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Leigh

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Apr 1, 2002, 1:01:16 PM4/1/02
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Isn't this the same person that did those songs with Mercy Lackey a few
years back?

http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html

Leigh

Lee Gold

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Apr 1, 2002, 1:34:33 PM4/1/02
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Works for IE but not Netscape which says
/~arizonacentral/news/articles/D:\Joke\news\articles\images\button(1).js
was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Why do I get the feeling that Netscape is right and this is a Joke?

Oh yes, the date. That's right.

--Lee

John C. Bunnell

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Apr 1, 2002, 1:37:17 PM4/1/02
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> Isn't this the same person that did those songs with
> Mercy Lackey a few years back?

[blink]

"Mercy" Lackey?

I really, really hope this is an April Fool joke. (If not, it's a
decidedly odd news story, as it fails to give anything resembling an
explanation for *why* the police were raiding the house and/or lying in
wait.)

--
= John C. Bunnell
= JCBu...@sff.net
= http://www.sff.net/people/jcbunnell/

"If it weren't for great cinematographers, we'd all be in radio."
-- Julia Roberts


John C. Bunnell

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Apr 1, 2002, 2:25:01 PM4/1/02
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A bit of further investigating indicates that this is indeed a prank,
although it seems to be fairly cleverly executed -- the article can't be
reached from the real AzCentral, but it has *almost* the right URL
syntax. Moreover, an earlier draft of the article is sitting in the
next directory up -- purporting to be off the AP wire, yet.

Not funny, to my mind.

Karen Rodgers

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Apr 1, 2002, 2:26:11 PM4/1/02
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:34:33 GMT, Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com> wrote:

>> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
>
>Works for IE but not Netscape which says
>/~arizonacentral/news/articles/D:\Joke\news\articles\images\button(1).js
>was not found on this server.
>Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
>an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>
>Why do I get the feeling that Netscape is right and this is a Joke?
>
>Oh yes, the date. That's right.

I hope you're right.

Karen Rodgers

**********
Windbourne, folk singers of the future
http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********

John Creasey

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Apr 1, 2002, 3:28:28 PM4/1/02
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John C. Bunnell <JCBu...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:xN1q8.7998$ml2.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

> > Isn't this the same person that did those songs with
> > Mercy Lackey a few years back?
>
> [blink]
>
> "Mercy" Lackey?
>
> I really, really hope this is an April Fool joke. (If not, it's a
> decidedly odd news story, as it fails to give anything resembling an
> explanation for *why* the police were raiding the house and/or lying in
> wait.)

As the person most likely to be bombarded with questions on this
(and thank you to the kind soul who called me and tipped me off)--

First, I tried calling the house, and the answering machine is on. I will
keep trying until I at least get hold of one of her housemates. I also have
the work number of one of the housemates, and when I find that card I'll
call.
(OK--she trained me well enough that I used a calling card at
a pay phone and left no full name of number.)

Having read it, I see four things that don't add up in the article:

If she WAS grocery shopping at 0345 (which is not that farfetched,
considering
the hours she keeps), then she wouldn't be walking home. The market is
farther away
than that. She would be driving her ancient car. If she spotted the police
surrounding
the house, she wouldn't have even gone down the street, on foot OR in the
car.

Where were her housemates? One of them works days and sleeps nights, and the
other one is partially disabled (stroke victim). No mention of them is
given.

I know where she keeps some of what she owns, and if the cops HAD truly
raided
the place, they would have found them. AZ is a legal-own-and-carry state
(although you must have a permit for concealed carry).

And last, it said that she was heading to "...western Oregon in a stolen
Mercury
Comet..."--this I DO know, that western OR is one of the LAST places she
would go
if she was REALLY on the run. Think about who is in Portland, and her
history
with them.

I'm with John B. and Lee; this would seem to be a well-crafted April Fool's
joke.
Someone who knows her reputation AND some of her habits (although the
description doesn't quite match) did this.

I would dearly love to find out where it came from; I do have e-mail in to
the
reporter on the article. When I have anything new, I WILL tell the group.

And if ANYONE finds out who did this, and if this is really a joke---
use your imaginations, folks.


Mary Creasey

Sandy Tyra

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Apr 1, 2002, 3:34:07 PM4/1/02
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"John C. Bunnell" wrote:

> > Isn't this the same person that did those songs with
> > Mercy Lackey a few years back?
>
> [blink]
>
> "Mercy" Lackey?
>
> I really, really hope this is an April Fool joke. (If not, it's a
> decidedly odd news story, as it fails to give anything resembling an
> explanation for *why* the police were raiding the house and/or lying in
> wait.)
>
> --
> = John C. Bunnell

I can't even find anything about a house being raided. And isn't Ms.
Lackey usually called "Misty"?

Sandy

John Creasey

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Apr 1, 2002, 3:59:19 PM4/1/02
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Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3CA8AB66...@attbi.com...

Further research I did: I e-mailed the reporter whose edress is
on the bottom of the article (michae...@az-central.com).

