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Janice
Feb 24, 2012, 3:11:52 PM2/24/12
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After seeing the movie The Descendants, which takes place in Hawaii,
and is the first ever mainstream American movie scored exclusively
with Hawaiian music, I started thinking about the function of
soundtracks -- in movies and in life.
I've always thought the soundtrack of my life was the music I
consciously chose to listen to at any given time, but then I realized
that music consciously choosen is not actually a soundtrack. A
soundtrack is a background accompaniment to the story being told --
background, not foreground, unconscious hearing rather than conscious
listening.
During the years I lived in Hawaii, I chose to listen to my preferred
music, which could range from Van Morrison to Janis Ian to Keola
Beamer and beyond... but the music actually soundtracking my life was
the constant presence of Hawaiian music. Whether it was the radio,
the guy playing the ukulele while waiting for the bus, TV commercials,
elevator or mall music, or parties -- Hawaiian music was a consistent
background of subliminal sound, like the tradewinds, and rain, and the
ocean.
If you've seen The Descendants, you might realize this background
presence of the soundtrack as it truly exists in real life, especially
if you are unfamiliar with Hawaiian music -- it really doesn't seem to
have any obvious or logical tie-in to the action or story of the movie
(except perhaps for one song toward the end).
Hawaiian music is both full of joy and acute sorrow all at the same
time. It is the musical equivalent of the word Aloha, which in
Hawaiian means 'Hello,' 'Goodbye,' and 'I love you,' -- the three
most powerful relational moments in any life. The soundtrack of this
movie creates a quiet backdrop where truly comedic moments are made
more profound by a soft sorrow, and truly sorrowful moments are made
more acceptable by a loving and joyful sweetness.
I was reminded that this was also soundtrack of my life for many many
years, and was probably largely responsible for my basic attitude and
disposition toward life and my expectations of it.
I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
soundtrack in their lives. I couldn't possibly imagine Bob being my
soundtrack, I don't think it is possible to relegate anything he does
to an unconscious level -- for me his music has always been in-yer-
face... maybe folk or religious music, however, especially if it is
culturally driven and if it sources from childhood and community.
How many American cultures treat music as inseparable from the
business of living?
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The high school Obama graduated from...
Ka Makani Ka'ili Aloha - Punahou Class of 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiMzXnck2w&feature=related
(translation)
I love the
Famous wind of this land
Mine to cherish
The wind named Love-snatcher
Chorus:
My flower, my lei, mine to cherish
My lei that I adore above all others
You are my favorite and precious to me
A lei forever for my body
Beloved is this home
This home so delightful to visitors
Where I stayed many years
With my love that was once snatched by the wind
and is the first ever mainstream American movie scored exclusively
with Hawaiian music, I started thinking about the function of
soundtracks -- in movies and in life.
I've always thought the soundtrack of my life was the music I
consciously chose to listen to at any given time, but then I realized
that music consciously choosen is not actually a soundtrack. A
soundtrack is a background accompaniment to the story being told --
background, not foreground, unconscious hearing rather than conscious
listening.
During the years I lived in Hawaii, I chose to listen to my preferred
music, which could range from Van Morrison to Janis Ian to Keola
Beamer and beyond... but the music actually soundtracking my life was
the constant presence of Hawaiian music. Whether it was the radio,
the guy playing the ukulele while waiting for the bus, TV commercials,
elevator or mall music, or parties -- Hawaiian music was a consistent
background of subliminal sound, like the tradewinds, and rain, and the
ocean.
If you've seen The Descendants, you might realize this background
presence of the soundtrack as it truly exists in real life, especially
if you are unfamiliar with Hawaiian music -- it really doesn't seem to
have any obvious or logical tie-in to the action or story of the movie
(except perhaps for one song toward the end).
Hawaiian music is both full of joy and acute sorrow all at the same
time. It is the musical equivalent of the word Aloha, which in
Hawaiian means 'Hello,' 'Goodbye,' and 'I love you,' -- the three
most powerful relational moments in any life. The soundtrack of this
movie creates a quiet backdrop where truly comedic moments are made
more profound by a soft sorrow, and truly sorrowful moments are made
more acceptable by a loving and joyful sweetness.
I was reminded that this was also soundtrack of my life for many many
years, and was probably largely responsible for my basic attitude and
disposition toward life and my expectations of it.
I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
soundtrack in their lives. I couldn't possibly imagine Bob being my
soundtrack, I don't think it is possible to relegate anything he does
to an unconscious level -- for me his music has always been in-yer-
face... maybe folk or religious music, however, especially if it is
culturally driven and if it sources from childhood and community.
How many American cultures treat music as inseparable from the
business of living?
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The high school Obama graduated from...
