond. by Sir John Barbirolli (EMI)
8) Chuck Berry's Golden Decade (Chess)
9) Clemencic Consort: Ancient Dances of Hungary (Harmonia Mundi)
10) And a talking book edition of "How to Make A Radio Out of a Coconut"
(Thanks Emily for the suggestion).
Peace.
Paul

TNMasters

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My five (with a definitely British/Celtic bias):

1. Dick Gaughan--Handful of Earth (I've listened to it nearly every other
day since it was released).
2. Mr. Fox--Mr. Fox (a long-time favorite. When will it be rereleased?
When will I find a copy of the second album?????)
3. The Watersons--Frost and Fire
4. Shirley Collins--Anthems in Eden (although I'd have the CD version that
has the cuts from side 2 of Amaranth).
5. Waterson--Carthy (just for Norma Waterson's vocals on Midnight on the
Water)

Don Windham

Bob Soron

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In article <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, epiph...@aol.com
(EPIPHANY95) wrote:

> I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
> albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential

> Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to us
> all.

These aren't in order.

1. Butch Hancock -- "Own & Own." I'd take the double LP over the single
CD if possible, since the double LP has two more songs (both of which
would fit very well into the "Outrageous Rhymes" thread).

2. Butch Hancock and Jimmie Dale Gilmore -- "Two Roads: Live in
Australia." Just them (and Paul Kelly on a couple cuts) and their guitars
and songs.

3. Uncle Walt's Band -- "The Girl on the Sunny Shore." I would have done
some things differently on Sugar Hill's reissues of UWB (like including
a couple of their magnificent cover versions of songs like Professor Longhair's
"In the Night") but this one edges the other collection with a few particularly
fine songs.

4. Dave Alvin -- "King of California." Stripped-down versions of many of
his best songs.

5. Terry Allen -- either "Lubbock (on everything)" or "The Silent Majority."
Some really strong work on both. I'd probably take L(oe) unless I was in
a particularly cynical mood.

Bob
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Mangum

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In <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> epiph...@aol.com (EPIPHANY95)
writes:
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>I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting
new
>albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
>Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on
to us
>all.

Five titles are tough to pick, but here's a shot in no particular
order:

Dylan - Highway 61
Steve Goodman - Somebody Else's Troubles
Loudan Wainwright III - Attempted Mustache
John Prine- John Prine Anthology (recent Rhino collection)
Pete Seeger - Best of... (there's about a dozen out there)

Then again, did I misread this and is Desert Island a record label?

Regards,

Terry


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Stewa1

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JOAN BAEZ: RARE LIVE AND CLASSIC, an amazing career retrospective on 3
tapes/CD's would do me fine!!

Marisa Wood

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On 4 Jun 1995, EPIPHANY95 wrote:

> I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
> albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
> Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials?

I have pretty eclectic tastes in music, but if I were to take 5 *folk*
albums with me to a desert island, these would be the ones:

1. Indigo Girls--self-titled album
2. Justina and Joyce--So Strong (but then I don't have Rhythms, Rhymes,
and Tides--yet :) )
3. Cheryl Wheeler--Driving Home
4. Tish Hinojosa--Culture Swing
5. disappear fear--Live at the Bottom Line

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Dennis George Griffin

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To add to the list of those I feel should be part of my desert island
scene I would include:
Sandy Denny's: Sandy
Steel Eye Span: Below the Salt
Fairport Convention: Liege'n Leaf


M.E. Cooper

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JTR1970 (jtr...@aol.com) wrote:
: It'd be mighty difficult to narrow it down to just five albums, but if I
: were forced, here would be my first choices, not only because of their
: North Carolina connections (all of the artists either have lived or are
: living & making music here in the Tarheel state) but because each has been
: fighting for equal time in my CD player these past months.

: 1. Jimmy Landry, "Let Go" (Independent Songwriters Group)
: 2. David Wilcox, "How Did You Find Me Here" (A & M)
: 3. Chuck Brodsky, "A Fingerpainter's Murals" (Waterbug)
: 4. Christine Kane, "This Time Last Year" (Independent Songwriters Group)
: 5. James Taylor, "Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon" (Warner Bros.)

: Best wishes,
: Jimmy Rostar
: JTR...@aol.com

Wheatstraw Suite - The Dillards
Old No. 1 - Guy Clark
Bruised Orange - John Prine
Spinning Around the Sun - Jimmie Dale Gilmore
Bring the Family - John Hiatt

Craig Miller

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Here are my 5:

Mary Black, "By the Time It Gets Dark"
Maura O'Connell, "Just In Time"
Nanci Griffith, "One Fair Summer Evening"
Stan Rogers "Between The Breaks-Live!"
Capercaillie-"Sidewaulk"

Craig Miller
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Sally Greenberg

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EPIPHANY95 (epiph...@aol.com) wrote:
: I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
: albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
: Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to us

Well, I always have trouble with limiting myself to 10, but here's an
attempt to play by the rules (almost :-) ). Many, many *essentials* are
left out though. Also, this list would probably be a bit different a few
months into the past or future.

