The Filk Book Every Filker Should Have (was: Core Curriculum)
Benjamin Newman
So,
in previous posts it must have looked as if I, personally, were
volunteering to edit a comprehensive filk songbook, which would contain
hundreds of songs, including as much of our "core curriculum" as could be
licensed. Any possible such rumor must be laid to rest immediately.
In short: I AM so volunteering.
I know this is a daunting task, unlike anything I have ever done before
(except perhaps running a small con on a shoestring budget very nearly
singlehandedly), but the foregoing thread confirms that the filk community
has need of such a book, so here goes.
In truth, I was going to be editing a comprehensive filkbook this summer
anyway -- the SWIL Filkbooks. As many of you know, SWIL is Swarthmore
College's SF club, and maintains a filk archive. This archive was at
first kept only as a small number of hardcopies, for use at filksings.
Over time, songs were added to it without permission, at at some point it
was (unwisely) put on the Web. This was all some years ago. My original
motive for wanting to update this archive was that none of my songs were
in it(!), but there are other reasons which must be clear to everyone. In
this endeavor I am working with a number of SWILfolk, both current and
alumni. We will be correcting misquotes and mis- or un- attributions, but
in the end the likely result is that most of the material will be off the
Web for good, since it was posted without permission. We'll see.
But this is, for the time being, a separate project. My goal is to
compile a book of 300-500 songs, including lyrics and chords but NO music
(like Rise Up Singing), and containing as much of the aforediscussed "core
curriculum" as can be licensed, along with new material. I have no idea
of a time frame, and much depends on the ease of contacting the authors of
certain older filks. But I can say that the project will not begin in
earnest until I graduate from college (in one month). However, there is
some preliminary stuff that can happen between now and then.
Do not send me songs (yet)!
Do not send me, OR the SWIL webmasters, any corrections for the SWIL
filkbooks -- we will ask for such information when we are prepared to make
use of it.
DO, if you wish to be involved, or to be informed in any detailed way of
updates, reply by private email indicating so. I am particularly
interested in the help, whether material or advisory, of those among you
who have experience editing and publishing songbooks (Lee, gary, etc.).
At some later point there will be a general call for submissions.
-- Ben Newman
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Leslie Fish
"Benjamin Newman" <new...@cs.swarthmore.edu> wrote in message
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> in previous posts it must have looked as if I, personally, were
> volunteering to edit a comprehensive filk songbook, which would contain
> hundreds of songs, including as much of our "core curriculum" as could be
> licensed>
>
--
--Leslie <;)))><
Benjamin Newman
> "Benjamin Newman" <new...@cs.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
> >
> > In short: I AM so volunteering.
> >
> Will you title it "Sit Down Filking"?
Or "Fall Down Filking", "Fly Away Filking", or something else. It may end
up as "The SWIL Ilk Filk Book", actually. (Now with permissions!)
I still haven't heard from anyone wanting to be in[(volv)|(form)]ed. The
reason I want a list is so I can keep the nitty gritty off the newsgroup,
but if people think it's okay to post updates here, I will.
For now, one thing that's on my mind is how to organize such a book into
chapters. RUS is chaptered by topic, and this should be too, but how
finely?
The major categories I can discern are:
SF general
SF specific
Fantasy general
Fantasy specific
Fandom
Geekdom
Space
Within the specific reference categories, there are works that have
inspired so many filks that they merit their own subchapters:
Middle Earth
the Cthulhu mythos
Star Wars
Star Trek
etc.
Of course this all depends on how well what is represented in the body of
songs actually obtained, but I ought to have an idea of what I'm looking
for in terms of a balnce among subgenres.
Lee Gold
>
> I still haven't heard from anyone wanting to be in[(volv)|(form)]ed. The
> reason I want a list is so I can keep the nitty gritty off the newsgroup,
> but if people think it's okay to post updates here, I will.
I'm interested.
>
> For now, one thing that's on my mind is how to organize such a book into
> chapters. RUS is chaptered by topic, and this should be too, but how
> finely?
>
> The major categories I can discern are:
>
> SF general
> SF specific
What's the difference?
> Fantasy general
> Fantasy specific
What's the difference?
> Fandom
> Geekdom
Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
> Space
Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
Roleplaying
Cats
History & Moral Philosophy
>
> Within the specific reference categories, there are works that have
> inspired so many filks that they merit their own subchapters:
>
> Middle Earth
> the Cthulhu mythos
> Star Wars
> Star Trek
> etc.
>
> Of course this all depends on how well what is represented in the body of
> songs actually obtained, but I ought to have an idea of what I'm looking
> for in terms of a balnce among subgenres.
--Lee Gold
Mary Creasey
Lee Gold <lee...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:3AF747FF...@mediaone.net...
> Benjamin Newman wrote:
> >
> > I still haven't heard from anyone wanting to be in[(volv)|(form)]ed.
The
> > reason I want a list is so I can keep the nitty gritty off the
newsgroup,
> > but if people think it's okay to post updates here, I will.
>
> I'm interested.
> >
> > For now, one thing that's on my mind is how to organize such a book into
> > chapters. RUS is chaptered by topic, and this should be too, but how
> > finely?
> >
> > The major categories I can discern are:
> >
> > SF general
> > SF specific
> What's the difference?
> > Fantasy general
> > Fantasy specific
> What's the difference?
> > Fandom
> > Geekdom
> Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
> > Space
Real Space History ( ex.: "Hope Eyrie", "Fire In The Sky" et al)
Future Space (ex.:"Space Station Annie", "Asteroid Named Rest Stop" et al)
Mary
Rich Brown
> > SF general
> > SF specific
> What's the difference?
> > Fantasy general
> > Fantasy specific
> What's the difference?
SF general: a song about robots
SF specific: a song about Asimov's robots
etc.
