wedding folk songs?
Sbaggi
outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas? thanks.
much obliged!
steve and melanie
Solas34
named Unbroken Chain.
They have many other songs that would be appropriate for weddings.
http://songs.com/kammac
Haley
Patrick Harkins
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Abby Sale
>looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate into our
>outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas? thanks.
>much obliged!
>
"outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist"????
About all that comes to mind is "Froggie Went A-courting."
I think the generally-used term for a non-binding, non-sex relationship is
"acquaintances."
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Boycott South Carolina!
Harold Groot
wrote:
>>looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate into our
>>outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas? thanks.
>"outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist"????
>About all that comes to mind is "Froggie Went A-courting."
>I think the generally-used term for a non-binding, non-sex relationship is
>"acquaintances."
I'm a bit puzzled by this response, Abby. You seem to be reading into
this something I'm not. Where did either "non-binding" or "non-sex"
come from?
One can have a purely civil wedding, totally non-denominational, and
it is still a full-fledged legal wedding, completely binding.
The request was for "non-sexIST" songs, which I took to mean complete
equality between the partners (as opposed to the traditional
male-dominant phrase that a woman will "love, honor and OBEY" her
husband). Nothing in the original request about sex not being part of
the marriage.
Would you care to reconsider your response?
Abby Sale
wrote:
No, probably not.
"nondenominational" is a modern bit of jargon that generally winds up
meaning "all non-Catholic Christian's welcome." It certainly doesn't mean
"civil" in this neck of the woods. Other than that, I may extend the
language a bit but this is a folk group & it's my prerogatives.
Legal marriage requires (just about anywhere - worldwide civil or religious
or historically) just two acts - a publicly accepted open declaration of
the fact (the official does not bestow the marriage - only recognizes the
couple's declaration of it) plus the sex act. Florida, eg, has limited the
accepted forms of "declaration" but the principle is the same.
Lack of accepted roles or serious contractual obligation in marriage is, to
me, an overt acceptance of the act's inconsequence and lack of permanence.
As to obedience - well husbands have little enough chance of getting much
obedience out of their wives. Might as well give the concept a boost up at
the outset & hope it may stick.
No, I'll stick with the "Froggie Went A-courting" (previously known as "A
Moste Strange Weddinge of the Frogge and the Mouse") Their relationship is
no arbitrary pairing and likely follows Homer. It was mentioned in a
certain scholarly paper by Ambrose Bierce:
FROG, n. A reptile with edible legs. The first mention of frogs in
profane literature is in Homer's narrative of the war between them and
the mice. Skeptical persons have doubted Homer's authorship of the
work, but the learned, ingenious and industrious Dr. Schliemann has
set the question forever at rest by uncovering the bones of the slain
frogs. One of the forms of moral suasion by which Pharaoh was
besought to favor the Israelities was a plague of frogs, but Pharaoh,
who liked them _fricasees_, remarked, with truly oriental stoicism,
that he could stand it as long as the frogs and the Jews could; so the
programme was changed. The frog is a diligent songster, having a good
voice but no ear. The libretto of his favorite opera, as written by
Aristophanes, is brief, simple and effective -- "brekekex-koax"; the
music is apparently by that eminent composer, Richard Wagner. Horses
have a frog in each hoof -- a thoughtful provision of nature, enabling
them to shine in a hurdle race.
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I am Abby Sale - as...@ft.newyorklife.com (That's in Orlando)
Boycott South Carolina!
Oige
The Song's called " I buried my wife and danced on top of her" from the CD
"Playing with fire" 1995
Just kidding
Good luck with your wedding.
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>looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate into our
>outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas? thanks.
bogus address
>> looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate
>> into our outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony.
> "I buried my wife and danced on top of her"
Or that old romantic Burns...
Who I wish were maggots' meat
Dished up in her winding sheet
I would write - but Meg might see't,
So whistle o'er the lave o't.