I got a bounce with referral to the edress of the "Leigh" who posted the
original message.
leig...@earthlink.net is listed as "User Unknown".
No mention of the az-central address is given.

"Michael V. Smith"?? That also hit my alert sensor...

Mary

Filksinger

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Apr 1, 2002, 4:09:23 PM4/1/02
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"John Creasey" <jcre...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I would dearly love to find out where it came from; I do have e-mail in to
> the
> reporter on the article. When I have anything new, I WILL tell the group.
>
> And if ANYONE finds out who did this, and if this is really a joke---
> use your imaginations, folks.
>
>
> Mary Creasey

What if it was Leslie?

Melinda Hunter

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Apr 1, 2002, 4:10:06 PM4/1/02
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John, have you called the paper and found out what else they know?
Since this is likely a joke, they might not like having their name
taken in vain as it were.

From the www.az-central.com site I found these two potentially useful
numbers
Arizona Republic public editor
You can contact John D'Anna, The Arizona Republic's public editor,
via email at rea...@arizonarepublic.com, or by phone at (602) 444-2890.

News tips
You can contact us with news tips via e-mail at
news...@arizonarepublic.com
or by telephone at (602) 444-2466.

http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html

Leigh

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Apr 1, 2002, 4:24:23 PM4/1/02
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Please don't.

I confess. Leslie and I cooked this up together. Please don't call the
paper.

"Melinda Hunter" <mythh...@REMOVETHIS.october.com> wrote in message
news:3CA8CC8...@REMOVETHIS.october.com...

David G. Bell

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Apr 1, 2002, 5:32:13 PM4/1/02
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On Monday, in article
<10176964...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>
leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com "Leigh" wrote:

> Please don't.
>
> I confess. Leslie and I cooked this up together. Please don't call the
> paper.

Somehow, I seem to have missed any live URLs for this story...

Could somebody summarise the spoof, please. From what has been said, it
sounds as if it has been too wrong, too early. These things work best
if they suck the victim in, before you drop something in that snaps the
suspension of disbelief, leading the reader into a Coyote-like plummet
to the solid ground so far below them.


--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Mr. Punch's Advice to a Young Man About to Become a Farmer:
"Marry, instead."

Mary Crowell

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Apr 1, 2002, 6:11:03 PM4/1/02
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in article 10176964...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net, Leigh at
leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com wrote on 4/1/02 3:24 PM:

> Please don't.
>
> I confess. Leslie and I cooked this up together. Please don't call the
> paper.

>> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html


Drat! Is it already down? I wanted to read it. I second the request for
summarizing.

Mary

--
Alright! You're going the right way for a smacked bottom. Shrek to Donkey
in 'Shrek'

Lee Gold

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Apr 1, 2002, 6:13:52 PM4/1/02
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"David G. Bell" wrote:
>
> Somehow, I seem to have missed any live URLs for this story...

http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
use IE, not Netscape (which properly traces it to


/~arizonacentral/news/articles/D:\Joke\news\articles\images\button(1).js

and then says Not Found.


>
> Could somebody summarise the spoof, please.

Local anarchist in shootout with police, escapes
Michael Smith
The Arizona Republic
April 1st, 2002 09:40:00

Police raid an empty house in the early morning hours, only to be
surprised by the returning homeowner.


Phoenix police raided a house in the 5600 block of Catalina Drive at
3:45 AM today. The resident, Leslie Fish, was believed to be inside, as
police surveillance had not shown her to have left. Police were
surprised to find the house empty.

Police officials assumed that Fish had somehow spotted surveillance, and
had already fled the area. They were thus unprepared for her sudden
return.

"She just walked up to the house before she saw the cars outside,
carrying a bag of groceries," says Police Captain James Walker. "We saw
her at about the same time she saw us. Unfortunately, she realized who
we were before we noticed that she matched the description, and opened
fire."

Some locals dispute the police claim that Fish fired first. A nearby
resident, Teresa Tellez, claimed that police pulled guns and started
firing without warning. "She didn't do anything but stand there until
they started shooting. They acted like they thought she was some armed
nutcase."

Two police officers were injured in the resulting exchange of fire. Fish
fled on foot, and is believed to have stolen a vehicle and fled the
area.

Walker warned that Fish is armed and considered dangerous. "We have
reports that she had quite an arsenal, but we haven't found it. She is
known to be carrying a handgun, at least, and is very proficient."

Fish is known to locals as a proficient folksinger, who is often seen at
local haunts playing her music. She is reported to frequently
incorporate themes involving firearms, explosives, and anti-government
violence.

Fish is of below medium height, with long brown hair, and often wears
occult symbols. She is believed to be heading north in a stolen red
Mercury Comet. Police believe that she may be heading to Western Oregon.
They request information on her whereabouts,and warn that no one should
approach Fish for any reason.


Reach the reporter at michae...@az-central.com.

