All Around My Hat
shay_t...@magic-sw.com
Hi all!
I would like to gather as much information about the song as
possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
, performers, discography etc.
The only version we have here is the well known Steelye Span,
but I believe there are mor versions of it.
Any information will be appreciated.
Best regards
Shay Tochner
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Timothy Jaques
There is a dreadful (IMHO) version sung by Diane Oxner on an old LP from
the 1960's which alleges that it is found in the Helen Creighton collection
in a Nova Scotia version. (The album is a collection of folk songs found in
Nova Scotia) It is far too "classically" done, with no warning on the album
cover as to the type of album it is. You might look in the Creighton
collection to see if the lyrics are in there; I don't have the collection
at hand. The Nova Scotia version is not like Steeleye Span's -- it doesn't
have a repeating chorus, as I recall. I detested the version so much that
I haven't listened to it in years but if it is important to you I will do
so again and e-mail you the lyrics. Otherwise look in the Creighton
collection.
The Mollies on their CD "Hat Trick" did a version, uptempo like Steeleye
Span's, and with a chorus like Steeleye Span's. The Mollies are
Tex-Mex-Celtic from the southwest U.S.
There is somewhere a reference to this song in Dickens. I think, but will
not warrant, that it is to be found somewhere in one of the essays or
stories in "Sketches by Boz".
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shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote in article
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Lanna1
>I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>
>possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>
>, performers, discography etc.
>
>The only version we have here is the well known Steelye Span,
>
>but I believe there are mor versions of it.
>
>
>
The group The Whole Shabang does a pretty good version in what they call their
"Whole Shabang Choir Boys" mode. I'm not sure where you can get their c.d.s,
but I can tell you that you can find lyrics and some more info about the song
itself at Digital Tradition
http://www.deltablues.com/folksearch.html
Alana.
Jansill
>shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote:
>
>> I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>> possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>> , performers, discography etc.
It may be worth your while to read about the significance of the "Green Willow"
in Robert Graves' THE WHITE GODDESS. The word Willow has the same root as the
words Witch and wicked. Also the Willow is a symbol of unrequited love. There
may be some old magical association with it and the fact that the speaker
wears it around his hat may be seen as a sign of the loss of love mentioned in
the song and some sort of spell being cast on the "false deluded young man"
who can say??
Jay Ansill
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Gary J. Ehrlich
shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote:
> I would like to gather as much information about the song as
> possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
> , performers, discography etc.
There's an interesting version on the Poor Clares' first CD RESURRECTED
LOVER...with blues/cajun influences.
-- Gary
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Christin Keck
You will find more information if you look up the song under the title
"Tri-Coloured Ribbon." It's an Irish rebel song. I have several versions of
it, slightly different from Steeleye Span's, all by Irish vocal groups such as
The Wolfetones, The Sackville Folk and the Dublin City Ramblers, who were
popular more than 20 years ago. Its origin is much older than that, though--so
look it up under both titles and you'll have more luck finding info.
shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>
> possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>
> , performers, discography etc.
>
> The only version we have here is the well known Steelye Span,
>
> but I believe there are mor versions of it.
>
> Any information will be appreciated.
>
> Best regards
>
> Shay Tochner
>
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Michael Perloff <mper...@pitt.edu> wrote in article
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>
> Can anyone tell me how or where to purchase Poozies CDs? What are the
> titles of their albums? what is the label?
Their home page:
http://www.cutting-tweed.demon.co.uk/poozies.htm
has details of how to order CDs (and other merchandise!)
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Mike Chase
In article <B0604FB1...@0.0.0.0>, Trevor Sommers <trevor@stirrins.
nojunk.demon.co.uk.?> writes
>In article <343A5F...@aei-potsdam.mpg.de.nospam>,
>Tom Goodale <goo...@aei-potsdam.mpg.de.nospam> wrote:
>
>>Subject: Re: All Around My Hat
>>From: Tom Goodale
>>Organization: Max-Plank-Institut Fur Gravitationphysik
>>Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:14:37 +0100
>>Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,uk.music.folk
>>
>>shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>>> possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>>> , performers, discography etc.
>>> The only version we have here is the well known Steelye Span,
>>> but I believe there are mor versions of it.
>>>
>>> Any information will be appreciated.