Ka Makani Ka'ili Aloha - Punahou Class of 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiMzXnck2w&feature=related
(translation)
I love the
Famous wind of this land
Mine to cherish
The wind named Love-snatcher
Chorus:
My flower, my lei, mine to cherish
My lei that I adore above all others
You are my favorite and precious to me
A lei forever for my body
Beloved is this home
This home so delightful to visitors
Where I stayed many years
With my love that was once snatched by the wind
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treadleson
Feb 24, 2012, 4:31:15 PM2/24/12
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On Feb 24, 3:11 pm, Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com>
wrote:
I have trouble visiting the supermarket and hearing Talking Heads
songs or some other 80s or 90s band playing through the speakers. I
miss the old stuff.
>
> ~`~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The high school Obama graduated from...
> Ka Makani Ka'ili Aloha - Punahou Class of 2005http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiMzXnck2w&feature=related
wrote:
songs or some other 80s or 90s band playing through the speakers. I
miss the old stuff.
>
> ~`~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The high school Obama graduated from...
frinjdwelr
Feb 24, 2012, 5:06:42 PM2/24/12
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"Janice" <janice_...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote in message
news:eb6805c8-9d13-4481...@jn12g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> After seeing the movie The Descendants, which takes place in Hawaii,
> and is the first ever mainstream American movie scored exclusively
> with Hawaiian music, I started thinking about the function of
> soundtracks -- in movies and in life.
>
>
> and is the first ever mainstream American movie scored exclusively
> with Hawaiian music, I started thinking about the function of
> soundtracks -- in movies and in life.
>
>
> If you've seen The Descendants, you might realize this background
> presence of the soundtrack as it truly exists in real life, especially
> if you are unfamiliar with Hawaiian music -- it really doesn't seem to
> have any obvious or logical tie-in to the action or story of the movie
> (except perhaps for one song toward the end).
>
>
>
> presence of the soundtrack as it truly exists in real life, especially
> if you are unfamiliar with Hawaiian music -- it really doesn't seem to
> have any obvious or logical tie-in to the action or story of the movie
> (except perhaps for one song toward the end).
>
>
>
> How many American cultures treat music as inseparable from the
> business of living?
> ~`~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That I'm familiar with...the Hispanic culture in the southwest and some
> business of living?
> ~`~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Indian tribes. I'd guess some Irish communities also.
For me it depends on the time of life. Very different from childhood to
teen years to various stages of adulthood.
To take a different direction...what did you think of the movie? I went
with my ex and my grandson. I think they were expecting something a lot
lighter and were a bit taken aback. I was impressed how bravely it delved
into the subject matter and every character was skillfully drawn.
really real
Feb 24, 2012, 5:36:21 PM2/24/12
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>
> I have trouble visiting the supermarket and hearing Talking Heads
> songs or some other 80s or 90s band playing through the speakers. I
> miss the old stuff.
>
>
vinegar. I asked the guy where it was, and while Talking Heads was
playing Burning Down the House on their radio, he sang to me, Talking
Heads style, "right down over there." It was a nice moment.
That store's radio has great taste in classic rock.
really real
Feb 24, 2012, 5:52:06 PM2/24/12
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>
> I've always disliked having music associated too much with real-life
> experiences. This leads to either wallowing in sentimental nostalgia
> (see: Usenet music forums) or unfairly cringing about good music due to
> attached personal memories that aren't so good.
Alas, I guess this is what happened to the younger generation. For me,
the soundtrack of my life was filled with the newness of rock 'n' roll,
and the way my friends and I kept discovering new music.
Even now though, a lot of songs I hear remind me of earlier times where
I was when this song was playing. An example would be hearing something
that I had played on an earlier road trip, and it would remind me of
that trip.
I have so many great memories of songs I've heard in the past. But of
course, the music was so much better then.
Just Walkin'
Feb 24, 2012, 6:13:41 PM2/24/12
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On Feb 24, 2:11 pm, Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com>
wrote:
> Ka Makani Ka'ili Aloha - Punahou Class of 2005http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiMzXnck2w&feature=related
the film immensely, not the least of which was matching the music to
the moment, something we seemed to experience ourselves in real time
when we were there.
This was music made for life, not for market.
wrote:
>
> (translation)
> I love the
> Famous wind of this land
> Mine to cherish
> The wind named Love-snatcher
> Chorus:
> My flower, my lei, mine to cherish
> My lei that I adore above all others
> You are my favorite and precious to me
> A lei forever for my body
> Beloved is this home
> This home so delightful to visitors
> Where I stayed many years
> With my love that was once snatched by the wind
>
Thanks for your thoughtful reflections on the film, Janice. We enjoyed
> (translation)
> I love the
> Famous wind of this land
> Mine to cherish
> The wind named Love-snatcher
> Chorus:
> My flower, my lei, mine to cherish
> My lei that I adore above all others
> You are my favorite and precious to me
> A lei forever for my body
> Beloved is this home
> This home so delightful to visitors
> Where I stayed many years
> With my love that was once snatched by the wind
>
the film immensely, not the least of which was matching the music to
the moment, something we seemed to experience ourselves in real time
when we were there.
