Is this a joke? You have Nanci Griffith and the Chieftains
on he same bill - and you want a review before getting
tickets? I suggest the tickets will be sold out in the
first hour - so you'll have to stick with the recording
and a wall poster - 'cause there won't be any tickets
left for you to buy.
--
Howard, from Angus in Scotland
Howard, you probably won't believe this but I went to the concert at
the Garden State Arts Center in New Jersey on July 6th and the arena
was no more than half-full, probably more like 40%, but it was an
excellent show, although the sound system was lousy. Perhaps the high
priced tickets ($32.50) had something to do with it although I was
surprised at the low turn-out. Maybe the holiday weekend kept people
away. I had been there 2 weeks earlier to see Patty Loveless and the
place was sold out!! Best regards, Elliot
> >Has anyone seen the current Nanci Grifith/Chieftains concert
> >tour? How long does Nanci play.....does she play solo or with
> >the Chieftains or her own band? I have a chance to see her this
> >Monday and would like to hear any reviews before getting
> >tickets. Thanks.
>
I saw this show this past weekend at the Garden State Arts Center in NJ.
In addition to Nanci Griffith and the Chieftans, an artint named Ashley
?????? (sorry) opened the show. He fronts an electric 'celtic' band that
hail from Nova Scotia. They play a high energy set (except for the last
song, a mournful tribute played acoustically) that lasted about 25
minutes.
After a short break Nanci Griffith performs with her band, the Blue Moon
Orchestra. They played about 50 minutes. She did a wide variety of tunes
(Love at the Five and Dime, Outbound Plane, Sound of Speed of Lonliness,
Late Night Grand Hotel, Trouble in the Fields, etc). She also played one
new song which she said would be on her next album, tentatively due spring
'97. Paddy Moloney and the Chieftan's percussionist (name escapes me now)
joined NG for their last number, It's a Hard Life Wherever You Go.
After another short break the Chieftans take the stage and play about an
hour. They too played a wide variety of songs from a number of their
recrdings. Sorry, I don't recall the names but Paddy Moloney introduced
each and in most cases referenced the recording from which they came. Two
pairs of dancers would periodically emerge to accompany the Chieftans
during some of their numbers. I understand from others around us that the
dances have accompanied the Chieftans before.
Prior to doing their last number Nanci Griffith, her band, Ashley ???? and
his band joined the Chieftans for a rousing final number that featured
each artist in a short solo performance. This was a long closing number
which ended the show. There were no encore but I suspect this was mostly
due to the show running long (Griffith mentioned she had to drop a song
from her set so I suspect the whole evening was running behind schedule).
All in all it was a good show. There was a very diverse audience, many
were there to mainly see Nanci Griffith and many more were there primarily
for the Chieftans. (My wife commented that she had never seen so many
people walking with canes at a concert!) I heard a wide variety of
comments walking out, mainly split along generational lines. We enjoyed
the entire show thorougly and I suspect most readers of this group would
as well.
I wish I could comment about the acoustics but the Garden State Arts
Center remains the worst sounding concert facility I've ever been to, and
I've been to many. But that's another story.
Spencer Kantor
--
Spencer Kantor
Bellcore
If anybody knows, can they please e-mail me.
Thanks,
Andy
Spencer,
I am an employee at SecaGraphics (test engineer) and will also be seeing
the
Nanci Griffith/Chieftans concert here in the Denver area (Red Rocks). I
am
thoroughly looking forward to it, even more so after your review.
Thanks,
Ed Mendelssohn
Phil
In <sek-100796...@nvcslip116.cc.bellcore.com>
According to this morning's (July 12) Nanci Griffith mailing
list, she has withdrawn from the Chieftains tour. She stated
that her fans did not enjoy the opening act, a Nova Scotia
Celtic fiddler named Ashley (I think), and that her act was
unacceptably abbreviated by being sandwiched between him
and the Chieftains.
--
Julie Campbell
jcam...@leo.vsla.edu
: According to this morning's (July 12) Nanci Griffith mailing
: list, she has withdrawn from the Chieftains tour. She stated
: that her fans did not enjoy the opening act, a Nova Scotia
: Celtic fiddler named Ashley (I think), and that her act was
: unacceptably abbreviated by being sandwiched between him
: and the Chieftains.
no! no! no! I've got tickets for Red Rocks.
