1959: "Malaguena Salerosa" - Bud and Travis
yougotl...@yahoo.com
version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
(American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
Spain,
with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
works..(?):
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This really does sound like the studio version rather than the live
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
Boy this is brutal. Sounds like the lounge act on the Odd Couple when
Felix and Oscar went to the Caribbean on one esisode.
THIS is your favorite song of the decade?
I knew you had shit taste, but this is really beyond shit.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
At little more information about the song:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malague%C3%B1a_Salerosa
yougotl...@yahoo.com
opinion of the local music nazi:
"Bud and Travis were the best.
No one of their ilk could even touch them.
When they got on stage and did their thing,
there was nothing like it. Wonderful."
--Erik Darling, The Weavers
{poster's note: Quote courtesy of www.budandtravis.com, but also the
liner notes to one of their CD reissues.}
......................................................................................................................................................................
Feelings behind the song (nice essay and approximate English
translations, offered) written up at; worth reading:
www.travisedmonson.com/malaguena.htm
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Other notes:
The "Best of Bud and Travis" CD (Collector's Choice) which includes
the 1960 version of live Santa Monica Aud. concert version of
Malaguena Salerosa, has averaged the max 5 stars through 46
contributing reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Bud-Travis/dp/B00000IIT9
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Here are a couple of reviews for "The Latin Album", which also
includes their Malaguena Salerosa, from Amazon.com:
[open quote from:
{5 stars awarded} 9 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
A Must Have (Especially for those who LOVE the guitar) !!!, August 15,
2005
By Armando M. Mesa (Chandler, AZ) - See all my reviews
"What can I say folks...This is a true treasure from the past! One
listen and you will be mesmerized at how a couple of guys can
interpret classic Spanish songs, boleros with such perfection and
ease. The catch is that neither one of these guys were ever born in
Mexico or are from Spanish descent. Truly goes to show that music
knows no color or boundaries...Bud Dashiell and Travis Edmonson came
together in the mid to late 50's and continued with their success in
the 60's producing rich pop-folk music but sometimes with a strong
Latin influenced flair.Think Kingston Trio(minus the trio and more
like a duo) with sometimes the subtlety of later groups like Peter,
Paul and Mary and then influencing the Smothers Brothers and possibly
Simon and Garfunkel. Now, cross this with the Spanish/Latin great
muscial artists like Trio Los Panchos,Trio Calavera, a dash of Trini
Lopez ! At times, their vocal harmonies compliment each other so well
that you often forget it's just two guys singing and will think there
are three (trio?).You will definitely feel and hear these guys singing
from the gut, lungs, and heart---but most importantly, the soul or
spirit! Their guitar playing skills are pure masterful artistry !
Sadly, MOST of their albums are completely out of print (as I have
obtained rare vinyl pressings from the 50's and 60's at various used
record stores). The Latin Album really put Bud & Travis on the map in
the early 60's with this release !
What's intriguing about the original vinyl pressings is that you could
buy the album in either the monaural (non-stereo) version or the
stereophonic version. The stereophonic version, as with most early
stereo pressings, tended to exaggerate the soundfield/soundstage.
Often resulted in an "unnatural" playback experience(the singer on the
left speaker and the entire band or other artists on the right
speaker). The mono version had more bass, clarity and less tape source
noise and vinyl record surface noise. The limited cd pressing
(currently available as of this writing),while it sounds clear and
void of all the record pops and ticks, reveals some annoying tape hiss
(don't know if it's in the remastering process or an anomaly of the
digital medium). I can tell you that the vinyl monaural pressing
sounds awesome and clear out of the 3 pressings !"
{5 stars awarded} 6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
A Forgotten Masterpiece, April 16, 2006
By Juan Mobili (Valley Cottage, NY USA) - See all my reviews
"Between 1958 and 1966, Bud & Travis-Bud Dashiell and Travis Edmonson
to be exact-gathered up and perform their Folk magic. Exquisite
harmonies and deft guitar picking abounded in their own songs as well
as those they chose to cover, and became their Folk trademark.
