Karen R.
So are they calling it VI? Or are they admitting it will be a bomb and
calling it V2?
Just V. Just because a lot of people liked the remake of Battlestar,
doesn't mean they can just grab any old piece of #$%! sf show and
revive it. I mean, if someone's gonna take a show and revive it, why
don't they grab something good, like, oh, say, FIREFLY?! Wouldn't it
be nice to see more episodes of that, instead of this tripe? Yeesh.
Karen R.
So, who piddled in your yogurt? :)
What Karen is exhibiting is known as "anticipatory disappointment".
That's where you express your disappointment in a coming product before
it makes its debut. It usually comes in two forms; in one case the fear
is that the new version will be different than the original; in the
other the fear is that the new version will be the same. Karen is
indulging in anticipatory disappointment based on the fear that the new
"V" will be the same as the unlamented original.
In technical terms Karen Rodgers is a grump. Part of the reason why
we're all fond of her.
>In technical terms Karen Rodgers is a grump. Part of the reason why
>we're all fond of her.
That's the second time you've insulted me here. Welcome to the
*plonk* flie. Lose my email address.
Karen R.
Hi Karen,
Given your music theory proclivities and instrumental talents, I'd love to
correspond with you, but can't because you don't post a valid email address. If
you'd like, feel free to email me privately. I promise never to insult you like
that clown does.
Orlando
Second time? Karen, you idiot, stop jumping to conclusions and being
such a grump. I happen to like you, you twit, I just have a strange way
of showing it. You have my email, write me and explain yourself. In the
meantime start using your brain for something besides skull filler.
Alan Kellogg
(Yes, I know. But I figure somebody will pass the message on.)
> Karen, you idiot
Then change your way of showing it. As someone who is often rebuffed by women
for excessive intensity and enthusiasm, you need to get used to the reality
that many people in general may dislike your way of apparently showing
fondness.
>You have my email, write me and explain yourself.
Why should she? If she wants nothing to do with you, just leave her alone.
>In the meantime start using your brain for something besides skull filler.
You might try using your band width for something besides harassing Karen. If
you have legitimate grievances against her, post them and let some of us judge
who is right.
Orlando
I sure won't get to know her by insulting her as you do. Even if I were a
blathering idiot, I'd learn from your mistakes.
Orlando
For what it's worth, I've known Karen for years, and find her a
delightful and sweet person to talk with and to sing in circle with.
She's also a responsible and honorable concert performer (who shows up
on time and sings good stuff, including some of her own songs).
I first encountered Alan Kellogg what I consider a long time ago, and
been in contact with him now and then over the years, but I don't know
him well enough to generalize about him.
I've been a distant fan of Karen's theory related posts to other newsgroups and
have just begun emailing with her this afternoon. I look forward to picking her
filk brain in exchange for what few crumbs of music theory and jazz insights I
may be able to offer in return.
Orlando
Agreed.
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>In article <g8e335d3lnohj3p58...@4ax.com>,
>n...@a.valid.address.for.newsgroups says...
>> It looks like V is going to be back (NOOOOOO!). Looks like it's time
>> for another round of "Nazi Lizards from Outer Space." Sigh.
>>
>Look, Ma, more luggage!!!
Send 'em to Vegas! Las Vegas needs more lounge lizards...
;-)
Seconded.
>Just V. Just because a lot of people liked the remake of Battlestar,
>doesn't mean they can just grab any old piece of #$%! sf show and
>revive it. I mean, if someone's gonna take a show and revive it, why
>don't they grab something good, like, oh, say, FIREFLY?! Wouldn't it
>be nice to see more episodes of that, instead of this tripe? Yeesh.
I understand that is under negotiation.
Dan, ad nauseam
Call the question.
Dan, ad nauseam
I'll take that with a grain of salt 'til I see it. I hope it works
out, but it'll be kind of tough to get the cast back together,
especially with the actress who played Inara on that V mess.
Karen R.
Cite? As much as I'd love this to be true, I've not heard it.
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Right. All in favor, say
PLONK.
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And the fellow who played Capt. Mal now stars in "Castle."
