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What's Your Favourite Spooky Folk Song?

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David Rintoul

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Oct 27, 2001, 10:13:20 AM10/27/01
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I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
days.
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David Rintoul
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JDalin

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Oct 27, 2001, 10:32:28 AM10/27/01
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The Erl King, by Steve Gilette.

Witch of the Westmerland, by Archie Fisher.

Jorn Barger

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Oct 27, 2001, 10:33:09 AM10/27/01
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Michael Hurley has 'Werewolf' and many others. My favorite spooky one
is probably 'Light Green Fellow' about a lovesick peeping tom, but
that's not really a halloween-y kind of spooky.

more: http://www.robotwisdom.com/jorn/hurley.html


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Joe Fineman

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Oct 27, 2001, 2:41:48 PM10/27/01
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David Rintoul <david....@sympatico.ca> writes:

> I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone
> shared the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins
> and vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to
> take our mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing
> with these days.

"Miss Bailey" has a ghost in it, treated with charming (I suppose)
18th-centurn skepticism.

In that vein, "Anne Boleyn" is also worth singing.
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David Harris

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Oct 27, 2001, 3:41:18 PM10/27/01
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"Good King Henry" Steeleye Span....

David

JesiAna

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Oct 27, 2001, 4:03:09 PM10/27/01
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Not sure as you would consider this spooky, but I always get chills from "In
the Hills of Shiloh," which Judy Collins recorded ages and ages ago.


Jesiana

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Manfred Helfert

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Oct 27, 2001, 4:06:47 PM10/27/01
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What about Buffy Sainte-Marie's "The Vampire"...?
That one's really eery and spooky...

Manfred
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Hodagg

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Oct 27, 2001, 4:39:54 PM10/27/01
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"Lady Margaret", from Maggie Boyle's Gweebarra cd.

Rick

Harold Groot

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Oct 27, 2001, 8:28:12 PM10/27/01
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13:20 -0400, David Rintoul
<david....@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
>the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
>vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
>mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
>days.

Well, it might depend a bit on your definition of folk song. If you
are looking for songs that are widely known (so they can be discussed,
compared and so on) that is one thing. If you are looking for new
songs to learn (or just enjoy) yourself, it opens up a larger field.

People who read science fiction and fantasy have an active subgroup
who write and sing songs about these things. I can list dozens of
songs on such topics. But they are only well known within the
community, and the tapes and CDs are handled by specialty distributors
instead of the big national or international chains.

Originally called Science Fiction Folk Songs, there was a typo that
stuck - they are now called filk songs. If you make the same inquiry
on rec.music.filk you will get many responses.

Just to throw some titles out there:

The Lady
Sweet Savage Vampire
Little Green Eyes
Ferryman, Ferryman
Child of Darkness
Lammas Night
The Queen of Air and Darkness
Howling Mountain
AI, Cthulhu (there are dozens on just the Cthulhu mythos alone)
Bloodsisters
Kraken
Lady of Shadows
Moon
Phantom Rider
Breeze
Crimson and Crystal
Things
Vampire Megabyte
Werewolf's Lament
Baby Vampire Boogie (Fly-By-Night)

If you have a favorite spooky movie (Interview With The Vampire) or TV
show (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, X-Files) or book (various St. Germain
stories), the odds are very good that someone has written a song about
it.

Daniel R. Reitman

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Oct 27, 2001, 8:34:44 PM10/27/01
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13:20 -0400, David Rintoul
<david....@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
>the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
>vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
>mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
>days.

The Carter, Bob Franke.

Dan, ad nauseam

Rilla Heslin

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Oct 27, 2001, 8:33:41 PM10/27/01
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> I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
> the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
> vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
> mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
> days.
> ---
> David Rintoul

I have a few:

1. Baby Vampire Boogie, by Harold Groot
2. Dawson's Christian, by Dwayne Elms
3. Child of Darkness, by Cynthia McQuillian
4. Vampire Megabite, by Steve Savitzky
5. The Ferryman, by Misty Lacky & Leslie Fish
6. Heat of the Blood, by Tom Smith
7. PQR (You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet), by Tom Smith
8. Crimson and Crystal, by Cynthia Mc Quillian

These are just a *few* of my favorites.