1. Dougie MacLean - Real Estate. I absolutely could not do without this
one. In the few years I've had it, it's the one that's done the most to
help me keep my sanity :-).

2. Tim Buckley - Goodbye & Hello. This album holds the distinction
of being the album I've owned the longest that still gets played alot.

3. Ferron - Shadows on a Dime. Like Dougie's albums, this one helps
put life back in perspective.

4. Old Blind Dogs - Close to the Bone. The newest one on the list.
I really like the choice of songs on this album (as well as the fact that
Old Blind Dogs are a terrific band). This one makes me feel good :-).

5.Michael McNevin - Secondhand Story. Simply a great album :-) .

6. Dick Gaughan - A Different Kind of Love Song. This album started me on
Celtic music, particularly the strong tradition in song, and introduced me
to a whole host of great singer/songwriters (Tommy Sands, Leon Rosselson,
Peggy Seeger & Ewan MacColl). It reminds me of what attracted me to folk
music in the first place.

7. Tannahill Weavers - Are Ye Sleeping Maggie. Along with Dick Gaughan,
these guys turned me on to Scottish traditional music. I heard them at
the Philly Folk festival some 16 or 17 years ago and have bought every
album since (and replaced them all on CD). This album, along with
"Passage" (is that cheating? :-)), remain amongst my favorites.

That's as close to 5 as I can possibly get :-).

Sally
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The Doctor

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This was easier last time when we got to take 10. As usual I will not include
any anthologies (Gord's Gold).

College Concert The Kingston Trio
The Phoenix Concerts John Stewart
Give Yourself To Love Kate Wolf
King's Record Shop Rosanne Cash
Borderline Ry Cooder
Don Quixote Gordon Lightfoot

That's as close as I could cut it. If any of you come to my island, bring
some Josh White, Stan Rogers, Simon & Garfunkel, Jackson Browne, Phil Ochs,...

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JTR1970

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Michael Daly

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In article <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, epiph...@aol.com says...

>
>I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
>albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
>Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to
>us all.

Mine are (in no particular order):

"Liege & Lief" - Fairport Convention
"The Woman I Loved So Well" - Planxty
"Water of Dreams" - Ralph McTell
"Don Quixote" - Gordon Lightfoot
"Clannad" - Clannad (their first album)

There are many others I would loved to have included & tomorrow I
could well name a different five, including more recent releases.
I forced myself to only nominate one per artist, otherwise Ralph McTell
& Gordon Lightfoot would have cleaned up.


Michael Daly


ralph stuart

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1. The McGarrigles - one of several of their albums
2. Iris Dement - My Life
3. Michele Shocked - any but Captain Swing
4. Arlo and Pete together
5. Melanie's greatest hits - just got it, but it's held up well for three
weeks.

EPIPHANY95

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I hope you are enjoying this as much as I am! Keep it up! Anymore? I am
now thinking that maybe I was too tough as for only 5 albums!
John

David Whiteis

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A Web page that accepts your 5 favorites and returns you more suggestions:
http://www.webcom.com/~se

RickR1

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Only 5, huh?

Well, what I'd probably do is try to strike a bargain with whoever put me
on the island, and see if I could bring 5 cassette tapes instead. That way
I could put one album on each side....so as to be able to bring 10. Here's
what I'd pick:

Tape one...Dream Cafe by Greg Brown
Slow Turning by John Hiatt

Tape two.... Blonde on Blonde by Bob Dylan
(that's a double album, would probably take both sides.)

Tape three....The Honesty Room by Dar Williams
The Tide by Lucy Kaplansky

Tape four...August & Everything After by Counting Crows
New Miserable Experience by Gin Blossoms
(These for when I needed a little Rock n Roll with some
quality to it. Also, the Gin Blossoms would satisfy any craving I got to
hear the Byrds or Tom Petty.)

Tape five...Come on Come On by Mary Chapin Carpenter
Cover Girl by Sean Colvin

Tape six....John Prine's first album
Sweet Revenge by John Prine

Tape seven...Land of the Bottom Line by John Gorka
Home Again by David Wilcox

Tape eight...Big Trouble by Trout Fishing in America (it's a kid's album,
but I'd want this in my collection just in case I met a girl sometime
later drifting onto that island and we ever had kids)
Bathtub Blues by Greg Brown might as well make the
whole tape for kids

Tape nine...Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan
America's Greatest Hits (they were really good!)

Tape ten...Willis Allan Ramsey's only album
New Suit of Clothes by Michael Jerling If you don't
know him, check him out, he's great!


Rick Russell

Michael Miller

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Here are five I would take. Probably have a hundred more that are close.

