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really real
Jun 10, 2013, 10:13:25 AM6/10/13
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I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
one. I've had to eliminate a lot of good songs to get down to these 24.
I wondered if Bob was going to make it, as I was tempted to keep
"Believer" out of it, But Robert Wyatt's "I'm a Believer" is essential,
and I just can't seem to resist the Monkee's Daydream Believer
BELIEVE
1. Manfred Mann - I Can't Believe What You Say
2. Robert Wyatt - I'm A Believer
3. Dion - Believe What You Say
4. Chris Isaak - I Believe
5. The Sand Band - Reason to Believe
6. Sinaead O'Conner - I Believe In You
7. Little Richard - Can't Believe You Wanna Leave
8. Hot Chocolate - You Sexy Thing
9. Toots & The Maytalls - Do You Believe
10. Lou Reed and John Cale - I Believe
11. Ray Charles - I Believe To My Soul
12. Elmore James - I Believe
13. Small Faces - You'd Better Believe It
14. The Monkees - Daydream Believer
15. Stevie Wonder - I Believe (When I Fall In Love It Will Be Forever)
16. Roy Hamilton - It's Only Make Believe
17. Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks - You Gotta Believe
18. Elvis Costello with Anne Sofie von Otter - You Still Believe in Me
19. Bobby Blue Bland - I Don't Believe
20. Holly Golightly - Believe Me #1
21. Desmond Dekker - I Believe
22. Joe Tex - You Better Believe It, Baby
23. Bob Dylan - Obviously 5 Believers
24. Arthur Alexander - I Believe In Miracles
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 10:29:11 AM6/10/13
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Why not the Ricky Nelson hit instead of this remake?
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 11:44:12 AM6/10/13
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songs. There's something very laid back, very white manish about his
singing, that I also find with Lou Reed. Ricky's version of Honeycomb
beats Jimmy Rodgers and has found a place on my Honey comp.
But Dion is making amazing music these days. His version of Believe What
You Say is a recent remake for him. And he sounds terrific.
In general, a new recording of a song sounds better technically. Not
always, but often. Dion's version sounds better than Ricky's.
I also used Manfred Mann's Believe What You Say instead of Ike & Tina's.
That was a hard decision to make, as both versions are very good. But I
went with the white guys.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 11:45:11 AM6/10/13
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On Jun 10, 11:44 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> I also used Manfred Mann's Believe What You Say instead of Ike & Tina's.
> That was a hard decision to make, as both versions are very good. But I
> went with the white guys.
Fag
>
> I also used Manfred Mann's Believe What You Say instead of Ike & Tina's.
> That was a hard decision to make, as both versions are very good. But I
> went with the white guys.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 11:46:06 AM6/10/13
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Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 11:52:28 AM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:13:25 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
Bob Dylan - I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
Doobie Bros. - What A Fool Believes
Jefferson Starship - [If Only You Believed In] Miracles
wrote:
Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
Doobie Bros. - What A Fool Believes
Jefferson Starship - [If Only You Believed In] Miracles
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 11:52:31 AM6/10/13
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1960s remake?
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 11:53:38 AM6/10/13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDtYYQY6oxA
Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 11:53:57 AM6/10/13
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you?
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 11:54:59 AM6/10/13
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On Jun 10, 11:52 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:13:25 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
Thanks, Whitey.
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:13:25 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 12:39:15 PM6/10/13
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>
> You want white guys, you won't get much whiter than this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDtYYQY6oxA
>
There were a lot of doowoppy Believe songs I could have used, both black
and white, but I never bothered listening to them because I had so many
better songs.
I have this one on a DooWop Box. I remember a controversy where the
Diamonds were said to have made a blacker sounding Little Darling than
the Gladiolas, a black doowop group.
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 12:42:41 PM6/10/13
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>>> 7. Little Richard - Can't Believe You Wanna Leave
>>> 8. Hot Chocolate - You Sexy Thing
>>> 9. Toots & The Maytalls - Do You Believe
>>> 10. Lou Reed and John Cale - I Believe
>>> 11. Ray Charles - I Believe To My Soul
>>> 12. Elmore James - I Believe
>>> 13. Small Faces - You'd Better Believe It
>>
>> Where the FUCK is this?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83-SCAp1Zw
>
> My mistake, it's #12. But do you have the correct version or some
> 1960s remake?
>
>
>
>
I'm not sure. I grabbed the one of the Elmore James King of the Slide
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83-SCAp1Zw
>
> My mistake, it's #12. But do you have the correct version or some
> 1960s remake?
>
>
>
>
Guitar 2cd box. It sounds primitive enough to be the original
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 12:50:08 PM6/10/13
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>
> Bob Dylan - I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
> Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
Innocence, but I didn't have room for it.
> Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
> Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
> Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
yech
> Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
comp, but I liked the Sand Bands version from the new Tim Hardin tribute
album.
Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 1:03:26 PM6/10/13
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glad to include them.
Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 1:12:22 PM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:50:08 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>
>>
make the cut. They only played it live a half dozen times, and one
version is on an 18 CD Dead box set including several live shows from
1990. Other than, you'd only be able to find it on bootlegs, so it
probably doesn't qualify for your comp.
>> Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
>
>yech
Yeah, but not as big a yech.
wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob Dylan - I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
>
>the twerp does not even use the word "believe" in this song
>
It's implied.
>
>the twerp does not even use the word "believe" in this song
>
>
>
>> Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
>
>It's on Magic of course. I was tempted to use a cover version by
>Innocence, but I didn't have room for it.
Well, you have Miracles, so why not Magic?
>
>> Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
>
>It's on Magic of course. I was tempted to use a cover version by
>Innocence, but I didn't have room for it.
>
>
>
>> Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
>
>Where is that from? I have a song by that name by Don Covay and Cowboy Copus
It was actually recorded for the Dead's last studio album but didn't
>
>
>> Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
>
>Where is that from? I have a song by that name by Don Covay and Cowboy Copus
make the cut. They only played it live a half dozen times, and one
version is on an 18 CD Dead box set including several live shows from
1990. Other than, you'd only be able to find it on bootlegs, so it
probably doesn't qualify for your comp.
>
>
>> Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
>
>yech
'xactly!
>
>> Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
>
>yech
>> Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
>
>yech
>
>> Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
>
>
>Rod does a good job of Tim Hardin's original, which is on my Reason
>comp, but I liked the Sand Bands version from the new Tim Hardin tribute
>album.
Forgot all about Hardin's original, which was very good.
>> Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
>
>
>Rod does a good job of Tim Hardin's original, which is on my Reason
>comp, but I liked the Sand Bands version from the new Tim Hardin tribute
>album.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 2:44:58 PM6/10/13
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On Jun 10, 1:03 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> Bob Dylan - I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
> >> Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
> >> Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
> >> Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
> >> Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
> >> Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
> >> Doobie Bros. - What A Fool Believes
> >> Jefferson Starship - [If Only You Believed In] Miracles
>
> >Thanks, Whitey.
>
> Do you know of any versions of these songs by black artists? I'd be
> glad to include them.
The point is, aren't there any "believe" songs by black artists that
>
> >> Bob Dylan - I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met)
> >> Lovin' Spoonful - Do You Believe In Magic?
> >> Grateful Dead - Believe It Or Not (not one of their better tunes)
> >> Journey - Don't Stop Believing (I suggest this one reluctantly)
> >> Red Hot Chili Peppers - We Believe
> >> Rod Stewart - Reason To Believe
> >> Doobie Bros. - What A Fool Believes
> >> Jefferson Starship - [If Only You Believed In] Miracles
>
> >Thanks, Whitey.
>
> Do you know of any versions of these songs by black artists? I'd be
> glad to include them.
you could suggest?
BobbyM
Jun 10, 2013, 5:36:14 PM6/10/13
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On 10-Jun-13 11:13 PM, really real wrote:
>
> I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
> enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
> one. I've had to eliminate a lot of good songs to get down to these 24.
> I wondered if Bob was going to make it, as I was tempted to keep
> "Believer" out of it, But Robert Wyatt's "I'm a Believer" is essential,
> and I just can't seem to resist the Monkee's Daydream Believer
"I Don't Believe You" would be a better choice for Dylan & would keep
>
> I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
> enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
> one. I've had to eliminate a lot of good songs to get down to these 24.
> I wondered if Bob was going to make it, as I was tempted to keep
> "Believer" out of it, But Robert Wyatt's "I'm a Believer" is essential,
> and I just can't seem to resist the Monkee's Daydream Believer
you in the "believe" realm.
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 5:53:00 PM6/10/13
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>
> Well, you have Miracles, so why not Magic?
in Magic would be somewhat welcome, as it's a wonderful song, I felt
that it shouldn't bump what I already have.
Miracles is a concept that won't fill a cd with great songs. I'd like
to remove the Miracle songs from Believe but only if the Miracle comp
would be worthwhile. There are about five good Miracle songs, including
the Jefferson Starship's Miracles, but that song's not good enough to
bump something off Believe either.
> Forgot all about Hardin's original, which was very good.
utterly wonderful.
>>> Doobie Bros. - What A Fool Believes
Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 6:09:11 PM6/10/13
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that make me a racist?
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 10, 2013, 6:49:40 PM6/10/13
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really real
Jun 10, 2013, 7:44:36 PM6/10/13
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>>
>>> The point is, aren't there any "believe" songs by black artists that
>>> you could suggest?
>>
>> I really don't pay much attention to the color of the artist.
>
> Don't worry, I'll keep track of it for you.
>
up. They are the geniuses (white geniuses) who did Short Shorts!
khematite
Jun 10, 2013, 8:31:53 PM6/10/13
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Just Walkin'
Jun 10, 2013, 8:42:18 PM6/10/13
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On Jun 10, 9:13 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
> enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
>
I don't believe you. There are quite a few comps I have yet to see.
> I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
> enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
>
Have you a list of themes you've used in making your comps that you
might kindly share us so we can check and be sure before lodging any
serious requests?
>
> one. I've had to eliminate a lot of good songs to get down to these 24.
> I wondered if Bob was going to make it, as I was tempted to keep
> "Believer" out of it, But Robert Wyatt's "I'm a Believer" is essential,
> and I just can't seem to resist the Monkee's Daydream Believer
>
> BELIEVE
> 1. Manfred Mann - I Can't Believe What You Say
> 2. Robert Wyatt - I'm A Believer
> 3. Dion - Believe What You Say
> 4. Chris Isaak - I Believe
> 5. The Sand Band - Reason to Believe
> 6. Sinaead O'Conner - I Believe In You
> 7. Little Richard - Can't Believe You Wanna Leave
> 8. Hot Chocolate - You Sexy Thing
> 9. Toots & The Maytalls - Do You Believe
> 10. Lou Reed and John Cale - I Believe
> 11. Ray Charles - I Believe To My Soul
> 12. Elmore James - I Believe
> 13. Small Faces - You'd Better Believe It
> 14. The Monkees - Daydream Believer
> 15. Stevie Wonder - I Believe (When I Fall In Love It Will Be Forever)
> 16. Roy Hamilton - It's Only Make Believe
BobbyM
Jun 10, 2013, 9:03:01 PM6/10/13
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a member at the time. Don't think he actually recorded with them at all.
really real
Jun 10, 2013, 10:37:13 PM6/10/13
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>> I feel like I've run out of themes for a compilation that will have
>> enough great songs to make it worthwhile, but Believe is a very rich
>>
> I don't believe you. There are quite a few comps I have yet to see.
> Have you a list of themes you've used in making your comps that you
> might kindly share us so we can check and be sure before lodging any
> serious requests?
>
good songs. I keep running into dead ends. Believe was a real exception.