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>looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to
>incorporate into our outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist
>wedding ceremony. any ideas?
Ah, but how romantic do you want to go? How about "All That Is"
by Garnet Rogers?
"Who can tell when in love you'll finally fall?/Some live in
vain and never love at all/But as lightning strikes or as a small,
insistent voice/If we are blessed, we will hear and heed the call"
It's from the album "Sparrow's Wing." Garnet's website is
easy to remember: www.garnetrogers.com
Mary
"It's a small world, but I'd hate to have to paint it."
(Remove "haha" from address to reply.)
Abby Sale
>> looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate
>> into our outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony.
> What about a song from Dervish altough they are Irish [...]
> "I buried my wife and danced on top of her"
There's a wedding/anniversary song I've sung nigh on to 40 years I got from
the Ewan MacColl _Broadsides_ record on Folkways. I love the song and, as
it happens, so does the wife. I sing it to warn other poor, unsuspecting
young men to be on guard - beware - women are violent, possessive, jealous
scolding harridans. Young men should, I feel, be warned:
Thus marriage is an enterprise,
Experience doth show,
But scolding is an exercise.
That married men do know;
The wife likes it, too, feeling that this is all true & men better watch
their behavior or else.
It's a great, catchy tune & chorus but I've never heard anyone sing it but
MacColl. He notes it seem to go back to late 1500s and (if I recall) get a
mention in Shakespear. I don't have any information that it ever went into
tradition, though - doesn't seem to have been collected or otherwise
recorded. A shame. It's a very short broadside, too, at a mere 24 verses
- the 12 I sing are in DigTrad but I couldn't do up the tune.
I recommend it, as I said, to those thinking of committing themselves &
wonder if any (Bruce?) know any more recordings or if it did go into
tradition anywhere. I don't find it in "Scarce Songs" nor in Jane Kiefer's
index.
GIVE ME MY YELLOW HOSE
When I was a bachelor,
I led a merry life,
But now I am a married man,
And troubled with a wife.
I cannot do as I have done,
Because I live in fear;
If I but go to Islington,
My wife is watching there.
Give me my yellow hose again,
Give me my yellow hose
For now my wife she watcheth me,
See yonder where she goes.
But when I was apprentice bound,
And my indentures made,
In many faults I have been found,
Yet never thus afraid,
For if I chance now by the way
A woman for to kiss,
The rest are ready for to say,
Thy wife shall hear of this.
Give me my yellow hose, etc.
Thus when I come in company,
I pass my mirth in fear,
For one or other merrily
Will say my wife is there.
And then my look doth make them laugh,
To see my woeful case,
How I stand like John-Hold-My-Staff,
And dare not show my face.
Give me my yellow hose, etc.
Thus marriage is an enterprise,
Experience doth show,
But scolding is an exercise.
That married men do know;
For all this while there were no blows
Yet still their tongues were talking,
And very fain would yellow hose
Have had her fists a walking.
Give me my yellow hose, etc.
ŠThis maketh bachelors to halt,
So long before they wed,
Because they hear that women now
Will be their husband's head.
And seven long year I tarried
For Jackaman my wife,
But now that I am married,
I'm weary of my life.
Give me my yellow hose, etc.
But now I see she is so hot,
And lives so much at ease,
I will go get a soldier's coat,
And sail beyond the seas;
To serve my captain where and when,
Though it be to my pain,
Thus farewell, gentle Jackaman,
Till we two meet again.
Give me my yellow hose, etc.
Sue Quick
> It's a great, catchy tune & chorus but I've never heard anyone sing it but
> MacColl. He notes it seem to go back to late 1500s and (if I recall) get a
> mention in Shakespear. I don't have any information that it ever went into
> tradition, though - doesn't seem to have been collected or otherwise
> recorded. A shame. It's a very short broadside, too, at a mere 24 verses
>
>
> When I was a bachelor,
> I led a merry life,
> But now I am a married man,
> And troubled with a wife.