1: Cheryl Wheeler "Driving Home"
2: David Wilcox "Big Horizon"
3: Shawn Colvin "Fat City"
4: Nanci Griffith "Flyer"
5: James Taylor "Live"

I know I kinda cheated on the JT compilation, but I wouldn't be able
to choose just one from him. JT is the greatest!!!
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Jennifer A. Zogott

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something by Charlie Poole & the North Carolina Ramblers
Art Rosenbaum and Al Murphy
Have Moicy! - Michael Hurley, The Unholy Modal Rounders & Jeffrey
Frederick and the Clamtones
Steve Goodman - Words We Can Dance To
John Prine - Sweet Revenge

This is going by the general definition of "folk" I seem to see around
this group. Don't know, for instance, whether or not Randy Newman or
Jonathan Richman would be considered "folk" (they're singer-songwriters,
just like Prine and Goodman); if so, I'd substitute "Jonathan Sings" and
"Sail Away" for the Goodman and Prine albums.

Yeah, it's hard to pick just five.

Jennifer

"Love's function is to fabricate unknownness." -- e.e. cummings

Paul Barroqueiro

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Great topic!!!

1. Blood on the Tracks - Bob Dylan
2. Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega
3. Where Were You Last Night - Frank Christian
4. In The Dark With You - Greg Brown
5. Blue - Joni Mitchell

..I would like to bring "Life By Misadventure" by Steve Tilston, but I
don't own it and it's out of print. Anyone know where I can find a copy?
Please e-mail, so I'll be prepared in case of marooning <g>!

- Paul B.


Ira . Hessel

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Pleasures of the Harbor Phil Ochs
Songs from a Room L. Cohen
Willis Alan Ramsey
Album 1700 Peter Paul and Mary
Morning Again Tom Paxton
Famous Blue Raincoat Jennifer Warnes
Late Again P, P and M
Any Early Dylan
John Prine's First Album

Tom Miller

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Wow, only five eh?


1 - has to be Harvey Andrews first album - Harvey Andrews
2 - I wrote this wee song - Eric Bogle (though I'd prefer it if
it included `And the band played Waltzing Matilda' - be a
shame to go to a desert island without that song)
3 - The Rigs of the times - the best of Martin Carthy
4 - The Gold Medal collection - Harry Chapin

oh no..... only one left.....

5 - Please to see the King - Steeleye Span

I'd probably cheat and sneak a few extra CD's into the sleeves 8-).

Tom
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Kevin Rolph

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I haven't got a hope of getting this down to 5 *albums*.
Here's my 5 artists/groups: (in no particular order).

Strawhead

Alistair Anderson/Syncopace

Pyewacket (esp "7 to Midnight")

Bothy Band

Filafolket (sp?) (Esp. "Best of" CD - amazing!)

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Mark Brautigam

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awright youse guys, how 'bout these?

Pat Alger - True Love and Other Short Stories

Beatles - Rubber Soul
(The greatest folk album ever, but
Sally won't even listen to it)

Blind Faith - "Can't find my way home" - 'nouf said.

Bruce Cockburn - Stealing Fire
"some sonofabitch would die"

Jane Gillman - Pick It Up

David Olney - Roses

Graham Parker - Live! Alone in America
(the original Mr. bitter anti-everything)

Peter Paul & Mary - In The Wind, for "All My Trials"

Rolling Stones - The Decca Years, Disk 1 of 3
(acoustic white blues, or do you remember?)

Michelle Shocked - Short Sharp Shocked

Simon & Garfunkel - Wednesday Morning 3 AM
(OK, Sally, you were right about this one,
it's the best of the lot)

Sorry I went more than 5, just 'coz I'm a mathematician
don't mean I ken count ...

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Robert G McCausland

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gda...@world.std.com (Jerry Dallal) writes:

>Chris Foster -- All Things in Common

Is this available on CD? Wonderful! Can you supply label/number?

On the sunny side,


~~Rob McCausland

Jerry Dallal

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Robert G McCausland (rg...@world.std.com) wrote:
: gda...@world.std.com (Jerry Dallal) writes:

: >Chris Foster -- All Things in Common

: Is this available on CD? Wonderful! Can you supply label/number?

Gee, not that I know of. Was I required to name CDs? If so, sorry.
A splendid lp, though. I don't think I've ever seen a post about Chris
Foster. He's not a *name* that immediately comes to mind. Yet, "All
Things In Common" has probably been played by me more times than any
other album in my collection. There's not a weak cut and it's 40 minutes
of pure listening pleasure.

Tom Nelligan

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Reading this thread so far, it's occurred to me that if we all get
stranded together we'll have a pretty good library. Here's one more
opinion. This list reflects two arbitrary and self-imposed restrictions:
no compilations, "greatest hits" collections, or boxed sets (otherwise
I'd grab a handful of those), and nothing less than five years old (
because the really good music is the stuff you keep listening to after
years or decades). In reverse chronological order:

Bill Morrissey--Standing Eight [As the boxing term of the title implies,
an album to help you get back up after being knocked senseless.]

Clive Gregson & Christine Collister--Home And Away [Wonderful songs and
harmonies from a British duo who were never well enough known in the
States.]

Claudia Schmidt--Midwestern Heart [My enduring favorite from the early-
1980s singer/songwriter revival.]

Bob Dylan--Blood On The Tracks [I don't think he was ever this good again.
]

Fairport Convention--Liege And Lief. [For me, the beginning of a 25-year
interest in British Isles folk and folk-rock.]