Here's what I have so far:
ALABAMA
ALRIGHT
AMERICA
ANNIE
ANGEL
ANYTHING
AROUND
BABY
BACK
BELIEVE
BELL
BEST FRIEND
BETTER
BIG
BIRD
BLACK
BLUE
THE BLUES
BOOK
BOOM
BORN
BOY
BOY KIND OF
BOYS
CADILLAC
CALIFORNIA
CANDY
CAROLINA
CARS
(NEW RED) CAR
CAT
CHAINS
CHANGE
CHICAGO
CHICKEN
CITY
CLOSE AND CLOSER
CLOUD
COFFEE
COME ON
CORNER
COWBOY
CRAZY
CRY
CRYING
DANCE
DARK
DAYS
DEVIL
DO
DOCTOR
DOG
DOLL
DOOR
DOWN DOWN DOWN
DOWNTOWN
DREAM
DRINKING
DRIVING
EASY
EVERYONE
EVERYBODY
EVERYTHING
EVERYTIME
EYES
FACE
FADE
FARMER
FEELINGS
FINE
FIRE
FOOL
FREE
FREEDOM
FUN
GAMES
GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS
GIRL
GIRL FROM
LITTLE GIRL
GIRL’ NAMES
GO
GOLD
GONE
GOOD
GUN
GYPSY
HAIR
HAND
HAPPY
HEART
HEARTBEAT
HEART BREAK
HEARTACHE
HEAVEN
HELLO AND GOODBYE
HELP
HIGHWAY
HOME
HONEY
HOT
HOUSE
HURT
JACK
JANE
JAPAN
JESUS
JOE
JOHNNY
JONES
JOY
JUMP
KING
KISS
KNOCKIN'
LADY
LAUGH
LETTER
LIES
LIGHT
LINE
LITTLE
LONDON
LONELY
LONG TIME
LOOK
LOSER
LUCK
MAGIC
MAMA
MAN
MARY
MARY ANN
MAYBE
MEMORIES
MEMPHI
MEXICO
MIDNIGHT
MISSISSIPPI
MONDAY
MONEY
MONKEY
MOON
MORNING
MOUNTAIN
MOVE
MUSIC
NAME
NEW ORLEANS
NEW YORK
NICE
NIGHT
NOBODY
NONSENSE
NOTHING
NOWHERE
THE ONE
OVER
PARADISE
PARTY
PEACE
PLEASE
PUSH
PROMISE
QUEEN
RADIO
RAIN
REASON
RED
REMEMBER
RETIREMENT
REVOLUTION
RIDE
RIVER
ROAD
ROCK
ROCK ‘N’ ROLL
ROLLING
ROSE
RUN
RUNNING
SAD
SALLY
SANTA
SATISFIED
SATURDAY
SECRET
SCHOOL
SHADOW
SHAME
SHINE
SHOES
SIGN
SILENCE
SLEEP
SOMEBODY
SOMEDAY
SOMEONE
SOMETHING
SONG
SORRY
SPANISH
STEP
STICK
STOP
SPACE
STAR
STAY
STRANGE
STRANGER
STORM
STREET
STREETS
SUGAR
SUMMER
SUNDAY
SUN
SUNSHINE
SWEET
SWEETHEART
TALK
TEARS
TEARDROPS
TEENAGE YEARS
TELL
TEMPTATION
TENNESSEE
TEXAS
THING
THINGS
TIME
TIRED
TOGETHER
TOMORROW
TOWN
TOUCH
TRAIN
TRAVEL
TROUBLE
TRUE LOVE
TRUTH
TRY
TURN
WAIT
WALKING
WALL
WAR
WATER
WAY
WEEKEND
WHEEL
WHISKEY
WILD
WIND
WINDOWS
WINE
WING
WOMAN
WORDS
WORLD
WORRY
WRONG
YESTERDAY
YOU
YOUNG
Just Kidding
Jun 10, 2013, 11:08:32 PM6/10/13
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:37:13 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
>
I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
wrote:
>
have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 9:47:29 AM6/11/13
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>>
> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming. Also I would have to use
Michael Row the Boat Ashore, and even though I have Gram Parson's
version, it's still a hated song.
Ship is richer, with When the Ship Comes In, Shipbuilding Wooden
Ships,Ship of Fools.I'll Sail My Ship Alone and The Bonnie Ship, The
Diamond. It's tempting
I must have accidentally erased Today from my list:
TODAY
1. The Beach Boys - Here Today
2, Stevie Wonder - Love's In Need Of Love Today (edit)
3. Kid Creole & the Coconuts - Things We Said Today
4. The Kinks - Good Day
5. Bobby Blue Bland - Today
6. The Swan Silvertones - Lord Today
7. The Everly Brothers - You're Just What I Was Looking For Today
8. The Rose Garden - Till Today
9. Jimi Hendrix - I Don't Live Today (edit)
10. Marvin Gaye - You're What's Happening (In The World Today)
11. David Bowie - After Today
12. Thorinsfield - Here Today
13. The Gosdin Brothers - I'll Live Today
14. George Jones - He Stopped Loving Her Today
15. Barbara Lewis - Just The Way You Are Today
16. Elvis Presley- I Met Her Today
17. Jefferson Airplane - Today
18. The New Christy Minstrels - Today
19. R H Harris & The Soul Stirrers- Today
20. Grass Roots- Let's Live For Today
21. Moby Grape - It's A Beautiful Day Today
22. Gene Clark & Carla Olson - Why Did You Leave Me Today
23. Jerry Lee Lewis - Today I Started Loving You Again
24. Steve Earle - Time Has Come Today
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 9:49:50 AM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> > have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
Steamboat - Drifters
> > I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> > have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 10:23:56 AM6/11/13
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I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby. I always thought that this
was the start of the wonderful evolution of pop music that changed the
world.
Was mine a subjective reaction, just like his was? No, this guy was a
fool and I was right.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 10:33:41 AM6/11/13
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color -- wanna check on that for me BB?)
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 10:44:49 AM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 10:23 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 6/11/2013 6:49 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> >>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> >> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> >> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>
> > Steamboat - Drifters
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>
> Good song. I love those Drifters.
>
> I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
> Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby.
I agree with him. That was the beginning of the end of the stuff I
> On 6/11/2013 6:49 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> >>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> >> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> >> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>
> > Steamboat - Drifters
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>
> Good song. I love those Drifters.
>
> I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
> Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby.
like best. All of a sudden there were faggy violins in all kinds of
things in the next 2-3 years after that record.
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 11:45:29 AM6/11/13
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"boat" in his Day-O song.
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 11:48:27 AM6/11/13
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>>
>> I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
>> Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby.
>
> I agree with him. That was the beginning of the end of the stuff I
> like best. All of a sudden there were faggy violins in all kinds of
> things in the next 2-3 years after that record.
Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 12:33:10 PM6/11/13
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:
The boat is an implied image.
wrote:
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 1:51:01 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 11:48 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
> >> Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby.
>
> > I agree with him. That was the beginning of the end of the stuff I
> > like best. All of a sudden there were faggy violins in all kinds of
> > things in the next 2-3 years after that record.
>
> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> >> I once met an aging ex-hippie who thought that music died when the
> >> Drifters added strings to There Goes My Baby.
>
> > I agree with him. That was the beginning of the end of the stuff I
> > like best. All of a sudden there were faggy violins in all kinds of
> > things in the next 2-3 years after that record.
>
> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
the McPhatter Drifters.
> Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
> lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
> 1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
Before rock and roll started to become popular with whites people were
listening to Eddie Fisher and Don Cornell and Patti Page. Before long
it was Little Richard, Elvis and Chuck Berry and Fats Domino. There's
a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones. Just look at
Dylan's radio show and notice that he plays a lot more stuff from the
50s and early 60s than he plays from the 70s and beyond. Bob knows
where the reaj shit was at.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 1:51:50 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 12:33 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
word boat.
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
word boat.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 1:54:20 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 11:48 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
> lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
> 1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
There was no soul music before R&B started using violins.
