Underrated albums
ghost_of_e...@my-deja.com
funniest, the most perverse - and so on. But what about the most
underrated album? My favourite for the title is the brilliant,
evocative "Planet waves". Together with "Blood on the tracks"
and "Desire" it certainly is one of the best albums of the 70s. The
highlights include "Going, going, gone", "Tough mama" and "Dirge".
Other bids for the title?
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Tobias Levander
I´m weird.)
"Hard Rain"
"Street Legal"
"Shot of Love"
"Under the Red Sky" (See my comment to PG&BTK above)
"Good As I Been To You"
"World Gone Wrong"
/Tobias.
ghost_of_e...@my-deja.com
I would like to see them (or at least hear from them). Together
with "Live 1966", "Hard rain" is the best live album ever!! And I think
that "Rock of ages" comes in third...
But I agree when it comes to "Shot of love". Great, rocking album,
sadly underrated.
"Street-legal"? Underrated? Well, if that is the case, it deserves
better...
In article <0857a06f...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
Stöbi
>tons of what so-called 'rock journalists' have written about
>Dylan, and I have still not seen one of them raving about "Hard
>Rain".
Paul Williams loves it, if my mem'ry serves me well.
tobias
Tobias Levander
<t.elsasse...@mendelin.ch.invalid> wrote:
> BTW, I have read
>>tons of what so-called 'rock journalists' have written about
>>Dylan, and I have still not seen one of them raving about "Hard
>>Rain".
>
>
>Paul Williams loves it, if my mem'ry serves me well.
>tobias
>
You are absolutely right, Williams devotes several pages of the
second volume of his "Performing Artist" series to "Hard Rain".
But Williams is too intelligent to be labeled 'rock journalist'.
/Tobias.
Anthony Frazer
and now, King Weirdo. I love this album.
Darrin Davis
It's always been one of my favourites, and the one I can handle being in my
player for the most consecutive plays.
Going, Going, Gone is a KILLER, and Dirge, OH!!!
WOO!!!!!!!!
Cheers,
Dare
Tobias Levander
ghost_of_e...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Is "Hard Rain" underrated? Who the dell doesn't appreciate that
album?
>I would like to see them (or at least hear from them). Together
>with "Live 1966", "Hard rain" is the best live album ever!! And
I think
>that "Rock of ages" comes in third...
I agree, and "Hard Rain" is perhaps not underrated among
hardcore Dylan fans, but I have talked to several more casual
Dylan fans, who fails to appreciate this album. This also
applies to "Street Legal", for some reason. BTW, I have read
tons of what so-called 'rock journalists' have written about
Dylan, and I have still not seen one of them raving about "Hard
Rain".
/Tobias.
Brandon Zwagerman
Father of Night", etc. I'll admit I am not much for "Winterlude" or "If Dogs
Rune Free" though. Self-Portrait really isn't that bad either. Apart from
the 1st track, I find it completely listenable, and love that "duet" on "The
Boxer". And Yeah, Street-Legal is good too-- "No Time to Think," "Is Your
Love in Vain," "Senor," "Where Are You Tonight?"
<ghost_of_e...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> There's been a lot of talk about the best Dylan albums, the worst, the
> funniest, the most perverse - and so on. But what about the most
> underrated album? My favourite for the title is the brilliant,
> evocative "Planet waves". Together with "Blood on the tracks"
> and "Desire" it certainly is one of the best albums of the 70s. The
> highlights include "Going, going, gone", "Tough mama" and "Dirge".
> Other bids for the title?
>
>
Mary
lyrics, the breathtaking vocals, the amazing instrumental work,
the...
Aw, hell, it sucked and even I know that.
Hipster Soup
Don Carpenter
Brandon Zwagerman
"TD" <tj...@spam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Anyone for 'Bob Dylan'? I find the question difficult because I'm not sure
> what is underrated. You can even find people who claim to dislike JWH.
>
>
TD
Tina
It has a special place in my heart, the first Dylan album I bought. It took
me a night and about five drinks to love it.
"Brandon Zwagerman" <brand...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, "Bob Dylan" is excellent-- furious harmonica work in there
>
> "TD" <tj...@spam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Russ Fox
UNDER THE RED SKY
--
Russ Fox
http://www.foxy99.freeserve.co.uk
"I Got a headfull of ideas,
and it's driving me insane"
- B. Dylan
gondola bob <gon...@deltanet.com> wrote in message
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> ghost_of_e...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > There's been a lot of talk about the best Dylan albums, the worst, the
> > funniest, the most perverse - and so on. But what about the most
> > underrated album?
>
> Yes, there's been a lot of talk about that, too. ;)
>
> GB
WhoMe
>
>UNDER THE RED SKY
I've never known anyone who misunderstood it. Know plenty who think it's a
dog...
Bill
"It will destroy your family, your happy home is gone
No one can protect you from it once you turn it on."
-- Bob Dylan
T.V. Talkin' Song
nates
>
> >Or the most misunderstood album?
> >
> >UNDER THE RED SKY
>
> I've never known anyone who misunderstood it. Know plenty who think it's a
> dog...