> > Fandom
> > Geekdom
> Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
Exactly; geekdom
> > Space
and hard sciences
> Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
Make that "Myth & Folklore & Religion". Deserves to be a major category
like SF general / SF specific
> Roleplaying
> Cats
Both fall under 'Fandom'
> History & Moral Philosophy
Falls under Myth & Folklore & Religion
Steve Wheeler
> For now, one thing that's on my mind is how to organize such a book
into
> chapters. RUS is chaptered by topic, and this should be too, but how
> finely?
>
> The major categories I can discern are:
>
> SF general
> SF specific
> Fantasy general
> Fantasy specific
> Fandom
> Geekdom
> Space
>
> Within the specific reference categories, there are works that have
> inspired so many filks that they merit their own subchapters:
>
> Middle Earth
> the Cthulhu mythos
> Star Wars
> Star Trek
> etc.
>
> Of course this all depends on how well what is represented in the body
of
> songs actually obtained, but I ought to have an idea of what I'm
looking
> for in terms of a balnce among subgenres.
My suggestion would be to organize the songs alphabetically, then have a
separate chapter of categorizing, more like an index ("Category 4: Star
Trek. Banned from Argo, page 24. He's Dead, Jim, page 47. Category 5:
Funny Songs. Banned from Argo, page 24. Silver Bullet Blues, page
117."). Maybe add a line at the top or bottom of each song that says,
"This song fits in categories 2, 7, and 9." I think it deals better with
"is this a funny song, or a fantasy song, or a <your song's type here>
song?"
- wheels
Joe Kesselman
> > SF general
> > SF specific
> What's the difference?
Seconded....
> > Geekdom
> Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
Or just "technology", since there are filksongs about technology which
is no longer so advanced... either because technology has progressed
since the song was written, or because it takes a historical viewpoint.
(Personally I go for "technology and other forms of magic", but...)
> Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
> Roleplaying
> Cats
> History & Moral Philosophy
Classic literature? (Or perhaps just "other literature")
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Joe Kesselman
> My suggestion would be to organize the songs alphabetically, then have a
> separate chapter of categorizing, more like an index
Good solution to the problem of songs falling under multiple subjects.
Might also handle the ose/serious/humorous axis, so you could search
songs by mood...
That complex an indexing scheme may wind up being impractical in
hardcopy form, but I'm reminded of the old KWIC (Key Word In Context)
indexing experiments...
Michael Liebmann
> > > SF specific
> > > Fantasy general
> > > Fantasy specific
> > > Fandom
> > > Geekdom
> and hard sciences
> > Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
> Make that "Myth & Folklore & Religion". Deserves to be a major category
> like SF general / SF specific
> > Roleplaying
> > Cats
> Both fall under 'Fandom'
> > History & Moral Philosophy
> Falls under Myth & Folklore & Religion
History/historical events (things like "Sarajevo" by Fish)
Life in General
Regional songs
Michael
Lee Gold
>
> > > History & Moral Philosophy
> > Falls under Myth & Folklore & Religion
>
> History/historical events (things like "Sarajevo" by Fish)
Urr, despite the Heinlein reference, I really meant to include
"History" in "History & Moral Philosophy." I don't see how
my songs about Dutch or Balkan history ("Dam the Sea" and "Saint
Vitus' Dance") fit under "myth & folklore & religion. but they
do have an ethics slant. Then again, my "Kilkenny" comments on
Irish history with an ethics slant, though it's ostensibly just
a Cat song.
--Lee Gold
Lori Coulson
: Middle Earth
: the Cthulhu mythos
: Star Wars
: Star Trek
: etc.
DANGER! DANGER! WARNING! WARNING!
You *will* have to check with the owners of the above franchises before
you put the lyrics in the book. I really doubt that Lucasfilm and
Paramount are going to sit still for this...you may have better luck with
Tolkien's and Lovecraft's estates, but I won't bet on it.
Lori Coulson
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Rich Brown
> You *will* have to check with the owners of the above franchises before
> you put the lyrics in the book.
You can avoid using trademarked names and allow the reader to translate
back.
"Up against the wall, Fred" -- Jefferson Airplane
Jacob Sommer
>
> Benjamin Newman (new...@cs.swarthmore.edu) wrote:
>
> : Middle Earth
> : the Cthulhu mythos
> : Star Wars
> : Star Trek
> : etc.
>
> DANGER! DANGER! WARNING! WARNING!
>
> You *will* have to check with the owners of the above franchises before
> you put the lyrics in the book. I really doubt that Lucasfilm and
> Paramount are going to sit still for this...you may have better luck with
> Tolkien's and Lovecraft's estates, but I won't bet on it.
I'll put in a note about Babylon5 stuff: good idea to ask JMS. However, if
you ask nice he might say OK. (Yes, I did ask him - he mentioned Filk is
Not His SF but he didn't mind me performing in the case of my one B5 song)
Jacob
Joe Ellis
So much of the really _great_ filk has been completely original. A book
that provides only words and chords won't do these songs justice. "Chords
only" are fine for TTTO stuff, but pretty useless unless you already
_know_ the melody.
So, you need to make a hard decision:
1) Include music for some songs at the expense of reducing the total
number of songs included, or
2) Omit melody lines at the expense of making the book a less useful reference.
If it's a matter of typesetting and/or proofing lead sheets, I'd be happy
to help.
Perhaps a couple of chapters should be reserved for more complete notation
for "filk standards", the core of the core.
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Benjamin Newman
> Benjamin Newman wrote:
>
> > SF general
> > SF specific
> What's the difference?
> > Fantasy general
> > Fantasy specific
> What's the difference?
"Specific" means "in reference to one particular work or world." Or
perhaps two (e.g. my "Crouching Jedi"). As opposed to many ("Unreality
Warp") or none ("Never Set the Cat on Fire" -- it's about the hazards of
spaceflight just as much as it's about cats!). This can be a fine hair to
split, but it's a meaningful distinction. The problem is things that are
specifically referential of works that have been forgotten, and thus
appear to belong in their own worlds.
> > Fandom
> > Geekdom
> Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
> > Space
>
> Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
> Roleplaying
> Cats
> History & Moral Philosophy
Good suggestions.