Rillaz

TAsher

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Oct 27, 2001, 9:17:43 PM10/27/01
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Not a Halloween song, but the song "Windego" can send shivers thru ya.

-Terri

Rilla Heslin

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Oct 27, 2001, 10:51:06 PM10/27/01
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Which version were you thinking of? I've run across four so far. I
think they are all good, but my favorite is the one done by Eileen
McGann.

Rilla

Uncle Bob

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Oct 28, 2001, 12:37:17 AM10/28/01
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David Rintoul (david....@sympatico.ca) wrote:
: I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared

: the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
: vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
: mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
: days.
: ---

The Purple People Eater!

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TAsher

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Oct 28, 2001, 1:07:30 AM10/28/01
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I am only familiar with the Mary McHaslin (sp?) version. Is she the person who
wrote it? I don't think ( or know if) it is a "traditional" song. Who else did
it?

-Terri

Frederick Oxfordshire UK

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Oct 28, 2001, 3:34:24 AM10/28/01
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Tam Lin (Fairport)
and
Long Lankin (Steeleye)

Both originally 'Border Ballads' and featured in Childe.

Best wishes
Frederick
(Oxfordshire - UK)

Will C

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Oct 28, 2001, 7:25:39 AM10/28/01
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South Coast - Kingston Trio
Julianne - New Christy Minstrels

Ophiel Magic

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Oct 28, 2001, 8:01:44 AM10/28/01
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Where Have All the Flowers Gone

John Kearney

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Oct 28, 2001, 9:33:22 AM10/28/01
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The Hole, Townes Van Zandt.

If this doesn't send shivers down your spine, you don't have one!

jk

Bob Graham

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Oct 28, 2001, 9:52:12 AM10/28/01
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"Black Magic Gun" by Tom Rush
"With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm" by Cheryl Wheeler
"Foggy, Foggy Dew" by John Roberts and Tony Barrand
"The Worms Crawl In, the Worms Crawl Out" never heard a recording but fondly
remember it from my childhood.

Bob G.

Abby Sale

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Oct 28, 2001, 11:23:10 AM10/28/01
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:41:48 GMT, Joe Fineman <j...@TheWorld.com> wrote:

>"Miss Bailey" has a ghost in it, treated with charming (I suppose)
>18th-centurn skepticism.

Speaking of the lady, I've recently been doing a bit research on it. Bruce
Olson has much good background at his website that I won't repeat here.
Except that the tune for this song was, by then, in tradition but based on
"Ally Croker" by Larry Grogan, an Irish piper of the first half of
the 18th century, & traditionally credited with the composition about 1725.

The new song was written by someone only identified as "Risk" for George
Colman's "Love laughs at locksmiths," (a comic opera, in two acts.) It
premiered on July 25, 1803 (Not worth reading, BTW.)

The play was translated word-for-word from the French, "Une Folie" with the
single addition of "Unfortunate Miss Bailey" at the very end. The song
became a pop hit in London and also, 4 years later after the play was
pefmormed in NY, in the US. It went immediately into tradition in both
countries and is recognized as the tune for the Battle of New Orleans song,
"The Hunters of Kentucky."

Now here's the thing. The song's pretty standardized but Marais and
Miranda sing a 5th verse I haven't heard elsewhere. It appears in the Levy
Collection _handwritten_ anonymously onto the sheet music from NY but there
is no piece of this verse in the original book of the play. (I have a
microfiche copy of the book from Inter-Library Loan in front of me now.)

If you go to http://levysheetmusic.mse.jhu.edu/advancedsearch.html and
search titles for Unfortunate Miss Bailey. It's extremely hard to read but
I down-loaded the right-click image and played a bit. Referring back to
Marais's singing, I get this:

Next morn his man knocked at his door,
He says "John, now [come] dreピ me.
Miピ Bailey's got [my] one-pound note."
John says, "Good Heavens, bleピ me!
I should not mind if she had ta'en
No more than all your riches;
But with your one-pound note, Egad!
She's ta'en your [only] breeches."
Oh, Miピ Bailey, unfortunate Miピ Bailey,

Worth singing, I think. I wonder if any might have any additional info on
this last verse?

