Hamilton Camp/Pride of Man?

[David Dunkle]

I have always liked the covers of Hamilton Camp's "Pride of Man"
from the 1960s. I would love to hear his original recording, which,
of course, is long out of print. What's it like?

It seems to have appeared on the "Paths of Victory" album in 1964
or so.

Any leads appreciated.

thanks,
david

[G. M. Watson]

I may be wrong, but it may also have appeared on "Folksong '65", the seminal
Elektra sampler from that period. In any case... "what's it like"? I dunno
what to compare it to really-- haven't listened to it in at least 15 years
and much of my vinyl's in storage, but as I recall, it was a powerful piece
even when done solo and acoustic. Camp had a rather rueful, bitter sound in
his vocals as I recall, in keeping with early 60s male folkie sensibilities.
He avoided sounding earnest or preachy tho. At the time I knew the song
solely thru Quicksilver messenger Service's stunning 1967 rock
arrangement--- but the Camp performance certainly held its own with QMS.
Someone should revive the song for today's audiences-- its message is
timeless.
Don't know if this helps, but there you are. "Oh, god/Pride of man/Broken in
the dust again..."

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In article <3AA8D89C...@internetconnect.net>, David Dunkle

[David Dunkle]

No, its not on Folksong '65, but instead Hamilton Camp had
a cover of "Girl of the North Country" by Dylan.

The entire "Paths of Victory" album was supposedly Dylan covers
except this one original, "Pride of Man" that just jumps out, at
least lyrically. I dug out the lyrics. Its so biblical, I wonder
what he was thinking or into when he wrote it? Is it allegorical?

A powerful, biblical song with lyrics like

"Can't you see the flash of fire ten times brighter than the day
And behold the mighty city broken in the dust again
Oh God the pride of man broken in the dust again"

would seem to have to be sung at least somewhat in earnest,
wouldn't it? That's why I want to hear it.

I can't seem to get the font right here; I hope it doesn't
post with huge letters.

-David

[chas]

I think there was also a poem by Yeats that he put to music, and a cover of
the Jesse Colin Young song, Get Together
chs
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[Ray "MusicBear" Baker]

"Pride Of Man," was one of the greatest songs the 60's group, "Quicksilver
Messenger Service" ever recorded!

It's doomy music, and John Cippolina's cutting guitar leads fit the song so
well. It was one of the great songs of the 60's, I'm sure, long out of
print, but if you can get your hands on the first Quicksilver LP, it is
worth the price of the LP.

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[Revdonaldo]

Sometime in 1988 I got to hear a demo tape of a new "rock" version of PRIDE OF
MAN that Hamilton Camp recorded. Just curious to know if it was ever released?

[Michael Black]

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Ray "MusicBear" Baker wrote:

> "Pride Of Man," was one of the greatest songs the 60's group, "Quicksilver
> Messenger Service" ever recorded!
>
> It's doomy music, and John Cippolina's cutting guitar leads fit the song so
> well. It was one of the great songs of the 60's, I'm sure, long out of
> print, but if you can get your hands on the first Quicksilver LP, it is
> worth the price of the LP.
>
> MusicBear
>

You don't have to go looking for LPs to hear Quicksilver Messenger
Service. I've had a 2-record collection from them entitled "Anthology" for
twenty years, it has "Pride of Man" on it, and I've seen it in a CD
version at the local CD store.

I've seen other Quicksilver collections on CD, and it is likely that
Pride of Man is on them.

You can also find some of their other albums on CD, certainly "Happy
Trails", and some of the later albums, so I suspect finding the first
won't be difficult.

Michael

[Jorn Barger]

The parallel thread on John Hartford reminded me that Hamilton Camp used
to do sitcoms-- his IMDb entry is an eye-opener:
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Camp,+Hamilton

Andy Griffith, Gomer Pyle, Monkees, Bewitched, MASH, ER... and about a
trillion more. He looks better connected than Kevin Bacon!

But no Smothers spinoffs, surprisingly.

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[Jorn Barger]

> He looks better connected than Kevin Bacon!

Actually, he is: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/oracle/center_list.html

HC is #585 on this list-- even without tv appearances-- and KB is way
down at 913th.

[Paco]

If anybody has the original Hamilton Camp LP that Pride of Man is on,
could they please create and upload a MP3 file of Camp's "Pride of
Man" to the alt.binaries.sounds.1960s.mp3 newsgroup. Since this is
out of print and never available on CD, there would be nothing
improper about preserving this jewel of the 60's folk movement for
posterity.

Please post a message here if this has been done.

History thanks you!

Paco

[Hugh Williamson]

I may be restating the obvious, but there is also the version which I first
heard on the first Gordon Lightfoot album. Old Gord didn't do many covers,
but this one was exceptional. Incidentally , there's a special on CBC
(Canadian ) television next week on Lightfoot.

[Michael Black]

I think this show was on before. Last fall or late summer, there was
a Gordon Lightfoot special, but I can't remember where. Either it
was on the CBC, in which case I think this is a repeat, or more likely
it was on PBS. If it was PBS, I suspect this is the same show.

That's rather vague, but I find it's all blurring together. PBS
has been running a special about the Guess Who's reunion concert,
and that ran on the CBC some time back.