Among those songs that they did not write, their love of all Latin
American tunes was palpable and profound, and the source of what would
be their last studio album: The Bud & Travis Latin Album.
What distinguishes these two artists, and this particular album, from
many of their contemporaries in the early Sixties-a time when many
singers were beginning to find market appeal for Latin music-is their
faithful respect for the original songs.
If you, like me, grew up in Latin America in those days, you are sure
to remember most if not all of these tunes. Many were even old songs
by then and, mainly the music your parents or grandparents enjoy, yet
they cast a spell on all of us who were younger and already crazy
about The Beatles.
Another thing you may remember were records by Trini Lopez and Eddye
Gorme with Los Panchos-and later Jose Feliciano and Herb Alpert-all
people I learned to appreciate yet at times limiting Latin songs to
manicured or watered down renditions of the classics, lacking on the
vibrant soul that made them so popular in their countries of origin.
Most of these tunes-specially "La Bamba," "Guantanamera," "Malaguena
Salerosa" and "Noche de Ronda"-as much as they are obvious choices
represent an unique challenge. Being practically ingrained in the
Latin American "collective unconscious," so to speak, they may doom
those who may sing them casually or for the sake of a quick buck.
Well, The Bud & Travis Latin Album is a gorgeous example of pure
beauty and deep respect. I'm feel very fortunate that the store where
I purchased this gem was set up to preview CDs, otherwise I would have
deprived myself and my friends from this forgotten masterpiece, prey
to my own prejudices.
In addition to the renditions of those songs mentioned before, it is
worth directing your attention to a few more jewels in this
collection. "Abandonado," "Asi Canta Mi Patria," and "Caminante Del
Mayab" are absolutely beautiful, and the rest of the songs that
complete this set do not fall behind.
Do yourself a favor and buy this album immediately. You might learn,
or at least it may remind you, that North American Folk already had an
early eye on the rest of the world and was attending to a trove of
great music, alongside the great work of Woodie Guthrie and Pete
Seeger and before Joan Baez or Bob Dylan took Folk by a storm."
[end quote]
.........................................................................................................................................................................
In Valerie Nelson's obit for Travis Edmonson (he is the one in the duo
with the choir boy smooth voice, the voice that sounds like scrambled
eggs is Bud Dashiell) in the Los Angeles Times earlier this year, the
following section included a compliment from Peter Yarrow, of PP & M:
[open quote]
Between 1958 and 1965, Edmonson and Bud Dashiell made an "impressive"
contribution to the folk music revival through about 10 albums that
showcased their "trademark harmonies and electrifying guitar work,"
according to the All Music Internet database. They played the
Hollywood Bowl in 1963 with Peter, Paul & Mary, the legendary folk
group that toured with the duo and recorded the Edmonson composition
"If I Were Free." Bud & Travis "helped to launch the folk renaissance
with some of the most beautiful music we ever heard," Peter Yarrow of
Peter Paul & Mary told The Times in an e-mail.
"Travis had a mellifluous voice" and the two groups "learned much from
each other," Yarrow said.
Folk music historian Mary Katherine Aldin called Bud & Travis
"virtuosos" who influenced the folk scene with their early arrival,
expansive repertoire and embrace of Spanish-language folk songs. They
recorded “La Bamba” and "Malaguena Salerosa," which reportedly sold a
million copies in the 1950s.
"For many white folk audiences at the time, it was the only time they
heard people sing in Spanish," said Aldin, a Los Angeles-area producer
who reissues roots music."
[end quote]
Similarly, Bob Shane of the Kingston Trio complimented their work in
the New York Times obit by Bruce Weber:
[open quote]
In performance, what distinguished Bud and Travis more than anything
was Mr. Edmonson’s passion for mariachi and the other Mexican musical
traditions that he had absorbed as a boy in Arizona. Many Latin
numbers — “La Bamba,” for example — were part of the Bud and Travis
repertory, and Mr. Edmonson’s own signature song, one that he
considered his favorite piece of music, was“Malagueña Salerosa,” a
folk lamentation with a tinge of both heartbreak and religious
supplication.
