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SAM...@psuvm.psu.edu

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I would like recommendations for early Jackson Browne recordings (i.e.
prior to 'running on empty').

Eliot Gelwan

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In article <90178.154...@psuvm.psu.edu>, SAM...@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I would like recommendations for early Jackson Browne recordings (i.e.
> prior to 'running on empty').

All three of the first three albums he issued ("Saturate Before Using,"
For everyman and Late for the Sky) are far superior in imagery, musical
complexity and poignancy to Running on Empty. David Lindley's playing
shines. Late for the Sky is my personal favorite, the songs are a little
more drawn out and evocative.

Douglas Clark

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Jun 28, 1990, 5:34:49 AM6/28/90
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The good Jackson Browne albums are:

Jackson Browne (1972)
For Everyman (1973)
Late for the Sky (1974)
The Pretender (1976)
Running on Empty (1978)
Hold Out (1980)

Weakest of these is 'The Pretender'. The first album is ok but a bit primitive.
'Hold Out' and 'Late for the Sky' are the best. 'Running on Empty' doesnt
contain too many of his own songs.
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Douglas Clark

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Jun 28, 1990, 4:14:20 AM6/28/90
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My favourite album is 'Late for the Sky' but they are all good.
He started going off after 'Running on Empty'.

J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343

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In article <65...@jjmhome.UUCP> el...@jjmhome.UUCP (Eliot Gelwan) writes:
=>In article <90178.154...@psuvm.psu.edu>, SAM...@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
=>All three of the first three albums he issued ("Saturate Before Using,"
=>For everyman and Late for the Sky) are far superior in imagery, musical
=>complexity and poignancy to Running on Empty. David Lindley's playing
=>shines. Late for the Sky is my personal favorite, the songs are a little
=>more drawn out and evocative.

Late for the Sky is also my personal favorite, but I also recommend "The
Pretender."

Not to be to picky, but I'm pretty sure that his first album was called,
simply, "Jackson Browne" and the phrase "Saturate Before Using" was just
stenciled on the radiator bag. Just a comment - not picking nits....


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Pete Brokaw

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Jun 29, 1990, 10:46:22 AM6/29/90
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>
> Not to be to picky, but I'm pretty sure that his first album was called,
> simply, "Jackson Browne" and the phrase "Saturate Before Using" was just
> stenciled on the radiator bag. Just a comment - not picking nits....
>

Speaking of the first album, is there anyone out there with a good ear for
lyrics? The last song on side 1 (Song from Silver Lake) contains a section
with Jackson Browne singing the regular verse and David Crosby singing an
alternate tune in the background. Does anyone know what the words to what
he's singing?

Eliot Gelwan

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Jun 30, 1990, 1:33:42 AM6/30/90
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In article <8...@sppy00.UUCP>, j...@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes:
>
> Not to be to picky, but I'm pretty sure that his first album was called,
> simply, "Jackson Browne" and the phrase "Saturate Before Using" was just
> stenciled on the radiator bag. Just a comment - not picking nits....
Yes, that's why I put the phrase "Saturate..." in quotes. I guess the way
it's done in "sophisticated" modern record reviews is to refer to an album
bearing just the name of the artist as something like "the eponymous first
album" which has always struck me as abit pretentious and circumlocutory.
So "Saturate..." is a convenient way to refer to the first album that avoids
all that. besides, I have always been a big fan of those radiator bags.
Not picking nits? No pits nicken!
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Peggy Bertsch

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Jun 29, 1990, 5:06:08 PM6/29/90
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>The first album is ok but a bit primitive.
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You think so? That album (which, btw, I *do* think of as "Saturate Before
Using," official name or not :-) is one of my faves. "Doctor My Eyes" has
always been a favorite JB tune of mine, but some of the album cuts like
"A Song For Adam" and "Jamaica Say You Will" always sound great to me.

I guess I like the simple acoustic stuff.

-peg

Tom Jack

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Jun 29, 1990, 3:31:50 PM6/29/90
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I am somewhat of a Jackson Browne fan.
I have all of his released recordings and quite a few
that he didn't release (bootlegs, tapings, promos).
I have seen Jackson in concert at least 20 times
in the last 15 years - twice this year alone.

My favorite of his released albums?

