Urgh. _Donovan_ sang this? Well, OK...
"Dona, Dona, Dona"
by Aaron Zeitlin
Yiddish English
Oyfn furl ligt a kelbl On a wagon, bound for market
Ligt gebundn mit a shtrik Lies a calf with a mournful eye.
Hoych in himl flit a shvelbl, High above him, there's a swallow,
Freyt zich, dreyt zich, hin un ts'rik. Flying freely through the sky.
Chorus: Lacht der vint in korn, How the winds are laughing;
Lacht un lacht un lacht. They laugh with all their might.
Lacht er op a tog a gantsn Lauqh and laugh the whole day through
Un a halbe nacht. And halfway through the night.
Dona, dona, dona, Dona etc.
Dona dona dona da -
Dona, dona, dona,
Dona dona dona da.
Shrayt dos kelbl, zogt der poyer, Stop complaining, said the farmer,
Verzhe heyst dir zayn a kelb? Who told you a calf to be?
Volst gekent doch zayn a foygl, Why don't you have wings to fly with,
Volst gekent doch zayn a shvalb. Like the swallow so proud and free.
(Chorus) (Chorus)
Bidne kelber tut men bindn Calves are easily bound and slaughtered
Un men shlept zey un men shecht, Never knowing the reason why;
Ver s'hot fligl, flit aroyftsu, But whoever treasures freedom,
Iz ba keynem nit kayn knecht. Like a swallow must learn to fly.
(Chorus) (Chorus)
Eric Berge
Donovan?! Thankfully, I've only heard Joan Baez's version.
Mary
Transcribed by Dexter N. Muir <D.N....@massey.ac.nz>
DONNA DONNA
Am E Am E
On a wagon, bound for Market
Am Dm Am E7 Am
Sits a calf with a mournful eye,
E Am E
High above him is a swallow
Am Dm Am E Am
Winging swiftly through the sky.
CH:
G C
All the winds are laughing,
G C
They laugh with all their might,
G C E7 Am
Laugh and laugh the whole day through,
E7 Am
And half the Summer's night.
E E7 Am
Donna Donna Donna Donna
Dm Am
Donna Donna Donna Don
E E7 Am
Donna Donna Donna Donna
E Am
Donna Donna Donna Don
"Stop complaining", said the farmer,
"Who told you a calf to be?
Why don't you have wings to fly with
Like the swallow so proud and free?"
Ch.
Calves are easily bound and slaughtered,
Never knowing the reason why.
He amongst us who values freedom,
Like the swallow has learned to fly.
Ch.
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"Donna, Donna" as performed in versions by Joan Baez and Donovan is a
translation of a Yiddish theatre song from the 1930s written by Aaron Zeitlin
and Shalom Secunda.
The Klezmer Conservatory Band does a version in the original Yiddish on
OY CHANUKAH (Rounder).
Mike Regenstreif
"Folk Roots/Folk Branches" on CKUT in Montreal
mre...@vax2.concordia.ca
Dona Dona Dona reminds me that there's one thread that I've always
wanted to start. Does anyone else have a list of songs that they'd be
happy if they never hear again? If the thread gets going then there's
only one rule:
***** Since it's statistically guaranteed that sooner or later someone
is going to mention one of *your* favorite songs, we must all agree not
to take offense. *****
What reminded me, of course, is Dona Dona Dona, which is squarely on my
list. Whiney, boring, and depressing. Also, for starters:
o House of the Rising Sun
o Cotton Fields (Trini Lopez delivered the coup de grace on this one)
Again, I mean no offense to everyone who adores these songs. Feel free
to insult my favorite songs.
Regards,
Jim Dalin
> "Donna, Donna" as performed in versions by Joan Baez and Donovan is a
> translation of a Yiddish theatre song from the 1930s written by Aaron Zeitlin
> and Shalom Secunda.
I have a reference for "Donna, Donna" as by Secunda, Kevess, and
Schwartz? Seems to be the same words.
Gael
gswe...@syr.edu
http://users.aol.com/gaelmcgear/gaelpage.html
"If there is a light at the end of the tunnel, it's the light of an
oncoming train."