> I cannot do as I have done,
> Because I live in fear;
> If I but go to Islington,
> My wife is watching there.
> Give me my yellow hose again,
> Give me my yellow hose
> For now my wife she watcheth me,
> See yonder where she goes.
>
This was recorded by the City Waites in the mid- 70's. The group are
still going, but their website http://www.citywaites.com/ doesn't give
details of their currently available records, so I don't know if it's on
any of them.
Kevin Sheils
>
> On 10 Mar 2000 12:08:50 GMT, bo...@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address) wrote:
>
> >> looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate
> >> into our outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony.
>
> > What about a song from Dervish altough they are Irish [...]
> > "I buried my wife and danced on top of her"
>
> There's a wedding/anniversary song I've sung nigh on to 40 years I got from
> the Ewan MacColl _Broadsides_ record on Folkways. I love the song and, as
> it happens, so does the wife. I sing it to warn other poor, unsuspecting
> young men to be on guard - beware - women are violent, possessive, jealous
> scolding harridans. Young men should, I feel, be warned:
>
> Thus marriage is an enterprise,
> Experience doth show,
> But scolding is an exercise.
> That married men do know;
>
> The wife likes it, too, feeling that this is all true & men better watch
> their behavior or else.
>
> MacColl. He notes it seem to go back to late 1500s and (if I recall) get a
> mention in Shakespear. I don't have any information that it ever went into
> tradition, though - doesn't seem to have been collected or otherwise
> recorded. A shame. It's a very short broadside, too, at a mere 24 verses
>
> I recommend it, as I said, to those thinking of committing themselves &
> wonder if any (Bruce?) know any more recordings or if it did go into
> tradition anywhere. I don't find it in "Scarce Songs" nor in Jane Kiefer's
> index.
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I recall Royston Wood singing "Yellow Hose" way back but never recorded
by him AFAIK.
One of those songs I've known the tune and first verse/chorus for years
and planned to learn but never got round to, so thanks for the words.
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Harry Rosensteel
"If I Should Fall Behind"
from the album LUCKY TOWN
IMHO the best wedding song ever.
"We said we'd walk together, baby, come what may
That come the twilight, should we lose our way.
If as we're walking, a hand should slip free
I'll wait for you, and should I fall behind, wait for me."
The rest of the lyrics are just as great.
Be good to each other. Be patient with each other. Love each other. Good
luck!
Blair and Laurie Mahaffy
Hope I'm not too late to contribute:
How about Roseville Fair -- a fantastic love song.
Bramble and the Rose is great but when I've done it I've re-worded the
second verse as its not fitting.
If you want to throw in a bit of Irish: Mairi's Wedding is one of my
favourites -- there's people having a great deal of fun! And of
course, there's Wild Mountain Thyme.
Best wishes Steve and Melanie!
>looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate into our
george_hawes
the tune "The History Man" (Chris Wood - possibly the best modern
composition in Folk style). The pairing is on Chris Wood/Andy
Cutting's first recording, and is WELL worth getting hold of.
G
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> If you want to throw in a bit of Irish: Mairi's Wedding is one of
> my favourites -- there's people having a great deal of fun!
It's Scottish. It was written in the 1930s; the Mhairi in question
is still alive.
> And of course, there's Wild Mountain Thyme.
There's no suggestion that the couple are going to get married in
that song, is there?
RG
traditional song and James Taylor did it on his "New Moon
shine" album. The 3rd verse, I think it was, was a little
questionable but never the less its a beautiful song. Give it a
listen.
Paul Burke
> > And of course, there's Wild Mountain Thyme.
>
> There's no suggestion that the couple are going to get married in
> that song, is there?
>
Not in the Kippers' version, certainly.
What's that song that starts:
The gaffer's getting worried and the flats(?) are in a stir
(somebody I can't remember) is getting married and tomorrow she'll no be
here..
Paul Burke
bogus address
> At our wedding we had a friend sing "The Water Is Wide", It's a
> traditional song
...about being irreversibly dumped.