This was music made for life, not for market.
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really real
Feb 24, 2012, 6:44:39 PM2/24/12
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Thanks for reminding me about the soundtrack to The Descendants, which
I've wanted to get ever since going to the movie.
How lucky for you to have lived in Hawaii. From visiting there, I've
come to realize both how Hawaii may be the most special place on earth,
and how wonderful Hawaiian music can be. I've got Hawaiian music on my
carPod and always love it when a song comes up. Some people find
Hawaiian music as silly as Hawaiian shirts, and it's fun when someone
like that is in my car when the Hawaiian music comes on.
I liked the movie, The Descendants, though not as much as some of the
reviewers. It was a good story, well told, something kind of rare in
today's films. And being a fan of Kauai, I was especially interested in
seeing how the island would look on the big screen.
I think the land that was in question, which we see from on top of a big
hill, when Clooney and his family gaze down on it, is the same beautiful
scene that is on the cover of Kauai from the Air. It's not a place that
people have access to. But the beach where Clooney jogged and ran into
his nemesis in the cottage is the very familiar Hanalei Beach. This
curved beach, in the old whaling town of Hanalei, is the most beautiful
walking beach I know, because you see the gorgeous mountains of the
Napili coast as you walk along it. It's the same beach with the pier
that is in South Pacific.
The movie depicted none of the beauty of Hanalei Beach. It did show
Clooney and family in front of their hotel, and then showed them jogging
along the beach. Not so fast, George. To get from the hotel beach to
where he was jogging, he'd have to drive over the one lane bridge and go
through the town first. I think the hotel that was portrayed was the
Marriot at Kalapaki beach.
But good for Clooney and good for the film makers for making such a good
movie about such a wonderful place.
I've wanted to get ever since going to the movie.
How lucky for you to have lived in Hawaii. From visiting there, I've
come to realize both how Hawaii may be the most special place on earth,
and how wonderful Hawaiian music can be. I've got Hawaiian music on my
carPod and always love it when a song comes up. Some people find
Hawaiian music as silly as Hawaiian shirts, and it's fun when someone
like that is in my car when the Hawaiian music comes on.
I liked the movie, The Descendants, though not as much as some of the
reviewers. It was a good story, well told, something kind of rare in
today's films. And being a fan of Kauai, I was especially interested in
seeing how the island would look on the big screen.
I think the land that was in question, which we see from on top of a big
hill, when Clooney and his family gaze down on it, is the same beautiful
scene that is on the cover of Kauai from the Air. It's not a place that
people have access to. But the beach where Clooney jogged and ran into
his nemesis in the cottage is the very familiar Hanalei Beach. This
curved beach, in the old whaling town of Hanalei, is the most beautiful
walking beach I know, because you see the gorgeous mountains of the
Napili coast as you walk along it. It's the same beach with the pier
that is in South Pacific.
The movie depicted none of the beauty of Hanalei Beach. It did show
Clooney and family in front of their hotel, and then showed them jogging
along the beach. Not so fast, George. To get from the hotel beach to
where he was jogging, he'd have to drive over the one lane bridge and go
through the town first. I think the hotel that was portrayed was the
Marriot at Kalapaki beach.
But good for Clooney and good for the film makers for making such a good
movie about such a wonderful place.
really real
Feb 24, 2012, 6:46:51 PM2/24/12
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>>
>> Alas, I guess this is what happened to the younger generation. For me,
>> the soundtrack of my life was filled with the newness of rock 'n' roll,
>> and the way my friends and I kept discovering new music.
>
> music. Ever optimistically ready to be knocked off your feet by a
> talented young phenom.
I've been waiting in vain for a saviour to rise from the streets for the
last couple of decades. The new music of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s was
what we kept discovering. And I don't think the problem is that I just
got old. I think the problem is that I had it too good for those decades.
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marcus
Feb 24, 2012, 8:47:01 PM2/24/12
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Let's face it RR, we were spoiled by greatness.
btw, 1950s NYC area TV commercial jingles(when people still wrote
original music for ads) form the soundtrack of my life. Bonomo's
Turkish Taffy, Castro Convertible, Remember Rem...
marcus
Feb 24, 2012, 8:49:11 PM2/24/12
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Robert Hall's this year"?
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really real
Feb 25, 2012, 1:09:39 AM2/25/12
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>
> And of course, this isn't even the issue at hand. Whether music from
> whatever era is "good" or "bad" is separate from the issue of whether
> one attaches peripheral memories of personal experiences to it. Which is
> what Janice is talking about here.
