Eric Bogle/And The Band Played Waltzing Mathilda
NLutzow
such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
--Nancy
Olin Murrell
I'm sorry, but I don't know the publisher. It could be an Australian
company, but I'm not sure.
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Austin, TX
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Michael Croft
> Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
> such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
> they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
> Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
> traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
> including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
> etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
> --Nancy
He is, and if I were at work I could give you the album it is from.
According to The Pogues _Rum_Sodomy_and_the_Lash_, it is published by
Island Music Ltd./Roberton Brown Assocs. As he wrote this when he was an
Australian, that may explain why ASCAP/BMI don't have it. check whoever
is the society for Australia.
G'luck!
Michael
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Cat Eldridge
>Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
>such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
>they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
>Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
>traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
>including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
>etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
national songwriting contest in Brisbane. (It placed third.) The liner
notes from his album Scraps of Paper says he was moved to right it after
"watching a parade of frail, elderly veterans of the ill-advised and bloody
Gallipoli campaign of 1915". One of my favorite versions of this song is
the one the Pogues do.
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Andy Seagroatt
(in the early 80s I think) and was the highlight of her performance.
I have always been of the opinion that it was June Tabor's singing of
it that brought the song and Eric Bogle to peoples' attention. But
that might only have been because I heard her sing it first and she
sang it so well.
Andy Seagroatt, Newcastle Upon Tyne, England
"Frankly scallop, I don't give a clam ... Rhett Lobster"
Russell Kay
>>Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
>>such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
>>they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda.
And Olin Murrell replied:
>Yes, "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is an Eric Bogle composition.
>I'm sorry, but I don't know the publisher. It could be an Australian
>company, but I'm not sure.
>
I believe Larrikin Music (yes, in Australia) is the name of Bogle's
publisher. I have a recording (on Rounder) by guitarist Orrin Starr that
includes a lovely medley of Waltzing Matilda and Rivers of Babylon. The LP
jacket credits Eric Bogle with having written the original Waltzing
Matilda! I once asked Orrin about this, and he wasn't aware of that
attribution.
But I was quite surprised to see in Rise Up Singing that the "traditional"
Waltzing Matilda is in fact copyrighted -- in the 1930s, as I recall (don't
have the book with me). Does anyone know if there really was a traditional
song of that name/tune?
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William Wagman
their Rum, Sodomy and The Lash Album. To add to this I think that is one
of the three most powerful anti-war songs I've heard, the other two
having been written by Eric Bogle also. Look for The Green Fields of
France (it also goes by another title which escapes me now) which has
been covered very powerfully by The Men They Couldn't Hang. His third
great song is My Youngest Son Came Home Today powerfully covered by Billy
Bragg on his album The Internationale.
Andy Seagroatt (an...@a-seag.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Nobody's mentioned June Tabor! I heard her singing this in a folk club
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Michael Croft
> But I was quite surprised to see in Rise Up Singing that the "traditional"
> Waltzing Matilda is in fact copyrighted -- in the 1930s, as I recall (don't
> have the book with me). Does anyone know if there really was a traditional
> song of that name/tune?
Interesting, I know it was a WWI recruiting song in Australia sung to a
different tune (now generally refered to as the "Queensland Version") and
that the current tune was once sung with a song call "The Rochester
Recruiting Sargeant" I got that last bit of info from this group some
time ago, but I deleted the message in the interests of space...
Michael Croft
Cat Eldridge
>But I was quite surprised to see in Rise Up Singing that the "traditional"
>Waltzing Matilda is in fact copyrighted -- in the 1930s, as I recall
(don't
>have the book with me). Does anyone know if there really was a traditional
>song of that name/tune?
Yes, there is. Here is the version in Digital Tradition ( they call it a
Nineteenth century Australian bush song and credit it to Banjo Peterson)
WALTZING MATILDA
Once a jolly swagman sat beside the billabong,
Under the shade of a coulibah tree,
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me
Waltzing matilda, waltzing matilda
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me
And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
You'll come a waltzing matilda with me.
Down came a jumbuck to drink beside the billabong
Up jumped the swagman and seized him with glee
And he sang as he tucked jumbuck in his tuckerbag
Down came the stockman, riding on his thoroughbred,
Down came the troopers, one, two, three.
"Where's the jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?