> > Within the specific reference categories, there are works that have
> > inspired so many filks that they merit their own subchapters:
> >
> > Middle Earth
> > the Cthulhu mythos
> > Star Wars
> > Star Trek
I've purposely omitted, because I know nothing about either, the Darkover
and Dorsai universes, both of which have famously spawned a lot of filk.
Should they be represented? If so, someone else would have to edit those
sections.
Benjamin Newman
Benjamin Newman wrote:
> > > Space
> (divided into)
> Real Space History ( ex.: "Hope Eyrie", "Fire In The Sky" et al)
> Future Space (ex.:"Space Station Annie", "Asteroid Named Rest Stop" et al)
Future Space blends into Generic SF, depending on how far Future it is,
and the best way to divide that blend depends a lot on the population of
actually submitted songs. The primary difference may be thematic -- most
of the RSH songs cluster around a few related themes, as well as around
their common topic, so it may be that what divides "Space" from "SF" is
those themes, not the subject matter per se.
Alternatively, it may turn out that Future Space nearly exhausts Generic
SF, in which case that would be a fine name for the category.
Benjamin Newman
> Lori Coulson wrote:
> > You *will* have to check with the owners of the above franchises before
> > you put the lyrics in the book.
>
> You can avoid using trademarked names and allow the reader to translate
> back.
I'm not sure how worried to be about this. A lot of you have published
materials that include direct references to the franchises in question
(and others) -- did you get their permission? Isn't parody still fair use
("The Wind Done Gone" notwithstanding -- that was a whole novel)? If not,
we may as well give up now. As for trademarks, I think a trademark has to
be used in a fairly particular way in order to be infringing, but I'm not
sure. Lawyers?
Copyright covers the expression of an idea, not the idea itself, but it's
not entirely clear where that line falls. Trademark protects the owner
from unauthorized use that would imply their endorsement or unfairly
compete against them.
Um, how paranoiod should we really be about this? This project ought to
be exactly as visible or invisible to the franchise-holders as most other
filk songbooks, many of which have the same problem, right?
As for "translating on-the-go," that's no way to try to run a singalong.
Joe Kesselman
> "Specific" means "in reference to one particular work or world." Or
> perhaps two (e.g. my "Crouching Jedi"). As opposed to many ("Unreality
> Warp") or none ("Never Set the Cat on Fire" -- it's about the hazards of
> spaceflight just as much as it's about cats!).
"None" seems to actually be a third category: "Original
Story"... with true "General" songs being relatively rare.
Perhaps a better division would be Original Story versus
Existing Worlds/Characters. Or perhaps it's better to simply
have specific borrowings be another keyword in the
searchable index, rather than having them lumped together as
a fuzzy catagory.
>Darkover and Dorsai universes
Specific subsets/keywords within the Existing Worlds axis...
Joe Kesselman
>"Chords
> only" are fine for TTTO stuff, but pretty useless unless you already
> _know_ the melody.
Same was true for Rise Up Singing. There's an assumption
that someone who wants to introduce a song will make an
effort to find and learn the melody. The chords are still
worth including as an aid for
arranging/accompanying/remembering. It ain't great, but it
_is_ better than nothing, it's compact, and -- at least as
important -- it doesn't require additional permissions.
Of course if you have the space, the permissions, and the
score... go for it. But there ain't no way RUS would have
gotten 1200 songs into an easily portable form if they
hadn't accepted this limitation.
(I've got a variant melody for High Barbary which arose
because all I had was chords, lyrics, and a very vague
memory of the song, so I'm familiar with the problem. On the
other hand, I actually like my melody better than the
official one....)
Joe Kesselman
> You can avoid using trademarked names and allow the reader to translate
> back.
Such as "Pirates" in some renditions of Banned From Argo?
(*)
(* "Unix is a footnote of Bell Laboratories.")
Joe Ellis
>Joe Ellis wrote:
>>"Chords
>> only" are fine for TTTO stuff, but pretty useless unless you already
>> _know_ the melody.
>
>Same was true for Rise Up Singing. There's an assumption
>that someone who wants to introduce a song will make an
>effort to find and learn the melody. The chords are still
>worth including as an aid for
>arranging/accompanying/remembering. It ain't great, but it
>_is_ better than nothing, it's compact, and -- at least as
>important -- it doesn't require additional permissions.
>
>Of course if you have the space, the permissions, and the
>score... go for it. But there ain't no way RUS would have
>gotten 1200 songs into an easily portable form if they
>hadn't accepted this limitation.
<<snip>>
True... but they had the advantage in using material that has a much
broader base of people that know it already.
It might be better to use the "Sing Out Reprints" book as a model. They
_do_ have sheet music for selected songs.
If the goal is to make a book with songs that every filker _should_ know,
then it is to our advantage to provide as much information on the songs as
possible.
Let me say something else about this project right now:
Having put together a songbook myself, I _know_ how much work is involved.
The folks who end up producing this book deserve to make money on it.
That said, I think it would be advantageous to the filk community in
general if individual royalties for the songs themselves were waived for
this project - say, in favor of a set percentage of the purchase price
being donated to Interfilk.
Michelle & Boyd Bottorff
I am interested in this project...
Although, I'd be even more interested in a project that included scores.
:/
Rich Brown <rabbbh@a.b> wrote:
> Lee Gold wrote:
> > > SF general
> > > SF specific
> > What's the difference?
> > > Fantasy general
> > > Fantasy specific
> > What's the difference?
> I took this to be something like
> SF general: a song about robots
> SF specific: a song about Asimov's robots
> etc.
I don't really see that there's much point in putting these in separate
categories. I think what you really want to do is include source
material with each song, stating whether this is a "specific" and
specific of what, or if its just general.
I would like to really emphasize this suggestion. People WANT TO KNOW
where the song they loved came from. They really, really do. A book
proposing to be THE book for new filkers MUST be notated in this way.