John C. Bunnell

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Apr 1, 2002, 6:50:24 PM4/1/02
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> From what has been said, it sounds as if it has been too
> wrong, too early. These things work best if they suck
> the victim in, before you drop something in that snaps the
> suspension of disbelief, leading the reader into a
> Coyote-like plummet to the solid ground so far below them.

Not so much "too wrong, too early" as too *right* -- and not funny
enough. The technomancy is quite clever until you start looking at it
backward and in detail; on the Internet Explorer side, it's easy to be
sucked in if you're not looking for the trick.

As for the faux news story, the trouble with it is that nothing in the
text is either sufficiently implausible or sufficiently funny to peg the
story as a joke. It's just well-written enough that it looks like a
normal news item; only if one stops to read carefully does one notice
the flaw: namely, that there isn't enough detail of the right kind to
support the story of what's supposed to have happened.

Now if the whole thing had taken place *inside* the filk community,
there'd be minimal cause for alarm or concern. What worries me here is
that it didn't -- this kind of Web-wizardry is difficult to keep
insulated or private, and it would be very easy for someone outside the
filk world to look at the faux page, take it literally, and set off
unfortunate repercussions out in Arizona where Leslie is. If just one
person *did* call the Arizona Republic (or e-mailed the genuine
azcentral.com Webmasters), the wheels that might set in motion might not
be easy to derail before unintended harm is done.

Michael Liebmann

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Apr 1, 2002, 6:58:24 PM4/1/02
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"Leigh" <leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:10176851...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net...
The link didn't work.

Michael Liebmann

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Apr 1, 2002, 7:02:12 PM4/1/02
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"Lee Gold" <lee...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3CA8AB66...@attbi.com...

Didn't work for me on IE at all. Could someone give details as to what this
story is saying?

David Ball

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Apr 1, 2002, 7:53:23 PM4/1/02
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:23 -0800, "Leigh"
<leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com> wrote:

>Please don't.
>
>I confess. Leslie and I cooked this up together. Please don't call the
>paper.

Ooops. I wish you had posted this request to alt.books.m-lackey like
you did the original message. I already checked with azcentral.com
and heard from them that the story was bogus. I only found out it
was posted here and saw your confession after I had heard from them.
Since the original message was posted separately rather than
crossposted, none of the discussion here showed up in
alt.books.m-lackey. I only found out it was posted here when I did a
google search.

-- David Ball

Wesley Struebing

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:09:40 PM4/1/02
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:50:24 GMT, "John C. Bunnell"
<JCBu...@sff.net> wrote:

>> From what has been said, it sounds as if it has been too
>> wrong, too early. These things work best if they suck
>> the victim in, before you drop something in that snaps the
>> suspension of disbelief, leading the reader into a
>> Coyote-like plummet to the solid ground so far below them.
>
>Not so much "too wrong, too early" as too *right* -- and not funny
>enough. The technomancy is quite clever until you start looking at it
>backward and in detail; on the Internet Explorer side, it's easy to be
>sucked in if you're not looking for the trick.
>
>As for the faux news story, the trouble with it is that nothing in the
>text is either sufficiently implausible or sufficiently funny to peg the
>story as a joke. It's just well-written enough that it looks like a
>normal news item; only if one stops to read carefully does one notice
>the flaw: namely, that there isn't enough detail of the right kind to
>support the story of what's supposed to have happened.

...err (I figured it must be a prank) - but what news story? All I
got at the site posted was apparently the main arizona republic page
(or is the page a hoax, too?)


>
>Now if the whole thing had taken place *inside* the filk community,
>there'd be minimal cause for alarm or concern. What worries me here is
>that it didn't -- this kind of Web-wizardry is difficult to keep
>insulated or private, and it would be very easy for someone outside the
>filk world to look at the faux page, take it literally, and set off
>unfortunate repercussions out in Arizona where Leslie is. If just one
>person *did* call the Arizona Republic (or e-mailed the genuine
>azcentral.com Webmasters), the wheels that might set in motion might not
>be easy to derail before unintended harm is done.

--
Some work of noble note, may yet be done - Tennyson's "Ulysses"

Wes Struebing
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
str...@americanisp.com
ph: 303-343-9006
home page: http://silicon.americanisp.net/~struebing/

Wesley Struebing

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:11:45 PM4/1/02
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:13:52 GMT, Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com> wrote:

>"David G. Bell" wrote:
>>
>> Somehow, I seem to have missed any live URLs for this story...
>
>http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
>use IE, not Netscape (which properly traces it to
>/~arizonacentral/news/articles/D:\Joke\news\articles\images\button(1).js
>and then says Not Found.
>>
>> Could somebody summarise the spoof, please.
>
>Local anarchist in shootout with police, escapes
>Michael Smith
>The Arizona Republic
>April 1st, 2002 09:40:00
>

Thank you, Lee.

(OY!)

