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Steeleye span lyrics query: "club or mell"

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Fred Curtis

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Nov 8, 1994, 7:08:38 PM11/8/94
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Steeleye Span are a favourite group of mine, but often their
lyrics are a bit hard to make out. I've recently discovered a
wonderful resource - the Digital Traditon WWW page at
http://web2.xerox.com/digitrad. It helped with the SS song
"The Blacksmith", in which every recording I have Maddy Prior
sings:
"And where has my love gone with his cheeks like roses?
He's gone across the sea, gathering <mumbled syllable> roses".

Which turned out to be 'primroses'. Thinking I was on to a good
thing, I checked out 'King Henry', to find out what the fiend's
nose was being compared to - in the song it sounds like "club or
mell". Unfortunately, according to the DT WWW page, that's
exactly what it is:

Her teeth were like the tether stakes
Her nose like club or mell
And nothing less she seemed to be
Than a fiend that comes from Hell

So, does anyone know what on earth a 'mell' is?
Cheers,
-Fred Curtis.
--
"He heard the rattling of strange bone instruments & the whine of
cursed flutes" -- Brian Lumley: "The Clock of Dreams"

jo...@netcom.com

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Nov 9, 1994, 11:08:53 AM11/9/94
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Fred Curtis (fr...@cs.su.oz.au) wrote:


> So, does anyone know what on earth a 'mell' is?

Just a guess: it's probably related to the Latin "malleus," hammer. We
have other words derived from that root in modern English, like "maul,"
which, when it's a noun, means a big sledge-hammer-like thing. I would
hazard that a "mell" is a large blunt striking tool of some sort.

(Wow. Four years of high-school Latin finally came in handy for
something, a quarter of a century after the fact.)
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GreeneKing

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Nov 9, 1994, 9:55:33 AM11/9/94
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No idea what a mell is, but those lyrics--or some very similar-- appear in
Martin Carthy's "King Knapperty" from the Crown of Horn LP: "his teeth
they were like tethering stakes, his nose was three foot long..."

John Peekstok

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Nov 10, 1994, 9:19:13 AM11/10/94
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Fred Curtis (fr...@cs.su.oz.au) wrote:

: Steeleye Span are a favourite group of mine, but often their


: lyrics are a bit hard to make out.

: Thinking I was on to a good


: thing, I checked out 'King Henry', to find out what the fiend's
: nose was being compared to - in the song it sounds like "club or
: mell". Unfortunately, according to the DT WWW page, that's
: exactly what it is:

: Her teeth were like the tether stakes
: Her nose like club or mell
: And nothing less she seemed to be
: Than a fiend that comes from Hell

: So, does anyone know what on earth a 'mell' is?

I've always assumed it to be an old and/or regional pronunciation of the
word "maul" which is a large hammer used as a weapon.
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m...@wpo.nerc.ac.uk

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Nov 11, 1994, 9:25:50 AM11/11/94
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In article <Cyz4E...@ucc.su.OZ.AU> fr...@cs.su.oz.au (Fred Curtis) writes:
>Subject: Steeleye span lyrics query: "club or mell"
>From: fr...@cs.su.oz.au (Fred Curtis)
>Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:08:38 GMT

The Oxford English Dictionary defines mell as:

"A heavy hammer or beetle of metal or wood; a mace or club; also a chairman's
hammer", and lists 8 quotations using it from 1300 to 1897.

And before anyone asks, OED lists beetle (apart from the creepy variety) as:

"Implement consisting of a heavy weight or 'head' usually of wood with a
handle or stock, used for driving wedges or pegs............"

An alternative spelling of mell is mall, which is defined as "mace or wooden
club......."

All clear now I trust!

Mark Venn

Graham Taylor

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Nov 11, 1994, 6:16:58 PM11/11/94
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In article: <39qnt5$o...@newsbf01.news.aol.com> green...@aol.com

"Her teeth were like the tether stakes,


Her nose like club or mell"

appears in King Henry on Below The Salt (from the lyrics on the
sleeve). It sounds a variation on the same song. Unfortunately I too
have no idea what they mean.

Graham Taylor

James Prescott

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Nov 12, 1994, 3:39:31 AM11/12/94
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jo...@netcom.com wrote:
: Fred Curtis (fr...@cs.su.oz.au) wrote:

: > So, does anyone know what on earth a 'mell' is?

: Just a guess: it's probably related to the Latin "malleus," hammer. We
: have other words derived from that root in modern English, like "maul,"

Hole in one.

Maul it is.

James Prescott (ja...@nucleus.com)

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