Sandy
Which, if you're not watching it, is quite clever and fun. It just got
picked up for a second season. Highly recommended.
well, as long as it's not as bad as spaceballs the television series,
gods above and below THAT was awful. I'm hoping we might even get a
decent guest writer on it( strazynski are you listening, you to
ellison!) but I agree with karen, it could be as abd as "Nazi lizards
from outer space" but as the bell tolls madness brings their sax
filled ska music to my ears telling me it's time to go. Scotty, Beam
me up.
>On Jun 11, 7:12�pm, Karen Rodgers
><n...@a.valid.address.for.newsgroups> wrote:
>> It looks like V is going to be back (NOOOOOO!). �Looks like it's time
>> for another round of "Nazi Lizards from Outer Space." �Sigh.
>
>well, as long as it's not as bad as spaceballs the television series,
>gods above and below THAT was awful. I'm hoping we might even get a
>decent guest writer on it( strazynski are you listening, you to
>ellison!) but I agree with karen, it could be as abd as "Nazi lizards
I suspect they are running as hard and as fast as they can in the
other direction. Well, maybe not Harlan, he may give them a script by
"Cornwainer Bird" or two.
>from outer space" but as the bell tolls madness brings their sax
>filled ska music to my ears telling me it's time to go. Scotty, Beam
>me up.
Actually, I was referring to Paul Willett's imortal song, "Nazi
Lizards From Outer Space." His witty and scathing ode to the original
mini series.
Karen R.
I remember being quite rivited to the original mini-series. In my defense,
I was 13 years old, and was much easier to impress. :)
Still, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the premise. It's all down
to the execution. Given the recent success of Battlestar Galactica, it's
certainly *possible* they'll turn that mess into something watchable.
Possibly even something of quality.
It remains, as they say, to be seen.
Considering all the awful things that get done just continuing a _good_
series I think I prefer them working on something where there is nothing
to lose. Season two of "Twin Peaks" comes to mind.
--
Rich Brown -- rab -- Song Assasin -- FreeMars.org
Meanwhile, I plan to record (just in case they're any good)
Summer
Virtuality
Warehouse 13
Autumn
Vampire Diaries
Day One
and I'm looking forward to seeig more
Better Off Ted
The Dollhouse
Lie to Me
Numb3rs
and I'm hoping that Smallville hasn't jumped over too many sharks.
--Lee
PLONK
Well, as it happens a couple of the women he'd been hitting on had
confided in me their desier to feed him.
Knuckle Sandwich
Now: He got the message, polietly, from me, (no injury) and kept his
teeth but frankly... That was surprising. Most folks won't take the hint.
Now I"ve watched Firefly, and I've watched Battlestar,
The first couple of seasons of Battlestar were very entainering. Firefly
is more thought provoking.
Thus, Firfly is the better show
But Battlestar will bring in more $$$$$$ and as you know $$$$$$ talks.
Now Babylon-5 That is a show I'd like to have seen more of but alas, no
cable or sat where I lived.
I did, however, chat with the author on occasion.
OMG NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he didn't just invoke the (insert someone
elses problem field here) Twin Peaks 2nd Season!(exit sep field)
Thats a show that needs to be rerezzed
We will also be checking out Warehouse 13. I haven't even seen ads for
Virtuality, Vampire Diaries or Day One. And Dollhouse, Lie to me and
Numb3rs are favorites here, as well. Also Smallville. But like you, we
are keeping an eye out for shark jumping. It is long past the time when
clark should be flying regularly and we look forward to seeing him in
the tights (which we expect to happen in the last episode.)
Sandy
Motion is carried
You can get the whole series on DVD (probably on Blu Ray eventually) if
you didn't get to see it all. Plus there were a couple of movies (made
for TV type) made after the show ended. You can see it all now.
Sandy
B5 rerezzed? It was pretty brilliant as it was. What copuld be done
better? (Other than keeping Ivanova through to the end.)
Sandy
I don't look at ads if I can help it.
I keep track of upcoming shows on Futon Critic.
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/home.aspx
I keep track of what's being shown on myway and Zap2It.
Merlin starts this Sunday.