>
> Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
> lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
> 1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
Just Walkin'
Jun 11, 2013, 2:34:44 PM6/11/13
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there's no mention of such, let alone work, bosses, wages, toil and
the like.
And, work is usually b/w play and I don't see that either.
And what about friends and enemies? Don't they rate?
Shortage my word! You've got lists to make till the cows come home!
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 3:15:55 PM6/11/13
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In article
<3799b2b8-4f75-43ad...@k10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
You saying it has to have violins to be soul?
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 3:28:14 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 3:15 pm, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> In article
> <3799b2b8-4f75-43ad-a1b6-ae9d117a2...@k10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
early 60s, etc....
> In article
> <3799b2b8-4f75-43ad-a1b6-ae9d117a2...@k10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 11, 11:48 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
> > > lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
> > > 1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
>
> > There was no soul music before R&B started using violins.
>
> You saying it has to have violins to be soul?
No.
>
> > On Jun 11, 11:48 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Once soul music started to incorporate violins, it also got very
> > > lyrically sophisticated, opening the way to the revolutionary decade of
> > > 1966-1975 which changed the world forever.
>
> > There was no soul music before R&B started using violins.
>
> You saying it has to have violins to be soul?
I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
early 60s, etc....
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 4:39:24 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 4:34 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
> compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
> start.
>
> I'd like to see your rough list of "DO" and "YOU" songs, before you
> started narrowing them down.
>
> > BACK
> > BOY
> > GIRL
> > GO
> > MAN
> > OVER
> > WAY
> > WOMAN
>
> Oy vey.
Are you Jewish?
> I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
> compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
> start.
>
> I'd like to see your rough list of "DO" and "YOU" songs, before you
> started narrowing them down.
>
> > BACK
> > BOY
> > GIRL
> > GO
> > MAN
> > OVER
> > WAY
> > WOMAN
>
> Oy vey.
Are you Jewish?
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 4:40:58 PM6/11/13
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In article
<4ba14c81-ff07-4603...@n13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
re-argue) it.
<4ba14c81-ff07-4603...@n13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
re-argue) it.
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really real
Jun 11, 2013, 4:48:06 PM6/11/13
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>>
>> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>
> Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> the McPhatter Drifters.
That's why Aretha took to it so well.
Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
roll
>
> There's
> a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
> there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
I'm not so sure. Little Richard is still basically in the Oh My Papa
> There's
> a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
> there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
groove, while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 4:48:16 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 4:45 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
Only 25%
So, are you Jewish?
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Here's what I have so far:
>
> > > I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
> > > compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
> > > start.
>
> > > I'd like to see your rough list of "DO" and "YOU" songs, before you
> > > started narrowing them down.
>
> > > > BACK
> > > > BOY
> > > > GIRL
> > > > GO
> > > > MAN
> > > > OVER
> > > > WAY
> > > > WOMAN
>
> > > Oy vey.
>
> > Are you Jewish?
>
> Are you black?
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Here's what I have so far:
>
> > > I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
> > > compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
> > > start.
>
> > > I'd like to see your rough list of "DO" and "YOU" songs, before you
> > > started narrowing them down.
>
> > > > BACK
> > > > BOY
> > > > GIRL
> > > > GO
> > > > MAN
> > > > OVER
> > > > WAY
> > > > WOMAN
>
> > > Oy vey.
>
> > Are you Jewish?
>
Only 25%
So, are you Jewish?
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 4:49:51 PM6/11/13
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>>
>> I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
>>
>> The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
>> Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
>> early 60s, etc....
>
> Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
> is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
> re-argue) it.
>
of soul. I think James Brown's early records were soul. All this
happened before the Drifters got their violins.
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 4:52:23 PM6/11/13
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>
> I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
> compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
> start.
can yield some of the best songs.
> I'd like to see your rough list of "DO" and "YOU" songs, before you
> started narrowing them down.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 4:55:15 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>
> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>
> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>
> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>
> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
they sing.
.
> Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
> instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
> happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
> roll
The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
> instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
> happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
> roll
Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
> > There's
> > a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
> > there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
>
> I'm not so sure. Little Richard is still basically in the Oh My Papa
> groove, while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
as several Little Richard records.
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 5:00:55 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 4:49 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
>
> >> The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
> >> Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
> >> early 60s, etc....
>
> > Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
> > is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
> > re-argue) it.
>
> Most people credit Ray Charles' secular use of gospel music as the birth
> of soul.
I disagree with that.
> >> I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
>
> >> The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
> >> Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
> >> early 60s, etc....
>
> > Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
> > is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
> > re-argue) it.
>
> Most people credit Ray Charles' secular use of gospel music as the birth
> of soul.
> I think James Brown's early records were soul. All this
> happened before the Drifters got their violins.
"There Goes My baby." Let us know which ones are soul, according to
you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNPpJ4GzaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4sUV6nyDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJMvVvuVgM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFajTSYWDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1sZNvcN1OU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL929hoelvw
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:11:10 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:02 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> > > That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> > And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> > My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> > been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> > they sing.
>
> Yeah, it must be coincidence that all those songs have lyrics about love
> > > That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> > And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> > My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> > been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> > they sing.
>
> and other fundamental emotions central to one's "soul."
>
> > > Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
> > > instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
> > > happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
> > > roll
>
> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Here again is your strangely prevalent tactic of "proving" a general
> > > Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
> > > instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
> > > happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
> > > roll
>
> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> rule by indicating your own preferences.
Here's some songs that the people in this group just named among the
greatest of the decade:
19) All Day And All Of The Night - Kinks
16) Dancing In The Street - Martha & the Vandellas
11) Soul Man - Sam & Dave
10) I Get Around - Beach Boys
09) Bring It On Home To Me - Sam Cooke
08) In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
05) You Really Got Me - Kinks
Do any of them have deep lyrics?
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:22:16 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:13 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
The point is that sophisticated lyrics are not required for 60s songs
to be considered classics.
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Here again is your strangely prevalent tactic of "proving" a general
> > > rule by indicating your own preferences.
>
> > Here's some songs that the people in this group just named among the
> > greatest of the decade:
>
> > 19) All Day And All Of The Night - Kinks
> > 16) Dancing In The Street - Martha & the Vandellas
> > 11) Soul Man - Sam & Dave
> > 10) I Get Around - Beach Boys
> > 09) Bring It On Home To Me - Sam Cooke
> > 08) In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
> > 05) You Really Got Me - Kinks
>
> > Do any of them have deep lyrics?
>
> Cherrypicking your data yet again, eh? Zzz.
>
> > > Here again is your strangely prevalent tactic of "proving" a general
> > > rule by indicating your own preferences.