--Tom Nelligan


Jerry Dallal

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Hot Vultures -- Up the Line
Martin Carthy -- Crown of Horn

Chris Foster -- All Things in Common
Nic Jones -- The Noah's Ark Trap
Art Thieme -- On the River

Kerry Dexter

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: In article <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, epiph...@aol.com
: (EPIPHANY95) wrote:

: > I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new


: > albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
: > Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to us
: > all.

and my five picks
Tish Hinojosa either Taos to Tennessee or Aquella Noche
(both on Watermelon Records)
Bonnie Raitt- hard to pick-one of her first four releases, anyway,
which are Bonnie Raitt, Takin' My Time, Give It Up, and Streetlights
(all on Warner)
Emmylou Harris Cowgirl's Prayer(Asylum)
Chris Smither Up on the Lowdown(Hightone)
Rory Block Best Blues and Originals or When a Woman Gets the Blues
(both on Rounder)
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kerry dexter

Alan Peterman

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Well, I'll limit it to 10...and it's driving me crazy all the great
stuff I can't even hint at..

Joan Baez - The First Ten Years
Judy Collins - Judy
Bob Dylan - "Blonde on Blonde" or "Freewheelin"
Joe & Eddie - "There's a Meetin' Here Tonight"
Pentangle - Sweet Child
P,P&M - "A Song Will Rise"
Tom Rush - "Rush"
Simon & Garfunkel - "The Concert in Central Park"
James Taylor - "That's Why I'm Here"
Doc Watson - "The Essential Doc Watson"

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Robert M Ettinger

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Rosanne Cash - The Wheel
Mary Chapin Carpenter - Shooting Straight in the Dark
Marti Jones - Match Game
Shawn Colvin - Fat City
Lucy Kaplansky - The Tide

Terri Asher

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I'm a friend of Terri's & I have taken over her
computer! My big five fave pix:
1. "Home by Morning" by Paul Edward Sanchez. The best
album in a long, long time.
2. "Tumble of the Dice" by Barry Dow.
3. "Landscapes" by Joyce Woodson.
4. "Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd. I've never
heard it, but 15,000,000 buyers can't be wrong.
5. "Hired Hand" by Paul Sanchez.
Also...look for the Acousticats, Tom Ball and Kenny
Sultan, Heidi Muller, Bernice Lewis, and the Billys.
Disregard number 4, too.

Robert G McCausland

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Thanks for the question. I'd like to answer this a la Letterman's Top
Ten. I think it cheats the question not to list the *top* five, but it's
a waste of bandwidth not to take the time to say what we'd choose if the
life jacket had *another* pocket. One thing this formulation leads me to
ask is: if you could take only *one* ...?

10. Joni Mitchell, "Hejira" (1976)
9. Robin and Linda Williams, "All Broken Hearts are the Same" (1989)
8. Richard and Mimi Farina, "The Best of Richard and Mimi Farina" (1971)
7. Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, "Will the Circle Be Unbroken, Vol. 2" (1989)
6. Frankie Gavin, Arty McGlynn, Aidan Coffey, "Irelande" (1994).
(Until this record was released, this spot would have gone to The
Bothy Band's "After Hours." If the first Moving Hearts album were
readily available, I'd have to consider it here, but it's been too
long since I've heard it to say.)
_____________________________________________________________________________

5. Dan Ar Bras, "Acoustic" (1985).

4. Leo Kretzner, "Pig Town Fling" (1979) (haven't seen this on CD yet)

3. The King's Noyse, "The King's Delight: 17 c. ballads for voice and
violin band" (1994).

2. Jez Lowe, "The Old Durham Road" (1985?) (also haven't seen this on
CD; my album has long since been lost in the loan-zone).

1. Rodney Miller, "Airplang" (1984). For those of you who don't know
this, it's an amazing instrumental album in the New England
contra-dance style, with Rodney on fiddle, Russ Barenberg on guitar,
Peter Barnes on piano, Molly Mason on bass, and Tim Jackson on
drums. Rounder Cassette C-0193 -- and I haven't seen *it* on CD
yet, either!)

(Until this came out, my number one choice would have been
"Thunderhead," by Malcolm Dahlglish and Grey Larsen, 1982. Most
Honorable Mention goes to this work, which is the first of its kind
which intrigued me, entreating me away from lyrics and towards celtic
et al rhythms and melodies.)


Will accept substitutions from any: Swallowtail, Outback, Brave Combo, or
3 Mustaphas 3, or anything with some combination of Jerry Douglas/Russ
Barenberg/Edgar Myer/Bela Fleck/Sam Bush/Mark O'Connor. Also, If "Hejira"
not in stock, please substitute Michelle Shocked's "Arkansas Traveler."

I would probably want to include some Home Service (is there a "The
Mysteries"?) and Swan Arcade, but I've never seen any in *any* media (I
only know them via the radio). But -- as another poster said -- such a
list is different now than a few months ago or a few months hence. Time
and tides... who knows what the morrow will wash up on our shores?
(Especially if lists and discussions such as this get around to the labels
and the distributors! HINT HINT!)