Up jumped the swagman and plunged into the billabong,
"You'll never catch me alive," cried he
And his ghost may be heard as you ride beside the billabong,
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Peter Wright
Kae...@starbase.neosoft.com "Michael Croft" writes:
*
* Interesting, I know it was a WWI recruiting song in Australia sung to a
* different tune (now generally refered to as the "Queensland Version") and
* that the current tune was once sung with a song call "The Rochester
* Recruiting Sargeant" I got that last bit of info from this group some
* time ago, but I deleted the message in the interests of space...
*
I remember hearing the Recruiting Sargeant version. I am strongly
inclined to believe that this is the original song to the tune to
which 'Waltzing Matilda' is sung, because:
1) It appeared from the context to be about 200 years old;
2) The words seemed to fit the rhythm much more neatly than the
words of Waltzing Matilda do:
"...marching down through Rochester" fits the 2nd half-line better than
"...ca-amped by a billabong".
Does anyone have the words of 'The Rochester Recruiting Sargeant"?
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Tom Morgan
song can be passed on through a purely oral medium even in this
techno age. Eric B. wrote the song and began singing it in Australia.
Within six months, it was being sung in Folk Clubs in the UK - but
no-one had ever recorded it.
Michael Daly
says...
>
>My personal favorite rendition of this is by the Pogues, I think it's on
>their Rum, Sodomy and The Lash Album. To add to this I think that is one
>of the three most powerful anti-war songs I've heard, the other two
>having been written by Eric Bogle also. Look for The Green Fields of
>France (it also goes by another title which escapes me now) which has
>been covered very powerfully by The Men They Couldn't Hang. His third
>great song is My Youngest Son Came Home Today powerfully covered by
Billy
>Bragg on his album The Internationale.
>
Try a 4th Eric Bogle anti-war song, "All The Fine Young Men".
That 'other title' you're looking for is "No Man's Land", the writer's
original title. The Furey's also did a decent version of this.
Michael Daly
Auckland,New Zealand
mar...@delphi.com
Also my "Eric Bogle Song Book" says it's published by
Larrikin Music. Exclusive US distributers :
Music Sales Corporation
24 East 22nd Street
New York, NY 10010
Hope it helps.
Mary
Kelsey Thornton
In article <3q5p1c$r...@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com>, Cat Eldridge (c...@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
>
>Yes, there is. Here is the version in Digital Tradition ( they call it a
>Nineteenth century Australian bush song and credit it to Banjo Peterson)
>
>WALTZING MATILDA
>
>Once a jolly swagman sat beside the billabong,
>Under the shade of a coulibah tree,
> etc...
If anyone's interested, I recall an anglicised version of this number.
WALKING THE BULLDOG.
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Once a jolly vagabond camped by a lily-pond
Under the shade of the old oak tree
And he sang as he watched as he waited till his kettle boiled
"You'll come a-walking the bulldog with me"
Down came a hedgehog to drink at that lily-pond
Up jumped the vagabond and grabbed him with glee
And he sang as he pushed that hedgehog in his picnic hamper
"You'll come a-walking the bulldog with me"
Up came the constable, mounted on his bicycle
Two on the handlebars, and that makes three
"Where's that jolly hedgehog you've got in your picnic hamper?"
"You'll come a-walking the bulldog with me"
Up jumped the vagabond, and sprang into that lily-pond
"You'll never take me alive!" said he.
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that lily-pond ...
Doing the breast-stroke one, two, three!
:)
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STEPHEN LEPP
: Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
: such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
: Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
: traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
: including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
: etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
The song is by Eric Bogle, on his albums it just says published by
Larrikan Music (Australia). I've the sheet music for this song
somewhere but I think it is at home, I'll check and see if they have
any more info.
--Stephen
John O'Neil
> Date: 24 MAY 1995 23:37:52 GMT
> From: Olin Murrell <ol...@bga.com>
> Newgroups: rec.music.folk
> Subject: Re: Eric Bogle/And The Band Played Waltzing Mathilda
>
> nlu...@aol.com (NLutzow) wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
> >such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
> >they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
> >Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
> >traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
> >including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
> >etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
> Yes, "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is an Eric Bogle composition.
> I'm sorry, but I don't know the publisher. It could be an Australian
> company, but I'm not sure.