David Ball

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:15:41 PM4/1/02
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:50:24 GMT, "John C. Bunnell"
<JCBu...@sff.net> wrote:


>As for the faux news story, the trouble with it is that nothing in the
>text is either sufficiently implausible or sufficiently funny to peg the
>story as a joke. It's just well-written enough that it looks like a
>normal news item; only if one stops to read carefully does one notice
>the flaw: namely, that there isn't enough detail of the right kind to
>support the story of what's supposed to have happened.

Unfortunately, with the quality of some of the legitimate news
stories I've seen on the web lately, it's not implausable at all.

-- David

David Wegener

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:33:58 PM4/1/02
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...and isn't Leslie (AFAIK from "Jenny Trout" in _Fallen Angels_) tall
enough *not* to be 'below average height?' Or did Messrs. Niven & Pournelle
give her a 'persona lift?'

--Dave, IIRC.

"John Creasey" <jcre...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message

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>
>snip!<


Shadowe Lover

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:36:24 PM4/1/02
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"Michael Liebmann" <sff...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:Jo6q8.4621$0T6.7...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com:

>
> "Lee Gold" <lee...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3CA8AB66...@attbi.com...
>> Leigh wrote:
>> >
>> > Isn't this the same person that did those songs with Mercy Lackey a
>> > few years back?
>> >
>> > http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
>>
>> Works for IE but not Netscape which says
>> /~arizonacentral/news/articles/D:\Joke\news\articles\images\button(1).

>> js was not found on this server.


>> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to
>> use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>>
>> Why do I get the feeling that Netscape is right and this is a Joke?
>>
>> Oh yes, the date. That's right.
>>
>> --Lee
>
> Didn't work for me on IE at all. Could someone give details as to
> what this story is saying?

I hope Leigh doesn't mind me posting this in it's full text, so people can
see for themselves. I was uncertain enough I sent Leslie a Link....

Blessings,
Shadowe Lover


Local anarchist in shootout with police, escapes
Michael Smith
The Arizona Republic
April 1st, 2002 09:40:00

Police raid an empty house in the early morning hours, only to be surprised

Mark A. Mandel

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:14:16 PM4/1/02
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John Creasey <jcre...@socal.rr.com> wrote:


: And last, it said that she was heading to "...western Oregon in a stolen


: Mercury : Comet..."--this I DO know, that western OR is one of the LAST
places she : would go : if she was REALLY on the run. Think about who is
in Portland, and her : history : with them.

Who is in Portland? What is her history with them? We don't all know.

(Unless it's private, of course.)

-- Mark M.

--
To reply by email, remove the obvious spam-blocker from my edress.

Mary Creasey

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:20:02 PM4/1/02
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David Wegener <dnswe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aU7q8.8818$ml2.7...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...

> ...and isn't Leslie (AFAIK from "Jenny Trout" in _Fallen Angels_) tall
> enough *not* to be 'below average height?' Or did Messrs. Niven &
Pournelle
> give her a 'persona lift?'
>
> --Dave, IIRC.

5'6", which I think is on the tall side of average for females in the USA.

Mary

Larry Kirby

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Apr 1, 2002, 9:20:21 PM4/1/02
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In article <3CA8ECDF...@attbi.com>, Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com> writes:

>Two police officers were injured in the resulting exchange of fire.

Obviously bogus. Insufficent casualties, no report of booby-trap
detonations, no mention of knife or sword wounds on officers. No mention of
pre-raid preparatory bombardment or black helicopter gas attack. In addition,
Fish household well known to local law enforcement, listed as "Leave Her Alone,
Better Armed Than Most Central American Countries". Also, thought of Leslie
being surprised ludicrous. Happy April 1st.


Larry

I finally remembered how to change my sig

Patrick Connors

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Apr 2, 2002, 11:24:42 AM4/2/02
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mond...@aol.com (Larry Kirby) wrote in message news:<20020401212021...@mb-mj.aol.com>...

And it's entirely too well-written to be any Arizona newspaper.

- Patrick Connors

John Creasey

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Apr 2, 2002, 12:02:33 PM4/2/02
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Larry Kirby <mond...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020401212021...@mb-mj.aol.com...

> In article <3CA8ECDF...@attbi.com>, Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com>
writes:
>
> >Two police officers were injured in the resulting exchange of fire.
>
> Obviously bogus. Insufficent casualties, no report of booby-trap
> detonations, no mention of knife or sword wounds on officers.

C'mon, Larry, Les wouldn't carry a sword to the market...
and the only booby-traps she has have fur, fangs and claws!

> No mention of
> pre-raid preparatory bombardment or black helicopter gas attack. In
addition,
> Fish household well known to local law enforcement, listed as "Leave Her
Alone,
> Better Armed Than Most Central American Countries".

Actually, it's more like "Leave her alone, she's not any better armed
(and worth our trouble) than a lot of other AZ citizens". She can't afford
anything exotic; that stuff costs serious bucks that she doesn't have.
AZ is an open-carry state; you can carry a piece in public so long as
it shows.