I also think that smaller topic areas than Fantasy and SF might be
apropo, I just don't think general vs specific is a good one. For one
thing, that only gets you two categories.
If you want you can just have a few big categories, probably: "Fantasy,
Science Fiction", "Fandom/Filking", "Science & Tech", "Myth, Folklore &
Religion" and "Other". But if you are collecting 1200 filk songs,
smaller divisions might be better.
You might want to look at subject rather than source categories like
"amazing creatures" and "war songs", "conventions," "computers"
Some of these sorts of categories will cross the fantasy/SF line, and
also the imaginary/real lines, but I think that might even make the book
more interesting.
"Mineral Rights" for example, could be put in a creatures category
rather than a Trek category. This would irritate Trekkies, who want to
look up only Trek songs, but as long as we provide a source index
telling them where to look, they can't complain too much, and having a
bunch of non-trek songs surrounding the one they are looking at might
expand their horizens a bit. :)
In the computer category we could do a kind of chronological progression
starting with the oldest most primiative computers, and ending up with
sfnal AI computers.
(Since I am into indexes I am willing to volenteer some of my time to
ensure that this book is "properly" indexed. No matter how we've
decided to divving everything up.)
>
> > Myth & Folklore & NeoPaganism
> Make that "Myth & Folklore & Religion". Deserves to be a major category
> like SF general / SF specific
>
> > Roleplaying
> > Cats
> Both fall under 'Fandom'
>
> > History & Moral Philosophy
> Falls under Myth & Folklore & Religion
Well, History doesn't really.
Where do the Dinosaur songs get put? Science?
The question isn't really which categories could be covered by other
categories, its how many songs will you get in each, and what divisions
make a nice distribution. I would recomend that in a large
comprehensive collection like this one proposes to be, you at least
split filking and fandom, even though one is pretty much a subset of the
other, because you'll get that many songs in each. Filkers are
egocentric, they like writing songs about themselves. >;) And as far
as subcategories go, there are a whole subcatagory worth of slow
elevator songs in the fandom/conventions category.
(I have occationally contemplated collecting these, compiling a
songbook, and leaving a copy in each elevator at the hotel...)
Michelle Bottorff
Lady Lavender
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Michelle & Boyd Bottorff
> > My suggestion would be to organize the songs alphabetically, then have a
> > separate chapter of categorizing, more like an index
Although I like the concept in some ways, I am very nervous about songs
arranged in alphabetical order. It's too specific. It doesn't give the
layout people any room to work. It almost always seems to lead to songs
being published across page flips, and I am violently opposed to that,
(unless the song is three pages long, of course).
> Good solution to the problem of songs falling under multiple subjects.
> Might also handle the ose/serious/humorous axis, so you could search
> songs by mood...
I seem to recall I tried using different typefaces to indicate moods,
when I attempted to index my book, because otherwise it got too
unwieldy. I mean, half the songs in the book are humerous, and the
other half aren't. That's way too large a category.
On the other hand, if all the funny songs are indexed in italics, you
can look up a funny computer song in jig time...
Leslie Fish
"Joe Kesselman" <kes...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Lee Gold wrote:
> > > SF general
> > > SF specific
> > What's the difference?
>
> Seconded....
>
> > > Geekdom
> > Or perhaps Computers & Other Advanced Technology
>
> Or just "technology", since there are filksongs about technology which
> > Roleplaying
> > Cats
> > History & Moral Philosophy
>
> Classic literature? (Or perhaps just "other literature")
>
--
--Leslie <;)))><
Leslie Fish
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>
> materials that include direct references to the franchises in question
> (and others) -- did you get their permission? Isn't parody still fair use
We've been hashing out this very subject over on alt.tv.highlander, and
what we could come up with was that trademarks can be lost by the owner not
defending their use, but copyrights can't be. By all means contact the
official people holding the ST, SW, B5, etc. trademarks and copyrights, but
if you're simply publishing the words to songs based on their products, I
don't think you'll have a problem. If some geek in their legal department
(who knows nothing of filk or fandom, but sniffs a possible lawsuit) gives
you grief, then go over his head and demand to speak with Straczinsky,
Speilberg, etc. himself. You DO have a legal right to "appeal to the
king" -- to get the last word from the boss himself, and not from some
underling.
--
--Leslie <;)))><
Lee Gold
>
> I seem to recall I tried using different typefaces to indicate moods,
> when I attempted to index my book, because otherwise it got too
> unwieldy. I mean, half the songs in the book are humerous, and the
> other half aren't. That's way too large a category.
>
> On the other hand, if all the funny songs are indexed in italics, you
> can look up a funny computer song in jig time...
I can think of songs (and have even written some) that are
debatable as to whether they're funny. "Kilkenny," for instance.
Surface story is the sad demise of the two cats. The audience
tends to laugh as they tear apart the house and barn and
finally one another. And the deepest level isn't funny at all.
--Lee Gold
Joe Kesselman
addition of a small amount of "filler" art to usefully
absorb the padding. "If it happens, it must be possible."
Lee Gold
That's "roleplaying." We could make it "Roleplaying Gaming,"
I suppose.
--Lee Gold (who wrote "You Bash the Balrog" and GURPS Japan,
1st edition)
Rob Wynne
>> Don't leave out "Gaming".
>That's "roleplaying." We could make it "Roleplaying Gaming,"
>I suppose.
But roleplaying is only a subset of Gaming. Songs about Magic:
The Gathering or Battletech (the boardgame, not the RPG version)
are definately on topic for filk, but are not roleplaying games.
For that matter, songs about Doom, the video game, could fall under
Gaming (or Computers), and is not a roleplaying game.
Rob
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Filksinger
wrote:
>Leslie Fish wrote:
<snip>
>> >
>> Don't leave out "Gaming".
>
>That's "roleplaying." We could make it "Roleplaying Gaming,"
>I suppose.
Nope. There's also Magic and wargames.
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Mark A. Mandel
be shaped by the songs in the book, no?