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Ginger-lyn Summer

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Oct 28, 2001, 2:29:21 PM10/28/01
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13:20 -0400, David Rintoul
<david....@sympatico.ca> wrote:

There have been some good ones mentioned here; I always play "Tam Lin"
on Samhain/Halloween.

One of my favorite chilling sorts of songs may not entirely be
considered folk, but the feel and sound of it most certainly is:
Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians' "Lady Waters and the Hooded One".
Great song about the Black Plague and cheating death.

Ginger-lyn


Nancy

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Oct 28, 2001, 3:20:54 PM10/28/01
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For humourous gruesomeness, Tom Leher's "I hold your hand in mine, Dear."
and for baby boomer nostalgia, "Spooky, Spooky, lend me your tomb," a take
off one "Kooky, Kooky, lend me your comb," which I think was done by
Connie Stevens. So okay they aren't folk songs.

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and they won'tlet you join 'em
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Gerry Myerson

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Oct 28, 2001, 6:03:33 PM10/28/01
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In article <20011027160309...@mb-fy.aol.com>,
jes...@aol.com (JesiAna) wrote:

-> Not sure as you would consider this spooky, but I always get chills
-> from "In the Hills of Shiloh," which Judy Collins recorded ages and
-> ages ago.

Yes! Let's also give credit to the writers, who were Shel Silverstein
and, um, I forget the other one. Sorry.

Gerry Myerson (ge...@mpce.mq.edu.au)

Gerry Myerson

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Oct 28, 2001, 6:08:11 PM10/28/01
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In article <3BDB9203...@mindspring.com>, fo...@mindspring.com
wrote:

-> I am only familiar with the Mary McHaslin (sp?) version. Is she the
-> person who wrote it? I don't think ( or know if) it is a
-> "traditional" song. Who else did it?
->
-> Rilla Heslin wrote:
->
-> > Which version were you thinking of? I've run across four so far.
-> > I think they are all good, but my favorite is the one done by
-> > Eileen McGann.
-> >
-> > TAsher wrote:
-> > >
-> > > Not a Halloween song, but the song "Windego" can send shivers
-> > > thru ya.

Mary McCaslin recorded a song called Windigo. I don't remember who's
credited as the writer.

Eileen McGann recorded an entirely different song called Windigo's
Coming. The McCaslin song is spooky, I don't think the McGann song is.

Gerry Myerson (ge...@mpce.mq.edu.au)

Sue Quick

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Oct 28, 2001, 7:00:39 PM10/28/01
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TAsher wrote:
>
> Not a Halloween song, but the song "Windego" can send shivers thru ya.
>

Back in 1958 (I can just remember that far) my older brother was reading
about the Wendigo, sitting on the windowsill in the toilet... he was so
absorbed by the story that he didn't notice the sash window (note for
non - British- a vertical sliding window) had descended silently,
trapping the tail of his shirt. When he could take no more, he tried to
get up and go....

I was only 3 and a half, and I can still remember the screams as he
found he was trapped.

Paul Burke

Rilla Heslin

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Oct 28, 2001, 7:24:34 PM10/28/01
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> Eileen McGann recorded an entirely different song called Windigo's
> Coming. The McCaslin song is spooky, I don't think the McGann song is.
>
> Gerry Myerson (ge...@mpce.mq.edu.au)


Since it is a Native American Myth, we do our version in a very
traditional style. I guess that's what tends to get to our audience.
We have many request for it *because*, we are told, that it is so very
chilling.

Rilla

JesiAna

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Oct 28, 2001, 8:07:39 PM10/28/01
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<< -> from "In the Hills of Shiloh," which Judy Collins recorded ages and
-> ages ago.

Yes! Let's also give credit to the writers, who were Shel Silverstein
and, um, I forget the other one. >>

We tend to remember Shel for his children's books and forget what a good
songwriter he was...he is also responsible for the lovely "On Susan's Floor,"
which Gordon Lightfoot put on an album back in the seventies.