> Also, thought of Leslie being surprised ludicrous. Happy April 1st.

Agree. An anti-War Movement (and Civil Rights Movement) veteran
that survived this long and can live openly has better cop smarts than that.

Mary

Jette Goldie

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Apr 2, 2002, 1:12:34 PM4/2/02
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"Mary Creasey" <cre...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:mz8q8.18404$se.16...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


As tall as that? I'd swear I remember looking down at
her (not "down ON her") and I'm about that height.


--
Jette
(aka Vinyaduriel)
"Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" - Jim Byrnes
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html

Joe Kesselman (yclept Keshlam)

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Apr 2, 2002, 1:08:20 PM4/2/02
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John Creasey wrote:
> AZ is an open-carry state; you can carry a piece in public so long as
> it shows.

From a hack progress report for CON-TAC ("the 12-hour con"),
some years ago:
WEAPONS POLICY: Bring yours. We have ours.
(I know Phil Foglio was one of the culprets; I can't
remember offhand who the other three were.)

--
Joe Kesselman, http://www.lovesong.com/people/keshlam/
"All we are saying... is give piece [sic] a chance."

Matthew W. Miller

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Apr 2, 2002, 8:36:22 PM4/2/02
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:01:16 -0800, Leigh
<leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com> wrote:
> Isn't this the same person that did those songs with Mercy Lackey a few
> years back?
> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html

Web server seems to have gone down, but whois says

Registrant:
Arizona Publishing
XXXXX XXXXX XX XX
Kent, WA 98031
US

Registrar: Dotster (http://www.dotster.com)
Domain Name: AZ-CENTRAL.COM
Created on: 19-FEB-02
Expires on: 19-FEB-03
Last Updated on: 19-FEB-02

Administrative Contact:
Howard, Leigh leighgirl mindspring.com
Arizona Publishing
XXXXX XXXXX XX XX
Kent, WA 98031
US
XXX.XXX.XXXX
XXX.XXX.XXXX

Arizona Publishing, located in the state of Washington? And seemingly
owned by the very same person who posted this link? Who'd'a' thunk it.
--
Matthew W. Miller -- mwmi...@columbus.rr.com

Leslie Fish

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Apr 2, 2002, 10:56:21 PM4/2/02
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"David Wegener" <dnswe...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aU7q8.8818$ml2.7...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> ...and isn't Leslie (AFAIK from "Jenny Trout" in _Fallen Angels_) tall
> enough *not* to be 'below average height?' Or did Messrs. Niven &
Pournelle
> give her a 'persona lift?'
>
Heheheheh! Actually, I'm about 5'7", and my hair is black, not brown.
Still, it's a cute joke; Rambette, anyone?
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Jette Goldie" <jette...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> As tall as that? I'd swear I remember looking down at
> her (not "down ON her") and I'm about that height.

Hi, Jette! Hmmm, were you wearing any kind of high heels at the time?
I never wear any kind of heels; my ankles won't take it. My height varies
from 5'6-and-a-half" to 5'6-and-three-quarters" depending on time of day;
after walking around all day, I tend to slump a bit.
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--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Leigh" <leig...@REMOVETHECAPITALSmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Please don't.
>
> I confess. Leslie and I cooked this up together. Please don't call the
> paper.
>
Yup. Leigh asked me months ago if she could use my name for an April
Fool's prank that would look like a Rambo movie. So I said sure, go for it.
We were betting on how fast it would take you guys to figure it out; hey,
less than five hours from the original posting -- that's pretty good.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Larry Kirby" <mond...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Heheheheheh! My blushes, dear Watson.
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--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Patrick Connors" <p...@finger-rock.com> wrote in message
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No, it's quite stuffy enough to be the "Arizona Republican" (ooops,
that's "Republic"), but not quite tongue-in-cheek enough for the "New
Times".
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--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Joe Kesselman (yclept Keshlam)" <kes...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
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> John Creasey wrote:
> > AZ is an open-carry state; you can carry a piece in public so long as
> > it shows.
>
> From a hack progress report for CON-TAC ("the 12-hour con"),
> some years ago:
> WEAPONS POLICY: Bring yours. We have ours.
> (I know Phil Foglio was one of the culprets; I can't
> remember offhand who the other three were.)

Quite true. Occasionally somebody from out of state tries to "tame the
wild west" by banning weapons at a con -- or in a local store -- and we have
fun making them give up the idea. Case in point:
About five years ago, the local Radio Shack put up signs saying "No
Firearms Allowed", which rather annoyed several of us, including Robert
"Ozzie" Osman (now, alas, deceased). What Ozzie did was to phone Radio
Shack, claiming to be the manager of a small company (he actually did have a
small home-based business doing computer consulting, complete with business
cards) and saying that they wanted to "update their entire system". He
sucked in a manager on this, and by the time the phonecall was over, he'd
arranged to purchase something like $23,000 worth of computers and
equipment. He then said he'd come in personally to pick up the stuff and
pay for it. Well, next day he strolled into the store wearing his gun
openly on his hip. Of course, a salesmen intercepted him and pointed to the
"No Firearms" sign. Ozzie took out one of his cards, wrote a brief note
explaining why he couldn't do business with the store after all, handed them
both the the salesman and told him to take it to the manager, then turned
and walked out.
Next day, those signs came down.
Heheheheheh! Brilliant, was ol' Ozzie. We'll miss him.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"John C. Bunnell" <JCBu...@sff.net> wrote in message
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>
> It's just well-written enough that it looks like a
> normal news item; only if one stops to read carefully does one notice
> the flaw: namely, that there isn't enough detail of the right kind to
> support the story of what's supposed to have happened.