My own big binder of other people's filks is divided, by now inadequately,
as follows:
Xmas and Religion (including ROTR)
Specific Worlds, such as Star Trek and Discworld
Cyber & Math
Filking and other Music, and Fandom
Bawdy
Space and Science
Food and drink, including Booze
Published nonfilk (no help there)
Misc.
FWIW, my webpage of my own filks includes a category for critters
(although most of those songs aren't filk -- that is, if they had been
written by a non-filker to non-filk tunes and weren't sung at filks,
nobody would call them filk. I am NOT going to ring that argument in
here!).
-- Mark A. Mandel
FIJAGH! Now, *filking*, on the other hand...
http://world.std.com/~mam/filk.html
--
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Mark A. Mandel
: I don't really see that there's much point in putting these in separate
: categories. I think what you really want to do is include source
: material with each song, stating whether this is a "specific" and
: specific of what, or if its just general.
: I would like to really emphasize this suggestion. People WANT TO KNOW
: where the song they loved came from. They really, really do. A book
: proposing to be THE book for new filkers MUST be notated in this way.
AMEN, AMEN!!
: (Since I am into indexes I am willing to volenteer some of my time to
: ensure that this book is "properly" indexed. No matter how we've
: decided to divving everything up.)
Why not cross-reference? I wish this didn't sound like bragging, but what
I thought would be a good idea when I recently reorganized my filk page
(see .sig) would also solve, or at least be an answer to, the problem of
multiple categorization. In addition to the main index, which lists and
describes songs by category and has some songs in more than one category,
I have an alphabetical list which just lists (and links) the songs *and
names all the categories that they're in*. If the Title Index (thinking
again of the RUS structure) gave not just the page that each song is on,
but also the (other) categories that it's in, we'd have a partial answer.
D'oh!! Doesn't RUS also end each category with "see also" for songs in
other categories that are relevant to this one? So why couldn't we?
Benjamin Newman
> Michelle & Boyd Bottorff <mbot...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>
> : (Since I am into indexes I am willing to volenteer some of my time to
> : ensure that this book is "properly" indexed. No matter how we've
> : decided to divving everything up.)
>
> Why not cross-reference?
>
> D'oh!! Doesn't RUS also end each category with "see also" for songs in
> other categories that are relevant to this one? So why couldn't we?
Yep. I've thought of lots of indices:
By title
By lyricist
By composer
By original song title
By referenced work title
By referenced work author
So, you would flip to the composer index to find all filks written to
tunes by the Beatles, or to the original song index to find everything
written to the tune of "Banned from Argo" (actually, in this case these
may be listed in the endnotes after the song).
Michelle & Boyd Bottorff
> D'oh!! Doesn't RUS also end each category with "see also" for songs in
> other categories that are relevant to this one? So why couldn't we?
Well, we can. Obviously. :)
I'm glad you mentioned this. I realized after I had posted that I
hadn't, and I hate answering my own posting unless it's an emergency.
If you think about it, cross-referncing is an advanced form of indexing,
I'll be happy to help with that, too.
Steve Wheeler
"Michelle & Boyd Bottorff" <mbot...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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> Joe Kesselman <kes...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > My suggestion would be to organize the songs alphabetically, then
have a
> > > separate chapter of categorizing, more like an index
>
> Although I like the concept in some ways, I am very nervous about
songs
> arranged in alphabetical order. It's too specific. It doesn't give
the
> layout people any room to work. It almost always seems to lead to
songs
> being published across page flips, and I am violently opposed to that,
> (unless the song is three pages long, of course).
I just saw a songbook that had what may be a better solution:
The songs were not in alphabetical order, but they were listed
alphabetically in the table of contents. Fixes the layout concerns, and
gives an easy way to find the songs quickly.
- wheels
Margaret Middleton
>as follows:
This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their working
filkbinders.
Mine reads:
GENERAL (whatever doesn't sort out into one of the specific sections)
BLOOD AND GUTS (e.g. "Altnahr's Leap" and "Ballad of Three Kings")
BOOZE
DORSAI
FILKING
INSPIRATIONAL (aka Up With Space)
KIPLING & KELLER
PEOPLE (e.g. "With His Sketchpad Underneath his Arm")
RAUNCH
STAN & SUZETTE
STAR TREK/ STAR WARS
ALAMO (what can I say: I grew up in Texas. It never wears off)
SCOUNDRELS (e.g. "Critters", "The Oyster Pirate")
SONG'S GOTTA COME FROM THE HEART (e.g. "Crane Dance", "Lullabye for a Weary
World")
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I did a 'filk taxonomy' that went something like:
1] Lyrics that had been included in sold stories.( e.g. "Mary O'Meara" by Poul
Anderson)
2] Songs which take an existing story and turn it into a ballad (e.g. "The
Caves of Steel" by Randall Garrett)
3] Songs about characters in existing stories, but that don't give away plot
details (e.g. "Bones" by Leslie Fish)
4] Fan Fiction in ballad form (e.g. "Banned from Argo" by Leslie Fish)
5] Original SF stories in ballad form (e.g. "All debts are Paid" by Jordin
Kare)
6] Songs about the Space Program (e.g. "Hope Eyrie" by Leslie Fish)
7] Songs about computers and other frustrations of modern life (e.g. "Do it
Yourself" by Bill Sutton)
8] Songs about fannish history and people (e.g. "Bouncing Potatos" by Poul
Anderson)
9] Songs that have been adopted into common usage in filksings (e.g. stuff by
R.Kipling, S.Rogers, M.Keller, E.Bogle, et.al.)
...
...
...
n+1] Parodies of all of the above
Many of these categories are subdividable, of course; I was thinking VERY
broadly when I was coming up with this. I think I had been tapped to do a "Filk
101" panel somewhere.
Harold Groot
>filkbinders.
Having started in the midwest, I had mine set up as
1st binder
SF - Serious
SF - Humorous
SF - Dorsai
Other - Military
Other - Misc.