>
> Bill
like the dyslexic agnostic insomniac?
- nate
christopher m coyle
Yesterday I was listening to that album constantly. In fact I even put it in
the car to listen to. I have listened to it before but not quite as much as
this. It's kind of one of those albums that gets lost in the shuffle, but if
you're in that odd Dylan country-esque mood it works well. However thought
All the Tired Horses still blows my mind, I'm still trying to figure that one
out, any insight? I was reading the list the other day , catching up on some
posts and someone had written something like, oh get them a complimentary copy
of Self Portrait, as a laugh about getting someone to listen to Dylan if my
memory serves me well. Well, I had a hearty laugh and then felt the need to
put it in while I toiled away on the computer. Days of 49, Early Morning
Rain, are really great, and Copper Kettle makes me laugh every time, ya gotta
love it when he says about using any "green or rotten wood", I'm laughing
right now. Sure it's an odd album but it does have its place, you know we'd
complain for it to be released if it wasn't anyways so. And come on, Quinn is
great anyways. It seems that most people live in the closet about this
album. Come on is it that bad, it's still Dylan, just not exemplifying his
best work.
Can you really admit that you don't love some of the lines and even find an
odd secret joy in some of the songs? It's definitely a mood setting album.
Always makes me picture myself up in the Catskills livin' that up mountain
country life. Also always leaves me with a feeling for sitting back, smokin'
a cigarette or cigar, and listening to it, only problem I always have this
funny feeling afterwards that I need to get get me a copper kettle and a
copper coil, especially since I don't have to pay that pesky whiskey tax
anymore, hehe.
Chris
Russ Fox wrote:
> Or the most misunderstood album?
>
> UNDER THE RED SKY
>
--
“Yes, to dance beneath the diamond
sky with one hand waving free...”
-Bob Dylan “Mr. Tambourine Man”
Brandon Zwagerman
willie9037
it has its place--for me it is the choice for late night on the
highway after everyone but me and maybe one other person who
understands has gone to sleep. For that moment, it's perfect.
Scott Rex
: I agree, and you said it very well. You make a key point that
: it has its place--for me it is the choice for late night on the
: highway after everyone but me and maybe one other person who
: understands has gone to sleep. For that moment, it's perfect.
What a brilliant post! You are right - it has its place. Every Dylan song
and album has its place. I always thought "If You See Her Say Hello" was
a good song. Then one night after a tough breakup I put it on, and it
destroyed me. It was as if Dylan was singing just to me. If you wait
long enough, you'll find a time and place for all his songs. That's what
makes him a genius.
willie9037
have always been fascinated by the fact, that Bob has indeed put
out quite a bit of, shall we say, less than perfect material. I
will not list painful examples, but there obviously been times
when our man just picked a word that rhymed. I think it was
Ingmar Bergman who said that a truly beautiful woman will be
ugly at certain times. Maybe a great songwriter has to be
clumsy now and then, and I agree with you that there's no need
to defend Bob's worst. But the other point remains true, that
lots of Bob's songs can surprise you with their quality if they
hit you at the right moment.
Don Carpenter
me, but I think the you're the one who doesn't "get" him. Has he put out more
garbage than Madonna, Prince, The Rolling Stones, Queen? Hey, all of those
people/groups had superb hits, but they had a lot of garbage, too, and considering
the length of time they've been around and the amount of songs they've released,
it's my opinion that they and other "popular" artists have spewed out more garbage
than Dylan in a shorter period of time. The Stones, of course, have been around
for quite awhile, but how many of their songs even come close to the brilliance of
Dylan's? You can't be serious.
BobbyD1947 wrote:
> << You are right - it has its place. Every Dylan song
> and album has its place. >>>
>
> In the case of Self-Portrait, New Morning, and Dylan, among others, it's a
> landfill.
>
> <<<I always thought "If You See Her Say Hello" was
> a good song. Then one night after a tough breakup I put it on, and it
> destroyed me. It was as if Dylan was singing just to me. If you wait
> long enough, you'll find a time and place for all his songs. That's what
> makes him a genius.
> >>
>
> Bullshit. This statement reeks of cultism. Geniuses rarely display consistancy.
> Anyone who would make a claim like this about Dylan's music doesn't "get" him
> any more than those that say he's a great writer but a lousy singer. Dylan has
> created some of the greatest music in the history of western civilization. He's
> also put out more sheer garbage than any other major popular musician.
>
> And you know what? I bet the man himself would agree with me on this one.
>
> Robert D.
>
> "Swallow your pride...you will not die, it's not poison"
BobbyD1947
Tom Zebrowski
sheer garbage than any other SERIOUS popular musician." And I don't
know where Madonna fits with the Rolling Stones and Dylan. Since when
did Madonna become a musician? Last I heard, she was a marketer.
Olompali4
>Dylan has
>created some of the greatest music in the history of western civilization.
>He's
That onus belongs to Elvis Aron Presley.
a man who basically threw it all away
Kenneth Wilson
> In the case of Self-Portrait, New Morning, and Dylan, among others, it's a
> landfill.