The CBC is running quite a few music specials at the moment. I thought
it was just something leading up to the Juno awards a few weeks back,
but they've got this Gordon Lightfoot special, and on Friday at 9pm
there's a Bruce Cockburn special, and they've been advertising,
well in advance, some other specials.

On CBC Radio on Saturday afternoon, I stumbled on a condensed history
of the Mamas and Papas, though I wasn't sure why it was on at first.
Turns out it was part of a scavenger hunt, a regular feature on
the program, and they want people to send in photos of Mamas and
Papas-related memorabilia, with some items scoring higher points than
others. I wonder how John Phillips death today will affect the outcome
of this scavenger hunt?

Michael

[Ton Maas]

In article <feWs6.222248$Vj5.30...@news02.optonline.net>,
"chas" <cbre...@optonline.net> wrote:

>I think there was also a poem by Yeats that he put to music, and a cover of
>the Jesse Colin Young song, Get Together

I thought that was a Dino Valente composition, (falsely?) credited to Chet
Powers.

Ton

[Laura Munzer]

>>I think there was also a poem by Yeats that he put to music, and a cover of
>>the Jesse Colin Young song, Get Together
>
>I thought that was a Dino Valente composition, (falsely?) credited to Chet
>Powers.

"Chet Powers" was just a pen name for Dino Valente.

Laura

[Paul L. Madarasz]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:50 +0100, ton...@xs4all.nl (Ton Maas)
wrote, perhaps among other things...

Chet Powers was Dino Valente's real name, as I recall.

Another Yeats poem to music? The only one I know is "The Song of the
Wandering Angus" by Yeats and Van Ronk (the one about the lost,
once-sighted love; famous line: "...silver apples of the moon/golden
apples of the sun."

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[Ray "MusicBear" Baker]

I have really come in on the middle of this thread, so please excuse me if
this has been answered already.

What is Hamilton Camp doing today? That is, if he is still with us...
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[Ton Maas]

In article <IOut6.6189$9J5.4...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

"Ray \"MusicBear\" Baker" <ray....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>I have really come in on the middle of this thread, so please excuse me if
>this has been answered already.
>
>What is Hamilton Camp doing today? That is, if he is still with us...

He recently (1999) made a new album: "Mardi's Band" (DCJ Records DJC009).
All original compositions.

Ton

[Rik Shepherd]

Paul L. Madarasz <pl...@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:86dcbtoglrlk5nhic...@4ax.com...

> Another Yeats poem to music? The only one I know is "The Song of the
> Wandering Angus" by Yeats and Van Ronk (the one about the lost,
> once-sighted love; famous line: "...silver apples of the moon/golden
> apples of the sun."
>

Aren't the words to "Down by the Salley Gardens" by Yeats ?

Rik

[Daniel R. Reitman]

There are also several versions of "Stolen Child."

Dan, ad nauseam

[Paul L. Madarasz]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:51:22 GMT, drei...@teleport.com (Daniel R.
Reitman) wrote, perhaps among other things...

I guess that's why I'm still an undergrad English major at 50.

[Diana Gregory]

Is this actually known for sure now?

"Way Back When", nobody would own up to being Chet Powers.
There were a lot of rumors over who it was...

Diana

[Freddy Letrange]

|>>"Chet Powers" was just a pen name for Dino Valente.

Diana Gregory ah dee:

|>Is this actually known for sure now?
|>"Way Back When", nobody would own up to being Chet Powers.
|>There were a lot of rumors over who it was...

I recall the obituary in _Billboard_ said they were the same person, and that
he had changed his name from Chet Powers to Dino Valenti.

Go to repertoire.bmi.com and enter:
valenti dino
in the "Writer Search" block.
When that yields the sole BMI writer named VALENTI DINO, click on that name.
That will take you to the first page of VALENTI DINO's BMI catalog.
Then click, for example, on the title AMOR A TODOS. What you'll see is this:
"1. GET TOGETHER (Legal Title) BMI Work #465089
Alternate Titles
AMOR A TODOS
LET S GET TOGETHER
Writers Current Affil.
POWERS CHESTER WILLIAM JR BMI"

If you telnet to the Copyright Office's online database at locis.loc.gov and
ask to browse VALENTI, DINO in the Copyright Monograph file, you get:
"B07 VALENTI, DINO, PSEUD//(XREF=1)"
Open that (by typing "F B7" without the quotation marks), and you see:
"PAu-795-682 (COHM) ITEM 1 OF 1 IN SET 8
TITL: Dino Valenti collection : no. 1.
PHYS: 1 sound cassette.
CLNA: Dreaming Jewels Music
DCRE: 1985 DREG: 6Jan86
APAU: words & music: Chester A. Powers p.k.a. Dino Valenti.
ECIF: 3/M
XREF: Dino Valenti , <pseud.> SEE Chester A. Powers."

There are also several records of renewals of "Valenti's" copyrights by his
daughter -- e.g.:
"TITL: Dino's song. w & m Dino Valenti.
CLNA: Joli Powers (C of Dino Valenti a.k.a. Chester Powers)"

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[LouKrieger]

I think you got it backwards: Chet Powers, Jr. is the real name of Dino
Valenti -- unless, of course, I've got it ass baskwards.