SF - Media
SF - Fandom
2nd binder
SCA - Serious
SCA - Humorous
SCA - Dark Horde
3rd binder
SCA - Period Music
That definitely reflected what was popular back there/back then. I
would bring binders 1&2 to SF conventions and bring 2&3 to SCA events.
Items that were suitable for both (usually Fantasy/Mythology) went
into the 2nd binder.
Out here/now, there are very few SCA songs being sung at SF
conventions. Neither the Dorsai nor the Dark Horde are particularly
common. So if I was doing it from scratch I would not make these
categories. I would probably include either a "Science" section or
perhaps smaller sections like "Computers/Internet" and "NASA". I
might also split out a separate "Fantasy" section.
Heather Rose Jones
> >filkbinders.
I suspect I may have a more idiosyncratic system than most:
#1 the non-book: material I can perform entirely from memory
#2 the cue-card book: material for which I find it useful to have chords
and first-lines available
#3 the harmonies & instrumentals book: self-explanatory, stuff with
worked-out arrangements, but not often performed
#4 the dance-music book (not generally taken to filks)
Within any given book, it's simply alphabetic.
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hrj...@socrates.berkeley.edu
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Mike Whitaker
>> >This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their
>> >working filkbinders.
>
> I suspect I may have a more idiosyncratic system than most:
Two books:
The blue file - filk and found filk: two sections: 'ours' and 'not ours'.
Each indexed alphabetically by title, which leads to things being refiled
every now and then 'cause Anne and I can't agree about the title.
The red file - everything else: one alphabetically indexed section.
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ErisGoD
I have 2 binders:
#1 Sci-Fi: (broken down into)
Star Trek
Star Wars
B5
Other - Movie (ex. Alien, RHPS)
Other - TV (ex. Buffy, X-Files)
This goes wih me to all the cons
#2 Miscellaneous
SCA
Horror
Tech
Etc.
I have an easy way of making categories for your books too. If a subject, say
Cthullu, amasses more than 5-6 different filks make a section for it.
Dave Weingart
>This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their working
>filkbinders.
I have books of other people's stuff, which are just in books. I should
index them someday, I suppose.
My own stuff is divided into
Better Read Than Dead (songs about books and literature)
The Computer Room
Ghost Stories and Dead Things
Space Cases & Science Labs
When I Was a Young Fan...
Singin' the Booze (songs about food and drink)
Stuff What Has to Go SOMEWHERE (things that don't fit elsewhere)
Stop the Shop, I Want to Get Off! (showstoppers & short bits)
Works in Progress
--
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mailto:phyd...@liii.com more of the same. They reached for
http://www.liii.com/~phydeaux tomorrow, but tomorrow never came."
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Rob Wynne
>This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their working
>filkbinders.
I have three binders. One is stuff I wrote, regardless of
classification. The second, and altogether largest book, contains filk
written by other people, culled from a variety of sources. The third
contains non-filk material that I nonetheless see fit to inflict on
audiences at my leisure. :) I also pack along various songbooks
(The British Omnibus, Pegasus Winners, Tom Smith's BOSFT, Rise Up
Singing, etc.), although most of the stuff I expect to perform more
than once has been transcribed into one of the above books.
I'm working on getting to the point where I don't need the book for a
good number of songs that I do regularly.
David G. Bell
mi...@altrion.org "Mike Whitaker" wrote:
> Heather Rose Jones wrote:
>
> >> >This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their
> >> >working filkbinders.
> >
> > I suspect I may have a more idiosyncratic system than most:
>
> Two books:
>
> The blue file - filk and found filk: two sections: 'ours' and 'not ours'.
> Each indexed alphabetically by title, which leads to things being refiled
> every now and then 'cause Anne and I can't agree about the title.
>
> The red file - everything else: one alphabetically indexed section.
You are going to get fed Max Miller lines, you realise.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
If I were to go back to my schooldays, knowing what I know now, I would
pack cheese sandwiches for lunch.
Karen Rodgers
<hrj...@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>Within any given book, it's simply alphabetic.
>
I have four notebooks of loose leaf stuff, my performance book, my
main book, my retired songs book, and, my old original notebook,
"Project Bluebook." All are in alphabetical order.
Karen Rodgers
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Mary Creasey
"David G. Bell" <db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:20010514.13...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk...
> On Monday, in article <nzML6.20$GE6....@news.dircon.co.uk>
> mi...@altrion.org "Mike Whitaker" wrote:
>
> > Heather Rose Jones wrote:
> >
> > >> >This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index
their
> > >> >working filkbinders.
> > >
> > > I suspect I may have a more idiosyncratic system than most:
> >
> > Two books:
> >
> > The blue file - filk and found filk: two sections: 'ours' and 'not
ours'.
> > Each indexed alphabetically by title, which leads to things being
refiled
> > every now and then 'cause Anne and I can't agree about the title.
> >
> > The red file - everything else: one alphabetically indexed section.
>
> You are going to get fed Max Miller lines, you realise.
<puzzled look> Who is that?
Me--I have one book of loose sheets, alphabetized; one binder with
the complete run of _Philk-Fee-Nom-Ee-Non_ (and THAT deserves
to have a reprint--say, _Songs From PFNEN_ or something); three
binders of _Xenofilkia_; one binder of copies from Leslie Fish's
songsheets, alphabetized (the ones I actually _use_, about 1/3-1/2
the total); several other binders full of smaller filkbook series such
as _Philly Philk Phlash_ and _Kantele_ (which, as does _Filker Up_,
has a small binder all its own, and I really DO need to get
the ones I'm missing); several binders full of single filkbooks
(such as _Minus Ten & Counting_); all of said binders going
into two LARGE canvas bags. The third smaller bag is for
looseleaf spiral-bound filkzines (such as _NESFA Hymnal_
and the _Songworm_ set), the _Rise Up Singing_,
and the Kipling poetry book.
Needless to say, I don't bring ALL of these to EVERY
event; the whole pile weighs in excess of 70 pounds.