>
> > Here's some songs that the people in this group just named among the
> > greatest of the decade:
>
> > 19) All Day And All Of The Night - Kinks
> > 16) Dancing In The Street - Martha & the Vandellas
> > 11) Soul Man - Sam & Dave
> > 10) I Get Around - Beach Boys
> > 09) Bring It On Home To Me - Sam Cooke
> > 08) In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
> > 05) You Really Got Me - Kinks
>
> > Do any of them have deep lyrics?
>
The point is that sophisticated lyrics are not required for 60s songs
to be considered classics.
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Jun 11, 2013, 5:26:37 PM6/11/13
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:34:20 PM6/11/13
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>
> Who said they were required? Who?
Really Real inferred that when he said this:
> Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
> instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
> roll
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:35:13 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:26 pm, Martin Grossman <martingross...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
My ears, my heart and my Johnson.
wrote:
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:42:58 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:38 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Tell you what, Bruce. You love to pore over lists.
> > > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
>
> http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs60s.html
>
> List the songs from your own top 300 where you feel their lyrics were
> trivial. I suspect your list will reveal your tin ear to this factor in
> music.
I'll do that after you tell me if you are Jewish or not.
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Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 5:45:59 PM6/11/13
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In article
<207ea5c2-5d62-4717...@c3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, The
> > I think James Brown's early records were soul. All this
> > happened before the Drifters got their violins.
>
> Here's a bunch of James Brown's earliest records, all from before
> "There Goes My baby." Let us know which ones are soul, according to
> you:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNPpJ4GzaE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4sUV6nyDo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJMvVvuVgM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFajTSYWDM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1sZNvcN1OU
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL929hoelvw
You conveniently omitted "Please, Please, Please." It's prototypical
soul.
I add "Shake A Hand" by Faye Adams to the list of soul records before
the term was coined.
<207ea5c2-5d62-4717...@c3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, The
Bloomfield Buddy <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 4:49 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
> >
> > >> The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
> > >> Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
> > >> early 60s, etc....
> >
> > > Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
> > > is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
> > > re-argue) it.
> >
> > Most people credit Ray Charles' secular use of gospel music as the birth
> > of soul.
>
> I disagree with that.
I think you're wrong. RR has it right.
> On Jun 11, 4:49 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> I'm saying that there was no soul music before mid-1959.
> >
> > >> The best soul music usually has no violins (James Brown, Sam & Dave,
> > >> Otis Redding, Aretha in 67-68, Wilson Pickett, Impressions from the
> > >> early 60s, etc....
> >
> > > Since I think r&b and soul are continuous, I think such a strict date
> > > is slightly absurd. But this doesn't seem the place to argue (or
> > > re-argue) it.
> >
> > Most people credit Ray Charles' secular use of gospel music as the birth
> > of soul.
>
> I disagree with that.
> > I think James Brown's early records were soul. All this
> > happened before the Drifters got their violins.
>
> Here's a bunch of James Brown's earliest records, all from before
> "There Goes My baby." Let us know which ones are soul, according to
> you:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNPpJ4GzaE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4sUV6nyDo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJMvVvuVgM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFajTSYWDM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1sZNvcN1OU
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL929hoelvw
soul.
I add "Shake A Hand" by Faye Adams to the list of soul records before
the term was coined.
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:47:19 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:38 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> > > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Tell you what, Bruce. You love to pore over lists.
>
> http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs60s.html
>
> List the songs from your own top 300 where you feel their lyrics were
> trivial. I suspect your list will reveal your tin ear to this factor in
> music.
Just from the top 50, all of these have trivial lyrics. On "Proud
>
> http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs60s.html
>
> List the songs from your own top 300 where you feel their lyrics were
> trivial. I suspect your list will reveal your tin ear to this factor in
> music.
Mary" you could not even come close to deciphering what he was
singing. Nobody knew the words until the Ike & Tina version.
1. Respect - Aretha Franklin
2. Louie Louie - Kingsmen
6. Hey Jude - Beatles
7. Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
10. Light My Fire - Doors
11. She Loves You - Beatles
12. You Really Got Me - Kinks
13. In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
15. Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix
17. Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - James Brown
18. Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin
22. Proud Mary - Creedence Clearwater Revival
23. Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding
24. When A Man Loves A Woman - Percy Sledge
25. I Want To Hold Your Hand - Beatles
27. House Of The Rising Sun - Animals
29. Be My Baby - Ronettes
30. Where Did Our Love Go - Supremes
32. I Saw Her Standing There - Beatles
33. Green Onions - Booker T. & the MGs
35. I Want You Back - Jackson 5
36. Soul Man - Sam & Dave
37. I Get Around - Beach Boys
39. Gimme Some Lovin' - Spencer Davis Group
40. Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations
41. Dancing In The Street - Martha & the Vandellas
42. Mony Mony - Tommy James & the Shondells
45. Oh, Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 5:48:45 PM6/11/13
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In article <P1Mtt.304$Pn4...@newsfe28.iad>, really real
Huh? You can't just say something so counter-intuitive without an
explanation.
> while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
Little Richard famously gave up r'n'r in the late 50s because he called
it "the devil's music." I think he was there before the Stones.
explanation.
> while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
it "the devil's music." I think he was there before the Stones.
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 5:50:16 PM6/11/13
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In article
<6bcaba4d-79b6-44c7...@9g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, The
music.
<6bcaba4d-79b6-44c7...@9g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, The
Bloomfield Buddy <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
> >
> > > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> > > the McPhatter Drifters.
> >
> > Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> > That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> they sing.
Exactly. Which is why some Ray Charles and some James Brown are soul
> On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
> >
> > > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> > > the McPhatter Drifters.
> >
> > Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> > That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> they sing.
music.
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The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 5:53:53 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:50 pm, Mark Dintenfass <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> In article
> In article
>
> Exactly. Which is why some Ray Charles and some James Brown are soul
> music.
Which Ray Charles records from the 50s would you term as soul music?
> Exactly. Which is why some Ray Charles and some James Brown are soul
> music.
The Bloomfield Bloviator
Jun 11, 2013, 6:00:37 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 5:50 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Just for starters, your insistence that "Dock of the Bay," "House of the
> Rising Sun" and "Respect" have trivial lyrics shows how oblivious you
> are.
If the lyrics of "House" were important it would have been a hit
before 1964. It was the way that Burdon sang it and the arrangement
that made it a hit. Nobody cares about the words.
What you want, baby I got it
What you need, you know I got it
All I'm asking is for a little respect
I ain't gonna do you wrong, while you're gone
I ain't gonna do you wrong, cause I don't wanna
All I'm asking is for a little respect when you come home
I'm about to give you all my money
And all I'm asking is for the time honey
and my propers when you get home
just a little bit
just a little bit
You consider thsoe to be significant lyrics?
