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William T. Yates

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Aug 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/8/98
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In article <6qisn2$or9$1...@user1.teleport.com>, er...@user1.teleport.com
(Eric H Patterson) wrote:

> HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
> online catalogs about live recordings produced at folk festivals and it
> says that the recordings include liner notes by other people.
> What exactly does this mean?
> I think it refers to comments made by directors about the performance, but
> I am not sure if this is correct. I know this might not be such an
> important issue, but
> I would be interested in knowing what liner notes are. Thanks.
>
Liner notes are the printed material that comes with the recording - the
little booklet and/or the back insert of your CD or the back of the old
record sleeve (or liner - hence the name). Usually it is a description of
the recorded material but it can vary wildly - or be non-existent!

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Eric H Patterson

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HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
online catalogs about live recordings produced at folk festivals and it
says that the recordings include liner notes by other people.
What exactly does this mean?
I think it refers to comments made by directors about the performance, but
I am not sure if this is correct. I know this might not be such an
important issue, but
I would be interested in knowing what liner notes are. Thanks.

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Eric Patterson, on the road of education
Life is not foolproof but communication makes things easier.


Wendell Norman

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Aug 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/9/98
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Eric H Patterson wrote:
>
> HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
> online catalogs about live recordings produced at folk festivals and it
> says that the recordings include liner notes by other people.
> What exactly does this mean?
> I think it refers to comments made by directors about the performance, but
> I am not sure if this is correct. I know this might not be such an
> important issue, but
> I would be interested in knowing what liner notes are. Thanks.

Liner notes originally referred to (I think) the material on the sleeve
liner of records, which sometimes contained more detailed information
about the recording. Not it's used to refer to the printed material
that comes with the CD. As you probably know, the range of information
included is large. Some include little more that song titles. I like
to see a lot of detail, such as session musicicans & singer, tape dates
& location, for anthologies complete detail on where the cut came from,
etc.

Rounder does an exceptional job with their liner notes. You can even
access their liner notes for more recent recordings at their web site at
www.rounder.com.

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Jim Colletti

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Aug 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/9/98
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Ye gods! Shows my friggin' age that I'm amazed that there may some who are
not familiar with liner notes. Yes they refer to the material written on the
covers of vinyl disk albums, and now on the little booklets in CD's. Back in
the 60's it was typical for liner notes to be pretty extensive, including, for
example, a synopsis of the music or a bio of the artist written by an
outsider, often a newspaper or magazine music reviewer. Sometimes the artist
would write a sort of essay and that would be included in the liner notes.
The practice, common now, of including lyrics in the liner notes was
infrequent back then.


Eric H Patterson wrote:

> HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
> online catalogs about live recordings produced at folk festivals and it
> says that the recordings include liner notes by other people.
> What exactly does this mean?
> I think it refers to comments made by directors about the performance, but
> I am not sure if this is correct. I know this might not be such an
> important issue, but
> I would be interested in knowing what liner notes are. Thanks.
>

Timothy Jaques

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Aug 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/9/98
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The nice thing about LP's was that the cover art was big enough
to appreciate, and quite often they'd throw in a free poster.
The posters are a little hard to fold up to fit into a CD jewel
case.

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Mike Painter

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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It gives an idea of your age. What you have to do to read the liner notes on
some CD's gives a better idea....
THAT is NOT my magnifying glass.

Jim Colletti wrote in message <35CE13CF...@sgi.net>...
>Ye gods! Shows my friggin' age that I'm amazed that there may some who are
>not familiar with liner notes. Yes they refer to the material written on
the

Bill Markwick

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Aug 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/10/98
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Eric H Patterson (er...@user1.teleport.com) wrote:
: HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in

Here's the entry for liner notes from an update to the Folk File that I'm
working on (the URL's in my tag):

:liner notes: brief descriptions of the songs and/or artists on vinyl
LPs and included in the package; often lyrics were included. They
could be printed on the paper sleeve that held the record itself, or
on a separate 12" by 12" page, or (as in the case of {Folkways})
included in a booklet that had its own compartment in the cardboard
folder. Sometimes they were by the artist(s) and sometimes the record
company would use a prominent music critic or collector to author the
notes. The name is occasionally applied to the notes included with
CDs.

Folkies and other music fans bemoan the replacement of the vinyl LP by
the smaller CD package because it has meant tiny notes with less
information and the loss of 12" cover art or photos (but no more
clicks and pops from vinyl!).

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Wbsmiles

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>HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
>>> online catalogs about live recordings produced at folk festivals and it
>>> says that the recordings include liner notes by other people.
>>> What exactly does this mean?

Hi all, :o) This is my first post here, just checking things out. Since the
answers already been given , thought I'd just add my 2 cents... I know they
used to award Grammy's for best liner notes....not sure if they still do
though, anyone know for sure?

Smiles,

Wendy :o)

Dick Wisan

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Aug 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/11/98
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In article <ExHHt7.1D...@torfree.net>, bd...@torfree.net says...