What John and I call "minimum filk requirements"
vary by how much room we need to conserve or weight
we need to avoid hauling. Absolute minimum tends to
be the alphabetical book (as it's the only one that has
all of the songs written by both of us), the _Songworm_
set (bound together as one volume), the _Filker Up_
and/or _Kantele_ binder, and if room permits, the
Fish book (which right now is out on loan; it was
the source of the MiniCon Fish songbook), or
(depending) the Kipling and/or _Rise Up Singing_.
Mary
Lee Gold
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 00:01:48 -0700, Heather Rose Jones
> <hrj...@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >Within any given book, it's simply alphabetic.
> >
> I have four notebooks of loose leaf stuff, my performance book, my
> main book, my retired songs book, and, my old original notebook,
> "Project Bluebook." All are in alphabetical order.
I have a book that I add songs to as I write them or get copoies
-- and delete as I publish them or find them in a new songbook.
It's got an alphabetical index by page number at the front.
--Lee
Heather Rose Jones
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 00:01:48 -0700, Heather Rose Jones
> <hrj...@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >Within any given book, it's simply alphabetic.
> >
> I have four notebooks of loose leaf stuff, my performance book, my
> main book, my retired songs book, and, my old original notebook,
> "Project Bluebook." All are in alphabetical order.
Ah, which reminds me of the two books I left out of the previous list:
- The diary-style SCA-related songs collection I started when I first
joined the SCA.
- A similar diary-style handwritten collection of works composed in
medieval forms (plus a few historic pieces that I perform) that I
started when I made a resolution to start setting a more historic
example in my SCA performance.
Both of these are arranged chronologically be composition/collection date.
Stephen R. Savitzky
> This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their working
> filkbinders.
I only have one _working_ binder, which contains my own songs plus a
couple of other peoples' songs that I perform frequently. They're all
in alphabetical order, with a table of contents that includes timings
where I have them.
There's also a small set of songs that I can do from memory. The
working set and the memorized set are mostly disjoint; I suffer from a
serious case of Frank Hayes' disease and rarely have the confidence to
perform one of my own songs from memory (and rarely succeed if I do
try).
Sometimes I'll take _Rise Up Singing_ to a con or a sing; it contains a
number of songs that I do occasionally but not often enough to have
memorized. I have a fair-sized collection (about 8 shelf-feet) of
songbooks and filkbooks, but mostly older ones because I stopped buying
after I noticed that I wasn't using them much. I occasionally use them
for reference.
The songs in my working binder are all contained in one directory on my
computer (the filenames, like the timings, are in the index). They're
all in CVS for version control, and marked up in LaTeX for typesetting.
There's a (very crude and buggy) script that converts them to HTML, and
the Makefile knows which ones not to publish on my website. The
Makefile also generates the indices in various formats. You can see the
results in <http://theStarport.com/people/steve/Doc/Songs/>
The song files have keywords (e.g. computer, topical, fantasy, ...) so
that I could theoretically generate topical indices if I wanted to.
Most songs have multiple keywords; trying to partition the set according
to some criterion mostly wouldn't work (is "Vampire Megabyte" computer,
horror, or fantasy?).
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Michelle & Boyd Bottorff
> >> >This might be useful: a comparison of how working filkers index their
> >> >working filkbinders.
> >
> > I suspect I may have a more idiosyncratic system than most:
>
> Two books:
>
> The blue file - filk and found filk: two sections: 'ours' and 'not ours'.
> Each indexed alphabetically by title, which leads to things being refiled
> every now and then 'cause Anne and I can't agree about the title.
>
> The red file - everything else: one alphabetically indexed section.
I do my own book alphabetically, because if I wrote it/collected it,
obviously I'm going to know every song's title and what its about. But
when I'm given a book full of stuff that I'm not familiar with, and I'm
expected to use it, I like it to be in subject categories, I find it
easier to absorb the contents that way.
The filkbooks I made for the Minneapolis housefilks are divided as
Fantasy
Science Fiction
Science & Tech
Fandom/Filking
The Past
Misc.
(... and my own songs got their own section.)
My web page is currently divided as:
Fantasy
Gaming
Racciman's World (Racciman's World is a fantasy world of my own
invention which I have used as the setting for two book ms.)
Science Fiction
Science & Tech
Other
Folksongs
Children's Songs
Lady Lavender
Michelle Bottorff
Joe Ellis
My filk books (3 choral-type heavy duty folders of loose sheets) are
numbered. I also have an alphabetical printout index that include author/s
(when known) and topic. Each individual book is numbered as well and has
100 songs, fifty to a side.
This make it easy to keep in order, and easy to find a particular song.
The numbering trick I picked up from playing in a Bog Band. We had almost
400 tunes in our book by the time I left. Each individual part (16 in all)
was in its own fiberboard case, about 8" thick, big enough for full size
score sheets (10x14 or so...)
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Joe Ellis
fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis) wrote:
>My filk books (3 choral-type heavy duty folders of loose sheets) are
>numbered. I also have an alphabetical printout index that include author/s
>(when known) and topic. Each individual book is numbered as well and has
>100 songs, fifty to a side.
>
>This make it easy to keep in order, and easy to find a particular song.
>
>The numbering trick I picked up from playing in a Bog Band. We had almost
>400 tunes in our book by the time I left. Each individual part (16 in all)
>was in its own fiberboard case, about 8" thick, big enough for full size
>score sheets (10x14 or so...)
>
Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
Oddly enough, the leader's last name was Pfrogner, though...
C M
wrote:
>In article <filker-1505...@user-37katli.dialup.mindspring.com>,
>fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis) wrote:
>
>>My filk books (3 choral-type heavy duty folders of loose sheets) are
>>numbered. I also have an alphabetical printout index that include author/s
>>(when known) and topic. Each individual book is numbered as well and has
>>100 songs, fifty to a side.
>>
>>This make it easy to keep in order, and easy to find a particular song.