If she pulled from the tour, I'm going to be upset with her.
I'm a paying customer ... she made a commitment.
My tickets are non-refundable ... how fair is that?
: --
: Julie Campbell
: jcam...@leo.vsla.edu
This would be Ashley MacIsaac from Cape Breton - something of a
phee-nom, especially with the younger market, in Canada these days.
Due to the addition of Canadian artist, Ashley MacIsaac, by invitation of THE
CHIEFTAINS, to join the tour as an opening act, I regretfully am withdrawing
myself and my band, THE BLUE MOON ORCHESTRA, from this summer tour. While Mr.
MacIsaacs performances with his band and with THE CHIEFTAINS have
complimented THE CHIEFTAINS, they have not entertained my fans and the
addition of him on this bill has forced me and my band to shorten our solo
portion of our show and the joint show with THE CHIEFTAINS. Since my
listeners and ticket buyers are and always will be my most loyal concern,
rather than continue to disappoint my fans, I prefer to withdraw and return
to perform for them at a later time.
For the many ticket buyers who have called and emailed our offices of their
disappointment in the short performance of NANCI GRIFFITH AND THE BLUE MOON
ORCHESTRA, I most humbly apologize.
To my fans who have tickets to future dates across America, July 12-29, I
urge you to request a refund on your tickets if you are expecting a NANCI
GRIFFITH show and collaboration with THE CHIEFTAINS during the evening as we
will not be there.
With great love and respect for THE CHIEFTAINS for our eight years of making
magic in music and on film, both on my records and theirs, NANCI GRIFFITH AND
THE BLUE MOON ORCHESTRA wish them a safe and gentle flight and welcome them
always as guests in our country.
From my West Texas dust bowl to their Dublin rain, I remain a most loyal
CHIEFTAIN fan and look forward to the honor of making music with them in the
future.
In the words of the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr...... "Love one
another..... it works".
Signed;
Nanci Griffith
July 10, 1996
Yes she had a commitment - but to a show that couldn't happen once the
Chieftains added another person to the bill. She was getting a lot of
complaints because she couldn't play as long as she and her fans would
have liked. She was supposed to perform *with the Chieftains and that
was dropped too, due to time constraints. When Nanci first committed
to the tour it was just her and the Chieftains. When the Chieftains
changed things, and it impacted her music and her fans, she decided
the best thing to do is leave.
I for one am glad - I'd hate to see her for just 45-50 minutes when
she was originally scheduled for 90 minutes. She'll come back I'm
sure.
susan (who has tickets for the 7/28 Berkeley show but would rather get
a refund if Nanci's not going to be there).
ju...@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) wrote:
>no! no! no! I've got tickets for Red Rocks.
>If she pulled from the tour, I'm going to be upset with her.
>I'm a paying customer ... she made a commitment.
>My tickets are non-refundable ... how fair is that?
>: --
>: Julie Campbell
>: jcam...@leo.vsla.edu
Susan Krauss
Krauss Research
skr...@hooked.net
510-482-8760 | 510-482-3593 (Fax)
The private concert location in Chicago area (Ravinia) is only offering
an exchange for a different show this summer. Of course most shows
are sold out in the pavillion.
I hope someone associated with Nanci, reads this and passes on to her
that the ticket refund option is not likely for her fans.
I'd still take 45 minutes to an 1 hr.
Phil
If that's the case, why didn't she just get rid of the Chieftains?!?
I'd rather hear Nanci on the same bill as Ashley McIsaac than Nanci
with the Chieftains. (In fact, in Canada, Ashley McIsaac's concerts
are always sold out. The Chieftains have their following in Canada
but don't always fill the concert hall.)