"Late For The Sky"

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Colm Mulcahy

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Jun 30, 1990, 2:04:29 PM6/30/90
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In article <65...@jjmhome.UUCP> el...@jjmhome.UUCP (Eliot Gelwan) writes:
>I guess the way
>it's done in "sophisticated" modern record reviews is to refer to an album
>bearing just the name of the artist as something like "the eponymous first
>album" which has always struck me as abit pretentious and circumlocutory.


nothing new about this habit in the US - as a glance at some 20 year old
reviews will reveal.


>album" which has always struck me as abit pretentious and circumlocutory.


what would you call such an album with no phrase written suggestively acrooss
the front ?


personally it annoys me when an album *doesn't* have a proper title.

all the moreso when it's in the middle of an artist's career ....

[yes I know there are many reasons for doing this, such as indicating a change
of label, trying to con the public into thinking you're a fresh new voice etc]


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Loren Rosen

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Jul 2, 1990, 5:21:11 PM7/2/90
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>In article <8...@sppy00.UUCP>, j...@sppy00.UUCP (J. Vickroy +1 614 764 4343) writes:
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>> Not to be to picky, but I'm pretty sure that his first album was called,
>> simply, "Jackson Browne" and the phrase "Saturate Before Using" was just
>> stenciled on the radiator bag. Just a comment - not picking nits....

I have the CD of this album, and on the side is says
Jackson Browne Saturate Before Using"
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Doug Landauer

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Jul 2, 1990, 8:04:19 PM7/2/90
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> I am somewhat of a Jackson Browne fan.
> I have all of his released recordings and ...

> My favorite of his released albums?
>
> "Late For The Sky"

Seems to be a consensus here. With all these "L8 4D SKY" fans, that
license plate out to be out there somewhere. I like the beautiful
melodies and arrangements of many of Jackson Browne's songs, but boy,
the lyrics sure can get depressing. Not being a generally depressed
sort of person, this bugs me sometimes. So I wrote an alternate set of
words for one of his most depressing titles -- "Fountain of Sorrow" --
called "Mountain of Laundry". I posted it here (in net.music.folk,
would ya believe?) around 1986 or 1987; I suspect that many of the
readers out there haven't seen it. Here 'tis ...

Mountain of Laundry
Jackson Browne, translated into
Slobbic by Doug Landauer,
Copyright (c) 1986, Doug Landauer

Looking through my closet for some clothes that I could wear,
I was stricken by a most peculiar smell.
There were socks and shoes and sweaters and some dirty shirts in there,
and some things that what they were, I couldn't tell.

You were turning 'round to sneer and wrinkle your nose up,
So I threw my shoe before you got to speak,
And as you staggered against the wall like a drunkard who throws up,
There was just a trace of footprint on your cheek.

Now the clutter covering the room seems infinitely deep,
Though it hasn't really been that long a time.
You'll have to scrape it off the bed to find a place to sleep,
But putting clean with dirty seems to me a crime.

When you see through love's illusions, who cares if you get laid?
'Cause your perfect lover just acts like a perfect slob,
So you go running off in search of the perfectly French maid,
And the time you spend cleaning results in you getting
retired from your job.

Mountain of laundry, a mountainous chore
You've known that all those clothes are your on the floor.
You've had to work all day, so now, you're all sore.
But it's time to go off to the grocery store.

Now when I'm alone, it's not that hard to clean things up myself,
But that tidy vision never seems to last,
And while I'm doing dishes, vacuuming and dusting off the shelf,
You come and generate more clutter just as fast.

I'm just one load of clothes and a couple of dinners behind you.
Had my chores all done before you showed your face.
And since you feel too free, and you need something to remind you,
I left this couch full of laundry in front of you, like
a mountain made of lace.

Mountain of laundry, a mountainous chore
You've known that all those clothes are your on the floor.
You've had to work all day, so now, you're all sore.
But it's time to go off to the grocery store.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Mountain of laundry, a mountainous chore
You've known that all those clothes are your on the floor.
You've had to struggle to open the door.
You keep under half your clothes put away in your drawer.
You could be folding some clothes, but you get too bored.
So you go on sleeping, so loudly you snore!
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Randy Dees

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Jul 3, 1990, 8:48:26 AM7/3/90
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As long as we're talking about Jackson Browne, is it the
saturate before using albulm the one that has the song about
the girlfreind being pregnate... and what was the title of
that song?

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Tom Jack

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>land...@morocco.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer) / 5:04 pm Jul 2, 1990 /

>Seems to be a consensus here. With all these "L8 4D SKY" fans, that
>license plate out to be out there somewhere. ...

>Doug Landauer - Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Languages - land...@eng.sun.com

Yes the plate is out there somewhere, also "JKSNBRWN". I have seen both.
Personalized license plates seem like a waste of money to me.

