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Greg Bullough

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Oct 14, 1991, 12:06:09 PM10/14/91
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Okay, it's a spectacular song, and we hear it all the time.

Can someone detail the origins of "Byker Hill?"

I wouldn't mind a set of e-mail lyrics, either.

Greg

Toby Koosman

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Oct 15, 1991, 1:23:00 PM10/15/91
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In article <ffI101l...@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, gr...@uts.amdahl.com
(Greg Bullough) writes...

I've read or heard something about the background of this song but can't
lay my hands (or memory) on it. I know it is one that Albert Lloyd sang.
Here are the words I sing (which may contain embarassing corruptions, I
disclaim).

If I had another penny
I would have another jill
I would make the piper play
the Bonny Lass of Byker Hill

chorus:
Byker Hill and Walker Shore
Collier lads forevermore
Byker Hill and Walker Shore
Collier lads forevermore

The pitman and the keelman [sp?] trim
They drink bumble made from gin
Then to dance they do begin
To the tune of Elsie Marlie

[chorus]

When first I went down to the dirt
I had no cowell [sp?] and no pit shirt
Now I've got me two or three
Walker Pit's done well by me

[chorus]

Geordie Charleton had a pig
He hit it with a shovel and it danced a jig
All the way to Walker Shore
to the tune of Elsie Marlie

[chorus]


I think part of the appeal of this song is that it is both exciting and easy
to sing, at least to the tune I know, which has so little range that I have
been known to raise the key deliberately, for effect, two or three times while
singing it.

-Toby

Lindsay F. Marshall

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Oct 16, 1991, 3:54:37 AM10/16/91
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(I can just about see Byker from my office window)

Here's an indication of the song as I know it.

koo...@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
>If I had another penny
>I would have another jill

gill = 0.125 of a pint


>I would make the piper play

have fiddler


>the Bonny Lass of Byker Hill

>chorus:
>Byker Hill and Walker Shore
>Collier lads forevermore
>Byker Hill and Walker Shore
>Collier lads forevermore

>The pitman and the keelman [sp?] trim

= man who rowed a keel, a small boat for carrying coal.


>They drink bumble made from gin
>Then to dance they do begin
>To the tune of Elsie Marlie

Marley = a well known jig and song. EM was the
wife of an innkeeper at the Barley Mow
inn, Pictreee near Chester-le-Street.
She was a popular local figure.
She fell into a water filled coal mine
and drowned August 5, 1768


>[chorus]

>When first I went down to the dirt

When I first came to the dirt


>I had no cowell [sp?] and no pit shirt

coat (though cowell sounds authentic)


>Now I've got me two or three

getten


>Walker Pit's done well by me

Them Walker Pits done well by me (or Thise if you want the RP version)

>[chorus]

>Geordie Charleton had a pig

Thompson (though Charleton is just as likely)


>He hit it with a shovel and it danced a jig
>All the way to Walker Shore

Duncan's Rigg (which rhymes!!!!)


>to the tune of Elsie Marlie

>[chorus]

The poor coal cutter gets a shilling,
The deputy gets half a crown
The hour man gets five and sixpence
Just for riding up and down

[chorus]

There is reputedly one more verse, which someone has promised me, but
which I haven't got yet. The song is in Lloyd's Come all ye bold miners.

>I think part of the appeal of this song is that it is both exciting and easy
>to sing, at least to the tune I know, which has so little range that I have
>been known to raise the key deliberately, for effect, two or three times while
>singing it.

Well, if its the same tune I find it quite hard (remmebering that I
cant sing of course). The tune used is (I think) an old hymn. I have
heard other tunes used as well though.

Lindsay
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Henry Ford

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Oct 16, 1991, 11:18:50 AM10/16/91
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There is a wonderful slow tune which alters the whole meaning of
the song. If anyone wants it, I'll write it out and mail it.
Henry Ford.

Greg Bullough

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Oct 17, 1991, 12:55:51 PM10/17/91
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In article <1991Oct16....@newcastle.ac.uk> Lindsay....@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:
>
>(I can just about see Byker from my office window)
>
>Here's an indication of the song as I know it.
>
>koo...@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
>>If I had another penny
>>I would have another jill
> gill = 0.125 of a pint

...-pot ,half-a-gill, quarter-gill, nipperkin, and the brown bowl!

er, sorry, I got caught up in the moment. Must of been that
"@newcastle" bit.

Greg

Daniel Rosenblum

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Oct 18, 1991, 7:40:37 PM10/18/91
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In <15OCT199...@utkvx1.utk.edu>, koo...@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
writes, about the song "Byker Hill":

> I've read or heard something about the background of this song but can't
> lay my hands (or memory) on it. I know it is one that Albert Lloyd sang.

> [stuff deleted]


> I think part of the appeal of this song is that it is both exciting and easy
> to sing, at least to the tune I know, which has so little range that I have
> been known to raise the key deliberately, for effect, two or three times while
> singing it.

In <1991Oct16....@newcastle.ac.uk>,
Lindsay....@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall), following up on


the previously mentioned message, writes:

> Well, if its the same tune I find it quite hard (remmebering that I
> cant sing of course). The tune used is (I think) an old hymn. I have
> heard other tunes used as well though.

Huh? The recording that I have of A. L. Lloyd singing this certainly
doesn't fit either of these descriptions. First of all, his tune is a
fast one with a rhythm that I would expect to find in Balkan folk dance
music: 2/8 + 2/8 + 2/8 + 3/8 (it's the same rhythm that Dave Brubeck
uses in the first 27 beats of the "Blue Rondo a la Turk", or however he
spells Turk, theme, until he switches to ordinary 9/8 for the last 9
beats). This hardly sounds like any hymn tune that I could imagine.
Second, I seem to recall that the syllable "Shore" is on a note that's
enough higher than the rest that it makes the range more than the "so
little" one that is mentioned in the first quoted message above.
--
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