Don't be so sure. When you are psychedelizing, and the musicians are all
going psychedelic, the times and the music become one.
really real
Feb 25, 2012, 1:10:47 AM2/25/12
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>
> So easy to rationalize simply being too lazy and jaded to be interested
> in music anymore.
>
> It's one thing to say "I just don't have time for music anymore" (fine),
> but it's something else to delude yourself that you still have any sort
> of informed perspective on the subject.
in other words, if we don't like it, we should just go to Russia.
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treadleson
Feb 25, 2012, 2:03:17 AM2/25/12
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On Feb 24, 6:44 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Thanks for reminding me about the soundtrack to The Descendants, which
> I've wanted to get ever since going to the movie.
>
> How lucky for you to have lived in Hawaii.
-=-=
> Thanks for reminding me about the soundtrack to The Descendants, which
> I've wanted to get ever since going to the movie.
>
> How lucky for you to have lived in Hawaii.
> From visiting there, I've
> come to realize both how Hawaii may be the most special place on earth,
Yeah? Well I seriously doubt you visited Molokai.
> come to realize both how Hawaii may be the most special place on earth,
really real
Feb 25, 2012, 8:34:42 AM2/25/12
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>
> If you need drugs to fully enjoy music, that's your handicap. Reminds me
> of the old riddle about sobered-up Deadheads.
Indeed, imagine never listening to drugs when stoned or drunk.
It's easy if you try, I guess.
I suppose, poisoned rose, that you are a purist and only listen to music
when your senses are unaffected by alcohol or marijuana. I guess that's
the best way to be a scholar and make lists. I prefer to listen to music
in the spirit in which it was made
really real
Feb 25, 2012, 8:37:06 AM2/25/12
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>>
>> in other words, if we don't like it, we should just go to Russia.
>
> you do like. Rather than just congratulating yourself for being
> superficially negative.
>
Indeed, we must shape up. Those of us who are stuck listening to the
music from the 50s to the 80s must indeed look harder at the new music
until we find something we like.
Such a stern taskmaster you are, poisoned rose. Is music for you a job,
or do you actually enjoy it?
really real
Feb 25, 2012, 8:39:35 AM2/25/12
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>> From visiting there, I've
>> come to realize both how Hawaii may be the most special place on earth,
>
> Yeah? Well I seriously doubt you visited Molokai.
>
Molokai's biggest beach has sand that is too soft for good walking. It's
a fascinating island, with a desert like half, and a jungle like half.
The towns on it are very laid back and primitive. I don't know if I
would visit it twice, but every Hawaiian tourist should check it out
sometime in their life.
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Janice
Feb 25, 2012, 1:19:43 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 24, 12:56 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
.
> my favorite album of the year just makes me think of a wretched,
> dickhead boss I had at the time. Noooo fun.
. . .
> I mostly grimace to recall the music from #1-#3. And even #4 is tainted
> by certain songs I couldn't stand that everyone else played. (Oh god,
> "Bela Lugosi's Dead" AGAIN?)
Yes, I've gone through a few periods in my life that were so
depressing the music in the background will never be resurrected or
resolved for me, and in fact can still be triggers that catch me off-
guard and reinvent the feeling... not a happy moment. I feel lucky I
had so much Haw'n music to fall back on... apparently it is so
timeless it doesn't stick in any particular time-slot or emotional
groove.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
> Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
> > I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
> > soundtrack in their lives.
.
> > I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
> > soundtrack in their lives.
> I've always disliked having music associated too much with real-life
> experiences. This leads to either wallowing in sentimental nostalgia
> (see: Usenet music forums) or unfairly cringing about good music due to
> attached personal memories that aren't so good. There's one year where
> experiences. This leads to either wallowing in sentimental nostalgia
> (see: Usenet music forums) or unfairly cringing about good music due to
> my favorite album of the year just makes me think of a wretched,
> dickhead boss I had at the time. Noooo fun.
. . .
> I mostly grimace to recall the music from #1-#3. And even #4 is tainted
> by certain songs I couldn't stand that everyone else played. (Oh god,
> "Bela Lugosi's Dead" AGAIN?)
Yes, I've gone through a few periods in my life that were so
depressing the music in the background will never be resurrected or
resolved for me, and in fact can still be triggers that catch me off-
guard and reinvent the feeling... not a happy moment. I feel lucky I
had so much Haw'n music to fall back on... apparently it is so
timeless it doesn't stick in any particular time-slot or emotional
groove.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Janice
Feb 25, 2012, 1:26:13 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 24, 1:31 pm, treadleson <treadl...@aol.com> wrote:
.
I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
that comes with wisdom and age :)
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
> I have trouble visiting the supermarket and hearing Talking Heads
> songs or some other 80s or 90s band playing through the speakers. I
> miss the old stuff.