“I idolized him,” Bob Shane of the original Kingston Trio said in a
telephone interview Tuesday. “He had command of the stage better than
anyone I’d ever seen. He had a wonderful feel for whatever music he
was singing. And then, of course, he was this straight-looking white
guy who sang these beautiful Mexican songs.”
[end quote]
L.I. - Among folk musicians, their peers, they were highly
respected. Only a flat-out clueless ignoramus like Bruce Grossberg
makes statements that worth less than used toilet paper, and should
always be given a huge front-end discount by any reader.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
More praise for Bud & Travis and their Malaguena from Amazon.com
purchasers:
{4 stars awarded} The Best of Bud and Travis on CD
"I have yet to find a better version of "Malaguena Salerosa" anywhere
by anyone any time. The deeper voice of Bud Dashell stood out
masterfully on this track. It is from their "Bud And Travis In
Concert" LP of circa 1960. There are several other tracks which are
pleasant and charming from that 50's/ 60's folk music period, however,
I would suggest either being familiar with or hearing track excerpts
before purchasing. Good Purchase (for me for my reasons)."
Tuesday, September 8th, 2009
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
More praise for B&T/Malaguena:
From a review of the 1960 concert album, at another I-Net store
review section, which as aforementioned, includes
the track Malaguena Salerosa; key complimentary part quoted:
[open quote from web-page:http://www.overstock.com/Books-Movies-Music-
Games/Bud-Travis-The-Santa-Monica-Concert/546243/product.html ]
{5 stars awarded} "I have finally found the holy grail of B&T
albums.... <snip>... Just to hear Bud's scratchy earthy voice belting
out those Spanish songs and the easy interplay between them. I don't
have it yet, and I'm almost afraid to get it because it means a 30
year search is over. Can it be as good as I remembered? Probably not
becuause that was mighty good. When Bud cuts loose in that torrent of
spanish phraseology in Malaguena Salerosa, after holding those pent up
long "feeling" falsetto notes, its magic. I've never heard another
voice that could move me like that except for that of another dead
star named Richard Manuel formerly of The Band. They were both masters
of the delicate....<snip/continued>
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
Praise for "The Latin Album" (which contains another version of Bud &
Travis' Malaguena Salerosa, from All Music Guide:
[open quote:]
Review by James Christopher Monger
"The oft-overlooked duo of Bud Dashiell and Travis Edmonson may have
never had a hit single, but their contributions to the '60s folk
revival were impressive to say the least. The ten records that
appeared between the years of 1958 and 1966 introduced the world —
mostly fellow performers — to their trademark harmonies and
electrifying guitar work, but one album in particular shone the
brightest. The Latin Album was a landmark of sorts, a worldbeat
tutorial for an audience whose only Hispanic musical outlets were
"groovy" hipsters like Herb Alpert and Sergio Mendes. The 12 boleros,
serenatas, guajiras, and juapengos are played with a reverence for
their source material that's genuinely moving, resulting in a
recording that sounds as important now as it was in 1965. That the duo
included liner notes in both Spanish and English was extremely forward-
thinking for the times, and it won over critics and contemporaries
alike. Sadly, The Latin Album was also Bud & Travis' swan song, and a
fitting one at that. Long out of print, Folk Era's lovingly restored
reissue may be light on the packaging, but it's weighed down by some
seriously gorgeous material."