Robert Lowell
> o House of the Rising Sun
Well, you hit one of my favorites! Do you dislike the song, or some
particular version or rendition of it?
If it isn't limited to folk music, then my entry would be "Linda
Paloma" by Jackson Browne. Everything else on that album is great,
but I hate Linda Paloma so badly that it's become a generic term for a
song I hate.
Emily
>Does it have to be folk? If no, then ANYTHING by Mariah Carey. If it has to
>be folk, then I'm sorry I broke the rules.
IMHO, Mariah Carey is still a great singer although she veers toward
pyrotechnics. That style may not be to your liking but it is musically
advanced and hard to execute.
Frank
>What reminded me, of course, is Dona Dona Dona, which is squarely on my
>list. Whiney, boring, and depressing. Also, for starters:
Don't agree. It's actually a very positive song. As to depressing,
that, like beauty is in the ear of the beholder. The Joan Baez
treatment may have something to do with your view. The song is about
faith of Jewish people during a trying time, (The Holocaust) which one
needs to be depressed about. I like to do the song up-tempo with a
frailech beat which gives it a different flavor without changing it's
meaning.
> o House of the Rising Sun
Which version? There are many. The Animals popularized it but by no
means gave the definitive version of it. Josh White to Roy Acuff has
recorded it. If you mean the Animals version, than I might agree.
> o Cotton Fields (Trini Lopez delivered the coup de grace on this one)
I happen to like Leadbelly's verson of this song. He was the
original. Odetta did this with Larry Sparks on the album they did at
the Tin Angel in San Francisco. I thought it a good performance.
>Again, I mean no offense to everyone who adores these songs. Feel free
>to insult my favorite songs.
No problem in insulting songs but I think that reasons are needed and
not just venting.
Frank
>treatment may have something to do with your view. The song is about
>faith of Jewish people during a trying time, (The Holocaust) which one
>needs to be depressed about.
It was written 10 years BEFORE the holocaust.
> In article <009A9EF1...@vax2.concordia.ca>
> mre...@vax2.concordia.ca (MIKE REGENSTREIF) writes:
>
> > "Donna, Donna" as performed in versions by Joan Baez and Donovan is a
> > translation of a Yiddish theatre song from the 1930s written by Aaron Zeitlin
> > and Shalom Secunda.
>
> I have a reference for "Donna, Donna" as by Secunda, Kevess, and
> Schwartz? Seems to be the same words.
>
>
> Gael
>
Dear Gael---
Shalom Secunda wrote the music to "Donna Donna," while Aaron
Zeitlin wrote the original Yiddish lyrics. I assume that Kevess and
Schwartz are responsible for the English language translation.
Kindest regards,
Steve Suffet
New York City
Yeah, when ya hang with bluegrass crowds, there's some tunes that get
really old. Orange Blossom is one definately...but, then along comes a
very hot young fiddler, and there you are, tapping yer toes!
I personally love Over the Waterfall, but can do without Earl's
Breakdown (all due respect), Rocky Top, Cripple Creek and Boil 'em
Cabbage Down!
In the folk ilk, I don't EVER want to hear Suzanne, Blowin in the Wind,
The Garden Song, Greensleeves, Tom Dooley, Riddle Song, or Michael
Row...
I had pulled an all-nighter at one festival, and as we sat by the fading
fire, the sun began to greet the day, and the birds began to sing. There
was enough light now to look upon the tired yet musically energized
faces. Someone began to play a guitar instrumental, a most gorgeous good
morning melody. Oh, what a feeling! Then...a few people began to sway,
and as soon as there was a break in the instrumental tune, (someone with
eyes firmly and mystically rolled back in their head,) began to sing
Michael Row...ect.... I knew then it was time for bed!
No offense to anyone, I hope.
-terri
Banks of the Ohio (by ANYONE!!!)
The song actually dates to 1938 which was just before the Holocaust.
It was, however, an era of extreme anti-Semitism in pre-WWII Nazi Germany which
was also a very trying time for the Jewish people. I first heard the song at
summer camp in the early-60s and even before I knew the context of where it
came from found a resonance in it that haunted me then and now. And it was
the Joan Baez recording that was the source for those summer camp singalongs of
more than 30 years ago.