On the sunny side,

~~Rob McCausland
rg...@world.std.com


Ton Maas

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Mine would be:

1. "Dream Letter" by Tim Buckley
2. "Marc Cohn" by same
3. "Skip, Hop & Wobble" by Russ Barenberg, Jerry Douglas & Edgar Meyer
4. "The Hunter" by Jennifer Warnes
5. "Madar" by Anouar Brahem, Jan Garbarek and Shaukat Hussain

Ton Maas, Amsterdam NL

Jonathan Forward

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In article <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> epiph...@aol.com (EPIPHANY95) writes:
>From: epiph...@aol.com (EPIPHANY95)
>Subject: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?
>Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:07:10 -0400

>I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting new
>albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5 essential
>Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their titles on to us
>all.

Five suitcases of Steeleye Span albums!


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Paul Murphy

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Facing the fact that choosing only five albums would be impossible,
and since the precedent has already been set previously, I'll have
to wimp out too and pick ten. Here are mine, though there's another
ten left reluctantly behind:

In no particular order -

Ry Cooder: "Into The Purple Valley"
Jorma Kaukonen: "Quah"
Nick Drake: "Five Leaves Left"
Mary McCaslin: "Prarie In The Sky"
Tom Rush: "Tom Rush" (1st Elektra album by this name)
Geoff & Maria Muldaur: "Sweet Potatoes"
Suzanne Vega: "Suzanne Vega"
Fairport Convention: "Liege & Lief"
Pentangle: "Sweet Child"
Bob Dylan: any album from #1 to "John Wesley Harding"

I'm tempted to name an alternate ten, but I've already broken the
rules as is. So let's just leave it at these...

Paul
pm...@ix.netcom.com


Brian Sterenberg

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In no order
Richard Thompson "Mirror Blue"
Ferron "Shadows on a Dime"
Michelle Shocked "Short Sharp Shocked"
Rory McLeod "Travelling Home"
Bill Bourne and Shannon Johnson "Dear Madonna"

Do I get five rock, five classical, five jazz, five blues and five
Leonard Cohen (he a genre to himself) to go with those?

Michael Daly

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In article <3r8d74$2...@news4.primenet.com>, fo...@primenet.com says...

>
> 4. "Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd. I've never
>heard it, but 15,000,000 buyers can't be wrong.

You've *never* heard 'Dark Side of the Moon'?

As one of the 15 million, I'm staggered!

You could buy "Pulse" & catch the live version. Not folk, yet.....


Michael Daly


Bob Soron

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In article <3re5l2$9...@status.gen.nz>, mike...@iconz.co.nz (Michael Daly)
wrote:

> In article <3r8d74$2...@news4.primenet.com>, fo...@primenet.com says...
> >
> > 4. "Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd. I've never
> >heard it, but 15,000,000 buyers can't be wrong.
>
> You've *never* heard 'Dark Side of the Moon'?
>
> As one of the 15 million, I'm staggered!

I'm apparently the other person who's never heard it. Though I *have*
heard the Austin Lounge Lizards' version of "Brain Damage."

Bob
bobs...@world.std.com
"It's getting harder and harder to act weird" -- Bill Griffith via Zippy


SUPE...@delphi.com

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Hi Jeff!

My choice:

Unhalfbricking-Fairport Convention

Wildflowers-Judy Collins

The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter-Incredible String Band

Hark! The Village Wait-Steeleye Span

Solomon's Seal-Pentangle.

Cheers for now,

Simon.

Bev Herzog

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I can only get it down to five if some of you, including Alan, are on the
island with me.

In message 9 Jun 1995 01:34:28 -0700,


a...@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
> Joan Baez - The First Ten Years
> Judy Collins - Judy

> P,P&M - "A Song Will Rise"

> Simon & Garfunkel - "The Concert in Central Park"
> James Taylor - "That's Why I'm Here"

I'd need these, or alternatives by these singers which have been mentioned
by others. I'm also leaving our Stan Rogers, only because others are
bringing him. So I'm trying for 5 no one else has included yet, while
following someone's suggestion of all must be older than 5 years and no
"greatest hits."

Judy Small - Home Front
Fred Small - Everything Possible (CD name, not his whole collection)
John McCutcheon - Water From Another Time
Bill Staines - Bridges
Holly Near and Ronnie Gilbert - Lifeline

Bev

jvan...@jvandern.neosoft.com

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In article <3r912k$2...@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, <a...@qiclab.scn.rain.com> writes:
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> From: a...@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
> Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
> Subject: Re: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?
> Date: 9 Jun 1995 01:34:28 -0700
> Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
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>
> Well, I'll limit it to 10...and it's driving me crazy all the great
> stuff I can't even hint at..
>
> Joan Baez - The First Ten Years
> Judy Collins - Judy
> Bob Dylan - "Blonde on Blonde" or "Freewheelin"
> Joe & Eddie - "There's a Meetin' Here Tonight"
> Pentangle - Sweet Child
> P,P&M - "A Song Will Rise"
> Tom Rush - "Rush"

> Simon & Garfunkel - "The Concert in Central Park"
> James Taylor - "That's Why I'm Here"
> Doc Watson - "The Essential Doc Watson"

I couldn't be without:

Pentangle - Reflection
John Renbourn - The Black Balloon
Joan Baez - Farewell Angelina

I like the Dylan, PPM, S&G choices and would probably want to add:
Judy Collins - Wildflowers
Joni Mitchell - Clouds & Blue

Gee... I guess that's more than 5...