[end quote]
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
There's an old saying that a lie can travel half-way round the world
while the truth is still getting its pants on....I have provided a few
contrasting opinions to yours to indicate to any intelligent and
insightful readers that you are quite capable of dropping a remark at
any time that sounds like you don't have a brain in your head at all.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> version from Los Angeles later in 1960 ("Bud and Travis In Concert),
> but both pretty much have same arrangement; even with the applause,
> I'm not sure person who uploaded this didn't merely attach that
> audience sound before and after studio version for effect; the picture
> here in the player is actually a picture of 1959 Liberty debut lp, but
> without further delay, my favorite song of the whole 1950s. Probably
> an acquired taste, but if you can get into multicultural music
> (American made) like this, you may agree with the late Bud and Travis
> that this, was indeed, THE love song. Tells the tale of a bewitching
> of a young man by a beautiful young woman in her prime, from Malaga,
> Spain,
> with eyes worthy of a hypnotic sorcerer, so strong was the spell
> cast. However, origins are from Southern Mexico. Now if this link
> works..(?):
>
I have played this track to a friend from Mexico City, who remarked
that this was as good as any of their (Mexican) players'
interpretations of this classic Mexican song. I shared the initial
1959 album whole (containing MS) with a 1st generation Mexican from
work who said he was very impressed by the guitar playing. Another
Mexican acquaintance, a woman, said it (the track and the album) was
"very beautiful", with heartfelt feeling behind her words. and her
gaze almost slowing down to focus on me, to make the point..
50s
So if I don't like Bud and Travis it means that I am unintelligent?
Lots of people hate folk music in general....are they all stupid?
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nobody, or at least I in this case, would have said a thing, except
that you threw the first extraneous stone. And sometimes, I choose
to object to a cheap shot or low blow, and sometimes I don't. If
the artist(s) doesn't deserve one of those, I might speak up, as I did
here. There's a at least a couple old sayings that might be
applicable here, such as:
"Don't criticize what you can't understand" - (Dylan), or...
"If you don't have anything good to say, don't say it"
"If you are stupid, don't prove it to the whole world by opening your
mouth"
"Discretion is the better part of valor"
etc./ad infinitum
Uni
Hit lower, hit lower!!!!
Uni :-)
>
> etc./ad infinitum
gullive...@yahoo.com
considered a classic by many people, people whose knowledge and
experience with music overwhelms yours.
Keep calling it a lounge act, and brutal. You tell us more about
yourself regularly.
50s
gullive...@yahoo.com
> Stick it up your ass.
You always come back with the most intelligent well thought out
retorts. It's like you want to make sure everyone knows your intellect.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
50s
gullive...@yahoo.com
I didn't think you had a polite, intelligent retort in you to offer.
50s
I see you hang out in alt.gossip.celebrities
Why am I not surprised? LOL
yougotl...@yahoo.com
<snip for brevity/point focus>
> So if I don't like Bud and Travis it means that I am unintelligent?
>
> Lots of people hate folk music in general....are they all stupid?
No, not at all. They are stupid and unintelligent if they proffer
unsolicited, unwarranted, unprovoked or uncalled for demeaning
criticism to those who do (love folk music) or might (love folk
music). Baldly, cravenly beyond the pale, stupid.
Speaking of folk music, more than 90% of the music made in this world
is or has been folk music. It is mankind's oldest form of music.
Even the rural acoustic blues developed in the post-Civil War (post-
emancipation) bowels of the South (read: places like rural
Mississippi, for one) among liberated African-Americans or their
immediate descendents was THEIR folk music. Even the acapella
(emphasis) street corner harmony practiced by gathering groups of
urban youth, especially the style practiced in the 50's) especially
with native, new or made up compositions is really a kind of folk
music.
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 7:34 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> <snip for brevity/point focus>
>
> > So if I don't like Bud and Travis it means that I am unintelligent?
>
> > Lots of people hate folk music in general....are they all stupid?
>
> No, not at all. They are stupid and unintelligent if they proffer
> unsolicited, unwarranted, unprovoked or uncalled for demeaning
> criticism to those who do (love folk music) or might (love folk
> music). Baldly, cravenly beyond the pale, stupid.
>
> Speaking of folk music, more than 90% of the music made in this world
> is or has been folk music.
Intereseting. That means that it has something in common with shitty
music, since over 90% of the music made in this world is shitty music.
Seek Help
> Other opinions offered here in balance and to offer perspective to the
> opinion of the local music nazi:
>
> "Bud and Travis were the best.
> No one of their ilk could even touch them.