>
> --
> Olin Murrell
> Austin, TX
> ol...@bga.com
>
>
>
>
You can find The Band Played Walzing Matilda in:
The Songs of Eric Bogle
Ossian Publications
21 Iona Green
Cork, Ireland
under license of Larrikin Music for U.K.
(Sorry no date listed in the book)
Roger Gawley
On 27 May 1995, Peter Wright wrote:
> I remember hearing the Recruiting Sargeant version. I am strongly
> inclined to believe that this is the original song to the tune to
> which 'Waltzing Matilda' is sung, because:
> 1) It appeared from the context to be about 200 years old;
> 2) The words seemed to fit the rhythm much more neatly than the
> words of Waltzing Matilda do:
> "...marching down through Rochester" fits the 2nd half-line better than
> "...ca-amped by a billabong".
>
> Does anyone have the words of 'The Rochester Recruiting Sargeant"?
I have a song called, "The Gay Fusilier", that used to adorn my wall,
Digital Tradition has, "Marching through Rochester", first line, "A bold
fusilier came marching back through Rochester". (That will be Rochester,
Kent, England in case it is not obvious.) The rest of it is at:
http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/digitrad/song%DCOMBSOL2
Some of the words are different but these are the same songs. I venture
no opinion as to what may be more original but these words do fit the
tune of, "Waltzing Matilda", pretty well.
Walter Nelson
: > Does anyone have the words of 'The Rochester Recruiting Sargeant"?
A bold recruiting sergeant came marching down to Rochester
Returned from the wars in the Low Country
And he sang as he marched through the crowded streets of Rochester
Who'll be a soldier for Marlborough and me?
Who'll be a soldier, who'll be a soldier,
Who'll be a soldier for Marlborogh and me?
He sang as he marched through the crowded streets of Rochester,
Who'll be a soldier for Marlborough and me?
The Queen she has ordered, new soldiers for the continent
To fight in her wars in the Low Country.
If you would be a rover, all in a scarlet uniform
Take the Queen's Shilling for Marlborough and me,
Take the Queens's Shilling etc.
Not I said the Butcher, not I said the Baker,
Most of the rest, they would not agree,
To be paid with the powder and the rattle of the cannon ball
Wages for soldiers for Marlborough and thee,
Wages for for soldiers etc.
I said the young man, have long endured the Parish dues,
No more charity for the likes of me,
Starvation and danger, that shall be my destiny,
I'll be a soldier for Marlborough and thee.
I'll be a soldier etc.
Twenty new recruits came marching down to Rochester,
Off to the wars in the Low Country.
And they sang as they marched through the crowded streets of Rochester
Who'll me a soldier for Marlborough and me?
Who'll be a soldier etc.
Cheers,
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WaltzPrint
"Come Be a Soldier for Marlborough and Me" (which, I'm told, was
originally titled "The Bold Fusilier"). This is significant, because
the Marlborough referred to is the Duke of Marlborough who led the
English in the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1713). Thus
this song predates "Waltzing Matilda" by almost two centuries.
There can be no doubt that this tune, or one of its descendants,
was used by Banjo Paterson for "Waltzing Matilda."
The only question is, did a DIFFERENT version of "Waltzing Matilda"
exist before Paterson came along? John Meredith found a version
in Queensland, with slightly different words and a different
tune, which was reported as sung in the 1880s.
Bob Waltz
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khm_...@mec.ohio.gov
>
> The Songs of Eric Bogle
> Ossian Publications
> 21 Iona Green
> Cork, Ireland
> under license of Larrikin Music for U.K.
> (Sorry no date listed in the book)
Now can you tell us which tapes/cds contain "And the Band Played Waltzing
Matilda"? Thanks
Pam Raver
Cat Eldridge
>Now can you tell us which tapes/cds contain "And the Band Played Waltzing
>Matilda"? Thanks
Waltzing Matilda" on it. There may be other Bogle albums that have this
song.