Harold Groot

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Oct 29, 2001, 1:42:00 AM10/29/01
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:20:54 GMT, nann...@earthlink.net (Nancy)
wrote:

>For humourous gruesomeness, Tom Leher's "I hold your hand in mine, Dear."
>and for baby boomer nostalgia, "Spooky, Spooky, lend me your tomb," a take
>off one "Kooky, Kooky, lend me your comb," which I think was done by
>Connie Stevens. So okay they aren't folk songs.

"Kooky..." was Edward Byrnes and Connie Stevens (1959).
"Spooky..." was done by Spike Jones on one of his later albums (one
when it wasn't mainly about the sound effects like his more famous
efforts).


Robert Lopresti

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Oct 29, 2001, 12:54:28 AM10/29/01
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Gordon Bok recorded a song called "The Banging of the
Wheelhouse Door." I don't know who wrote it. It is
a ghost story without a ghost. The sailor is thrown
from his ship and his friend drowns. Someone drags up the
ship and it lies on the beach near his house and every
time its windy he hears the banging of the door...
Very spooky, but no spook. Great song.

I don't think anyone has mentioned the various
"Vanishing Hitchhiker" songs like "Bringing Mary
Home" and the one Tom Waits does, "Phantom 409."

I wrote a song based on the story of Nasrudin
(hero of a million Sufi folk tales) taking a short cut
through a cemetary and falling into an open grave.

Pint and Dale do a great song called "The Trefina's
Extra Hand" about a sailor dying on board ship who
announces that he likes the ship and intends to stay
on board - and does. I'm afraid I don't know the
author to that one either.

Rob


TAsher

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Oct 29, 2001, 1:50:30 AM10/29/01
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Just thought of another song "Long Black Veil". (Sorry if it has already
been mentioned a bunch of times...)

-Terri

Rilla Heslin

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Oct 29, 2001, 2:02:15 AM10/29/01
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>
> I don't think anyone has mentioned the various
> "Vanishing Hitchhiker" songs like "Bringing Mary
> Home" and the one Tom Waits does, "Phantom 409."
> Rob

*Ferryman* is a type of "Vanishing Hitchhiker" song. It's been mentioned
twice so far.

Rilla

Abby Sale

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Oct 29, 2001, 8:27:37 AM10/29/01
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13:20 -0400, David Rintoul
<david....@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
>the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and

Staying strictly on topic (for a change), the "Happy!" file gives us the
following actual Halloween songs:

But as it fell out on last Hallow-even,
When the seely [fairy] court was ridin by,
The queen lighted down on a gowany [daisy] bank,
Nae far frae the tree where I wont to lye.
"Allison Gross," Child #35 & Steeleye Span

Then will you meet me here, my faithful Johnny,
Then will you meet me here, my sweet and bonnie?
Though the night be halloween,
When the fearful sights are seen
I will come again, my sweet and bonnie, I will come again.
"Faithful Johnny" sung by Redpath, Dransfields,Dyer-Bennett
- music arr. (not composed) by L Van Beethoven.

But tonight is Halloween and the fairy court rides
Those that would let true love win,
At Miles' Cross they must hide.
"Tamlin" (Child #39)

bogus address

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Oct 28, 2001, 8:44:26 PM10/28/01
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> "The Worms Crawl In, the Worms Crawl Out" never heard
> a recording but fondly remember it from my childhood.

There must be umpteen versions of that one.

Anybody want to share a few?

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Dennis Brown

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Oct 29, 2001, 11:30:12 AM10/29/01
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Robert Lopresti wrote:

> Gordon Bok recorded a song called "The Banging of the
> Wheelhouse Door." I don't know who wrote it. It is
> a ghost story without a ghost. The sailor is thrown
> from his ship and his friend drowns. Someone drags up the
> ship and it lies on the beach near his house and every
> time its windy he hears the banging of the door...
> Very spooky, but no spook. Great song.