Could be worse. Somebody on Scots-L a while back suggested their
list of wedding music and most of it was laments for dead wives.
Nigel Gatherer
> ...What's that song that starts:
> The gaffer's getting worried and the flats(?) are in a stir
> (somebody I can't remember) is getting married and tomorrow she'll no be
> here..
"The Spinner's Wedding", written by Mary Brooksbank of Dundee (and it was
Jessie Brodie, if my memory works).
Incidentally, my book of Dundee songs, which contains two versions of this
song, is being republished in a few months; watch out for it!
--
Nigel Gatherer, Edinburgh
mailto:gath...@argonet.co.uk
Abby Sale
>Could be worse. Somebody on Scots-L a while back suggested their
>list of wedding music and most of it was laments for dead wives.
I'd like to see that list. Do you still have it handy? I've been chained
since 1966 but always like to believe there's still hope.
bswe...@my-deja.com
sba...@aol.com (Sbaggi) wrote:
> looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate
into our
> outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas?
thanks.
> much obliged!
Family's Single Girl to balance it out? Words are at Digital Trad.
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Before you buy.
bogus address
>> Somebody on Scots-L a while back suggested their list of wedding
>> music and most of it was laments for dead wives.
> I'd like to see that list. Do you still have it handy? I've been
> chained since 1966 but always like to believe there's still hope.
I think the player actually included "Niel Gow's Lament for his Second
Wife", which could hardly be unknowing, but also threw in "Da Slockit
Licht" (Tom Anderson's lament for his wife, and one of the most moving
tunes I know) and Frank Jamieson's "Margaret Ann Robertson" (a lament
for his dead sister, who was presumably married or she'd have had the
same surname), and didn't know the background to either of the last two.
I wonder why Gow never wrote a lament for his *first* wife?
Abby Sale
>I think the player actually included "Niel Gow's Lament for his Second
>Wife",
>I wonder why Gow never wrote a lament for his *first* wife?
>
My goodness! I neglected to wish youu a Happy Niel Gow's birthday on
Wednesday. He's now 273 years old, too.
Well, maybe he had one good 'un & one bad 'un. An excellent average, if
that's the case.
I guess there are a number of laments for dead wives, then. But I'd bet
there are many more celebrations...
My wife she died, Oh then, Oh then,
My wife she died, Oh then,
My wife she died,
I laughed and I cried,
To think I was single again, again,
To think I was single again.
I married another, Oh then, Oh then,
I married another, Oh then,
I married another,
The devil's grandmother,
And I wished I was single again, again,
I wished I was single again.
Still, I guess either would make good wedding songs.
ham...@interport.net
> looking for some (contemporary American) folk songs to incorporate into our
> outdoor, nondenominational, non-sexist wedding ceremony. any ideas? thanks.
> much obliged!
>
> steve and melanie
A few suggestions, probably none of which fit the bill exactly, but I
can't resist adding my two cents' worth.
There is a beautiful French-Canadian wedding song called "Quand On S'Aime
Bien Tous les Deux" (loosely translated, "When Both of Us Love Each
Other"). I think it was actually a popular song of the mid-20th century,
but it's so commonly sung at weddings and anniversaries among
French-Canadians that it's acquired the status of a folk song.
I don't think anyone's mentioned "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine," or "When I
First Came to This Land." Both are songs of building a home and family,
and yes, both are a little on the paternalistic side.
At my own wedding reception, for a gag, I sang Hank Williams' "I'll Be a
Bachelor Till I Die."
And by the way, in my family, it's been traditional for three generations
to write personalized wedding songs, set to well-known tunes, and print up
little songbooks for the wedding so everyone can sing along. Some of these
songs have attained the status of family lore, and are still being sung
years later at family reunions and whatnot, so I highly recommend this as
a way of marking the event. For example, when my mother got remarried and
moved to Mississippi, my brother and I made up a song about that state to
the tune of "Oklahoma."