Uhuh. Like the "Mandlebrot Monk" April Fool's story that hoaxed a lot
of websters last year. How many fans fell for that one before somebody
thought to track it down?


>
> Now if the whole thing had taken place *inside* the filk community,
> there'd be minimal cause for alarm or concern.

Well, it was posted here -- and the site was taken down the very next
day. Slick enough, I'd say.

What worries me here is
> that it didn't -- this kind of Web-wizardry is difficult to keep
> insulated or private, and it would be very easy for someone outside the
> filk world to look at the faux page, take it literally, and set off
> unfortunate repercussions out in Arizona where Leslie is. If just one
> person *did* call the Arizona Republic (or e-mailed the genuine
> azcentral.com Webmasters), the wheels that might set in motion might not
> be easy to derail before unintended harm is done.

In Arizona? On April Fool's Day? You haven't listened to our local
talk-radio shows on April Fool's! Ah, you haven't lived until you've heard
Art Bell imitating Bill Clinton; absolute ROFL. Let nobody say that folks
in this state don't have a sense of humor -- or that the stuffy old AZ
Republic doesn't check their stories out. From what I've heard, all they
did was huff and puff and demand that Leigh turn over the site to them,
which she did, whereby they got what they wanted. No harm, no foul.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"David Ball" <db...@booksnbytes.com> wrote in message
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Aha! It went there, eh? Good. Don't tell them a thing! Let's see how
ridiculous they get before figuring it out; this bunch spotted the hoax in
less than five hours.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Too Goofy" <goofy...@foo.bar.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:14:16 GMT, "Mark A. Mandel"
> <m...@TheWorld.Take-This-Out.com> wrote:
>
> >John Creasey <jcre...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >: And last, it said that she was heading to "...western Oregon in a
stolen
> >: Mercury : Comet..."--this I DO know, that western OR is one of the LAST
> >places she : would go : if she was REALLY on the run. Think about who is
> >in Portland, and her : history : with them.
> >
> >Who is in Portland? What is her history with them? We don't all know.
> >
> >(Unless it's private, of course.)
>
> Portland is the home of Firebird Arts and Music.
>
Ho ho ho! Don't tell THEM the story's bogus; I want to see how long it
takes them to figure it out. Heheheheh!
--
--Leslie <;)))><


David G. Bell

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On Tuesday, in article
<Julq8.17160$zN.66...@twister.socal.rr.com>
jcre...@socal.rr.com "John Creasey" wrote:

> Larry Kirby <mond...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020401212021...@mb-mj.aol.com...
> > In article <3CA8ECDF...@attbi.com>, Lee Gold <lee...@attbi.com>
> writes:
> >
> > >Two police officers were injured in the resulting exchange of fire.
> >
> > Obviously bogus. Insufficent casualties, no report of booby-trap
> > detonations, no mention of knife or sword wounds on officers.
>
> C'mon, Larry, Les wouldn't carry a sword to the market...
> and the only booby-traps she has have fur, fangs and claws!


Is it true that she pute the catnip-filled toy mice in blue uniforms?


--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Mr. Punch's Advice to a Young Man About to Become a Farmer:
"Marry, instead."

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April fools or true?

On 2002-04-01 lee...@attbi.com said: (Well quoted might be a better way
to say it):

>Fish is of below medium height, with long brown hair, and often
>wears occult symbols. She is believed to be heading north in a
>stolen red Mercury Comet. Police believe that she may be heading to
>Western Oregon.

Clearly a 4/1 thing, I mean who would steal a Mercury Comet?

John F Davis, WA8YXM, In Delightful Detroit, aa...@detroit.freenet.org
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"


Net-Tamer V 1.13 Beta - Registered

j...@mich.com

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On 2002-04-03 lesli...@earthlink.net said:

>pointed to the "No Firearms" sign. Ozzie took out one of his cards,
>wrote a brief note explaining why he couldn't do business with the
>store after all, handed them both the the salesman and told him to
>take it to the manager, then turned and walked out. Next day, those
>signs came down.

Reminds me of a story from about a quarter century ago... A local hospital (I
did not live in Detroit then) was re-doing it's radiology lab (X-ray) and of
course a lot of what goes into an X-Ray installation is traditional wire, Just
like (or perhaps a bit heaver) what you have in the walls of your home.