Sean Gagnier wrote that song, years ago in Montreal,
around 1969-70. Don't know where he is now.

--
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Maynard R. Johnson

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Oct 30, 2001, 7:47:00 AM10/30/01
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> On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13:20 -0400, David Rintoul
> <david....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
> >the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
> >vampires and spooky ships and such. I thought it might help to take our
> >mind off some of the real life scary things we are dealing with these
> >days.

It's more funny/spooky, but I always liked an old round called "Have you
seen the ghost of Tom?"

Have you seen the ghost of Tom?
Long white bones with the skin all gone.
Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh Poor old Tom,
Wouldn't it be chilly with no skin on!

We used to couple it with the story of American Revolutionary War
figure, Thomas Paine, and his post-mortem travels.


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Rob Derrick

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Oct 30, 2001, 5:08:58 PM10/30/01
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Robert Lopresti wrote:

> ...and the one Tom Waits does, "Phantom 409."

by Red Sovine, I believe -- circa 1970.


Over the Ground -- sung by Dave Goulder, the joke turned
song about the fellows who fall into an open grave.


The Griesly Bride -- young bride turns weremonster on wedding night

His wedding bed still waits for him,
As he lays in a crimson tide
Beware, beware O' trapper man,
Beware of a griesly bride

There was an old woman all skin and bones -- a campfire jump song.


But, the king of humorous spooky songs -- Ten Dead Fingers,
by Tom Baxter.

And easily, without doubt, the king of spooky songs,
The Nightmare -- also by Tom Baxter, about a dream of a
demon ride into the pit of hell and the very palm of
the Dark One himself, and a story hidden within about
a altogether different ride. Brilliant!


rob d.

Jack Dingler

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Oct 30, 2001, 7:36:49 PM10/30/01
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Is Tam Lin the same as Tomlin. The song about a man captured by faeries?

Jack Dingler

Ginger-lyn Summer

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Oct 31, 2001, 2:16:51 PM10/31/01
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:36:49 GMT, Jack Dingler <jdin...@texas.net>
wrote:

>Is Tam Lin the same as Tomlin. The song about a man captured by faeries?
>
>Jack Dingler
>

Never heard it done as "Tomlin", but yes, in "Tam Lin", he was
captured by the Faerie Queen, and has been captive for 7 years when he
meets his true love, who alone can (and does) free him from the spell.

Ginger-lyn

TTuerff

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Nov 1, 2001, 7:34:19 AM11/1/01
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I've always liked "With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm." Jim Kweskin had a
version of it on one of his solo 70s albums that will probably never see the
light of CD, unfortunately.

TT
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Selsick

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Nov 1, 2001, 12:05:09 PM11/1/01
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Widdecombe Fair is pretty chilling especially the Show of Hands version.
Loreena McKennit's rendition of "She Moved Throught the Fair" also needs to
be kistened to with the lights on.

I have also always found the lyrics to Scarborough Fair to be really dark
and eerie - bitter and twisted man proposes all these impossibkle tasks to
his ex before he'll take her back. There's something eerie not being
said.....

Hugh


Rilla Heslin

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Nov 1, 2001, 4:20:54 PM11/1/01
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I had completely forgotten about "Widdecombe Fair"!!! It is indeed one
of my favorites as a kid, though I really liked Burl Ives. I've never
heard the band that you mentioned, do it, however.

I had heard that "Scarborough Fair" was a witch finding song. That if
any woman could do any of the tasks mentioned that she would be deemed a
witch and burned. So that was the intent I used when I sang it. Though
there is probably as many different ideas about the *why's* of the song
and there are versions.

Rilla

Estron

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Nov 1, 2001, 5:11:35 PM11/1/01
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Previously on rec.music.folk, Manfred Helfert wrote:

> What about Buffy Sainte-Marie's "The Vampire"...?
> That one's really eery and spooky...

That Buffy Sainte-Marie has written (or performed) a song entitled "The
Vampire" is, to me, an interesting coincidence. I happen to be a fan of
a TV series called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," which is about an
American teenager who is called to a destiny of battling supernatural
evil -- even though (at the time) she was much more interested in
clothes and boys.