I miss the old stuff, too... or at least, like Marcus & rr talk about,
> songs or some other 80s or 90s band playing through the speakers. I
> miss the old stuff.
I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
that comes with wisdom and age :)
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
really real
Feb 25, 2012, 2:19:00 PM2/25/12
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faking ....silly, untenable... flip bullshit.
... scrawl.. ridiculous ...predictable, intellectually dishonest...more
flip bullshit.... vapid bore...
You have an interesting pattern of communication, Eric. You seem to be
okay for one or two posts, and then you revert to your usual insults.
There is no one in any newsgroup who likes to read these flaming posts
of yours. Try to learn how to stay on topic for more than one or two
responses in a thread.
... scrawl.. ridiculous ...predictable, intellectually dishonest...more
flip bullshit.... vapid bore...
You have an interesting pattern of communication, Eric. You seem to be
okay for one or two posts, and then you revert to your usual insults.
There is no one in any newsgroup who likes to read these flaming posts
of yours. Try to learn how to stay on topic for more than one or two
responses in a thread.
marcus
Feb 25, 2012, 2:25:50 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 24, 10:09 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com>, mythologizing again:
about it. But, that doesn't mean that I'm uninformed...just not
impressed. Heck, every now and then I find something from the 60s and
70s that I wasn't that into at the time, and am discovering it for the
first time.
My life and livelihood do not revolve around the music industry as
yours does.
You don't realize your encompassing musical interests are the
exception and not the rule for most people.
> Ever notice how statements opening with "Let's face it" are usually
> anything but the "obvious truth" that the speaker believes he is
> presenting?
In this case, it was obvious.
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com>, mythologizing again:
>
> > I gave up waiting for any musical savior a long time ago.
>
> > Let's face it RR, we were spoiled by greatness.
>
> > I gave up waiting for any musical savior a long time ago.
>
> > Let's face it RR, we were spoiled by greatness.
>
> So easy to rationalize simply being too lazy and jaded to be interested
> in music anymore.
I am still interested in music, but I find most modern music lacking.
> in music anymore.
>
> It's one thing to say "I just don't have time for music anymore" (fine),
> but it's something else to delude yourself that you still have any sort
> of informed perspective on the subject.
I honestly don't have time to really get into it. I make no pretense
> It's one thing to say "I just don't have time for music anymore" (fine),
> but it's something else to delude yourself that you still have any sort
> of informed perspective on the subject.
about it. But, that doesn't mean that I'm uninformed...just not
impressed. Heck, every now and then I find something from the 60s and
70s that I wasn't that into at the time, and am discovering it for the
first time.
My life and livelihood do not revolve around the music industry as
yours does.
You don't realize your encompassing musical interests are the
exception and not the rule for most people.
> Ever notice how statements opening with "Let's face it" are usually
> anything but the "obvious truth" that the speaker believes he is
> presenting?
In this case, it was obvious.
crazytimes
Feb 25, 2012, 2:25:56 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 25, 1:26 pm, Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com>
wrote:
The very ability of our being able to replay 'old' (it's all old the
minute it's recorded) and now 'post' about how we feel about it is
both miraculous and ludicrous at the same time (in a good way, of
course)... How we deal with the content in its varying contexts is a
matter of personal reflection... It's all just 'stuff'...
wrote:
minute it's recorded) and now 'post' about how we feel about it is
both miraculous and ludicrous at the same time (in a good way, of
course)... How we deal with the content in its varying contexts is a
matter of personal reflection... It's all just 'stuff'...
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Janice
Feb 25, 2012, 3:14:52 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 24, 2:06 pm, "frinjdwelr" <frinjdw...@charter.net> wrote:
.
> That I'm familiar with...the Hispanic culture in the southwest and some
> Indian tribes. I'd guess some Irish communities also.
Yes, I would think that would be the sort of music to be very deeply
ingrained, and have the most value in the long run.
> To take a different direction...what did you think of the movie? I went
> with my ex and my grandson. I think they were expecting something a lot
> lighter and were a bit taken aback. I was impressed how bravely it delved
> into the subject matter and every character was skillfully drawn.
It's hard for me to assess the movie because I was so caught up in
'being home' again while watching it, which is what it felt like.
There are wonderful nuances throughout the movie that are so true to
the flavor of real life in Hawaii -- yes, it rains and there are grey
days, and yes there are above-ground telephone poles/cable wires
sagging among palm trees in even the most expensive neighborhoods...
people "dress like bums" (t-shirts & shorts with flipflops, dressing
up means wearing an aloha print), foul-mouthed teenagers talk back
(even in paradise :), neighbors complain, houses are messy and full of
Haw'n kitsch, spouses cheat, and people behave badly.