>>
>>(Or is it '... of The British Isles' ?) The tunes different from the
>>Steeleye Span version, as I remember. The book has notes on the tunes
>>so may give you some idea of the origin. I'd look in my copy but it's
>>currently in a box waiting to be shipped out to me 8-(
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>Tom
>
>I have recently come across the Status Quo version. Really!
>
>Trevor from stirrings
>
>
>
>
It probably doesn't sound a great deal different, except for maddys
voice of course. It was one of the most appalling songs ever recorded by
Steeleye Span. Give me Long Lankin anyday.
mike.
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Tom Goodale
Peter Wilton
Jansill <jan...@aol.com> writes
>Also the Willow is a symbol of unrequited love.
...which explains Shakespeare's Willow Song. Thanks, I always
wondered.
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Jim Champ
shay_t...@magic-sw.com wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>, performers, discography etc.
I've always thought that the Steeleye version was a concatenation of
two different songs... certainly I recall a Yetties(!) recording of a
song called "Farewell He" which was pretty much the same words as the
verse but no chorus...
The chorus on the other hand is much the same words as the traditional
"All Around my hat" which I have a copy of in Peter Kennedy's book
Folksongs of Britain & Ireland which notes it as being found in some
Chappell Editions of the 1830s and 1850s, and collected by (inter
alia) Baring Gould, 1895, Hammond (1906).
Of course its entirely possible the concatenation was traditional, not
by Steeleye, but its probably not unfair to say that by the time that
recording was made Ashley Hutchings "authentic/academic" leanings that
led to the formation of the band were less than a major influence...
Jim C
Jack Campin
Christin Keck <she...@concentric.net> writes:
> You will find more information if you look up the song under the title
> "Tri-Coloured Ribbon." It's an Irish rebel song.
It may have been *adapted* to be one but I cannot believe that it started
life that way. "Green" fits the metre of the tune naturally, "tricoloured"
is an awkward squeeze.
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shay_t...@magic-sw.com
In article <61gili$kka$1...@chlorine.compulink.co.uk>,
This looks like an accurate answer, nevertheless I recall I have seen
somewhere in the past that the song All Around my Hat origins sometimes
in the 17th century (around 1630-1650). I could never find this source
again.
Generally, I appreciate all the replies I got, each of them added some
valuable information to the full picture. Thanks for the great help of
everybody who replied.
Best regards
Shay Tochner
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kbooker
Derek Brimstone does a version along with a long(ish) into about how it
was an East End (of London, England) family tradition to start to sing
the song and break into a fight, with the result he never heard the whole
thing!
Paul
In a frenzy of creativity <aO77GMAZ...@orkazmik.demon.co.uk>, Mike
Chase <mi...@orkazmik.demon.co.uk> launched the following thought:
<snip>
> It was one of the most appalling songs ever recorded by
>Steeleye Span. Give me Long Lankin anyday.
> mike.
We used to call it 'All around Mike Batt'.
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George Hawes
Pete Brinton <bri...@brinton.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>I have recently come across the Status Quo version. Really!
>>
>I quote from the current tour programme.
>prior began with a traditional song called all around my hat which had a
>good chorus but boring verses. She retained only the title and chorus
>and added the verses of another song called farewell he. The verses and
>chorus contradict each other.
That confirms a theory I expounded once before on this NG (that
I thought, but wasn't certain, I'd heard the verses and chorus
as separate songs). Thanks
George
Timothy Jaques
According to the Digital Tradition at the Mudcat site, with respect to the
Steeleye Span version:
"Recorded by Steeleye Span on All Around My Hat.
Note: This hit the pop charts in England in 1975 and made
the Top Five, the highest chart placing ever for a traditional
song. An amalgam of Farewell He and All 'Round My Hat. It works,
though."
There are different versions in the database there, including the IRA one,
and a parody. I didn't look to see if Farewell He is in there too.
I didn't mind the Steeleye Span version. It's just meant to be a bit of
fun.
Timothy Jaques
I didn't write, the Digital Tradition did. But quite right. I shall
forward your correction to the Digital Tradition.
What about the Doodletown Fifers (something like that), the renamed civil
war piece that was a hit in the forties?
Cheers,
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Timothy Jaques tja...@netcom.ca
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
"Common sense is that set of prejudices we attain by the age of eighteen."
J.J.Farrell <j...@minn.dsbc.icl.co.uk> wrote in article
<61kb3r$vfr$1...@minn.dsbc.icl.co.uk>...