Every now and then, someone sneers "What kind of a name is 'Buffy'?
Nobody is really named 'Buffy'!" I usually refer them to Ms. Sainte-
Marie.

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Rob Mitchell

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Nov 1, 2001, 8:23:36 PM11/1/01
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"David Rintoul" <david....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I thought with Halloween coming up, it might be fun if everyone shared
> the folk songs they know about ghosts and sprites and goblins and
> vampires and spooky ships and such.

"A Tale They Won't Believe", by Weddings, Parties, Anything. Escaped
prisoners and cannibalism... :)

Shawn

Mike

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Nov 1, 2001, 8:37:02 PM11/1/01
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"Vampires, Mummies and the Holy Ghost" Jimmy Buffett

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Harold Groot

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On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:05:09 GMT, "Selsick"
<yon...@selsick.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I have also always found the lyrics to Scarborough Fair to be really dark
>and eerie - bitter and twisted man proposes all these impossibkle tasks to
>his ex before he'll take her back. There's something eerie not being
>said.....
>Hugh

Hmmm... guess a lot depends on the version you heard. It's an old
song and many versions are out there. In some versions both the man
and the woman are demanding that the other complete various impossible
tasks. Usually that form has alternating verses - he proposes that
she do various tasks in one verse, she counters with proposals that he
do various tasks in the following verse and so on.

As to "bitter and twisted", that's one interpretation (I will never
want to take him/her back, so I'll make the conditions impossible).
Other interpretations are possible. It could be as simple as an
excess of pride (he/she has to prove him/herself worthy of me, and the
only way to do that is to accomplish these magnificent tasks to match
my own magnificence). While pride is still a character flaw it
doesn't need to imply either bitter or twisted - especially if BOTH
sides are making the same sort of demands. Maybe they really DO
deserve each other...


Paul Burke

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Nov 2, 2001, 3:43:34 AM11/2/01
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Rilla Heslin wrote:

> I had heard that "Scarborough Fair" was a witch finding song. That if
> any woman could do any of the tasks mentioned that she would be deemed a
> witch and burned. So that was the intent I used when I sang it. Though
> there is probably as many different ideas about the *why's* of the song
> and there are versions.
>

Since the tasks are impossible, and meant to be, it would account for
the absence of witches burned in England in the last 500 years. Or
perhaps that's better explained by the fact that the penalty for
witchcraft in England was death by hanging (if you lasted long enough in
the jails of the time), and was invoked all too often, notably in the
first half of the 17th century.

Paul Burke

David Kilpatrick

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Nov 2, 2001, 12:16:24 PM11/2/01
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Paul Burke wrote:
>
> Rilla Heslin wrote:
>
> > I had heard that "Scarborough Fair" was a witch finding song. That if
> > any woman could do any of the tasks mentioned that she would be deemed a
> > witch and burned. So that was the intent I used when I sang it. Though
> > there is probably as many different ideas about the *why's* of the song
> > and there are versions.
> >
>
Rory McGrath's excellent TV programme about the song, with Martin Carthy
providing most of the interview material, explains the origins. In fact
the tasks refer appear to refer to unique aspects of the geography of
Scarborough; if you've ever been there when the tide is out, you'll have
experienced that acre of land between salt water and sea strand (or 'dry
land' for people who are happy to rhyme a word with itself!). Even so he
drew no real conclusions, other than that Scarborough, England, was
consistent with the words and the timing of the old fair which was in
fact held on that stretch of dry sand at a season when the sea is far out.

As for the rest, nonsense riddles and challenges are so common they need
not always be linked to superstition. The origins of the song pre-date
witch hysteria anyway.

David

Decelaraptor

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Nov 2, 2001, 4:30:00 PM11/2/01
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Perhaps a bit late to de-lurk, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned my
favorite spooky folk song, Touchstone's "Susana Martin."