Well the technicians who were brought in to do the installation had a fairly
large purchase order for electrical supplies, Wire, junction boxes, conduit,
switches, and the like. They went to the city's largest electrical supplier
and stood at the counter. They saw employees reading the paper, chatting with
non-customers, eating breakfast or whatever, But nobody would help them.

After entirely too long at the counter the senior loudly said to the junior
"Well, I guess they don't want to help us, Let's taker our $100,000 purchase
order and go somewhere else". He said every clerk in the store was suddenly
between them and the door... Which they walked out, empty handed (except for
the purchase order).

Another smaller company... Suddenly became a larger company.


Now, back to the story that started this thread...........

If you were going to steal a car, Would it be a Mercury Comet?


John F Davis, WA8YXM, In Delightful Detroit, aa...@detroit.freenet.org
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"


If you are feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.

Karen Rodgers

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On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:30:27 GMT, "Leslie Fish"
<lesli...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> In Arizona? On April Fool's Day? You haven't listened to our local
>talk-radio shows on April Fool's! Ah, you haven't lived until you've heard
>Art Bell imitating Bill Clinton; absolute ROFL. Let nobody say that folks
>in this state don't have a sense of humor

Now this does not surprise me. I still remember the story NPR did
about the governer of Arizona deeding the entire State to Canada one
April 1st. He was quoted as saying "Why not? Half of Canada spends
the Winter here anyway. They might as well own it."

Karen Rodgers

**********
Windbourne, folk singers of the future
http://www.windbourne.com/
remove "_rice_" from my email address
**********

David G. Bell

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On Wednesday, in article
<Dzvq8.12249$nt1.9...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
lesli...@earthlink.net "Leslie Fish" wrote:

> "John C. Bunnell" <JCBu...@sff.net> wrote in message
> news:4n6q8.9186$nt1.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >

> > Now if the whole thing had taken place *inside* the filk community,
> > there'd be minimal cause for alarm or concern.
>
> Well, it was posted here -- and the site was taken down the very next
> day. Slick enough, I'd say.
>
> What worries me here is
> > that it didn't -- this kind of Web-wizardry is difficult to keep
> > insulated or private, and it would be very easy for someone outside the
> > filk world to look at the faux page, take it literally, and set off
> > unfortunate repercussions out in Arizona where Leslie is. If just one
> > person *did* call the Arizona Republic (or e-mailed the genuine
> > azcentral.com Webmasters), the wheels that might set in motion might not
> > be easy to derail before unintended harm is done.
>
> In Arizona? On April Fool's Day? You haven't listened to our local
> talk-radio shows on April Fool's! Ah, you haven't lived until you've heard
> Art Bell imitating Bill Clinton; absolute ROFL. Let nobody say that folks
> in this state don't have a sense of humor -- or that the stuffy old AZ
> Republic doesn't check their stories out. From what I've heard, all they
> did was huff and puff and demand that Leigh turn over the site to them,
> which she did, whereby they got what they wanted. No harm, no foul.

I hear plenty of stories of security by stupidity, expecially since
September 11th, so I'd be a little anxious about a stunt like this.

Note that domain names are cheap, these days, and the same sort of trick
can be pretty easily used for malicious purposes.

It's a pity that the really big hoaxes were from a time before the
institutionalised security paranoia of the current age. One can't
imagine the Queen of Sheba in Exile (about 5ft 7in with black hair),
with entourage and interpreters (paging Mr. Mandel) turning up an San
Diego to tour a carrier. Not these days.

But you could still, perhaps, hoax people with a report on such a visit,
and it isn't so hard to produce not-too-obviously-faked pictures that
would be on a web page.

Leslie Fish

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<j...@mich.com> wrote in message news:a8f00a$oq2$3...@news.bignet.net...

>
>
> Reminds me of a story from about a quarter century ago...

<snip great story>

> Another smaller company... Suddenly became a larger company.

Heheheheheh! Brilliant! Do you realize this is the modern equivalent
of the ancient Wandering God In Human Disguise myth?


>
> If you were going to steal a car, Would it be a Mercury Comet?

Hell, no. I'd grab my own Ford Thunderbird and head for the hills --
literally. Why should I steal a strange car -- and have to hot-wire it,
very fast -- when I have my own car-keys in my purse and my own car sitting
in the driveway?
Besides, if I were to go shopping at 3AM, I wouldn't walk, even to the
local all-night convenience store; I'd drive, at that hour. So I would
already have been in my car when the fun started.
--
--Leslie <;)))><
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--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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""David G. Bell"" <db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Is it true that she pute the catnip-filled toy mice in blue uniforms?

Certainly not. The cops hereabouts wear TAN uniforms.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Leslie Fish

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"Karen Rodgers" <webmaster@_rice_windbourne.com> wrote in message
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>
> Now this does not surprise me. I still remember the story NPR did
> about the governer of Arizona deeding the entire State to Canada one
> April 1st. He was quoted as saying "Why not? Half of Canada spends
> the Winter here anyway. They might as well own it."