> Dylan has
> created some of the greatest music in the history of western civilization.
He's
......
> Anyone who would make a claim like this about Dylan's music doesn't "get"
him
Speaking of cultism, I'd say later generations will have to decide if his
music is some of the best in Western history. In any case, a record isn't
necessarily either great or garbage, and I think anyone who doesn't "get"
New Morning doesn't entirely "get" Bob Dylan yet. Which isn't surprising, he
has such varied taste. I can't remember the interview but he himself said a
couple of years ago that he wouldn't think his old fans would have stayed
with him.
Ken
Glynne Walley
> >consistancy.
>him
>has
>created some of the greatest music in the history of western civilization.
>He's
>also put out more sheer garbage than any other major popular musician.
You're wrong. There are several artists who have put out more sheer garbage
than Dylan. In fact, by my count Bob only ranks fourth on the SGM (Sheer
Garbage-o-Meter), behind Neil Diamond, Roger Whittaker, and Michael Bolton
(the latter has far fewer albums out than Bob, but he has managed to master
the trick of compressing and condensing his garbage, so that each album
counts for something like five time its weight in crap). And it's a distant
fourth, too.
Seriously, I find myself slightly annoyed with people who come to this
newsgroup seemingly determined _not_ to like Bob too much. I'm all for
objectivity and honesty and rationality, but holy bronze idols, Batman,
we're fans of the man. You're on a Bob Dylan newsgroup--if you're surprised
and offended by someone praising the man too much, you've only yourself to
blame. It's like going to a Trekkie convention and being disgusted that
everybody wears funny costumes: it means you either went to the convention
knowing nothing about Star Trek or you went with the intent to make fun of
the people there. Either way you're the problem.
>And you know what? I bet the man himself would agree with me on this one.
But so what? He'd be agreeing with you out of humility.
Glynne
np: Heart: mix
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BobbyD1947
than Dylan. But they've never come close to reaching his heights, either.
dec1(snip):<< He's put out "more sheer garbage than any other major popular
musician"? Excuse
me, but I think the you're the one who doesn't "get" him. Has he put out more
garbage than Madonna, Prince, The Rolling Stones, Queen? Hey, all of those
people/groups had superb hits, but they had a lot of garbage, too, and
considering
the length of time they've been around and the amount of songs they've
released,
it's my opinion that they and other "popular" artists have spewed out more
garbage
than Dylan in a shorter period of time. The Stones, of course, have been
around
for quite awhile, but how many of their songs even come close to the brilliance
of
Dylan's? You can't be serious.
>>
Robert D.
BobbyD1947
he did before and after his poorly concieved acting career was high quality.
olompali (snip):<<
That onus belongs to Elvis Aron Presley.
a man who basically threw it all away
>>
Robert D.
BobbyD1947
a large amount of quality music over the years. Sheesh...using your criteria N
Sync will have them all beat on the garbage meter after their next album...
oldbollweevil (snip):
<< There are several artists who have put out more sheer garbage
than Dylan. In fact, by my count Bob only ranks fourth on the SGM (Sheer
Garbage-o-Meter), behind Neil Diamond, Roger Whittaker, and Michael Bolton >>
Robert D.
robertandrews
Dear Fans,
Out of concern for the environment I am donating all vinyl, cassettes & CD's
of "Dylan" to the new Malibu Colony landfill. This will allow increased
development of luxury condos & also give me a sizable tax write-off. I only
ask that the other serious popular musicians respond in kind. May I suggest
"Satanic Majesties" by the Strollin' Berrymen, "It's Hard" by the Mockers &
"Back to the Egg" by Lord McCatney. Through the ether I've summoned up the
great Pelvis, who has assured me that all copies of "Clambake" can be justly
buried in the earth.
Your icon,
ZimBobby
Pete Oppel
bobby...@aol.com writes:
<< practically everything
he did before and after his poorly concieved acting career was high quality.
>>
I saw Presley live for the first time in early 1956. It was one of the most
mesmerizing, life altering events of my existence. I saw him again less then
a year before he died. I cried, it was so bad. He acted as though he didn't
even care about putting on a good show.
Don Carpenter
disturbing to see. I watched a concert special in 1996 that was taped in 1976,
the year before his death, and I actually had to turn it off because I couldn't
stand to see this man who was once so energetic, talented and electrifying on
stage sitting at a piano looking fat and bloated, sweating like a pig and
struggling to catch his breath as he sang. He was only about 40 years old. A
senseless and tragic loss. He had so many people around him who were supposed to
be caring for him, but nobody seemed to be able to prevent his decline.
I pray this never happens to Dylan. I hope he has better people watching out for
him. But I also think he's much more in control of his life than Elvis ever
was. Elvis succumbed to the fast life. Dylan may have been a little reckless in
his younger days, but it seems he has mellowed more over the years and is taking
better care of himself. Or maybe he's not, but for a guy who's going on 59 years
old, he's doing one hell of a great job.
Mark Kellett
D's 'landfill' anymore, please email me to let me know and
i will pay you postage to mail it to me, thanks mark.
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