But how about:

Leonard Cohen (1st)
Best of Lightfoot (1st)

Oh, well, guess I'll just have to take them all!

Jim Vander Noot


Charlotte O'Hare

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John Denver Poems, Prayers & Promises
Spirit

My tape of various folk songs by different singers

North Sea Gas The mix tape I made of their songs

Motherload Any of their albums

Morgan Conrad

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Jun 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/13/95
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Only 5? That's tough. Fortunately, all you other people will
be bringing Liege and Lief, so I can skip that one. I'll bring:

5. Silly Sisters, No More to the Dance
4. A Woman's Heart (various artists)
3. Mary Chapin Carpenter, State of the Heart
2. 10,000 Maniacs, The Wishing Chair
1. Joni Mitchell, Blue


Morgan Conrad Who grants absolution
Applied Biosystems for sins that never were committed?
m...@apldbio.com
415-570-6667

MatDonovan

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Jun 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/14/95
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Emmm... my picks are:

1. Joni Mitchell - Ladies of the Canyon
2. David Wilcox - How Did You Find Me Here?
3. Jane Byaela - Burning Silver
4. Martin Simpson - When I was on Horseback -(an instrumental)
5. Phil Keaggy - Way Back Home

All great albums. Of course, those are the top 5 albums I would take this
week. I might answer differently next week.

Cheers -Matt

Michael Daly

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In article <JForward.1...@SITGBSD1.telecom.com.au>,
JFor...@SITGBSD1.telecom.com.au says...

>
>In article <3qtscu$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> epiph...@aol.com
(EPIPHANY95) writes:
>>From: epiph...@aol.com (EPIPHANY95)
>>Subject: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?
>>Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:07:10 -0400
>
>>I am always looking for more music! So, with an interest in getting
>>new albums to hunt for, let me ask you all this- what are the 5
>>essential Desert Island folk albums IMHO? 5 essentials? Pass their
>>titles on to us all.
>
> Five suitcases of Steeleye Span albums!
>

Better hope this is a large desert island!

One wee problem, what will we play them on? Assuming that this desert
island doesn't have power laid on.

I know people could bring their Walkman CD players, but what about
when the batteries go? They don't make wind-up walkmans, do they?

Michael Daly


Corrado Gioannini

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John Renbourn: The nine maidens
The men they couldn't hang: the second album (forgive my memory! The one with
Ghosts of Cable street)
Dubliners: Celebration
Paul Roland: A cabinet of curiosities
Bob Marley: Legend (can't miss on a desert island!)

Mark Bluemel

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Michael Daly (mike...@iconz.co.nz) wrote:
: In article <3r8d74$2...@news4.primenet.com>, fo...@primenet.com says...
: >
: > 4. "Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd. I've never
: >heard it, but 15,000,000 buyers can't be wrong.

: You've *never* heard 'Dark Side of the Moon'?

: As one of the 15 million, I'm staggered!

: You could buy "Pulse" & catch the live version. Not folk, yet.....
^ which is, as far as can be detected
identical to the studio version... This seems to somewhat undermine the idea
of a "live" album.

Sorry to be so far off topic, so to make up :-

Here's 5 off the top of my head (reasonably folky)

1. Oysterband and June Tabor "Freedom & Rain"
The combination of June's voice and the Oyster's rythmic firepower
is wonderful

2. Nic Jones "The Noah's Ark Trap"
IMHO this is better than the famous "Penguin Eggs" and reflects
Nic at the height of his powers

3. Martin Carthy <forgot the name>
The one with "La Cardeuse" and "Dominion of the Sword"

4. Fairport Convention "Leige and Leif"
A must !

5. Richard Thompson "Daring Adventures"
Only vaguely folky, but a fairly definitive statement of what
Thompson's about.


--
Mark Bluemel Unix/Oracle Trainer and Consultant
My opinions are my own, but I'll share them
All solutions to problems are offered "as is"
and without warranty - you have been warned :-)

Todd314

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Here are my 5 top folk CD's:

The Johnson Mountain Boys "At the Old Schoolhouse" Rounder CD 0260/1

Dolores Keane & John Faulkner "Broken Hearted I'll Wander" Green Linnet CD
3004

Dick Gaughan "No More Forever" Leader CD 2072

Eddie LeJeune "Cajun Soul" Rounder CD 6013

Hank Williams "Rare Demo's-First to Last" Country Music Foundation CD 067

Are CD's allowed? All of the above were originally available on album
(although Hank's demos were originally released on 2 separate albums). It
would be hard to go without any blues, but it is a choice I would have to
make. If we could go to 6 I guess I would take something by Blind Willie
Johnson or Son House (or one of the fine anthologies out there).