> >>What reminded me, of course, is Dona Dona Dona, which is squarely on my
> >>list. Whiney, boring, and depressing. Also, for starters:
Take a peek at the songlist on my web page. There's a parody of Dona Dona there I'm
becoming infamous for in some local (DC) folk circles.
-- Gary
--
"Gorgeous" Gary Ehrlich
The Guava Grove at Electro's Hideaway
http://www.access.digex.net/~electro/electro.html
I'm game!
John Gorka 'I know"
'Love is our cross to bear'
Well, mostly anything Gorka...
Not Folk, but anything by the Beatles...
Christine LAvin "cold pizza for breakfast"
Sally Rogers "Planxty Fanny Powers"
Greg Brown 'Daughters'
Silly Wizard 'Broom of the Cowden Knowes'
David Mssengill "my Name Joe"
And many more...
Enid
Rob
Anyone singing "Joe Hill"
John McCutcheon's "Where Were You When" and "Happy Adoption Day"
Si Kahn's "Gone, Gonna Rise Again," "What You Do With What You've Got" and
"Crossing the Border"
Tom Paxton's "Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound" and "The Honor of Your
Company"
Sally Fingerett singing "Wake Up and Dream"
Ask me about show music, classical and jazz too. <g>
--
Brett
Here's a definite: I forget who, but the title "The Lone Ranger"...
It had an 'Indian war chant' in it: if you listen carefully, it has in it
the longest place name in the world:
TAUMATAWHAKATANGIHANGAKOAUAUATAMATEATURIPUKAKAPIKIMAUNGAHORONUKUPOKAIWHENUAKI
TANATAHU.
Translated (Maori): The resting-place on a hillside where Tamatea, the man
with big (weak) kness, played his nose-flute to his loved one.
Pronunciation: vowels individually are as per French, dually elided. WH is an
F without teeth...
It's a place about 50 miles (80km) East line-of-sight from where I live,
though NZ's geography being what it is it's100 miles'travel to get there :-)
I had the song removed from Radio NZ's playlists as a cultural mess, though
I still hear it once in a while on private stations, and it GRATES every
time...
Sounds familiar. The next time somebody requests "anything by CSN", I'm gonna
pop 'em one. (Dylan requests are OK; I play "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine".)
I can beg off "Puff" on the pretext that I don't remember where all those
words go.
I *really* never want to hear "Fire and Rain" again, personally---I have the
feeling I'm the only person in the world who feels that way, though.
NT
--
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Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA http://www.qualcomm.com/~ntenny/
The rec.pets.herp FAQ lives at http://www.qualcomm.com/~ntenny/herps/FAQ.html
Could also do without hearing any more versions of "Jesu Joy of Man's
Desiring" played on hammered dulcimers.
Peace.
Paul
> I *really* never want to hear "Fire and Rain" again, personally---I
> have the feeling I'm the only person in the world who feels that way,
> though.
No, you're not...the "Best of the '60s, '70s, '80s and Today" stations
all seem to have decided that this is the only song James Taylor ever
wrote. Just ONCE I'd like to hear anything else...like maybe "Knockin'
Around The Zoo." (Yeah, right.)
Happy trails,
Larry B.
"Loving You", by again-I-forget-the-name; a lady with a 5-octave range...
(she died some years ago; a Black soul singer)
(Even '60s bubblegum-rock is easier to listen to!)
The theme song from "Barney"...
Songs I really don't want to PLAY any more: "Puff, the Magic Dragon"...
More later, as I think of them...
Mary the Filker
Mary the Filker
(Sometimes remembered as Chu Lai, You're a Woman)
Oh, no, you're not. Count me in.
On the subject of songs too often requested, a certain coffeehouse crowd
I used to play for requested "One Tin Soldier" so many times I can't
even listen to it anymore. I'm also pretty tired of "anything by Cat
Stevens".
--
Jacob Mattison matt...@dolphin.upenn.edu
Department of Fine Arts University of Pennsylvania
perhaps some chocolate chip cookies and milk
I'm sure the VN vets who read this understand.
>Hmmm..."Honey", by I-forget-whom ("See the tree, how big it's grown...")
>(Bobby Vinton?)
Bobby Goldsboro
>Hmmm..."Honey", by I-forget-whom ("See the tree, how big it's grown...")