Anyhow.... IMHO, the way Nanci pulled out of the venture, whether she
intended it or not, is just a bit of a slag on Ashely McIsaac. Someone
posted the message she sent to the NG Mailing List here on rec.music.folk,
and at no point did she say that her actions should not be construed as a
negative reflection of Ashley's music. She speaks positively about the
Chieftains, but I would suspect they were the ones who had the say about
Ashley joining the tour, so it would have behooved her to at least include
in her message to her fans some disclaimer like "my withdrawal from the
tour should in no way be construed as a reflection on the talents of
Ashley McIsaac" or words to that effect.
I think a classier way for her to have behaved was to carry on with the
tour, but publicize the fact that her set would be abbreviated and let her
fans decide whether they still wanted to buy a ticket, if they hadn't
already, and if they had, to offer them a refund if they wanted it. I'd
be willing to bet a goodly portion of her fans would have attended the
concert even with the abbreviated set (as long as they were aware ahead of
time that it would be abbreviated), and many of them might have enjoyed
Ashley's music.
-- Linda
: Anyhow.... IMHO, the way Nanci pulled out of the venture, whether she
: intended it or not, is just a bit of a slag on Ashely McIsaac. Someone
: posted the message she sent to the NG Mailing List here on rec.music.folk,
: and at no point did she say that her actions should not be construed as a
: negative reflection of Ashley's music.
Has Neill Griffin's post, dated Friday July 12, reached your site?
He passes along the message from Nanci, which contained the
following:
"While Mr. MacIsaacs performances with his band and with
THE CHIEFTAINS have complimented THE CHIEFTAINS, they have not
entertained my fans and the addition of him on this bill has forced me
and my band to shorten our solo portion of our show and the joint show
with THE CHIEFTAINS."
How does saying something (one) _complimented_ something (one)
else figure into "at no point did she say that her actions should not
be construed as a _negative_ reflection of Ashley's music?
flo
>I am an employee at SecaGraphics (test engineer) and will also be seeing
>the Nanci Griffith/Chieftans concert here in the Denver area (Red Rocks). I
>am thoroughly looking forward to it,
If what was posted in some earlier postings on this and some other news groups
( alt.music.canada for 1) is true , she has withdrawn from the tour.
Apparently she felt her fans did not appreciate her having to cut her show
down to accommodate Ashley MacIsaac & band. I am a great fan of Nanci's and
also enjoy Ashley, and hope that this is not indicative of the
development of "tribalism" within musical genres that just seemed to
be be opening up to each other largely through work of people like the
Cheiftains
<repetition snipped>
>Anyhow.... IMHO, the way Nanci pulled out of the venture, whether she
>intended it or not, is just a bit of a slag on Ashely McIsaac. Someone
>posted the message she sent to the NG Mailing List here on rec.music.folk,
>and at no point did she say that her actions should not be construed as a
>negative reflection of Ashley's music. She speaks positively about the
>Chieftains, but I would suspect they were the ones who had the say about
>Ashley joining the tour, so it would have behooved her to at least include
>in her message to her fans some disclaimer like "my withdrawal from the
>tour should in no way be construed as a reflection on the talents of
>Ashley McIsaac" or words to that effect.
>I think a classier way for her to have behaved was to carry on with the
>tour, but publicize the fact that her set would be abbreviated and let her
>fans decide whether they still wanted to buy a ticket, if they hadn't
>already,
Total agreement. If what has been posted is accurate then
Nanci's actions are high-handed and narrow-minded. But of course
if she had issued a statement as suggested in the first
paragraph above her actions would be more clearly seen as such.
And what % of her 'fans' did she poll to assert that her fans
didn't like Ashley McIsaac?
Still, it's good to have her encouraging new tallent!
Regards
George
Linda has said a mouthful here. Put in perspective, the Chieftains have
a long history of sharing THEIR spotlight (which has been burning as
long as anyone's) with various artists. With big names, like Van Morrison
and Roger Daltrey, to big-name-wannabe's like Ms. Nanci., they have
swapped legitimacy of Irish roots for some added draw for themselves.
(But really Roger, wasn't their *something* other than 'Raglan Road?')
But they have also *ALWAYS* shared their stage and their recordings with
young musicians and dancers who were up-and-coming and who are among
the best of the next generation of the keepers of the flame. Hence the
young dancers, fiddlers, whistle players, and what not who constantly
pop out of the wings at Chieftains concerts and in their recordings.