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Cat Eldridge, Booking Manager, Portland (Maine) Folk Club:
now booking for Fall 1995 and Spring 1996
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Sally Greenberg
: Now can you tell us which tapes/cds contain "And the Band Played Waltzing
: Matilda"? Thanks
The Eric Bogle Songbook (Greentrax CDTRAX 028, 1989)
Now I'm Easy (Larrikin CD LRF 041, 1987)
Scraps of Paper (Flying Fish FF 70311, 1983)
Also, the (double) LP (I don't know about availability on cassette):
In Concert (Larrikin LRF 160, 1985)
Sally
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cathy rytmeister
Probably the best-known version of "And the Band..." in Australia is
the one the Bushwackers recorded (I think on an album of the same
name, also on a live album called "Lively"). I heard Eric Bogle in an interview a couple of years ago
saying that he almost wished that there could be a moratorium on this
song - I think he might have been concerned that its impact would be
diminished if it became too hackneyed. The Bushwackers, incidentally,
have reformed, released a retrospective compilation, and are touring
again more or less regularly - they are describing themselves (rather
modestly, really :-)) as "Australia's premier heritage band", and seem
to be aiming rather more for the Country than the folk music scene.
Marcus Turner-TVNZ
Waltzing Matilda". It's a bit like the "Bob Dylan" one that Eric wrote.
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"I heard Eric Bogle in an interview a couple of years ago saying that he
almost wished that there could be a moratorium on this song"
Weddings, Parties, Anything recorded a magnificent antidote to this song -
"The scorn of the women" in the mid-80's. In part it goes:
Don't sing those songs about Waltzing Matilda
Don't tell me I tried, don't tell me I failed
All I recall is the scorn of the women
And a white feather that I received in the mail
About a world-war 2 conscript who got rejected on medical grounds.
Peter Dwyer
Peter Dwyer, Melbourne, Australia.
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pipd...@gmail.com
> Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
> such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
> they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
> Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
> traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
> including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
> etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
Yes Eric Bogle is the composer
Abby Sale
just proves to us we shouldn't take proof for granted when we "know"
them.
Likely the reason for the confusion in those organizations is that Bogle
is Australian and registered it there. BMI & ASCAP have a deep
financial (and other) interest in being the authorities and arbitors of
copyright, however.
Wiki gives:
^ ""And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" at APRA search engine".
Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA). Retrieved 2008-10-3
That link is:
http://www.apra-amcos.com.au/worksearch.axd?q=And%20The%20Band%20Played%20Waltzing%20Matilda
(Cookies enables)
Interestingly, although that site leaves no doubt about the good Mr
Bogle, it additionally confuses the song with WALTZING MATILDA.
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Michael Black
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 19:20:02 -0800 (PST), pipd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 1995 5:00:00 PM UTC+10, NLutzow wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me if Eric Bogle is the composer of this song? Sources
>>> such as BMI and ASCAP have told me the song is "traditional", but I fear
>>> they may be confusing it with the original Waltzing Mathilda. Is it an
>>> Eric Bogle composition, or is his version simply an arrangement of a
>>> traditional song? Also, any other publisher information you might have,
>>> including a performing rights society affiliation (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC,
>>> etc.) would be appreciated. Thanks for the help!
>>> --Nancy
>>
>> Yes Eric Bogle is the composer
>
> This is so well known, it's a surprise that it needs to be asked. That
> just proves to us we shouldn't take proof for granted when we "know"
> them.
>
lively.
I think if you go to google groups and look for the thread, you'll find
that the issue was covered way back then, and someone for some reason has
decided there's reason to churn up an 18 year old post, and add something
that was likely said before in the thread.
Michael
Abby Sale
>They were replying to a 1995 message, from back when this newsgorup was
>lively.
I think I was supposing that the writer's computer clock was mis-set.
Colin Irvine
<NO_SPA...@ft.newyorklife.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 23:04:13 -0500, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>>They were replying to a 1995 message, from back when this newsgorup was
>>lively.
>
>That's hysterical. That's certainly the oldest rehash I've seen.
>I think I was supposing that the writer's computer clock was mis-set.
several groups. Dunno why.
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Andrew Wigglesworth
and coming back to Usenet.
Oh, go on, we can all dream :-)
Chris J Dixon
>Colin Irvine wrote:
>
>> Over the past few months I've seen old posts being resurrected in
>> several groups. Dunno why.
>
>Maybe people are leaving the walled gardens of "web apps" like facebook
>and coming back to Usenet.
>
>Oh, go on, we can all dream :-)
degrading of Google Groups, which shows the original posting date
over on the right where it is not noticed by the tardy responder.
ISTMT every time they "enhance" their product, it makes it worse
for the rest of usenet. Cynics might postulate that this is
intentional.
Chris
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