For speculation purposes, I like a limit of 5 because that makes for an
easier
decision than if we could take 10. It would be hard to go without any
Blue Sky Boys, Stanley Brothers, Bill Monroe, or Red Allen: but I think
The Johnson
Mountain Boys recorded live captures the essence of old time/bluegrass
music.
JMB's "Live at the Birchmere" is wonderful too, but "At the Old
Schoolhouse"
(originally a double album) is a little tighter, contains more classic
songs, and includes JMB's Dudley Connell's great song "Weathered Gray
Stone".

I couldn't go without Dolores Keane & John Faulkner, and this is easily
their best work. Plenty of mournful numbers here to cheer me up. The
Dick Gaughan choice is iffy in that I could do without half of the disc,
but there are at least 4 gems here, including "MacCrimmon's
Lament/Mistress Jamieson's Favourite", the most haunting and beautiful
number I can remember hearing.

Eddie LeJeune is one of most powerful and emotional vocalists I have
heard, and he plays a mean accordion. This release features fine, squeaky
fiddle playing by Ken Smith and outstanding rhythm guitar work by D.L.
Menard. Plus this CD has several classic Cajun songs, although all the
songs here are good.

I'll never tire of Hank and his many great songs. Hank’s demos feature
just him and his guitar, so I think that they meet the criteria of folk
music. But this 24 track CD isn’t as comprehensive as the title suggests.
Both “Alone and Forsaken” and “Weary Blues from Waiting” are not here.
Are box sets okay? If so, the only change I would make would be to take
Polydor's 3 CD box set “The Original Singles Collection Plus” instead of
the Country Music Foundation release (Disc 3 of the box set includes the
above 2 songs in demo form plus about 8 other demos not on the Country
Music Foundation CD).

If you have any comments or inquires, please e-mail me at my other
address: ta...@pge.com

Todd A. Gracyk
Petaluma, CA

Jak999

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Jun 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/17/95
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Actually, as someone stated, there wouldn't be anything to *play* the
albums on, so instead, I thought I'd bring my five favorite folk
artists...
Eric Andersen, Bob Dylan, Arlo Guthrie, Pete Seeger and Cliff Eberhart.
Ready guys? Don't forget your guitars.

Nick Forro

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Jun 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/17/95
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My top 10 folk Albums:

1- Greatest Hits... - Bob Dylan
2- Ashes and Diamonds- June Tabor
3- Victim of Geography- Billy Bragg
4- Angry Love- Rory McLoed
5- Short Sharp Shocked- Michelle Schocked
6- Step Ouside- Oyster Band
7- I Ain't A' Marchin Anymore- Phil Ochs
8- The Collection- Christy Moore
9- Rum, Sodomy and the Lash- The Pogues
10- The Collection- Martin Simpson

By the way, what has happened to Billy Bragg?

--
Nick Forro


MLaudeman

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1. Bruce Cockburn - Sun, Salt & Time (a toss-up with about 4 other of his
pre-1980 albums.

2. John McCutcheon - Live at Wolf-Trap

3. Stan Rogers - Fresh from Water

4. James Keeleghan - My Skies

5. Bill Staines - Rodeo Rose

Craig Cockburn

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Jun 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/19/95
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I know this is more than 5, but I an getting a fair sized collection
and picking 5 would be next to impossible, so thought this might be a
good chance to share some of my current favourites:

Runrig - Highland Connection (2nd choice: Recovery)
Ceolbeg - An Unfair Dance
Mac-talla - Maraidh gaol is ceol
Art Cormack - Ruith na Gaoith
Capercaillie - Cascade (2nd choice: Sidewaulk or Crosswinds or
The Blood is Strong)
Ishbel MacAsgaill - Sioda
Poozies - Chantoozies
Dick Gaughan - Handful of Earth
Janet Russell and Christine Kydd - Dancin' Chantin'
Silly Wizard - Kiss the tears away
Cathy Anne MacPhee - Mairi Mhor nan Orain
Sileas - Harpbreakers
Eilidh MacKenzie - Eideadh na Sgeulachd
Caileagan Mhabu - Duanag do Mhabu
Keltoi - Drunk with Autumn
Mairi Sine Lamond - Bho thir nan craobh
Rita and Mary Rankin - Lantern Burn
Jock Tamson's Bairns - Jock Tamson's Bairns
Voice House - Live at the Assembly Rooms (not commercially available yet)
Clan Alba - Clan Alba ( " " " " )
Bringing it all back Home - Various artists
The Cast - The Winnowing
Wolfstone - Unleashed or The Chase
Waulking songs from Harris - Published by Harris tweed association
Gaelic minstrels and bards - William Matheson
Flora MacNeil - Craobh nan Ubhal
Probably anything by na h-Oganaich if I can get my hands on it, and perhaps
anything by the Etives (the forerunner of Capercaillie)

--
Craig Cockburn (pronounced "coburn"), Edinburgh, Scotland
Sgri\obh thugam 'sa Gha\idhlig ma 'se do thoil e.