Heheheheh! I warned you all, 'way back when, that Arizona is not a
redneck state; it's a WEIRD state. And we have a sense of humor to match.
--
--Leslie <;)))><


Filksinger

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"Leslie Fish" <lesli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John C. Bunnell" <JCBu...@sff.net> wrote in message
> news:4n6q8.9186$nt1.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >
> > It's just well-written enough that it looks like a
> > normal news item; only if one stops to read carefully does one notice
> > the flaw: namely, that there isn't enough detail of the right kind to
> > support the story of what's supposed to have happened.
>
> Uhuh. Like the "Mandlebrot Monk" April Fool's story that hoaxed a lot
> of websters last year. How many fans fell for that one before somebody
> thought to track it down?

It wasn't last year, originally. It was 1999. It was then copied to multiple
web sites, some of them online _university_ newsletters, in _multiple
languages_, _not dated April 1st_, by people who bought it.

I check. It isn't dated April 1st, and can be found on university websites
and in multiple languages, and the date when I first hear about it is in
September. I buy it.

Later, I post it to the list. When somebody calls me on it, I find a copy by
search engine, post it to the list without looking closely, and the damn
thing is dated April 1st, 1999.

AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined


Jette Goldie

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"Leslie Fish" <lesli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Filk con - I was probably barefoot most of the time - but
I do stand *tall* most of the time. (head up, shoulders
back - makes the waistline appear slimmer <g>)

Steve Wheeler

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<j...@mich.com> wrote in message news:a8epbb$ob5$1...@news.bignet.net...

> April fools or true?
>
>
>
> On 2002-04-01 lee...@attbi.com said: (Well quoted might be a better
way
> to say it):
>
> >Fish is of below medium height, with long brown hair, and often
> >wears occult symbols. She is believed to be heading north in a
> >stolen red Mercury Comet. Police believe that she may be heading
to
> >Western Oregon.
>
> Clearly a 4/1 thing, I mean who would steal a Mercury Comet?

Actually, if I ever needed to steal a car, I might. We used to have one
when I was younger, and I really liked it. My dad bought it second-hand
in England just before we rotated stateside. If you happen to see a
white '62 Comet parked by the side of the road in an old episode of "The
Saint," that's it. I don't know which episode, and it wasn't
specifically part of the show; it just happened to be parked where they
shot a street scene.

- wheels

Donald L. Johnson

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Like the Sheriff who dresses his prisoners in pink jumpsuits and undies, so
they won't steal 'em if/when they get released? The only time I've been
inside a jail was to bail out a couple of my shipmates, I sure wouldn't want
to be a "guest" in that one!


Donald
Submariner, retired

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j...@mich.com

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On 2002-04-04 swhee...@earthlink.net said:

>> Clearly a 4/1 thing, I mean who would steal a Mercury Comet?
>Actually, if I ever needed to steal a car, I might. We used to have
>one when I was younger, and I really liked it. My dad bought it
>second-hand in England just before we rotated stateside. If you
>happen to see a white '62 Comet parked by the side of the road in
>an old episode of "The Saint," that's it. I don't know which
>episode, and it wasn't specifically part of the show; it just
>happened to be parked where they shot a street scene.
>- wheels

EGADS, so even your car is a TV star <G>

Hey, you might like this one (Has to be some use you could put it to)

Had a thief steel a set of wheels and drive recklessly... Well a police
chase ensued, multiple departments, and he rammed both a local police car and
a state police car. However when he hit the state car.... Well that's what
ended the chase.

What makes this a darwin eligible chase was the fact that he only stole two
wheels.. That's right. he was ramming full size automobiles with a MOTORCYCLE

Minor injuries (so he only gets honorable mention) but I could not believe the
news footage HE ACTUALLY RAMMED POLICE CARS, With a TV-2 chopper filming his
stupidity as he went.!!!

John F Davis, WA8YXM, In Delightful Detroit, aa...@detroit.freenet.org
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"


It's all a pigment of your hallucination.

Mark Horning

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In article <a8gtu6$414$1...@suaar1ab.prod.compuserve.com>,

Donald L. Johnson <70524...@Compuserve.com> wrote:
>Like the Sheriff who dresses his prisoners in pink jumpsuits and undies, so
>they won't steal 'em if/when they get released? The only time I've been
>inside a jail was to bail out a couple of my shipmates, I sure wouldn't want
>to be a "guest" in that one!
>
>
>Donald
>Submariner, retired
>
You definatly don't want to get thrown in Sherrif Joe's jail. God alone knows
how much money he has cost the taxpayers in lawsuits, and they still have not
settled with the vagrant who lost a spleen last year. He's a thug and the
only place more dangerous than his Jail is standing between him and a Camera.


Mark E. Horning, Physicist
Phoenix, Arizona

mhor...@eskimo.com

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