> When they got on stage and did their thing,
> there was nothing like it. Wonderful."
>
> --Erik Darling, The Weavers
>
> {poster's note: Quote courtesy of www.budandtravis.com, but also the
> liner notes to one of their CD reissues.}
> ..............................................................................
> ..............................................................................
> ..........
> Feelings behind the song (nice essay and approximate English
> translations, offered) written up at; worth reading:
>
> www.travisedmonson.com/malaguena.htm
> ..............................................................................
> ..............................................................................
> ........
Todd Lucas
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> people whose knowledge and experience with music overwhelms yours.
Really, how would you expect Bruce or most anyone to react, when you
make a condescending post like this?
yougotl...@yahoo.com
Todd,
If I may say so, I think the much greater travesty was performed by
Bruce when he hurled, in a totally unwarranted fashion, some really
vitriolic level of deliberately filthy insults towards me, that were
totally uncalled for and unnecessary, with his initial response to my
opening post on December 9th.
This like criticizing first the penny-foolish person instead of the
pound-foolish person first, or wasting time and money treating a rash,
when one has pneumonia, assuming you were aware of Bruce's December
9th "reaction". The root of all evil (or, if you will, whatever
evil) here is this frame, is Bruce's naked aggression and overreaching
incivility. In fairness to gulliverfoyle2, this should be pointed
out, so the perspective is balanced, even if gulliverfoyle2 has some
bit of fault here. Nobody should be overlooking or making excuses
for the far greater indignities Bruce has initiated here, if we are
going to start criticizing people for their behavior.
Larry
Todd Lucas
Maybe I can brush-off someone being a jerk a lot easier than I can
brush-off condescension.
gullive...@yahoo.com
Clearly, I was baiting him. Easy target, actually. And while it might
be condescending, based on his quotes on this thread alone, it is
obviously true. On Usenet, it is fair to be condescending when people
willingly make fools of themselves. Then he has the right to resort to
insults when he can't do any better. I will admit that Mr.
yougotlucky215 did a much better job of putting him in his place, but
we aren't all that articulate.
BTW, there are many fine memories and a description of Travis's
Memorial service following his passing last May available for
interested fans at : travisedmonson.com
By the way, I did not mean to imply that I know much more than him,
but, mixed in with the poseurs, many who post here are quite
knowledgeable and would immediately know Bud and Travis's legacy.
50s
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> By the way, I did not mean to imply that I know much more than him,
Nobody around here would possibly believe that. That's why I didn't
bother to respond to it.
I forgot more than you know about 1950s music, schmuck.
Now go back to your celebratie gossip group where you belong.
gullive...@yahoo.com
You can spot an inferiority complex long distance when fools start
bragging about what they've forgotten. I'll give up if you tell us
honestly how Bud and Travis and their overwhelming critical success
got by you and your wealth of knowledge. Do you really just hate folk
music? Can you even define folk music? Would you know it if it bit you
on your ass? No Weavers music in your collection, no Woody Guthrie,
Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan? No Kingston Trio, no Peter, Paul, and Mary?
Not even any real folk music?
But, I could believe you've forgotten lots of things. most things,
even. You've probably forgotten more than you currently know. Do you
know where your car keys are at this moment?
50s
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 9:41 am, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12, 10:22 am, "gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > By the way, I did not mean to imply that I know much more than him,
>
> > Nobody around here would possibly believe that. That's why I didn't
> > bother to respond to it.
>
> > I forgot more than you know about 1950s music, schmuck.
>
> > Now go back to your celebratie gossip group where you belong.
>
> You can spot an inferiority complex long distance when fools start
> bragging about what they've forgotten. I'll give up if you tell us
> honestly how Bud and Travis and their overwhelming critical success
> got by you and your wealth of knowledge.
Why should I give a fuck what critics think? But I don't think they
think all that much considering that here is not one entry for Bud And
Travis on acclaimedmusic.net, the site where they keep track of all
critics ratings. If they had "overwhelming" critical acclaim they
would be listed on that site.
