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Tuomas J Lukka

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Jan 14, 1994, 7:58:04 AM1/14/94
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I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people
have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
that even unmodified auloses are good...

What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.

Thank you in advance.

Tjl

Diarmuid Pigott

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Jan 14, 1994, 11:02:51 AM1/14/94
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Tuomas J Lukka (lu...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people

I have the Aulos baroque flute and adore it. It's not plastic, it's a
specially design resin, and it works. It plays beautifully, sofftly etc,
and is better than any of the cheap wooden flutes (ie under 1000) I have
played on. Remember there are also excellent resin clarinets and oboes.

I admin to having a rosewood Dolmetsch recorder, but the resin ones are
great as well.

Roland Hutchinson

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Jan 14, 1994, 1:40:58 PM1/14/94
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In that price range, Cameron's modified aulos, which will play at both
A=415 and A=440.

Common wisdom says to beware of wooden baroque flutes offered in that
price range as new instruments (if there are any). The cheapest
wooden flutes are often made by makers with a folk-instrument
background, and they don't work like historical instruments, and they
also often have intonation problems that more carefully-designed
instruments avoid.

If a renaissance flute is an alternative for you purposes, Barbara
Stanley's renaissance flutes are in that price range and are excellent
professional-quality instruments.

And, sorry to say, flutes are not expensive. Try buying a violin some
time.

What about it folks? Can we send the flogging posse (professional
division) out after wind players who complain about the high price of
instruments?

Anyone who has never had to decide between buying an instrument and
buying a car hasn't paid her/his dues. (And we all know people who
have had do decide between an instrument and a house. I don't think
I'll ever make it into *that* tax bracket.)

I PROMISED in my last post to get off and go practice. So I'd better
duck and run now...

Disclaimer: I'm no flute specialist. You wouldn't want to listen to
me try. I am repeating wisdom gleaned from specialists and
interpreted in light of experience with flutists in my collegium.

--
Roland Hutchinson Visiting Specialist/Early Music
Internet: rhut...@pilot.njin.net Department of Music
Bitnet: rhutchin@NJIN Montclair State College
All-in-1 (MSC campus): rhut...@pilot.njin.net@wins Upper Montclair, NJ 07043

Mr. Kim Pineda, CARPE PER DIEM

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Jan 14, 1994, 2:59:30 PM1/14/94
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I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people
have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
that even unmodified auloses are good...
I HAD A STUDENT WHO USED ONE AND MANAGED TO GET A GOOD SOUND OUT
OF IT, PLAY IT IN TUNE, AND SEEMED PRETTY SATISFIED WITH IT.

What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.

IF PLASTIC OR RESIN AIN'T WHAT YOU WANT, THEN GO THE USED ROUTE.
SOME FOLKS SELL THINGS JUST BECAUSE THEY NEED THE COINS. THEIR
USED INSTRUMENTS ARE NOT ALWAYS DOG FOOD.

COMPARED TO MODERN INSTRUMENTS, HARPSICHORDS AND BAROQUE BAROQUE
VIOLINS (real ones, not copies), PERIOD INSTRUMENTS ARE PRETTY
CHEAP (compare Rod Cameron to Powell, Rowland Ross to any decent
modern violin). CHEAP IS A RELATIVE TERM, I KNOW. I SWEAT
BLOOD BEFORE I CAN BUY ANOTHER AXE.

Kim Pineda

Thank you in advance.

YOU ARE WELCOME.
Tjl

Tom Moore

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Jan 14, 1994, 3:53:44 PM1/14/94
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If you want to spend under $500, I would definitely go for
one of Cameron's stretch-model Aulos flutes. I would
be surprised if you were able to find any used wooden
instrument under $500 that would play as well.

>I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people
>have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
>that even unmodified auloses are good...
>

>What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
>choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
>I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.
>

>Thank you in advance.
>
> Tjl

Tom Moore, Music Listening Library, Princeton University
STM...@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
609-258-4250

Mr. Kim Pineda, CARPE PER DIEM

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Jan 14, 1994, 2:56:20 PM1/14/94
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I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people
have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
that even unmodified auloses are good...
I HAD A STUDENT WHO USED ONE AND MANAGED TO GET A GOOD SOUND OUT
OF IT, PLAY IT IN TUNE, AND SEEMED PRETTY SATISFIED WITH IT.

What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.

Tom Moore

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Jan 14, 1994, 3:44:50 PM1/14/94
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If you want to spend under $500, I would definitely go for
one of Cameron's stretch-model Aulos flutes. I would
be surprised if you were able to find any used wooden
instrument under $500 that would play as well.



>I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people
>have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
>that even unmodified auloses are good...
>
>What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
>choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
>I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.
>

Roland Hutchinson

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Jan 15, 1994, 7:44:26 AM1/15/94
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In <2h64ss$g...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> lu...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Tuomas J Lukka) wri
tes:

>I would like to learn to play the baroque flute. Some people


>have suggested Cameron's modified Aulos flutes, some have said
>that even unmodified auloses are good...

>What's the best and relatively cheap (absolute max. $500), durable
>choice? It's sad that all early music instruments cost so much but
>I guess it's because there's so little demand and so much work.

In that price range, Cameron's modified aulos, which will play at both

Hope Ehn Dennis Ehn

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Jan 15, 1994, 9:03:37 PM1/15/94
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If the folks in Bloomington are going to be flogging wind players who
complain about the high price of instruments, as suggested by Roland
Hutchinson, I suggest they exempt modern bassoonists. Has anyone priced a
Heckel bassoon lately? The last I heard, several years ago, the price was
over $10,000 and climbing--not to Stradivarious levels, of course, but
high enough to be extremely painful. My guess is that the current price of
a Heckel bassoon at any given time approximates that of a NEW Toyota Camry
or equivalent car. It may also be about the same as that of many new
violins by good makers, or close to that of 18th-century German violins.

Maybe someone should put together a cost-of-playing index, to see whether,
as I suspect, the prices of particular instruments remain equivalent to
those of particular non-musical items over a period of time. Any
suggestions for equivalences? How about a basic plastic soprano recorder
vs. a box of Pampers or a large bag of Kitty Litter?

Hope Ehn
<e...@world.std.com>

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Hope Ehn Dennis Ehn

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Jan 15, 1994, 9:02:09 PM1/15/94
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Roland Hutchinson

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Jan 15, 1994, 9:41:22 PM1/15/94
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In <Pine.3.89.9401152...@world.std.com> e...@WORLD.STD.COM (Hope Ehn Dennis Ehn) writes:

>If the folks in Bloomington are going to be flogging wind players who
>complain about the high price of instruments, as suggested by Roland
>Hutchinson, I suggest they exempt modern bassoonists. Has anyone priced a
>Heckel bassoon lately? The last I heard, several years ago, the price was
>over $10,000 and climbing--not to Stradivarious levels, of course, but
>high enough to be extremely painful. My guess is that the current price of
>a Heckel bassoon at any given time approximates that of a NEW Toyota Camry
>or equivalent car. It may also be about the same as that of many new
>violins by good makers, or close to that of 18th-century German violins.

Just so: for your ten grand you get the best modern bassoon in the
world. For the same kind of dough, you get a good violin, but not a great
one.

Ok, Hope, we won't flog the bassoonists too severely.

Roland Hutchinson

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