>
> Just for starters, your insistence that "Dock of the Bay," "House of the
> Rising Sun" and "Respect" have trivial lyrics shows how oblivious you
> are.
If the lyrics of "House" were important it would have been a hit
before 1964. It was the way that Burdon sang it and the arrangement
that made it a hit. Nobody cares about the words.
What you want, baby I got it
What you need, you know I got it
All I'm asking is for a little respect
I ain't gonna do you wrong, while you're gone
I ain't gonna do you wrong, cause I don't wanna
All I'm asking is for a little respect when you come home
I'm about to give you all my money
And all I'm asking is for the time honey
and my propers when you get home
just a little bit
just a little bit
You consider thsoe to be significant lyrics?
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 6:08:05 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 6:03 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> songs having significant lyrics.
>
> So, given that you always brag about your indifference to lyrics, this
> suggests you fail to properly appreciate half of the decade's biggest
> songs. Some reliable expert you are.
There's no set way to "properly" appreciate songs. That's just more of
your pompousness showing through. Different people like different
types of music for different reasons.
> poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > Just from the top 50, all of these have trivial lyrics. On "Proud
> > > Mary" you could not even come close to deciphering what he was
> > > singing. Nobody knew the words until the Ike & Tina version.
>
> > > Just from the top 50, all of these have trivial lyrics. On "Proud
> > > Mary" you could not even come close to deciphering what he was
> > > singing. Nobody knew the words until the Ike & Tina version.
>
> > Just for starters, your insistence that "Dock of the Bay," "House of the
> > Rising Sun" and "Respect" have trivial lyrics shows how oblivious you
> > are.
>
> Take out my objections, and that leaves exactly half of your top 50
> > Rising Sun" and "Respect" have trivial lyrics shows how oblivious you
> > are.
>
> songs having significant lyrics.
>
> So, given that you always brag about your indifference to lyrics, this
> suggests you fail to properly appreciate half of the decade's biggest
> songs. Some reliable expert you are.
There's no set way to "properly" appreciate songs. That's just more of
your pompousness showing through. Different people like different
types of music for different reasons.
Martin Grossman
Jun 11, 2013, 6:16:57 PM6/11/13
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one African-American grandparent. Glib stereotypes are about all you
have to offer--except lists.
--
Martin Grossman
www.martingrossman.net
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 6:21:50 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, Martin Grossman <martingross...@mindspring.com>
Just consider me the Lisa Lampanelli of the group.
Martin Grossman
Jun 11, 2013, 7:09:42 PM6/11/13
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messaging and is best understood in a cultural context, not a strictly
music biz one.
--
Martin Grossman
www.martingrossman.net
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 7:17:26 PM6/11/13
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:55:15 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
Louie Louie?
>
>> > There's
>> > a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
>> > there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
>>
>> I'm not so sure. Little Richard is still basically in the Oh My Papa
>> groove, while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
>
>The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
>as several Little Richard records.
Debatable....but what's the use?
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>>
>> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
>> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>>
>> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
>> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
>And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
>My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
>been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
>they sing.
"Respect" was never about the lyrics? Huh, who knew?
>On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>>
>> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
>> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>>
>> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
>> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
>And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
>My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
>been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
>they sing.
>.
>
>> Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
>> instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
>> happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
>> roll
>
>
>> Because you are deaf to lyrics, and music to you just seems like
>> instrumentals with slogans shouted, you will never understand what
>> happened in the 60s. It's like trying to tell as stranger about rock 'n'
>> roll
>
>The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
>Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
Then why was everybody trying so hard to figure out the lyrics to
>Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
Louie Louie?
>
>> > There's
>> > a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
>> > there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
>>
>> I'm not so sure. Little Richard is still basically in the Oh My Papa
>
>The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
>as several Little Richard records.
Debatable....but what's the use?
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 7:19:08 PM6/11/13
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 7:25:09 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 7:17 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:55:15 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:55:15 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>
> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>
> >> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> >> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>
> >> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> >> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> >And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> >My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> >been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> >they sing.
>
> "Respect" was never about the lyrics? Huh, who knew?
If it was about the lyrics the Otis redding version would have been
> >On Jun 11, 4:48 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >> Yeah,, awful songs like Spanish Harlem
>
> >> > Good song, but not NEAR as good as "Money Honey" and "Honey Love" by
> >> > the McPhatter Drifters.
>
> >> Spanish Harlem is much more poetic than Money Honey or Honey Love.
> >> That's why Aretha took to it so well.
>
> >And why did she take to "My Song" and "Pledging My Love" and "Drown In
> >My Own Tears" so well? Aretha and soul music in general has never
> >been about lyrics. It's about the deep emotion that they convey when
> >they sing.
>
> "Respect" was never about the lyrics? Huh, who knew?
the huge hit in 1965 instead of waiting for Aretha's version two years
later.
> >The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> >Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Then why was everybody trying so hard to figure out the lyrics to
> Louie Louie?
after a couple months and the song has been one of the biggest
classics of the 60s from 50 years now.
> >The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
> >as several Little Richard records.
>
> Debatable....but what's the use?
with LITTLE RICHARD in 1963, that seemed like the top of the world for
us. That's as big a thrill as I've ever had. The most exciting moment
of my life was appearing on the same stage as Little Richard.
Mick Jagger - I had heard so much about the audience reaction that I
thought there must be some exaggeration. But it was all true. He drove
the whole house into a complete frenzy. There's no single phrase to
describe his hold on the audience. I couldn't believe the power of
Little Richard on stage. He was amazing. Chuck Berry is my favorite,
along with Bo (Diddley), but nobody could beat Little Richard's stage
act. Little Richard is the originator and my first idol.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 7:31:28 PM6/11/13
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Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 7:32:34 PM6/11/13
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:51:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 12:33 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 6/11/2013 7:33 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>> >> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >>>>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
>> >>>>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>>
>> >>>> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
>> >>>> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>>
>> >>> Steamboat - Drifters
>>
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>>
>> >> Day-O (The Banana Boat Song) - Harry Belafonte (I think he's a man of
>> >> color -- wanna check on that for me BB?)
>>
>> >Not only was Harry's father white, but he fails to mention the word
>> >"boat" in his Day-O song.
>>
>> The boat is an implied image.
>
>You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
>word boat.
>
>
Why not? There was clearly a boat there whether it's mentioned or not.