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Tom Jack

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>rec.music.folk / de...@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees) / 5:48 am Jul 3, 1990 /

>As long as we're talking about Jackson Browne, is it the
>saturate before using albulm the one that has the song about
>the girlfreind being pregnate... and what was the title of
>that song?

The song is titled "Ready Or Not".

I believe this was on his 1972 album "Jackson Browne - Saturate Before Using".

In the song - Jackson is "punched out by an unemployed actor,
defending her dignity... and knocked through the bar room door"
Not in the song - Warren Zevon was in the bar with Jackson,
he was the one who helped him up.

The girlfriend ended up being Jackson's first wife.

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Tom Jack

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>rec.music.folk / t...@hpcuhc.HP.COM (Tom Jack) / 12:18 pm Jul 3, 1990 /

>>rec.music.folk / de...@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees) / 5:48 am Jul 3, 1990 /
>>As long as we're talking about Jackson Browne, is it the
>>saturate before using albulm the one that has the song about
>>the girlfreind being pregnate... and what was the title of
>>that song?

>The song is titled "Ready Or Not".
>I believe this was on his 1972 album "Jackson Browne - Saturate Before Using".

Let me correct myself, the song "Ready Or Not" is on JB's 1973 album
"For Everyman".

Eliot Gelwan

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BIn article <3818...@hpindwa.HP.COM>, pe...@hpindwa.HP.COM (Peggy Bertsch) writes:

> "A Song For Adam" and "Jamaica Say You Will" always sound great to me.

Have you (or anyone) managed to figure out the lyrics to "Song for Adam"
during the counterpoint section. I'm especially interested in what
follows the line , "He's bound to go..." I have listened over and over
trying to make it out and make sense of it. Of course it doesn't
help that I have a very used very worn copy of the album I've overplayed since
its initial release. BTW, as I said in my earlier post, "Late for the Sky"
is the most enduring JB album IMHO2.

Eliot Gelwan

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Jul 5, 1990, 11:56:12 PM7/5/90
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In article <34...@oakhill.UUCP>, de...@sid.sps.mot.com (Randy Dees) writes:
> As long as we're talking about Jackson Browne, is it the
> saturate before using albulm the one that has the song about
> the girlfreind being pregnate... and what was the title of
> that song?
It's called Ready or Not, and it's on the second album, For Everyman.
In my opinion, not one of the shining stars of Browne's repertoire,
...its sexism makes me cringe everytime I hear it. "I was doin'
my very best Bogart but I was havin' trouble gettin' into her jeans."
On the same album is Redneck Friend which strikes me as being about
his penis. (Is this commonly acknowledged? Listen to the lyrics, it's
hard to miss. I take no credit for great genius to have noticed...)
He must've been in a raunchy mood while writing that album. At least,
later, in the song Rosie, the metaphor of masturbation was done with
more grace and subtlety. "Rosie, you wear my ring."
...eliot gelwan, cambridge ma
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Peggy Bertsch

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/ hpindwa:rec.music.folk / el...@jjmhome.UUCP (Eliot Gelwan) / 8:44 pm Jul 5, 1990 /

>Have you (or anyone) managed to figure out the lyrics to "Song for Adam"
>during the counterpoint section. I'm especially interested in what
>follows the line , "He's bound to go..." I have listened over and over
>trying to make it out and make sense of it.
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Now I'm confused. I had my "Saturate Before Using" CD here with me at work
and dropped it in the Discman to listen to "Song For Adam" but I didn't
even hear the part you're asking about. Can you fill in a few of the other
lines so I know where you mean??

BTW, on "Late for the Sky," I've always been quite partial to "For A Dancer";
and on "Hold Out," I like "Missing Persons." I'm beginning to worry that
I have some kind of subconscious fascination with death, like JB does ;-)

Actually, I think it was in an interview with JB published in the book
"Written In My Soul" (a collection of interviews with various songwriters,
compiled by Bill Flanagan, of "Musician" magazine -- and a *great* book)
where there was a very funny anecdote about how Warren Zevon had had some
kind of grand-mal seizure at an airport once (I think he ingested too much
of some sort of medicinal Chinese tea or something), and as he was flailing
around on the floor thinking he was a goner, his one coherent thought was
"Oh, God, *please* don't let Jackson write one of those songs about me..."
Well, *I* laughed...