> In article <01bcd4fd$b065b080$6c58b5cf@default>,
> Timothy Jaques <tja...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> >
> >"Recorded by Steeleye Span on All Around My Hat.
> >Note: This hit the pop charts in England in 1975 and made
> >the Top Five, the highest chart placing ever for a traditional
> >song. An amalgam of Farewell He and All 'Round My Hat. It works,
> >though."
>
> Not the most accurate of comments - The Animals beat them to
> it in both timing and placing with "House of the Rising Sun"
> at Number 1 in the UK and USA charts in 1964.
> --
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> My opinions; I do not speak for my employer.
>
Ken Piper
In article <61dedn$916$1...@orthanc.reference.com>, shay_tochner@magic-
sw.com writes
>Hi all!
>
>I would like to gather as much information about the song as
>possible, source (traditional or songwriter), time when written
>, performers, discography etc.
>but I believe there are mor versions of it.
>
>Any information will be appreciated.
>
>
>Shay Tochner
>
>
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This version from
Bushes and Briars - An Anthology of Essex folk songs
D. Occomore and P Spratley
ISBN 0 906454 01 8
p1979
explanatory text quoted for context
============
THE GREEN WILLOW
A man had been put in the cage at Rayne Hall Green for some unrecorded
offence - perhaps the result of too much tiddley, and a crowd was
gathered round to listen to his yells inside. In vain he shouted and
kicked; the stout door was bolted and locked. At last, pushing through
the throng, came an elderly woman, determined to rescue her son. How she
did it is not clear but the fact remains that somehow she managed to
open the door. Out came the culprit and up the village street he went
with the old lady close behind him. To draw attention to herself and so
prevent any attempt at recapture, she sang the following ditty:
All round my hat I will wear the green willow
Ah round my hat for a twelvemonth and a day
If anybody asks me the reason why I wear it
It's all. because my true love is far far away.
Come all you people and listen to my ditty,
I'Il tell you how young Phoebe accused young William wrong
She said he had deceived her it sadly seem'd to grieve her
And thus alone one evening sang a mournful song.
O young men are false and they are so deceitful
Young men are false and they seldom prove true
For rambling and ranging their minds are always changing
They're always a looking for some girl that is true.
You false hearted young men you know you have deceived me
You false hearted young men you cause me to rue
My love it does grow older but never will grow colder
I wish'twould fade away like the morning dew.
O that I had but my own heart to keep it
O that I had but my own heart again
So close in my bosom I'd lock it up for ever
O never would I ramble so far far again.
For many a long hour I spent a courting
For many a long hour I spent in vain
But since 'tis my misfortune that I must die a maiden
Oh never would I ramble so far far again.
O stay Phoebe stay since for me you have lamented
You'll find in the end you'll have no cause to rue
Since I have found you faithful now make your self contented
For all I said was only to try if you were true.
Now Phoebe and William in wedlock are united
They live in a cottage down by the riverside
We hope that their comfort and peace may ne'er be blighted
Young love take example by William and his bride.
This little story came from the Essex Review where again the chorus was
only given. I have made this the first verse. The rest of the words have
been filled in from a broadside ballad printed by H Such, 177 Union
Street, Borough, London. The tune was adapted from 'Garland of Country
Song' by Baring Gould.
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.96L.97100...@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu>,
Michael Perloff <mper...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me how or where to purchase Poozies CDs? What are the
>titles of their albums? what is the label?
is a good place to get imported Irish and Scottish music. Their 2 albums are
"Chantoozies" and "Dansoozies", the latter being the best (IMHO). I think the
label is something like "Hypertension Music".
Last time I was in Britain, I kept looking for their albums in every music shop
I went in. Finally I found them in the duty free shop at Gatwick minutes
before my plane left. The poozies make some good music, but I was disappointed
that most of their stuff is not traditional Scottish folk.
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Eirik Sunde
> >I have recently come across the Status Quo version. Really!
> >
Houghton Weavers, Jacobites, McCalmans and Talisman has also recorded
the song.
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Peter Wilton
George Hawes <George...@i-cubed.co.uk> writes
>Now define what is meant by a 'specifically Scottish band' ;-)
>
>No, only joking!!!!
How about Shooglenifty - bass player Conrad Ivitsky? Good traditional
Scottish name that!