One of the subtlest (but homiest) touches was the director's choice to
have everyone remember to take their shoes (slippers, sandals) on and
off every time they entered or left a house. Once the camera didn't
even show their feet while they were rushing out of the house to go
somewhere and jumping into their sandals on the way -- all you could
see was George's upper torso doing a strange shrug and shift while he
was talking. He was putting on his shoes. Removing your shoes before
entering a house is a state-wide culturally mandated practice... it
keeps the house clean, and it is a sign of respect to the host.
I wondered what you meant by how "bravely the movie delved into the
subject matter" -- which subject matter? There's the matter of the
dying, comatose cheating wife and whether or not to take her off life-
support, and there's the matter of the descendant, who is a typical
clueless & self-absorbed haole (white) male who doesn't know how to
feel about being cuckolded, or being a father, or facing the death of
someone he loves, or selling off pristine island acres of inherited
land to corporate developers.
There's a lot going on in this movie -- questions of who's responsible
for what, or whom; questions of forgiveness; questions dealing with
grief, with retribution, with redemption, with commitment and marriage
and parenting, and with the importance of tradition, culture, and the
land. It's a big bite of life that includes just enough humor to
remind us also that, hey... shit happens.
I thought Clooney did a good job of being clueless & lost & affronted
without having to be evil... people aren't usually evil, just ignorant
and self-involved, until they're suddenly slapped awake like Clooney's
character was.
I am disappointed that Shailene Woodley (Clooney's teenage daughter in
the film) was not nominated for best supporting actress, because the
movie really did seem to hinge on the three kids, and she was
remarkable, and remarkably real. Her little sister, Amara Miller, was
also great as a typical ten-year-old. The most interesting character
(to me) was the teenage boy friend Sid, played by Nick Krause... he
provided a strange and sweet perspective for all these complexities to
play out against.
I've heard some complaints that there isn't enough representation of
other local races, which confuses me a little... one of the first
scenes in the movie deals with 10-year-old Scottie having to apologize
to her local Haw'n schoolmate in the schoolmate's home in the presence
of her local Haw'n mother. There are also people walking through
scenes who are not haole, as well as scenes at local places peopled
by locals ethnic races.
However, it has to be noted that Clooney's character, Matt King,
obviously doesn't choose to spend his time with anyone but haoles
(whites) -- haoles are his friends, his business associates, and his
family. This is typical for a couple reasons -- one, because the
wealthy elite of the islands are in fact very enclosed in their own
communities, especially the descendants of missionaries (who are not
popular among the locals); and two, since haoles (whites) are a
minority in the islands, they run into the same obstacles any minority
faces, including ostracism. It can be a difficult, but not
impossible, thing to incorporate into the non-white cultures... it
depends a lot on the haole attitude and behavior. Being humble is a
start.
I seem to have a lot to say about this movie, without really knowing
how to review it :) I am far more interested in how people who are
not familiar with the islands respond to this movie. I'm also looking
forward to reading the novel the movie is based on.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
> That I'm familiar with...the Hispanic culture in the southwest and some
> Indian tribes. I'd guess some Irish communities also.
Yes, I would think that would be the sort of music to be very deeply
ingrained, and have the most value in the long run.
> To take a different direction...what did you think of the movie? I went
> with my ex and my grandson. I think they were expecting something a lot
> lighter and were a bit taken aback. I was impressed how bravely it delved
> into the subject matter and every character was skillfully drawn.
It's hard for me to assess the movie because I was so caught up in
'being home' again while watching it, which is what it felt like.
There are wonderful nuances throughout the movie that are so true to
the flavor of real life in Hawaii -- yes, it rains and there are grey
days, and yes there are above-ground telephone poles/cable wires
sagging among palm trees in even the most expensive neighborhoods...
people "dress like bums" (t-shirts & shorts with flipflops, dressing
up means wearing an aloha print), foul-mouthed teenagers talk back
(even in paradise :), neighbors complain, houses are messy and full of
Haw'n kitsch, spouses cheat, and people behave badly.
One of the subtlest (but homiest) touches was the director's choice to
have everyone remember to take their shoes (slippers, sandals) on and
off every time they entered or left a house. Once the camera didn't
even show their feet while they were rushing out of the house to go
somewhere and jumping into their sandals on the way -- all you could
see was George's upper torso doing a strange shrug and shift while he
was talking. He was putting on his shoes. Removing your shoes before
entering a house is a state-wide culturally mandated practice... it
keeps the house clean, and it is a sign of respect to the host.
I wondered what you meant by how "bravely the movie delved into the
subject matter" -- which subject matter? There's the matter of the
dying, comatose cheating wife and whether or not to take her off life-
support, and there's the matter of the descendant, who is a typical
clueless & self-absorbed haole (white) male who doesn't know how to
feel about being cuckolded, or being a father, or facing the death of
someone he loves, or selling off pristine island acres of inherited
land to corporate developers.