SUPE...@delphi.com

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Hi Tom!

Yes,5 ain't enough.

I was torn between "Please to see the King"and the first album,but plumped for "Hark..."

Please note I can't get any messages from here that aren't at least a week old.

Cheers for now,

Simon.

Craig Cockburn

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> In article <3rmhsi$6...@status.gen.nz> mike...@iconz.co.nz (Michael Daly)
> writes:
> >From: mike...@iconz.co.nz (Michael Daly)
> >Subject: Re: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?
> >Date: 14 Jun 1995 11:41:06 GMT

>
> >One wee problem, what will we play them on? Assuming that this desert
> >island doesn't have power laid on.
>

Solar powered CD player

Steve Thomas

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Jun 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/20/95
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Gotta add:

Carl Sandburg: Flatrock ballads
(heard it about 1000 times)

SFThomas (ottawa, canada)
steve....@bbs.synapse.net

Jonathan Forward

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In article <3rmhsi$6...@status.gen.nz> mike...@iconz.co.nz (Michael Daly) writes:
>From: mike...@iconz.co.nz (Michael Daly)
>Subject: Re: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?
>Date: 14 Jun 1995 11:41:06 GMT

>One wee problem, what will we play them on? Assuming that this desert
>island doesn't have power laid on.

>I know people could bring their Walkman CD players, but what about


>when the batteries go? They don't make wind-up walkmans, do they?

>Michael Daly

All albums will have to be on vinyl and we'll take a wind-up gramophone.

Peter Paquet

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Jun 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/21/95
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Just went through my collection - only got to the M's and already have over 5.

Belafonte at Carnegie Hall
Clancey Brothers& Tommy Makem - in person at Carnegie Hall
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
Bob Dylan - Desire
Ramblin' Jack Elliot - Ramblin' Jack Elliot (prestige)
Bob Gibson - Where I'm Bound
Greenbriar Boys - Ragged but right
Ian & Sylvia - Play one more
Kingston Trio - here we go again

Bev Herzog

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In message 27 Jun 1995 00:01:25 GMT,
Jan Marra <jan....@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> writes:

> A-ha! Your point on batteries, etc., is well taken. Perhaps the
> question should be (after all, this is about folk music, which
> was--long, long time ago--passed from mouth to ear with no
> middle-machines), what folk songs would you commit to memory
> and entertain yourself with on a desert island?

I think most of us aleady have committed more than 5 or 10 to memory -
there's really not much of a limit here. It could be fun to ask what 5 (or
10) folk singers (or groups) would you bring. Since it's all fantasy, you
can resurrect the dead.

Today I'd take (although I'd have to hope for a short stay because I'd
hate to deprive the world of these people):
Peter, Paul and Mary
Schooner Fare
Stan Rogers
Judy Collins
Holly Near
Ann Reed
Chad Mitchel Trio
Fred Small
Judy Small
4 Bitchin' Babes

Jan Marra

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Jun 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/27/95
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A-ha! Your point on batteries, etc., is well taken. Perhaps the
question should be (after all, this is about folk music, which
was--long, long time ago--passed from mouth to ear with no
middle-machines), what folk songs would you commit to memory
and entertain yourself with on a desert island? Or, considering
that we may run out of fossil fuel (no!), what songs would you
want to commit to memory a la Fahrenheit 451's book people?

Jan Marra

Sab1194728

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Jun 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/28/95
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From: Steven Burdick, Stevensville, MI, USA
My Top Five Desert Island Picks
1. David Wilcox, How did you find me here?
2. Steve Goodman, Say it in private
3. Tony Bird, Sorry Africa
4. Jonathon Edwards, One day closer
5. Martin Simpson, A closer walk with the

C.E. Jones

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Jun 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/30/95
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>Subject: Re: 5 Folk albums for a desert island?

Here as my selection :-

1 Oysterband Holy Bandits
2 The Albion Band Captured
3 Isaac Guillory Live
4 Altan Harvest Storm
5 Wolfstone II

Cheers

Chris Jones

Jean James

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Bev Herzog (her...@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: In message 27 Jun 1995 00:01:25 GMT,

: I think most of us aleady have committed more than 5 or 10 to memory -


: there's really not much of a limit here. It could be fun to ask what 5 (or
: 10) folk singers (or groups) would you bring. Since it's all fantasy, you
: can resurrect the dead.

: Today I'd take (although I'd have to hope for a short stay because I'd
: hate to deprive the world of these people):
: Peter, Paul and Mary
: Schooner Fare
: Stan Rogers
: Judy Collins
: Holly Near
: Ann Reed
: Chad Mitchel Trio
: Fred Small
: Judy Small
: 4 Bitchin' Babes

Ok, I'll play!
1-Peter, Paul & Mary
2-Richie Havens (ok so he's not totally folk)
3-Bill Staines
4-Lucy Kaplanski
5-Greg Brown
6-Woody Guthrie


--
Jean James

*** You can lead a horse to water, but _I'D_ rather have a beer ***

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