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Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh

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Nov 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/5/97
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Some years ago I remember a hearing a song on the radio in which the
ghost/spirit of PTE Willy Mc Bride (from the song "Green Fields of
France" by Eric Bogle) responds to the queries posed by the traveler
visiting his graveside in the above tune. Does anyone out there know
the title, words, or any groups that have released it in a recording?

This has bugged me for some time; thanks in advance for any assistance
that is rendered.

Ed

Kevin Sheils

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Nov 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/5/97
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Mark Spittal wrote:
> The only hint that I could give you is that some Australians might
> know. One particular fellow i met took great delight in doing parodies
> of Eric Bogle songs and that was one of them. There might be some
> reference to such a song in Digital Tradition.
>

I know of the parody of Willie McBride, but not the words. A friend
sings it, and I have a nagging suspicion that it may have been written
(or at least sung) by Fintan Vallely. However, from the original posted
query it does not sound like a parody that is requested but rather a
continuation in a serious vein. If the original poster recalls it as a
humerous parody then I will enquire with her in the know, unless someone
else responds first.

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Kevin
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Ronald Hughes

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Nov 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/5/97
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Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh wrote:
>
> Some years ago I remember a hearing a song on the radio in which the
> ghost/spirit of PTE Willy Mc Bride (from the song "Green Fields of
> France" by Eric Bogle) responds to the queries posed by the traveler
> visiting his graveside in the above tune. Does anyone out there know
> the title, words, or any groups that have released it in a recording?
>
> This has bugged me for some time; thanks in advance for any assistance
> that is rendered.
>
> Ed
You will find this song on "The Ways of Man" Gordon Bok,Ann mayo Muir,Ed
Trickett. It is sug by Ed[Very moving song) It is called No Man's
Land.It is on Folk-Legaccy FSI-68 (LP) I think it may be available on CD
now. Try http://www.folklegacy.com


Kevin Sheils

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Nov 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/6/97
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I don't know Ed Trickett's recording but if it's "No Man's Land" thn
that is the same song (in fact the correct title IIRC) as "Green Fields
of France" and not a response song as requested by the original poster.


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Kevin
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kes...@alum.mit.edu

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Nov 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/6/97
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In <3460337B...@cyberus.ca>, Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh <ema...@cyberus.ca> writes:
>Some years ago I remember a hearing a song on the radio in which the
>ghost/spirit of PTE Willy Mc Bride (from the song "Green Fields of
>France" by Eric Bogle) responds to the queries posed by the traveler
>visiting his graveside in the above tune. Does anyone out there know
>the title, words, or any groups that have released it in a recording?

Don't know that one, but if you've never heard Bob Kanefsky's crossbreeding
of two of Bogle's songs -- "Nobody's Moggy Lands" -- find a filker and ask
them to sing it for you. Wonderfully warped. (I think these lyrics may have
appeared in Sing Out magazine's folk-process column some years ago, but
could be misremembering.)

There's morose, there's more-and-more-ose, and then there's humorose...


Barnacle Bill

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Nov 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/6/97
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In article: <63qc75$d...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Mary Creasey
<cre...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> Ask over on rec.music.filk

I haven't got r.m.filk in my available newsgroups

Do you mean alt.music.filk ?

TIA
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Barnacle Bill
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Ronald Hughes

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Nov 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/6/97
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Kevin Sheils wrote:
>
> Ronald Hughes wrote:
> >
> > Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh wrote:
> > >
> > > Some years ago I remember a hearing a song on the radio in which the
> > > ghost/spirit of PTE Willy Mc Bride (from the song "Green Fields of
> > > France" by Eric Bogle) responds to the queries posed by the traveler
> > > visiting his graveside in the above tune. Does anyone out there know
> > > the title, words, or any groups that have released it in a recording?
> > >
> > > This has bugged me for some time; thanks in advance for any assistance
> > > that is rendered.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > You will find this song on "The Ways of Man" Gordon Bok,Ann mayo Muir,Ed
> > Trickett. It is sug by Ed[Very moving song) It is called No Man's
> > Land.It is on Folk-Legaccy FSI-68 (LP) I think it may be available on CD
>
> I don't know Ed Trickett's recording but if it's "No Man's Land" thn
> that is the same song (in fact the correct title IIRC) as "Green Fields
> of France" and not a response song as requested by the original poster.
>
> --
> Kevin
> http://www.btinternet.com/~haleend/
I didn't read the original post closely. Kevin is correct.Ed Trickett's
recording is not a response song


Kevin Sheils

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Nov 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/7/97
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Ronald Hughes wrote:
>

> I didn't read the original post closely. Kevin is correct.Ed Trickett's
> recording is not a response song

Yes the fact that the original song is known by a number of different
titles clouds the issue somewhat.

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Kevin
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Jim Spinelli

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Nov 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/8/97
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Here the word's & chords. last recording I know of - Peter, Paul & Mary on
"Flowers and Stones"...