>>Do you really just hate folk music?
No, I like it more than most fans of 50s music do. The top poster on
this board, Roger Ford, is on record as saying that he does not like
folk music.
Can you even define folk music? Would you know it if it bit you
> on your ass? No Weavers music in your collection, no Woody Guthrie,
> Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan? No Kingston Trio, no Peter, Paul, and Mary?
> Not even any real folk music?
> But, I could believe you've forgotten lots of things. most things,
> even. You've probably forgotten more than you currently know. Do you
> know where your car keys are at this moment?
I have lots of folk music, but this particluar Bud And Travis song
still blows.
gullive...@yahoo.com
Did you notice that you did not toss in any gratuitous insults in that
post? I am proud of you.
However, I did notice that you implied you do not care what critics
say, and then referenced a critical site.
But we never let internal logic rule our posting, do we?
And your last sentence should read something like "although some
people like it quite well, I think the song blows". I said early on
you are entitled to your opinion, but remember, your initial post
said,
"Boy this is brutal. Sounds like the lounge act on the Odd Couple
when
Felix and Oscar went to the Caribbean on one esisode.
THIS is your favorite song of the decade?
I knew you had shit taste, but this is really beyond shit."
Here's a comment from someone who also doesn't like the song:
"I don't like this song at all, but I remember liking a song by Bud &
Travis
called "I Saw Her," which sounded sort of like a madrigal. Can't find
it
anywhere now, unfortunately. My tastes have changed a lot since my
ignorant
folkie days.
(I say ignorant because I was willing to accept white bread American
versions of traditional material from other cultures and countries,
and
because I didn't understand the political history of "folk music" in
America. Which B&T may not have been a part of, I don't know, but
the
Weavers sure were.)
Notice the difference in tone, in taste, in intelligence.
50s
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> However, I did notice that you implied you do not care what critics
> say, and then referenced a critical site.
Like I said, I don't care what critics think. I have my own ears.
There are plenty fo critically acclaimed acts (Velvet Underground)
that I will tell you are complete and utter dogshit.
I referenced the critical site to prove you wrong about your claim of
overwhelming critical priase for those two hacks, Bud and Travis. None
of their songs or albums have ever been overwhelmingly or even
somewhat acclaimed.
> And your last sentence should read something like "although some
> people like it quite well, I think the song blows". I said early on
> you are entitled to your opinion, but remember, your initial post
> said,
>
> "Boy this is brutal. Sounds like the lounge act on the Odd Couple
> when
> Felix and Oscar went to the Caribbean on one esisode.
> THIS is your favorite song of the decade?
> I knew you had shit taste, but this is really beyond shit."
And I stand by this statement. The song blows and does sound like what
i described above.
> Here's a comment from someone who also doesn't like the song:
>
> "I don't like this song at all, but I remember liking a song by Bud &
> Travis
> called "I Saw Her," which sounded sort of like a madrigal. Can't find
> it
> anywhere now, unfortunately. My tastes have changed a lot since my
> ignorant
> folkie days.
> (I say ignorant because I was willing to accept white bread American
> versions of traditional material from other cultures and countries,
> and
> because I didn't understand the political history of "folk music" in
> America. Which B&T may not have been a part of, I don't know, but
> the
> Weavers sure were.)
>
> Notice the difference in tone, in taste, in intelligence.
I notice the difference in tone and taste, but there's no difference
in intelligence. It doesn't make somebody more (or less) intelligent
if they prefer to be polite in their posts.
gullive...@yahoo.com
the thread and you still say
"your claim of overwhelming critical priase for those two hacks, Bud
and Travis. None
of their songs or albums have ever been overwhelmingly or even
somewhat acclaimed."
You think it blows, others find it a classic representation of a
narrow musical form.
I think people should be reasonably polite; you could care less. You
seem to find it a necessity to keep referencing intelligence, which,
by the way, is not the same as having knowledge, while I tend to judge
people's intelligence by their spelling, logic, and willingness to
treat others with a modicum of respect.
We just disagree, about many things.