I'd also like to add Gordon Lightfoot's "Ghosts of Old Cape Horn" and Al
Stewart's song about the Marie Celeste, who's title sadly escapes me at
the moment. Haven't heard either of them in years, since I have them
both on LP:-/


simon

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rj...@aol.comnospam (Bob Graham) wrote in message news:<20011028095212...@mb-fa.aol.com>...
> "Black Magic Gun" by Tom Rush
> "With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm" by Cheryl Wheeler
> "Foggy, Foggy Dew" by John Roberts and Tony Barrand

> "The Worms Crawl In, the Worms Crawl Out" never heard a recording but fondly
> remember it from my childhood.
>
> Bob G.

didn't the Pogues do that song about worms?

Bob Graham

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Nov 3, 2001, 9:02:46 AM11/3/01
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>There must be umpteen versions of that one.
>
>Anybody want to share a few?

Just to get us started...

"D'yah ever see a hearse go by
And think that you'd be the next to die
They wrap you up in a bloody sheet
And throw you down about 6 feet deep
Then all goes well for 'bout a week
Until your casket springs a leak
The worms crawl in the worms crawl out
The worms play pinnocle on your snout
And them one worm who's not so shy
Goes in one ear and out one eye
Your liver turns a misty green
Your guts pour out like shaving cream
You put it on a piece of bread
And that's what you eat when you are dead
Please pass the gravy."

Abby Sale

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Nov 3, 2001, 5:39:21 PM11/3/01
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JesiAna

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Nov 3, 2001, 9:57:34 PM11/3/01
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<< I'd also like to add Gordon Lightfoot's "Ghosts of Old Cape Horn" >>

I never thought of this as a spooky song, exactly; to me, "Yarmouth Castle" is
spookier...but "Ghosts" is a fine song indeed.

Dave Hunt

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Nov 4, 2001, 6:25:08 PM11/4/01
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>Subject: Re: The Worms Crawl In (was:What's Your Favourite Spooky Folk Song?)
>From: rj...@aol.comnospam (Bob Graham)
>Date: 03/11/01 14:02 GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <20011103090246...@mb-fa.aol.com>


'A hundred years from now'

as sung by my friend, and working partner for twenty three years... the late
Vic Baker [Professor Wingnut, of Dr. Sunshines Pavement Show]

Do you ever think as the hearse rolls by
That some day you will have to die,
Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh where shall we be in a hundred years from now

They wrap you up in a big white frock
and screw you down in wooden box
Oh, Oh, etc,...

They dress you up in a big white shirt
Then over your coffin they shovel dirt
Oh. Oh...etc

They shovel in earth, they shovel in rocks,
They don't even care if it breaks your box
Oh Oh etc....

The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
They goes in thin and they comes out stout
Oh, Oh,...etc...

Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come trickling down your snout
Oh, Oh, etc...

Your tongue turns blue, your skin turns green
Your pus is thick with gangerene ! [Yuk]
Oh Oh etc

Repeat first verse....[if you must!!!]

[tune: First line just like part of the Teddy Bears Picnic [how apt!]
ie 'If you go down in the woods today'
second line repeats same melodic phrase,
Oh, Oh. Oh . Oh. is on a descending minor scale.Where shall we be etc...The
Dead March From Saul]

luvverly!
Dave Hunt [aka Dr. Sunshine]


Dave Hunt...Shropshire
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Pete

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Nov 4, 2001, 9:43:10 PM11/4/01
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How about this one?
BEDLAM BOYS

For to see Mad Tom of Bedlam
Ten thousand miles I traveled
Mad Maudlin goes on dirty toes
For to save her shoes from gravel.

Still I sing bonny boys, bonny mad boys
Bedlam boys are bonny
For they all go bare and they live by the air
And they want no drink or money.