There's a lot going on in this movie -- questions of who's responsible
for what, or whom; questions of forgiveness; questions dealing with
grief, with retribution, with redemption, with commitment and marriage
and parenting, and with the importance of tradition, culture, and the
land. It's a big bite of life that includes just enough humor to
remind us also that, hey... shit happens.
I thought Clooney did a good job of being clueless & lost & affronted
without having to be evil... people aren't usually evil, just ignorant
and self-involved, until they're suddenly slapped awake like Clooney's
character was.
I am disappointed that Shailene Woodley (Clooney's teenage daughter in
the film) was not nominated for best supporting actress, because the
movie really did seem to hinge on the three kids, and she was
remarkable, and remarkably real. Her little sister, Amara Miller, was
also great as a typical ten-year-old. The most interesting character
(to me) was the teenage boy friend Sid, played by Nick Krause... he
provided a strange and sweet perspective for all these complexities to
play out against.
I've heard some complaints that there isn't enough representation of
other local races, which confuses me a little... one of the first
scenes in the movie deals with 10-year-old Scottie having to apologize
to her local Haw'n schoolmate in the schoolmate's home in the presence
of her local Haw'n mother. There are also people walking through
scenes who are not haole, as well as scenes at local places peopled
by locals ethnic races.
However, it has to be noted that Clooney's character, Matt King,
obviously doesn't choose to spend his time with anyone but haoles
(whites) -- haoles are his friends, his business associates, and his
family. This is typical for a couple reasons -- one, because the
wealthy elite of the islands are in fact very enclosed in their own
communities, especially the descendants of missionaries (who are not
popular among the locals); and two, since haoles (whites) are a
minority in the islands, they run into the same obstacles any minority
faces, including ostracism. It can be a difficult, but not
impossible, thing to incorporate into the non-white cultures... it
depends a lot on the haole attitude and behavior. Being humble is a
start.
I seem to have a lot to say about this movie, without really knowing
how to review it :) I am far more interested in how people who are
not familiar with the islands respond to this movie. I'm also looking
forward to reading the novel the movie is based on.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just Walkin'
Feb 25, 2012, 4:11:56 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 25, 2:14 pm, Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com>
wrote:
It was a story about responsibility. Hawaiian music is very
responsible music.
wrote:
responsible music.
Janice
Feb 25, 2012, 5:48:03 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 25, 1:11 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
> It was a story about responsibility. Hawaiian music is very
> responsible music.
Yeah. Like he said.
> responsible music.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RichL
Feb 25, 2012, 7:38:24 PM2/25/12
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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
news:prose9-D7B7B6....@news.eternal-september.org...
> more likely to be popular and easily heard (which also means it was
> easier to perceive a "soundtrack of your life" -- music that was not
> only loved but inescapable). Now, one has to look harder. And there is
> endlessly more music to hear in this expanded indie/DIY world, if you
> aim to stay current.
>
> So, we all decide whether to make the effort or not. Choosing "no" is
> fine, but when someone opts to bail out, he/she shouldn't be wasting
> other people's time with sloppy, impossible, old-fart generalizations
> about how all contemporary music sounds like THIS and is therefore
> inferior.
Well, I make more than an effort. But it's tanking, as Janice's cartoon in
another thread suggests. This is my opinion and not intended to communicate
a factual matter; however, when many people that I keep in regular contact
with, whose musical awareness and values I respect, and who are decades
younger than I am turn to older music, you gotta figure something's up.
Sure, there's always some good music out there, but I think the proportion
of music that I would call "good" has been in serious decline for about five
years.
I think part of this is because the industry model is in transition,
although the biggest players in the industry haven't woken up to this yet.
I'd say that the best stuff I've listened to in the last five years is far
out of the mainstream.
news:prose9-D7B7B6....@news.eternal-september.org...
> Janice <janice_...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
>
>> I miss the old stuff, too... or at least, like Marcus & rr talk about,
>> I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
>> turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
>> when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
>> I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
>> that comes with wisdom and age :)
>
> The fundamental hurdle is that, in days of yore, "good" music was much
>
>> I miss the old stuff, too... or at least, like Marcus & rr talk about,
>> I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
>> turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
>> when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
>> I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
>> that comes with wisdom and age :)
>
> more likely to be popular and easily heard (which also means it was
> easier to perceive a "soundtrack of your life" -- music that was not
> only loved but inescapable). Now, one has to look harder. And there is
> endlessly more music to hear in this expanded indie/DIY world, if you
> aim to stay current.
>
> So, we all decide whether to make the effort or not. Choosing "no" is
> fine, but when someone opts to bail out, he/she shouldn't be wasting
> other people's time with sloppy, impossible, old-fart generalizations
> about how all contemporary music sounds like THIS and is therefore
> inferior.