50s
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Boy, are you thick. All those critical praises were posted early in
> the thread and you still say
> "your claim of overwhelming critical priase for those two hacks, Bud
> and Travis. None
> of their songs or albums have ever been overwhelmingly or even
> somewhat acclaimed."
> Whatever "priase" is.
> You think it blows, others find it a classic representation of a
> narrow musical form.
Others can find it what they want. I find it to be shit.
And those "reviews" that were posted were mostly customer reviews on
Amazon. I can go on there and post my own review about how the items
sucks. What does that prove? There was no "critical praise," just
reviews from Amazon and praise from one of the Weavers.
> I think people should be reasonably polite; you could care less. You
> seem to find it a necessity to keep referencing intelligence, which,
> by the way, is not the same as having knowledge, while I tend to judge
> people's intelligence by their spelling, logic, and willingness to
> treat others with a modicum of respect.
So you admit you have no clue as to how to guage intelligence so you
just made up your own measures. As it happens, the more intelligient
somneone is, the MORE likey he is NOT to be polite.
Now, we can keep this thread going as long as you want, I will be sure
to keep saying how this Bud and Travis song is shit in every one of my
posts.
gullive...@yahoo.com
Your comment about politeness and intelligence is undocumented,
unsupported and your fantasy.
When you talk about me "guage intelligence", I assume you mean gauge
intelligence, something I have done for a living for the past nearly
40 years. There are a lot of definitions of intelligence and ways to
gauge them. Trust me, the one constant is that you need to suspect
someone who feels a need to always tell you how intelligent they are.
Even if it were true (note subjunctive mood), it shows a significant
problem. Either they doubt it themselves, or they cannot seem to
convince others, or most likely, harbor feelings of inadequacy.
Feel free to answer, but I'm done. You think it blows, many others
don't.
Why don't you start a thread of some of your favorite songs?
Uni
Come on, less fighting more love. Besides, it's Hanukkah, so buy a gift
bone for 50's boy and you'll have him chewing and he'll remain quiet!
Uni :-)
gullive...@yahoo.com
Actually, I forgot to mention that, while I like some Velvet
Underground modestly, I agree that they are overrated, a critic's
band.
50s
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Trust me,
LOL.....whenever someone feels the need to preface a statement with
"trust me: it means that they have a lot of self doubt in what they
are trying to say.
And this Bud and Travis thing blows.
Todd Lucas
<gulliverfoy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I will admit that Mr.
> yougotlucky215 did a much better job of putting him in his place, but
> we aren't all that articulate.
By articulate, you must mean writing two paragraphs where two
sentences will do just fine. I say, thank goodness we're not all that
articulate.
50s
LOL....I was thinking the same thing.
RWC
>When you talk about me "guage intelligence", I assume you mean gauge
>intelligence, something I have done for a living for the past nearly
>40 years.
You have been gauging intelligence for the past 40 years?
Tell us more, if you will, so we can independently assess your
credibility, sir.
> There are a lot of definitions of intelligence and ways to
>gauge them. Trust me, the one constant is that you need to suspect
>someone who feels a need to always tell you how intelligent they are.
And you also have to suspect someone who cannot space out their
written thoughts in order to communicate clearly. "Chunky paragraphs"
might indicate suss intelligence, gulliverfoyle2.
>Even if it were true (note subjunctive mood), it shows a significant
>problem. Either they doubt it themselves, or they cannot seem to
>convince others, or most likely, harbor feelings of inadequacy.
gulliverfoyle2, what is the relevance, to this or any thread, of this
"problem" (doubting themselves, cannot convince others, harboring
feelings of inadequacy)? You are clearly taking this debate
personally and deperately trying to win with irrelevant argument.
It seems, gulliverfoyle2, that you are a self-doubting troublemaker -
dare I suggest you are from an ethnic blue collar background with a
chip on your shoulder? This is not a crime, but what is a crime, is
that your feelings of inadequacy are causing you to make cheap attacks
on vulnerable folk - such as Bruce.
:-)