Better Off Ted has a few more episodes starting on Tuesday.
Virtuality starts July 4th.
--Lee
I don't disagree with this criteria. (I can't evaluate it as I have yet to
watch the new Battlestar Galactica, despite being told by many whose
opinions I trust that it's well worth seeing.)
But I'm a huge Firefly fan, and something would have to be quite good to
eclipse it in my opinion as the best SF TV show ever.
> But Battlestar will bring in more $$$$$$ and as you know $$$$$$ talks.
>
This is a bit of a post-facto argument. Battlestar Galactica was hardly a
Top Teir property before the remake, and when the remake was announced, the
nearly universal response was "They're remaking *what*? You're joking."
> Now Babylon-5 That is a show I'd like to have seen more of but alas, no
> cable or sat where I lived.
>
The entire series is available on DVD, and fairly cheaply these days. You
can usually pick it up for about $20 a season.
And the episodes of "Crusade" that were shown, as well.
>In article <IT7_l.36$kA...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> John Davis <john.f...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Now Babylon-5 That is a show I'd like to have seen more of but alas, no
>> cable or sat where I lived.
>
>You can watch the first two seasons online:
>
>http://www.hulu.com/babylon-5
>
>They say they're trying to get permission to put more of the series up.
That's a cruel tease, but better than nothing. I understand you can
rent episodes from Netflix, too.
Karen R.
Speaking as somemone who is just getting to the end of Season 2 for the
first time, I can say that I can think of nothing that would drive DVD
sales of Season 3 more than giving away Seasons 1-2 for free. :)
well I could see it if they brought back the writers, cast and
everything, but would they take the time and money? not likely, so we
look for great unknown writers, and great unknown cast members, and
start from scratch and finish the God@$^# story...
I'll check 'em out.
Sandy
>
> well I could see it if they brought back the writers, cast and
> everything, but would they take the time and money?
Well... a)"The writers" were mostly JMS, who has already _told_ that
story and has furthermore has said publically that he's not doing ANY
more B5 projects unless the studio is willing to fund a movie and do it
properly.
b)Andre Katsulas (G'Kar) and Richard Biggs (Dr. Franklin) are dead and
thus not re-castable, and I daresay a number of the other actors are
busy doing other things.
c)Joe worked out the whole universe past and present pretty much; if
properly funded (see a) he could always tell ANOTHER story instead of
remaking the first one. Crusade would of probably worked out fine if it
hadn't gotten pulled apart in the middle of an Atlanta/Los Angeles turf
war.
Personally, like a lot of people I want to see the rest of FIREFLY.
Whedon didn't even get to the first "things aren't what they seem" arc
plot twist... and you KNOW there was going to be at least one.
Hey, wasn't this supposed to be a filk ng?
Here's a song I wrote while the B5 series was on its first run:
I WANT A BEAR
Words: Kay Shapero
Tune: "Rat's Falkener Slobber Song" (aka "I want a blonde")
by Mercedes Lackey & C.J. Cherryh
I've watched the whole danged series
From the movie up to now.
I've puzzled at the mysteries
Of whom and when and how.
I've duly cheered the network on
For choosing to renew.
And having done all this I find
One more thing left to do..
Chorus
I want a bear, either brown or black will do.
I want a bear, or perhaps.. yes make it two.
(spoken) Four, six, eight, a whole row is really great!*
JMS would have a fit the moment that he heard.
The Captain spaced the last one but I want a bear!
Mollari wants the Empire back
While G'Kar prefers it dead.
Sheridan wants answers.. now!
"Thirteen" to be Earth's head.
Ikarrans wanted safety from
Whatever wasn't pure.
The Shadows know what Morden wants
While no one else is sure.
But...
Chorus
That Kosh wants something all believe
But just what is quite obscure.
While Franklin wants for all the ills
Of all lifekind a cure.
Psi Corps wants (pause - look into space, spoken.. er.. never mind)
And Garibaldi, lunch.
Ivanova a moment's peace
"No chance" I've got a hunch!
But...
Chorus
(spoken) "So now, what do YOU want?"