I now repent that ever
Poor Tom was so disdain-ed
My wits are lost since him I crossed
Which makes me thus go chained

I went down to Satan's kitchen
For to get me food one morning
And there I got souls piping hot
All on the spit a-turning

There I took up a caldron
Where boiled ten thousand harlots
Though full of flame I drank the same
To the health of all such varlets

My staff has murdered giants
My bag a long knife carries
For to cut mince pies from children's thighs
And feed them to the fairies

The spirits white as lightening
Would on me travels guide me
The stars would shake and the moon would quake
Whenever they espied me

No gypsy, slut or doxy
Shall win my mad Tom from me
I'll weep all night, with stars I'll fight
The fray shall well become me

And when that I'll be murdering
The Man in the Moon to the powder
His staff I'll break, his dog I'll shake
And there'll howl no demon louder

So drink to Tom of Bedlam
Go fill the seas in barrels
I'll drink it all, well brewed with gall
And maudlin drunk I'll quarrel

For to see Mad Tom of Bedlam
Ten thousand years I have traveled
Mad Maudlin goes on dirty toes
For to save her shoes from gravel.

Pete
My woodworking site is at: http://peterhyde.mybravenet.com
My home page is at: http://hometown.aol.com/petetukit

jkr

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Nov 5, 2001, 12:00:55 AM11/5/01
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Very late, but oh well: "Famous Flower of Serving Men". Martin Carthy's
singing of that one always gives me the chills.

Tam Lin, of course. And "The Dreadful Ghost".

jkr


bogus address

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Nov 5, 2001, 11:56:48 AM11/5/01
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> as sung by my friend, and working partner for twenty three years... the
> late Vic Baker [Professor Wingnut, of Dr. Sunshines Pavement Show]

> [tune: First line just like part of the Teddy Bears Picnic [how apt!]


> ie 'If you go down in the woods today' second line repeats same melodic
> phrase, Oh, Oh. Oh . Oh. is on a descending minor scale.Where shall we
> be etc...The Dead March From Saul]

Hmm. Round here it goes to "Bide Ye Yet" (and there are interesting
historical reasons why) - same rhythm as The Teddy Bears' Picnic but
a completely different tune.

Paul L. Madarasz

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Nov 7, 2001, 7:30:32 PM11/7/01
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:11:35 -0600, Estron <est...@tfs.net> wrote,
perhaps among other things...:

>Previously on rec.music.folk, Manfred Helfert wrote:
>
>> What about Buffy Sainte-Marie's "The Vampire"...?
>> That one's really eery and spooky...
>
>That Buffy Sainte-Marie has written (or performed) a song entitled "The
>Vampire" is, to me, an interesting coincidence. I happen to be a fan of
>a TV series called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," which is about an
>American teenager who is called to a destiny of battling supernatural
>evil -- even though (at the time) she was much more interested in
>clothes and boys.
>
>Every now and then, someone sneers "What kind of a name is 'Buffy'?
>Nobody is really named 'Buffy'!" I usually refer them to Ms. Sainte-
>Marie.

Yabbut... her given name is Barbara. So she's not *really* named
Buffy.
--
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Frederick Oxfordshire UK

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Nov 11, 2001, 5:04:10 AM11/11/01
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I'd completely fogotten to add one to my earlier post:

June Tabor's rendition of The Waterson's "Scarecrow" - it's full of
pagan inuendo and absolutely brilliant!

Frederick (Oxfordshire UK)

Annie Walker

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Nov 14, 2001, 11:31:05 AM11/14/01
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"> Yabbut... her given name is Barbara. So she's not *really* named
> Buffy.
> --
> Paul L. Madarasz
> Tucson, Baja Arizona


And the TV character's name is really "Elizabeth". So she's not *really*
named Buffy.

Annie :-)


LouKrieger

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Nov 14, 2001, 12:22:44 PM11/14/01
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>> Subject: Re: Buffy Sainte-Marie and "The Vampire"
From: "Annie Walker" awv...@hotmail.com

And the TV character's name is really "Elizabeth". So she's not *really* named
Buffy. <<

But that's what Spike calls her. And he's in love with her, so he should know.


David Rintoul

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Nov 14, 2001, 6:31:56 PM11/14/01
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If you walk up behind her and say Buffy, she'll turn around, so it must be
her name!

Dave

Annie Walker wrote:

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Estron

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Nov 15, 2001, 9:33:29 AM11/15/01
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Previously on rec.music.folk, Annie Walker wrote:

> And the TV character's name is really "Elizabeth". So she's not *really*
> named Buffy.

There is no authority for that assertion.

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