>>
>>The numbering trick I picked up from playing in a Bog Band. We had almost
>>400 tunes in our book by the time I left. Each individual part (16 in all)
>>was in its own fiberboard case, about 8" thick, big enough for full size
>>score sheets (10x14 or so...)
>>
>
>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
So what does a BOG band do? Swing Filk?
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"ErisGoD" <eri...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I'll throw my 2 cents into this hat too.
>
> I have 2 binders:
>
the smaller black book of Pagan stuff (some mine, mostly others). The third
book I always carry around is The Definitive Collection of Kipling's Verse.
Altogether, it makes one hell of a load.
--
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Rob Wynne
>>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
> So what does a BOG band do? Swing Filk?
Zydeco.
bi...@bsutton.com
:>In article <filker-1505...@user-37katli.dialup.mindspring.com>,
:>fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis) wrote:
:>>The numbering trick I picked up from playing in a Bog Band. We had almost
:>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
Hmm. Lots of natural reverb in the bathroom, though.
Bill
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Steve Wheeler
"Rob Wynne" <d...@america.net> wrote in message
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> C M <copper_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
> > So what does a BOG band do? Swing Filk?
>
> Zydeco.
Playing for fen.
- wheels
Harold Groot
Savitzky) wrote:
>Most songs have multiple keywords; trying to partition the set according
>to some criterion mostly wouldn't work (is "Vampire Megabyte" computer,
>horror, or fantasy?).
I would put it firmly in the Computer section. I recognize the
multiple connection points, but feel the Computer one is best.
I guess one way to look at it is "How much of a change is it?"
The reason I file my stuff in sections is to make it easier to find an
appropriate follower. If there is a set of computer songs going,
there is very little overall mood change with VM even though it
contains some non-computer (horror/fantasy) elements. If there is a
set of horror songs going or a set of fantasy songs, introducing the
non-horror/non-fantasy element (computers) seems more of a shift.
All IMHO.
Chris Croughton
<copper_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2001 14:16:50 -0400, fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis)
>wrote:
>
>>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
>
> So what does a BOG band do? Swing Filk?
Like a garage band, only they play in... <gd&r>
Alternatively it could be a Russian religious group...
Chris C
Stephen R. Savitzky
> On 14 May 2001 21:09:15 -0700, st...@theStarport.org (Stephen R.
> Savitzky) wrote:
>
> >Most songs have multiple keywords; trying to partition the set according
> >to some criterion mostly wouldn't work (is "Vampire Megabyte" computer,
> >horror, or fantasy?).
>
>
> I would put it firmly in the Computer section. I recognize the
> multiple connection points, but feel the Computer one is best.
>
> I guess one way to look at it is "How much of a change is it?"
Actually, it turns out I just had it classified it as "computer", but it
ought to have been "computer + humor", being equally suitable for either.
The "how much of a change" criterion definitely applies, but VM clearly
falls into both computer and humor categories, while "World Inside the
Crystal" clearly doesn't. Similarly, "parody" is one of my keywords,
and though it's not a primary selection criterion, sometimes it's a
useful one.
> The reason I file my stuff in sections is to make it easier to find an
> appropriate follower.
My index fits on a single page, and I know my own repertoire fairly well
anyway, so I don't don't usually have that particular need. In fact, I
don't use the keywords at all at the moment; they're just in there for
future use.
Benjamin Newman
> que...@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot) writes:
>
> > On 14 May 2001 21:09:15 -0700, st...@theStarport.org (Stephen R.
> > Savitzky) wrote:
> >
> > I guess one way to look at it is "How much of a change is it?"
> > The reason I file my stuff in sections is to make it easier to find an
> > appropriate follower.
>
> My index fits on a single page, and I know my own repertoire fairly well
> anyway, so I don't don't usually have that particular need.
But of course, the neo who purchased the Filk Book Every Filker Should
Have in the dealer room the morning after his first filk circle doesn't
know it as well as you know your own repertoire. Finding appropriate
followers is a primary reason why the FBEFSH should be well-organized.
-- Ben Newman
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Who will go down to the shady groves
And summon the shadows there?
And tie a ribbon on those shelt'ring arms
In the Springtime of the year?
-- Loreena McKennitt
Filksinger
<new...@cs.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
>On 16 May 2001, Stephen R. Savitzky wrote:
>
>> que...@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot) writes:
>>
>> > On 14 May 2001 21:09:15 -0700, st...@theStarport.org (Stephen R.
>> > Savitzky) wrote:
>> >
>> > I guess one way to look at it is "How much of a change is it?"
>> > The reason I file my stuff in sections is to make it easier to find an
>> > appropriate follower.
>>
>> My index fits on a single page, and I know my own repertoire fairly well
>> anyway, so I don't don't usually have that particular need.
>
>But of course, the neo who purchased the Filk Book Every Filker Should
>Have in the dealer room the morning after his first filk circle doesn't
>know it as well as you know your own repertoire. Finding appropriate
>followers is a primary reason why the FBEFSH should be well-organized.
We could put in a set of useful indexes, then create the ultimate
index online. Then, if they decide they want them indexed by any one
of a dozen criteria, they just print up the proper pages. We might
even create an index maker in CGI.
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Stephen R. Savitzky
>
> We could put in a set of useful indexes, then create the ultimate
> index online. Then, if they decide they want them indexed by any one
> of a dozen criteria, they just print up the proper pages. We might
> even create an index maker in CGI.
Sounds great! The index database is free on the web; roll your own then
go buy the book so you can use it. Of course, the web index would also
have links to the contributors' web pages, MP3's, and so on.
pbri...@unreality.nortelnetworks.com
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2001 14:16:50 -0400, fil...@mindspring.com (Joe Ellis)
>wrote:
>
>>Urk. _BIG_ band, not BOG band.
>
> So what does a BOG band do? Swing Filk?
>.............
Ooh! Ooh! I wanna be in one of those!! <BOUNCE, BOUNCE> =:o>
Got at least 2 songs for it already...
Paul B. =:o}
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