NO MAN'S LAND Eric Bogel


E A F#m
Well, how do you do, Private William McBride
B7 A B7
Do you mind if I sit here down by your grave side
E A F#m
And I'll rest for awhile in the warm summer sun
B7 A E
I've been walking all day, lord, and I'm nearly done
E F#m
I see by your gravestone you were only nineteen
B7 E B7
When you joined the glorious fallen in nineteen-sixteen
E F#m
Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
B7 A E
Or Willie McBride was it slow and obscene

B7
(Chorus) Did they beat the drum slowly
A E
Did they sound the fife lowly
B7 A E
Did the rifles fire o'er ye as they lowered you down
A B7
Did the bugles play 'Last Post' in chorus
E A B7 E
Did the pipes play 'The Flowers of the Forest'


And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind
In some faithful heart is your memory enshrined
And though you died back in nineteen-sixteen
To that loyal heart, are you always nineteen
Or are you a stranger without even a name
Forever enshrined behind some glass frame
In an old photograph torn and tattered and stained
And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame

(Chorus)

Well, the sun's shining now on these green fields of France
The warm wind blows softly and the red poppies dance
The trenched have vanished, long under the plow
no gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now
For here in this graveyard that's still no man's land
The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
To man's blind indifference to his fellow man
And a whole generation who were butchered and damned

(Chorus)

And I can't help but wonder now Willie McBride
Do all those who lie here know why they died
Did you really believe them when they told you the cause
You really believed that this war would end wars
The suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain
For Willie McBride, it all happened again
And again, and again, and again and again

(Chorus)

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Jim spin...@island.net
Nanaimo, BC
Canada


Karen Rodgers

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Nov 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/9/97
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On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:36:24 +0000 (GMT), Barnacle Bill
<Bi...@bracewel.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article: <63qc75$d...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Mary Creasey
><cre...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>> Ask over on rec.music.filk
>
>I haven't got r.m.filk in my available newsgroups
>
>Do you mean alt.music.filk ?

No, she doesn't, rec.music.filk is the main newsgroup for this sort of
question. But apparently, we can be of no help on this song, someone
did post the question, and, like here, there has been no response.
Perhaps the next step is to go and ask on uk.music.folk. This
question about "Willy McBride's Reply" is a real stumper.

Karen R.


Karen Rodgers (krod...@4dcomm.com) La Mesa, CA

Windbourne's Homepage http://www.windbourne.com
The Eric Bogle Homepage http://www.windbourne.com/ebogle
Karen Rodgers' Home Page http://www2.4dcomm.com/srodgers/karenr.html


Deborah Doyle

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Nov 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/9/97
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Kevin Sheils wrote:
>
> Ronald Hughes wrote:
> >
> > Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh wrote:
> > >
>, "Jim Spinelli" <spin...@island.net> wrote:

Here the word's & chords. last recording I know of - Peter, Paul & Mary on
"Flowers and Stones"...

NO MAN'S LAND Eric Bogel

You can find Tommy Makem and Liam Clancy's version on THE MAKEM & CLANCY
COLLECTION, Shanachie, 52001, 1980. Liam does the vocal. They call it
"Willie McBride."

Deborah Doyle

Joe Kesselman, yclept Keshlam

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Nov 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/9/97
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In <889092...@bracewel.demon.co.uk>, Barnacle Bill <Bi...@bracewel.demon.co.uk> writes:
>I haven't got r.m.filk in my available newsgroups
>Do you mean alt.music.filk ?

No, alt.- is the old (mostly defunct) discussion; it moved to rec.- about a year
ago, if I remember correctly. If you can't reach it under the new name, contact
your internet service provider and ask them to fix their news servers.

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Barnacle Bill

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Nov 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/10/97
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In article: <3465e891....@news.4dcomm.com> krod...@4dcomm.com
(Karen Rodgers) writes:
>
> On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:36:24 +0000 (GMT), Barnacle Bill
> <Bi...@bracewel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I haven't got r.m.filk in my available newsgroups
> >
> >Do you mean alt.music.filk ?
>
> No, she doesn't, rec.music.filk is the main newsgroup for this sort of
> question.
>
> Karen R.

Thanks Karen - and Joe Kesselman.

I won't bore everyone with my newsreader glitches but I'm receiving r.m.filk OK now.
-
Barnacle Bill


Scot Witt

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Nov 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/10/97
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Sorry.

Eric Bogle's Songbook titles it 'No Man's Land' as does RISE UP SINGING!

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>Ronald Hughes wrote:
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>> Eideard Llewellyn Mac Daibhidh wrote:
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Tim Shirley

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Nov 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/10/97
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I was at a folk festival in Australia over last weekend, and Eric Bogle
performed the song "No Man's Land" there. He commented that it had several
titles, but that he didn't care what people called it, he was just pleased
to see it performed so widely.

The original title was "No Man's Land".

I've heard a parody version, but not a serious "reply".

cheers

tim

Gerry Myerson

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Nov 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/10/97
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In article <01bced87$58d5b660$c877...@pl09508.parl.net>, "Tim Shirley"
<Tim.S...@aph.gov.au> wrote:

-> The original title was "No Man's Land".
->
-> I've heard a parody version, but not a serious "reply".

The song the original poster was asking about is what you might call
a "parody reply." I think Willie McBride says Bogle got everything
wrong, starting with his arithmetic. I know I've heard the song,
probably on the radio, but I regret that I can't help the original
poster to identify the singer or the availability of a recording.

Gerry Myerson (ge...@mpce.mq.edu.au)

Kevin Sheils

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Nov 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/11/97
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Scot Witt wrote:
>
> Sorry.
>
> Eric Bogle's Songbook titles it 'No Man's Land' as does RISE UP SINGING!
>

Not quite sure why you are saying sorry. This normally suggests that
you are correcting a post but if you look below you will see that I was
stating that "No Man's Land" was the correct title to the best of my
knowledge.

> Kevin Sheils wrote in message <3461BE...@btinternet.com>...

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