>(Bobby Vinton?)
Bobby Goldsboro. I heard a hell of a parody on this song once, but I
can't remember what it was about or who did it.
>"Loving You", by again-I-forget-the-name; a lady with a 5-octave range...
>(she died some years ago; a Black soul singer)
Minnie Ripperton
<snip>
I hope that I've helped supply useful information which everyone
desperately needed.
;-) Jeri
I would also like to add Cheryl Wheeler's "Arrow" to that list, and Nanci's
version of "Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm bound" though I think that was
on someone's "Songs I never want to hear again" list by another singer.
Nanci Griffith: More Than a Whisper, Love at the Five and Dime,
Tecumseh Valley
Patti Larkin: Tango, Justine
Indigo Girls: Closer to Fine
>If it isn't limited to folk music, then my entry would be "Linda
>Paloma" by Jackson Browne. Everything else on that album is great,
>but I hate Linda Paloma so badly that it's become a generic term for a
>song I hate.
Heh, I like everything on "The Pretender", including Linda Paloma,
but I know what you mean about how songs can almost ruin great
albums. The Byrds "Younger Than Yesterday" is mind-blowingly
wonderful, but as short as it is, I can't enjoy it if I listen
to "CTA 102" (c'mon guys, enough acid already) and "Mind Gardens"
(sort of interesting, but ultimately just annoying). Those
qualify for me.
Rob T
Whoa! I was listening to "Wall of Death" when I started reading your
article! I must agree: I love and never get tired of that song.
I can also listen over and over to Fairport's _Liege and Lief_, from
the beginning to the end. About a year ago, I learned to play "Crazy
Man Michael" on my 12-string, fingerstyle, with a decent imitation of
Swarb's fiddle and Thommo's guitar solos. (I've had much less luck
with imitating Sandy's soaring voice...) It has been my routine to
begin my day by playing that song. It feels so good!
Steve Earle... I never get tired of just about anything by him. He and
Thompson are the two best songwriters currently active, IMHO.
As for the songs I wish I'd never hear again...
--Anything by the Grateful Dead, after 1971. Very much like eating a
bucket of soggy, overcooked pasta of many colors...
--Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". An overwrought and whiny song that
was overplayed and overpraised by too many of my friends during my
undergrad years.
--Hiroshi
--
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Tcs AZ 85721 hiroshi@u. | feel like they were heaven sent
arizona.edu http://www. | Paper wings, not real at all, but they took me
u.arizona.edu/~hiroshi | high enough to really fall -- Gillian Welch
We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun, then I lost my lunch.
All time worst without a doubt the ultimate truism
unmusically
Kevin
--
Dick Dowell r...@dtc.hp.com
BTW - The Gambler I could do without. It really didn't begin to irritate
me until after the 8000 or so repetition.
>Dick Dowell wrote:
>>
>> "Honey" has to be near the top of the list.
Darn it, I hadn't thought about that damned song in years. Now you've
made me think of it. Ugh.
It was the comment on "Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound" that
clinched it, though... I like Tom Paxton, and he's written many good
songs.
The Austin Lounge Lizards rip this song apart on one of their albums, but I
can't remember which one. Buy em all, there's only 6 or so.
8^)
Gary
Bobby Goldsboro
"Loving You", by again-I-forget-the-name; a lady with a 5-octave range...
(she died some years ago; a Black soul singer)
That was Minnie Ripperton.
"The Bedmaking" as sung by Martin Carthy. (several others too, but too
tired to think tonight)
"The Little Heathy Hill", as played by Phil Cooper & Diane Ippel, or Nic
Jones, or anyone else out there who plays it.
"We Shall Overcome"
Just off the top o' my head.
Peace.
Paul
I *really* never want to hear "Fire and Rain" again, personally---I
have the feeling I'm the only person in the world who feels that way,
though.
No, there's two of us. Hate it hate it hate it!!!!!!!!!
Also, Yesterday.
Regards,
Ron Taylor
Brisbane, Ca
fat...@ix.netcom.com
I used to feel that way about "MacArthur Park", as both the music and the
lyrics are really ridiculous, and it was played constantly. Someone on NPR had
an informal contest to name the worst pop song ever and "Macarthur Park" won
(the works of Leslie Gore won as a lifetime achievement of sorts).