Words Copyright Kay Shapero, July 1995
* second verse replace spoken part with "dozen or so", third with
"hundred! What the heck..."
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Just wait for the eventual surf war between LA and Atlantis.
Kip W
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Or just go to
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...but we digress.
Much re-quoting clipped
Alas, When JMS concieved the show he decided it should run only so long,
and that is how long it ran. It ended where it was supposed to end.
Much as I'd like to see it again, it ended when it was supposed to.
One of the chats I had with him was due to my tendency to use FICTION to
illistrate a point.. I had done so using one of the B-5 plot elements
(Bester as I recall) and I got flamed because it is Fiction and thus can
not happen. JMS and I hung our electrons in the same forum at the time
(I am still there) and I relayed a much watered down version of the
flame to him along with some of the real life history that I felt was
behind Bester and crew..... He filled in about 3 times the history I
knew. I did a cut and paste back to the newsgroup where I got flamed.
I never saw the flamer again.
You see.. Though B-5 IS fiction... Several plot elements have a very
solid basis in genuine world history.. The kind you study in school.
Seems I'd not only slept through more than one history class.. I paid
attention when I was not sleeping. The flamer had failed to do that
(pay attention). OH well.
Poor guy did not know who I hung electrons with :)
Uh, Writer. Save for a few episodes that he did not like well JMS wrote
the entire show, start to finish.
There are two was to make a show good, one is to have a single writer
basically write a "Television Book" which is what JMS did
The other was used on Mod-Squad, 2 writers taking turns.
Having a stable of writers, can work out well, but more than not the
phrase "Too many cooks" applies.
Agreed. Dark Shadows had a stable of three writers: Sam Hall, Gordon
Russell, and Art Wallace, with Wallace (and Dan Curtis) providing
overall story arc.
Ted Johnstone (Dave McDaniel) founded an unofficial "Art Wallace Fan
Club". The symbol was a con-button showing a fist, thumb pointed down,
(as in "thumbs down") and the motto was "Spare them Nothing".
Lee and I still recite that as a sort of mantra whenever we see a
particularly tasty piece of writing on a TV series we watch (e.g.,
Dollhouse).
To quote from "Wallow" by Jim Vibber:
The way things are going, I take heart in knowing,
Though things have been bad, they will just get rougher.
Stories are best when there's never a Last Test.
Let's wallow (wallow, wallow, wallow...)
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Because of the uncertainty going into season 4 about whether there
would be a season 5, JMS squashed the remaining 2 years of story arc
into season 4. That meant 1) season 4 was compressed and unnatural;
and 2) season 5 was mostly filler. Ivanova's departure didn't help
with that, either.
Even a stable of several writers can work well with the right guiding
hand. (No I can't think of any examples.)
Sandy
>> Having a stable of writers, can work out well, but more than not the
>> phrase "Too many cooks" applies.
>
>Even a stable of several writers can work well with the right guiding
>hand. (No I can't think of any examples.)
>
M*A*S*H, Northern Exposure, Mary Tyler Moore, The Dick Van Dyke
Show...
Karen R.
>> Having a stable of writers, can work out well, but more than not the
>> phrase "Too many cooks" applies.
>
> Even a stable of several writers can work well with the right guiding
> hand. (No I can't think of any examples.)
"The Simpsons," in my estimation.
Kip W
The original Star Trek was a mixed bag, but had some very good
episodes written by writers who were just passing through. Theodore
Sturgeon, Robert Bloch, and Harlan Ellison all wrote memorable
episodes, for example.
True. And (I've heard) when TNG got started Roddenberry decreed that
there would be NO REAL SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS this time. Apparently he
found them hard to work with. Or something.
Sandy
I think any writer, book, film, or TV, needs an editor.
There are moments when JMS could have been improved by a few sharp
editorial questions.
--
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On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.
The Hardy Boys :)
martin
Most of those were written by one guy, I thought, at least before the
rewrites started.
I see the smile, but you got me thinking.
Kip W
(Where's the emoticon for that?)
He also wrote the orignial Nancy Drew stories. Retired police officer.
JimP.
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Dan, ad nauseam