>
>Eric H Patterson (er...@user1.teleport.com) wrote:
>: HI all, I have always wondered what liner notes were. I have read in
>
>Here's the entry for liner notes from an update to the Folk File that I'm
>working on (the URL's in my tag):
>
>:liner notes: brief descriptions of the songs and/or artists on vinyl
> LPs and included in the package; often lyrics were included. They
> could be printed on the paper sleeve that held the record itself, or
> on a separate 12" by 12" page, or (as in the case of {Folkways})
> included in a booklet...

Odd. Doesn't mention why they're called "Liner" notes. _That_ comes
from 78 days, when the "album" referred not to the records but to the
book of record sleeves which contained them (unless they were sold as
singles, in which case they came in bare sleeves & rarely had any
notes). The "liner" was what you'd call the endpaper of a book; it
lined the inside of the front & maybe the back cover. Sometimes,
there was more than a single page pasted to the inside of the front
liner, and sometimes the notes came in a separate flyer --I think
Columbia classical records usually had had those.

But "liner" comes from the lining of the album covers.

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benjami...@twty.chi.il.us

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bd...@torfree.net (Bill Markwick) said:

NE>>Here's the entry for liner notes from an update to the Folk File that I'm


>>working on (the URL's in my tag):

NE>>:liner notes: <snip>


>> (as in the case of {Folkways})

>> included in a booklet that had its own compartment in the cardboard
>> folder.

One of my college roommates sat on the floor one afternoon in the
spring of 1959, trying to write down the words to "They Call the
Wind Maria" as he played it over and over from an old Pete Seeger
album on Folkways. He was just about finished when I walked in
and discovered what he was doing. I fished out the booklet with
the words and suggested that next time he shouldn't wear out my
record just to get the words.

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Kevin Sheils

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Aug 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/12/98
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benjami...@twty.chi.il.us wrote:

>
> One of my college roommates sat on the floor one afternoon in the
> spring of 1959, trying to write down the words to "They Call the
> Wind Maria" as he played it over and over from an old Pete Seeger
> album on Folkways. He was just about finished when I walked in
> and discovered what he was doing. I fished out the booklet with
> the words and suggested that next time he shouldn't wear out my
> record just to get the words.

I had a friend who purchased the Fairport Album "Expletive Delighted"
and on the way home he noticed that the sleeve stated "lyric sheet
enclosed". He was half way back to the shop to complain about the
missing item when he remembered it was an instrumental LP.

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Alan Crozier

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Aug 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/13/98
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>
>One of my college roommates sat on the floor one afternoon in the
>spring of 1959, trying to write down the words to "They Call the
>Wind Maria" as he played it over and over from an old Pete Seeger
>album on Folkways. He was just about finished when I walked in
>and discovered what he was doing. I fished out the booklet with
>the words and suggested that next time he shouldn't wear out my
>record just to get the words.
>
>Benjamin H. Cohen


So this predates Sergeant Pepper, which some people claim was the first LP
to print the lyrics.

Alan Crozier
Lund, Sweden

Lee Gold

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Aug 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/13/98
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Alan Crozier wrote: So this predates Sergeant Pepper, which some people claim


was the first LP to print the lyrics.

I think it was Folkways which put out a record of Talking Blues during the
second Eisenhower administration (it included "I Like Ike," which was
banned on the radio in California for its remarks about Nixon) which
had complete lyrics for all the songs plus publication history.

THURBER CARNIVAL (a Broadway show) included the full drawings
and text of Thurber's "The Last Flower" as part of its liner notes.


MIKE REGENSTREIF

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Aug 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/13/98
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In article <35d2e...@d2o8.telia.com>, "Alan Crozier" <alan.c...@lund.mail.telia.com> writes:
>>
>>One of my college roommates sat on the floor one afternoon in the
>>spring of 1959, trying to write down the words to "They Call the
>>Wind Maria" as he played it over and over from an old Pete Seeger
>>album on Folkways. He was just about finished when I walked in
>>and discovered what he was doing. I fished out the booklet with
>>the words and suggested that next time he shouldn't wear out my
>>record just to get the words.
>>
>>Benjamin H. Cohen
>
>
>So this predates Sergeant Pepper, which some people claim was the first LP
>to print the lyrics.
>
>Alan Crozier
>Lund, Sweden
>
>

"Some people" can be wrong some of the time.

Most (if not all) of the old Folkways LPs in my collection have inserts
that included the lyrics. So did Folk Legacy's LPs going back to earlier in
the '60s than Sarge.

I have undated Josh White LP on ABC-Paramount which I'd guess was from
the late-'40s or early-50s. It has the lyrics printed on the back.

MR


Abby Sale

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Aug 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/15/98
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On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:30:43 GMT, mre...@vax2.concordia.ca (MIKE
REGENSTREIF) wrote:

>
> Most (if not all) of the old Folkways LPs in my collection have inserts
>that included the lyrics. So did Folk Legacy's LPs going back to earlier in
>the '60s than Sarge.
>

I think you'll find a note on the sleeve of any record that if there are
no notes included, you should just write Folkways for them. (Likely that
offer is expired by now though, considering.)

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