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 12:33 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On 6/11/2013 7:33 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>> >> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >>>>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
>> >>>>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>>
>> >>>> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
>> >>>> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>>
>> >>> Steamboat - Drifters
>>
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>>
>> >> Day-O (The Banana Boat Song) - Harry Belafonte (I think he's a man of
>> >> color -- wanna check on that for me BB?)
>>
>> >Not only was Harry's father white, but he fails to mention the word
>> >"boat" in his Day-O song.
>>
>> The boat is an implied image.
>
>You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
>word boat.
>
>
Why not? There was clearly a boat there whether it's mentioned or not.
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The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 7:39:22 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 7:31 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:45:59 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>
>
>
>
>
> <mdintenf...@xxnew.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:45:59 -0500, Mark Dintenfass
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article
> ><207ea5c2-5d62-4717-83a5-e2be97b66...@c3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, The
The statement was....
"I think James Brown's early records were soul."
I posted links to 6 songs that all came out before "Try Me" and none
of them are even remotely close to soul.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 7:41:56 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 7:32 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:51:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:51:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>
>
>
>
>
> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 11, 12:33 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On 6/11/2013 7:33 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
> >> >> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> >> >>>>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> >> >>>> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> >> >>>> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>
> >> >>> Steamboat - Drifters
>
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>
> >> >> Day-O (The Banana Boat Song) - Harry Belafonte (I think he's a man of
> >> >> color -- wanna check on that for me BB?)
>
> >> >Not only was Harry's father white, but he fails to mention the word
> >> >"boat" in his Day-O song.
>
> >> The boat is an implied image.
>
> >You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
> >word boat.
>
> Why not? There was clearly a boat there whether it's mentioned or not.
Here's the lyrics. Unless you know the subtitle (The Banana Boat Song)
> >On Jun 11, 12:33 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:45:29 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On 6/11/2013 7:33 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
> >> >> <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> On Jun 11, 9:47 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I see you have cars and trains but no boats/ships or planes. You also
> >> >>>>> have yesterday and tomorrow but no today.
>
> >> >>>> Boat has enough songs, but only a few great ones - When My Dreamboat
> >> >>>> Comes Home, and Shrimp Boat's Are a Coming.
>
> >> >>> Steamboat - Drifters
>
> >> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uGkrBRkJ78
>
> >> >> Day-O (The Banana Boat Song) - Harry Belafonte (I think he's a man of
> >> >> color -- wanna check on that for me BB?)
>
> >> >Not only was Harry's father white, but he fails to mention the word
> >> >"boat" in his Day-O song.
>
> >> The boat is an implied image.
>
> >You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
> >word boat.
>
> Why not? There was clearly a boat there whether it's mentioned or not.
how would you think that there was a boat involved?
Day O, day O
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Day, me say day, me say day, me say day
Me say day, me say day O
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Work all night on a drink of rum
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Stack banana till the mornin' come
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Come, Mister Tally Man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Come, Mister Tally Man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Lift six foot, seven foot, eight foot bunch
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Six foot, seven foot, eight foot bunch
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Day, me say day O
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
Day, me say day, me say day
Me say day, me say day, me say day
(Daylight come and me wan' go home)
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 7:45:25 PM6/11/13
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>
> The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
not the best songs of the 60s.. Strawberry Fields Forever, Waterloo
Sunset, Paint it Black, Like a Rolling Stone.....there are the
motherlode of the 60s.
>
> The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
> as several Little Richard records.
>
Neither did the Beatles. Neither did anyone. Little Richard is the King
> The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
> as several Little Richard records.
>
of Rock 'n' Roll. No argument there.
I suspect Little Richard's legacy would be much more appreciated if he
weren't alive today, sort of making a fool of himself.
The Bloomfield Buddy
Jun 11, 2013, 7:48:43 PM6/11/13
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On Jun 11, 7:45 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Fun songs but except for Wooly Bully, which is quite poetic, these were
> not the best songs of the 60s.. Strawberry Fields Forever, Waterloo
> Sunset, Paint it Black, Like a Rolling Stone.....there are the
> motherlode of the 60s.
The four songs I mentioned were much more popular cumulatively than
> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>
> Fun songs but except for Wooly Bully, which is quite poetic, these were
> not the best songs of the 60s.. Strawberry Fields Forever, Waterloo
> Sunset, Paint it Black, Like a Rolling Stone.....there are the
> motherlode of the 60s.
the 4 songs you mentioned. "Waterloo Sunset" did not even crack the
top 100 in the USA.
> > The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
> > as several Little Richard records.
>
> Neither did the Beatles. Neither did anyone. Little Richard is the King
> of Rock 'n' Roll. No argument there.
>
> I suspect Little Richard's legacy would be much more appreciated if he
> weren't alive today, sort of making a fool of himself.
like a fool when he's on interview shows, and when he used to be on
Hollywood Squares, yeah.
Weekes, Ron
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Ron Ji
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 7:59:22 PM6/11/13
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>
> Here's some songs that the people in this group just named among the
> greatest of the decade:
>
> 19) All Day And All Of The Night - Kinks
> 16) Dancing In The Street - Martha & the Vandellas
> 11) Soul Man - Sam & Dave
> 10) I Get Around - Beach Boys
> 09) Bring It On Home To Me - Sam Cooke
> 08) In The Midnight Hour - Wilson Pickett
> 05) You Really Got Me - Kinks
>
> Do any of them have deep lyrics?
Dancing in the Street has very good lyrics
Bring it On Home to Me and In the Midnight Hour verge on poetry
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 8:04:52 PM6/11/13
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In article
<47a38eef-e8c9-4294...@10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, The
They called the 6-CD compilation of his Atlantic recordings "The Birth
of Soul." I agree. Seems to me that if you think they were wrong, the
burden of proof is on you, not me.
<47a38eef-e8c9-4294...@10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, The
of Soul." I agree. Seems to me that if you think they were wrong, the
burden of proof is on you, not me.
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 8:08:16 PM6/11/13
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In article
<dcba900c-f361-42ad...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, The
Since this started with your claim is that there were NO soul records
before mid-1959, you can be refuted by the existence of just one. So,
is "Please, Please, Please," a soul record or not?
<dcba900c-f361-42ad...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, The
before mid-1959, you can be refuted by the existence of just one. So,
is "Please, Please, Please," a soul record or not?
Mark Dintenfass
Jun 11, 2013, 8:08:41 PM6/11/13
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really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:12:40 PM6/11/13
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>
> Mick Jagger - I had heard so much about the audience reaction that I
> thought there must be some exaggeration. But it was all true. He drove
> the whole house into a complete frenzy. There's no single phrase to
> describe his hold on the audience. I couldn't believe the power of
> Little Richard on stage. He was amazing. Chuck Berry is my favorite,
> along with Bo (Diddley), but nobody could beat Little Richard's stage
> act. Little Richard is the originator and my first idol.