Now I feel that is a real milestone in bad pop- something in exponentially
worse than 'yummy,yummy,yummy, I got love in my tummy...". Soemthing so bad,
in short, that I kind of respect "MacArthur Park".
Deborah
Mary
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Deborah Kapell wrote:
(snip)
Peace.
Paul
>
>Sibyl (si...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >Sally Rogers "Planxty Fanny Powers"
>
Sorry, but you messed up the atrtribution here... I'm the one who put
that as a song I'd never tire of hearing.... we had that played at our
wedding as our first dance together... I have such fond memories
("David, you're stepping on my dress.... Get off my hem!!! It's gonna
rip, really")
Enid
YES! I remember when I first heard Sally play this at a concert we
sponsored at the Kirkwood Community Center in St. Louis. The rest of the
show was wonderful, but "Fanny Power" was absolutely riveting. A spare,
unadorned performance that was perfect in the way a Casals cello solo was
perfect. When it came out on record a year later it was lovely, but the
live performance was one of the musical experiences of a lifetime.
: Tom Russell--Blue Wing
or "Navaho Rug"...
: Norman & Nancy Blake--Last Train from Poor Valley
YES again; Norman did this one solo here in St. Louis in 1972, when he'd
just written it (and before he revised the lyrics). Another of the songs
that should live on forever if there is any justice.
Pardon me for the me-too postings, but you've brought up songs that will
be in my heart as long as I live.
Peace.
Paul
SW>I heard the same thing done in Miami with "Light My Fire" by the Doors, and
>then EVERY cover ever done of it. Considering those are the only lyrics
>(practically) anyway, it made for a really tedious car ride.
I love the Doors but could go a lifetime without hearing "LMF" again
too. I could easily avoid Dylan's "All the Tired Horses." Another
one-line song...'Course now I can't get it out of my brain. ;)
Larry Pattis
: YES! I remember when I first heard Sally play this at a concert we
: sponsored at the Kirkwood Community Center in St. Louis. The rest of the
The NEXT time that you have Sally Rodgers come to St Louis, PLEASE let the
list know.
Keith Dunnigan (in the St. Louis area also)
Yeah but I heard he plays an ovation. :-)
Kevin
...and this would be a *bad* thing because.....?
Larry B., looking at Ovations with a newly critical eye
> guitar nonetheless. Since Kevin & I disagree about the *quality* of
> plastic guitars, he has taken this opportunity to try and abuse me
Larry Pattis can dish it out but he can't take it
Kevin
>>>>>LPattis wrote:
>
> Just about anything by TR Ritchie, a fellow who ought to be discussed on
> this group more often. "Back in the Days" and "Whitebark" from his
first
> CD, "Changing of the Guard". His latest CD, "Homeground" is simply a
> treasure.
>
> Larry Pattis
Yeah but I heard he plays an ovation. :-)
Kevin>>>>>
First of all, TR plays a Taylor. Not my favorite builder, but a good
guitar nonetheless. Since Kevin & I disagree about the *quality* of
plastic guitars, he has taken this opportunity to try and abuse me
publicly. Fine, but don't mislead people, Mr. Kelly. If you want to
tangle with me, let's do it privately, not on a usenet group where your
commentary is misleading at best.
Larry Pattis
I'm sure there's more, but they pop into my head.
Jessie
Could have been worse...could have been an all-day "In A Gadda Da Vida"
festival (sorry, but I had to put it in perspective...and I actually
liked Iron Butterfly's NON-hits).
Seriously, I think that ANY song can be driven into the ground if you
hear it too much. For instance, I LIKE "Fire and Rain", but I think I
would grow to hate it if I heard it every day. I like SOME John Denver
(NOT "Rocky Mountain High", but that's must my own tastes). On the other
hand, radio stations used to play some folk-pop songs into
the ground for weeks at a time. I found myself waking up better to those
stations, because I wanted to be able to turn off the radio quicker...
: Amazing Grace. In 30 years I have yet to hear a version I don't like.
: Skip-2-m'lou 8^)#
Dave
Happy trails,
Larry B.