Although entertaining, the inclusion of these folks at Chieftains events
are really almost a pure 'give' on Chieftains' part. After all, they could fill
a place and take up two hours without the 'extras.' But they're generous.
They give back to the tradition that made them.
A lot of us have benefitted by more experienced and musically 'better'
mentors having shared their stages with us at one time or another. And
a few of us have been fortunate enough to know folks who just can't seem
to resist sharing their success at every opportunity.
It's a zero-sum game. To put a new soloist up, the rest of the show has
to give up some of its time. Or learn to play with that person, and back
him or her up.
In the end, I'm more impressed with a bunch of 'old masters' who make room
with an up-and-coming traditional musician, than I am with a 'recording
artist' who fusses about 'my fans.'
Greg
Hmmmmm, well, I'm not so sure that the way Nanci (or her representative,
if that's who actually wrote the message) phrased the above was
overflowing with warm regard for Ashley's music -- "Mr. McIsaac's
music complimented the Chieftains".... that's kind of like saying "the
drapes compliment the sofa", but it doesn't really tell one much about
how the person really feels about the drapes or the sofa. But it's
probably dangerous to try and second guess what someone is really trying
to say particularly when I don't them from a hole in the ground, so I'll
withdraw whatever I said before.
But I do think deciding to withdraw from a concert bill because the
presence of another person on the bill might upset one's fans or not
give them their money's worth is a bit "precious". Her fans are big
boys and girls and can make their own decision as to whether they wish
to attend the concert or not.
What Nanci needs to do in the future is ensure that there is firm
(written?) agreement with the concert promoter or whoever she shares a
bill with not to change the line-up without her express permission. If
such an agreement was not in place this time around, she really has no one
to blame but herself and/or her management.
Anyhow.... I am a big Nanci Griffith fan and had I been in the position
to attend the Ashley McIsaac/Nanci Griffith/Chieftains concert, I would
have been extremely disappointed to have had Nanci cancel out, even if her
set was cut by a song or two. The fact that anybody else whose music I
happened not to care for was on the bill would not have mattered in the
least. Whenever there's a shared bill, you know you're not going to get
as much of the performer as you would when they perform on their own, but
it's better than not seeing them at all. Nanci plans to come back to
perform a full set to these places where she cancelled out. What would've
made me happy (but, yes, I am aware that the world was _not_ created
solely to make _me_ happy), is if she continued on with the tour and then
came back to my home town a little later to perform a full set. I'd be
willing to bet most if not all of her fans would go to _both_ concerts.
-- Linda
I'm just glad I got to see what was evidently her last concert of the tour, and
it's too bad that other Nanci Griffith fans won't get to see her perform this time
around. If those folks skip the shows, now that they are only Ashley MacIsaac and
The Chieftains, they'll also miss an opportunity to see a performer who I thought
was great.
Nanci was just plain wrong that her fans don't like Ashley MacIsaac.
-- Geoff Boehm
geo...@aol.com
Neill Griffin wrote:
>
> This message was passed on to the Nanci Griffith email list...
>
> Due to the addition of Canadian artist, Ashley MacIsaac, by invitation of THE
> CHIEFTAINS, to join the tour as an opening act, I regretfully am withdrawing
> myself and my band, THE BLUE MOON ORCHESTRA, from this summer tour. While Mr.
> MacIsaacs performances with his band and with THE CHIEFTAINS have
> complimented THE CHIEFTAINS, they have not entertained my fans and the
> addition of him on this bill has forced me and my band to shorten our solo
He's also managed to be one of those "played on pretty well every station"
artists, in a k.d. lang-esque way. If anyone's at all interested, he plays
celtic-ish (maritimes of Canada) fiddle with often other traditional
instruments backing him up. Lots of his songs, including half from his "hit"
album "Hi (tm) How Are You Today" and all the songs from the followup "Fine
Thank You Very Much" (title might be wrong) are traditional with no "Electric"
backing. He also has a couple of songs which are very fast and accompanied by
frentic drumming and electrics (ie. The Devil In The Kitchen) and a couple more
songs which are traditional with a drum and bass background (ie. Sleepy
Maggie). "Sleepy Maggie" became a *huge* hit all over Canada, and got airplay
on nearly every station I listen to, on folk shows, rock shows, dance shows,
"lite-rock" stations...