>
But Little Richard's career went downhill, as did all the rock n
rollers. None of them were able to grow and evolve as artists.
Once the Stones started writing their own songs, their music and lyrics
became much more complex. The Beatles, Dylan, and all the other groups
and artists that got better and better - that's what the 60's was all about.
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:15:27 PM6/11/13
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>>>
>>> There's
>>> a much bigger difference between Eddie Fisher and Little Richard than
>>> there is between Little Richard and the Rolling Stones.
>>
>> I'm not so sure. Little Richard is still basically in the Oh My Papa
>> groove,
>
> explanation.
Little Richard may have been the King of Rock n Roll but he was also a
crooner. His somewhat rockin' version of Baby Face isn't hugely
different from Eddie Fisher doing Oh My Papa. Or am I thinking of Eddie
Cantor?
>
>> while the Stones are getting into Sympathy for the Devil.
>
> it "the devil's music." I think he was there before the Stones.
>
It's one thing to sing the devil's music. It's quite another thing to
write Sympathy for the Devil
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:16:55 PM6/11/13
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>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pNPpJ4GzaE
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4sUV6nyDo
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uJMvVvuVgM
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwFajTSYWDM
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1sZNvcN1OU
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL929hoelvw
>>
>>> You conveniently omitted "Please, Please, Please." It's prototypical
>>> soul.
>>
>> As is "Try Me".
>
> James Brown released 10 singles before "Try Me."
>
> The statement was....
>
> "I think James Brown's early records were soul."
>
> It wasn't "I think a couple of James Brown's early records were soul."
>
> I posted links to 6 songs that all came out before "Try Me" and none
> of them are even remotely close to soul.
>
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:17:34 PM6/11/13
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>>>
>>> The boat is an implied image.
>>
>> You can't use a song on a Boat song playlist if they never say the
>> word boat.
>>
>>
> Why not? There was clearly a boat there whether it's mentioned or not.
>
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:18:49 PM6/11/13
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>>
>>> Are you Jewish?
>>
>> Are you black?
>
> Only 25%
>
> So, are you Jewish?
>
>
>
really real
Jun 11, 2013, 8:19:48 PM6/11/13
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On 6/11/2013 1:57 PM, poisoned rose wrote:
>> can yield some of the best songs.
>
> Yes, a list of top "THE" songs would be absolutely spectacular.
> But...where's the resonant thematic thrust?
>
Your inability to understand how good my comps are is parallel to
Bloomfield Buddy's inability to appreciate lyrics.
> really real <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>> I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
>>> compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
>>> start.
>>
>> No, one mustn't judge a comp by it's [sic] theme word. The most banal of words
>
>>> I can't "believe" some of the banal, everyday words you've bothered to
>>> compile. About half of those lists are inevitably flavorless from the
>>> start.
>>
>> can yield some of the best songs.
>
> Yes, a list of top "THE" songs would be absolutely spectacular.
> But...where's the resonant thematic thrust?
>
Your inability to understand how good my comps are is parallel to
Bloomfield Buddy's inability to appreciate lyrics.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 8:38:11 PM6/11/13
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of months.
>
>> >The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
>> >as several Little Richard records.
>>
>> Debatable....but what's the use?
>
>Keith Richards - The first time we realized we were on the same stage
>with LITTLE RICHARD in 1963, that seemed like the top of the world for
>us. That's as big a thrill as I've ever had. The most exciting moment
>of my life was appearing on the same stage as Little Richard.
>
>Mick Jagger - I had heard so much about the audience reaction that I
>thought there must be some exaggeration. But it was all true. He drove
>the whole house into a complete frenzy. There's no single phrase to
>describe his hold on the audience. I couldn't believe the power of
>Little Richard on stage. He was amazing. Chuck Berry is my favorite,
>along with Bo (Diddley), but nobody could beat Little Richard's stage
>act. Little Richard is the originator and my first idol.
So where's the debate? All this proves is that in 1963 the Stones
>> >The Stones never made even one song that rocked anywhere near as hard
>> >as several Little Richard records.
>>
>> Debatable....but what's the use?
>
>Keith Richards - The first time we realized we were on the same stage
>with LITTLE RICHARD in 1963, that seemed like the top of the world for
>us. That's as big a thrill as I've ever had. The most exciting moment
>of my life was appearing on the same stage as Little Richard.
>
>Mick Jagger - I had heard so much about the audience reaction that I
>thought there must be some exaggeration. But it was all true. He drove
>the whole house into a complete frenzy. There's no single phrase to
>describe his hold on the audience. I couldn't believe the power of
>Little Richard on stage. He was amazing. Chuck Berry is my favorite,
>along with Bo (Diddley), but nobody could beat Little Richard's stage
>act. Little Richard is the originator and my first idol.
really liked Little Richard. What it doesn't prove that the Stones
never did one song that rocked as hard as any Little Richard record.
People surpass the success of their idols quite frequently.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 8:40:25 PM6/11/13
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:48:43 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 7:45 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
>> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>>
>> Fun songs but except for Wooly Bully, which is quite poetic, these were
>> not the best songs of the 60s.. Strawberry Fields Forever, Waterloo
>> Sunset, Paint it Black, Like a Rolling Stone.....there are the
>> motherlode of the 60s.
>
>The four songs I mentioned were much more popular cumulatively than
>the 4 songs you mentioned. "Waterloo Sunset" did not even crack the
>top 100 in the USA.
Hmmm....and I thought you were talking about "best" songs, not "most
<Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 11, 7:45 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> > The best 60s songs have little to do with lyrics or poetry (Wooly
>> > Bully, Louie Louie, Hanky Panky, She Loves You, etc...)
>>
>> Fun songs but except for Wooly Bully, which is quite poetic, these were
>> not the best songs of the 60s.. Strawberry Fields Forever, Waterloo
>> Sunset, Paint it Black, Like a Rolling Stone.....there are the
>> motherlode of the 60s.
>
>The four songs I mentioned were much more popular cumulatively than
>the 4 songs you mentioned. "Waterloo Sunset" did not even crack the
>top 100 in the USA.
popular" songs. My mistake.
Just Kidding
Jun 11, 2013, 8:47:02 PM6/11/13
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that Please Please Please was "prototypical soul music." It came out
before 1959. I suggested that "Try Me" could be considered soul music,
and it also came out before 1959. They were both early James Brown
records (even if not the earliest, which is a parameter you set and
which has nothing to do with whether they came out before mid-1959).
So what exactly is your point, if you have one?
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