-peg

Tom Jack

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>rec.music.folk / pe...@hpindwa.HP.COM (Peggy Bertsch) / 5:03 pm Jul 6, 1990

>>rec.music.folk / el...@jjmhome.UUCP (Eliot Gelwan) / 8:44 pm Jul 5, 1990
>>Have you (or anyone) managed to figure out the lyrics to "Song for Adam"
>>during the counterpoint section. I'm especially interested in what
>>follows the line , "He's bound to go..." I have listened over and over
>>trying to make it out and make sense of it.

>Now I'm confused. I had my "Saturate Before Using" CD here with me at work


>and dropped it in the Discman to listen to "Song For Adam" but I didn't
>even hear the part you're asking about. Can you fill in a few of the other
>lines so I know where you mean??

The line "They're bound to go..." is from the song "From Silver Lake".
The Counter Song is sung by Leah Kunkel (ex-wife of Russell Kunkel,
JB's old drummer). Russell moved on to play more with James Taylor,
and ended up seeing his ex - Carly Simon. Leah released one album
on her own.

Silver Lake is a rundown area of L.A. where JB used to share a $200/mo.
apartment with Glen Frey (of the "Eagles"), and others.

The song "From Silver Lake" is about a friend of JB's who went to India
("Song For Adam") for spiritual reasons, and ended up dying over there.



>BTW, on "Late for the Sky," I've always been quite partial to "For A Dancer";
>and on "Hold Out," I like "Missing Persons." I'm beginning to worry that
>I have some kind of subconscious fascination with death, like JB does ;-)

"For A Dancer" is one of my favorites too !!!

"Of Missing Persons" was written for the daughter of the late
Lowell George. Her birthday, and his death, occurred around the 4th of July.

>Actually, I think it was in an interview with JB published in the book
>"Written In My Soul" (a collection of interviews with various songwriters,
>compiled by Bill Flanagan, of "Musician" magazine -- and a *great* book)
>where there was a very funny anecdote about how Warren Zevon had had some
>kind of grand-mal seizure at an airport once (I think he ingested too much
>of some sort of medicinal Chinese tea or something), and as he was flailing
>around on the floor thinking he was a goner, his one coherent thought was
>"Oh, God, *please* don't let Jackson write one of those songs about me..."
>Well, *I* laughed...

Yes, alot of JB's songs are about friends that have died.
And he has a entire album that deals with his wifes suicide.

Pete Brokaw

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In article <3818...@hpindwa.HP.COM>, pe...@hpindwa.HP.COM (Peggy
Bertsch) writes:
> / hpindwa:rec.music.folk / el...@jjmhome.UUCP (Eliot Gelwan) / 8:44
pm Jul 5, 1990 /
> >Have you (or anyone) managed to figure out the lyrics to "Song for Adam"
> >during the counterpoint section. I'm especially interested in what
> >follows the line , "He's bound to go..." I have listened over and over
> >trying to make it out and make sense of it.
> ----------
>
> Now I'm confused. I had my "Saturate Before Using" CD here with me at work
> and dropped it in the Discman to listen to "Song For Adam" but I didn't
> even hear the part you're asking about. Can you fill in a few of the other
> lines so I know where you mean??
>

The original posting led you to the wrong song. The counterpoint is in
the last song on the first side (Song from Silver Lake). It comes towards the
end of the song. I think it goes something like

JB: He's bound to go Counterpoint: Oh what do you know
Not what I'd be feeling
But the past is {?}ling
So...

But it's hard to tell. I've been trying to figure it out for a long time, too.

Peggy Bertsch

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Peggy Bertsch

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>The original posting led you to the wrong song. The counterpoint is in
>the last song on the first side (Song from Silver Lake). It comes towards the
>end of the song. I think it goes something like
>
>JB: He's bound to go Counterpoint: Oh what do you know
> Not what I'd be feeling
> But the past is {?}ling
> So...
>
>But it's hard to tell. I've been trying to figure it out for a long time, too.
----------

Ah, I should've recognized "From Silver Lake" from that first description...
now I know what you mean...

Well, after my extensive, high-tech audio analysis of this thing (translation,
about three minutes with the CD through my Sony MDR-V4's ;-), this is what
I came up with:

Oh, what do you know
[Not what I've been feeling] <---- not too sure here
The past is healing so slow
By tomorrow, gone from sorrow

Does that fit? I didn't really listen to the rest of it too closely...I just
*cannot* refuse a "figure-out-the-lyrics" challenge, so I thought I'd try...
but I never claimed to be *good* at it :-)....

-peg

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