All the songs are instrumentals (at least, on the first album) except for a
couple which have some celtic (?) lyrics. Highly recommended: fine holiday
fun.
See my later post (I'll post it now) for information on possible reasons why
Ms. Griffiths might have broken off the tour.
--
Chris Foley (chr...@iceonline.com) DNRC POPE OF CAPITAL LETTERS, HPK
>Nanci was just plain wrong that her fans don't like Ashley MacIsaac.
Oh, I thought it was just *you guys* =). Is there a reason why her fans
wouldn't like Ashley? I mean, he does have a couple of fast, loud,
bow-wrecking songs, but for the most part his songs are mellow, traditional,
and deeply melodic!
Greg> In the end, I'm more impressed with a bunch of 'old masters' who make room
Greg> with an up-and-coming traditional musician, than I am with a 'recording
Greg> artist' who fusses about 'my fans.'
But if the fans really are being affected then I think the "artist" is
doing the right thing. I would call reduced playing time affecting
the fans. There is also no doubt that Ashley M's fans bring a
different dynamic. I have no desire to see Ashley M. in concert again and I
would be very pissed at having Nanci Griffith play less in order to
accommodate him when that was *not* the ticket I was buying (especially
with the concerts being as overpriced as they are these days).
The bottom line is far too much is being read into the "Nanci
statement". She dropped out, the statement was innocuous, and Ashley
M. now gets more leeway to perform.
mark.
Chris> Oh, I thought it was just *you guys* =). Is there a reason why her fans
Chris> wouldn't like Ashley? I mean, he does have a couple of fast, loud,
Chris> bow-wrecking songs, but for the most part his songs are mellow, traditional,
Chris> and deeply melodic!
Well, here is one Nanci fan who really does not like Ashley (I have
seen both in concert). While I think Ashley is talented, I believe
his "fame" is disproportionate to his talent and that he has a good
gimmick going between his Canadiana (loved the ref outfit on some
awards show), his "look", and his ability to give good interview. I
imagine good old Canadian Content laws don't hurt either.
Hope that doesn't come across as too much of a slam... like I say he
definitely has talent. I just don't enjoy it...
mark.
>In article <4set6p$1o...@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> lsl...@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca (Linda Slater) writes:
>>
>>What Nanci needs to do in the future is ensure that there is firm
>>(written?) agreement with the concert promoter or whoever she shares a
> ^^^^^^^^
>>bill with not to change the line-up without her express permission. If
>^^^^^
>Linda has said a mouthful here. Put in perspective,
<rest snipped>
VERY well said, sir!
Regards
George
ph...@marconi.ih.att.com (Philip Tomaskovic) wrote:
>Phil
>But I do think deciding to withdraw from a concert bill because the
>presence of another person on the bill might upset one's fans or not
>give them their money's worth is a bit "precious". Her fans are big
>boys and girls and can make their own decision as to whether they wish
>to attend the concert or not.
I bought my tickets months ago when the show was promoted as just the
Chieftains and Nanci Griffith. The understanding was that Nanci would
perform, the Chieftains would perform, and then they'd do some stuff
together.
Then they added another act which cut down on Nanci's solo time and
eliminated the planned songs with the Chieftains. There were online
complaints about people seeing a show they didn't expect and folks
hoping Nanci would play longer. According to Nanci's production
manager, there were also complaints to Nanci's managers. She was
obviously frustrated on stage according to folks who saw the early
shows.
I've seen Nanci a number of times where she's been the headliner and
in festival type situations (tribute to Woody Guthrie in Central park)
when I only expected her to sing three songs.. I expected more from
*this show and have asked for a refund.
Melody
.... More will be revealed.
Claire
As if Nanci-Dear didn't have her own passle of syncophants...
--
Ted Samsel....tejas@infi.net *1996* Year of the Accordion~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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