Well, I make more than an effort. But it's tanking, as Janice's cartoon in
another thread suggests. This is my opinion and not intended to communicate
a factual matter; however, when many people that I keep in regular contact
with, whose musical awareness and values I respect, and who are decades
younger than I am turn to older music, you gotta figure something's up.
Sure, there's always some good music out there, but I think the proportion
of music that I would call "good" has been in serious decline for about five
years.
I think part of this is because the industry model is in transition,
although the biggest players in the industry haven't woken up to this yet.
I'd say that the best stuff I've listened to in the last five years is far
out of the mainstream.
rwalker
Feb 25, 2012, 7:53:51 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:38:24 -0500, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>I'd say that the best stuff I've listened to in the last five years is far
>out of the mainstream.
I have to agree with that. Most of the newer stuff I've been
listening to for the last several years has been in blues and folk.
Doesn't get a lot of mainstream airplay.
wrote:
>I'd say that the best stuff I've listened to in the last five years is far
>out of the mainstream.
listening to for the last several years has been in blues and folk.
Doesn't get a lot of mainstream airplay.
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RichL
Feb 25, 2012, 9:16:14 PM2/25/12
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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
news:prose9-BCA3AF....@news.eternal-september.org...
> Yes, I know you try.
>
>> however, when many people that I keep in regular contact
>> with, whose musical awareness and values I respect, and who are decades
>> younger than I am turn to older music, you gotta figure something's up.
>
> Well, if you're going to use that kind of populist argument, then I
>> however, when many people that I keep in regular contact
>> with, whose musical awareness and values I respect, and who are decades
>> younger than I am turn to older music, you gotta figure something's up.
>
> could just argue that newer music is still far outselling older music.
> And since older people aren't so likely to be buying new stuff....
>
> I just scanned the iTunes top 200. The only charting song by one of the
> "old masters" is Journey's "Don't Stop Believin." Which isn't exactly
> the cream of the crop.
>
> Just for laughs, I also just looked up Billboard's current "Catalog
> Albums" chart.
>
> 1. Whitney
> 2. Adele
> 3. Whitney
> 4. Whitney
> 5. Etta James
> 6. Whitney
> 7. Lady Antebellum
> 8. Whitney
> 9. Whitney
> 10. Beatles
> 11. Boyz II Men
> 12. Temptations
> 13. Eminem
> 14. Black Keys
> 15. Lionel Richie
> 16. Barry White
> 17. Elton John
> 18. Florence + the Machine
> 19. Lynyrd Skynyrd
> 20. Tony Bennett
> 21. Taylor Swift
> 22. Bon Iver
> 23. Justin Bieber
> 24. Amy Winehouse
> 25. Zac Brown Band
>
> Not such a great testimony for "old school" virtues, is it? It sure
> would be interesting to see this chart extended to 100 or 200 titles,
> though.
One thing I'm curious about. How to today's top selling songs and albums
compare with earlier years in terms of sales, adjusted for the difference in
population?
I don't know the answer, but I have a feeling that the mainstream is weaker
than it used to be. Besides, sales aren't as much an indicator of
popularity as it used to be, particularly among people in their teens and
twenties.
As for your list, obviously it's skewed significantly by Houston's death
(and to a lesser degree, that of James). Overall, only two of your top ten
albums are by currently popular artists, which says something, doesn't it?
And the trend is similar (though not as strong) in #11 onward. People would
rather listen to dead people than they would current artists!
The up-side is that mainstream sources like this only tell part of the story
(and a diminishing one at that). To me, there's a lot more interesting
stuff that doesn't get nationwide attention. Heck, metal is flourishing
these days! (Not that I'm into metal, but then again neither is the
mainstream industry.)
marcus
Feb 26, 2012, 12:33:06 AM2/26/12
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On Feb 25, 11:43 am, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> sure I could name 100 active artists whose latest music excites me more.
> And I doubt he'd be familiar with more than a handful of the names. But
> all the same, he just repeatedly reassures himself with the same rote "I
> was spoiled by greatness" rationalization.
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2010:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/7103af93774f9c2d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2009:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/msg/37363275399bd7d1
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2008:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/9733a0f40806a13d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2005:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/d7e1189d8763e040
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2003:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.the-doors/msg/35fe1aa6828a602d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2002:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/76777dedce2cda7f
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2000:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/afb57232a91d81eahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/20301b24d47894b3
>
> These links were simple to find...Googling all of Usenet history for the
> phrase turns up practically nothing but Marcus's posts.
>
> Get the feeling that he relies on this cop-out platitude a bit too
> heavily? Heaven knows how long has been coasting on this.
What it means is that I've been consistently correct for many years.
btw, reading your responses to Really Real, Janice, and others in this
thread with your perceived battles of "old music vs new music" and
gray-haired curmudgeons shows you to be the generationist you accuse
me of being.
And "we"were spoiled by greatness...not a bragging statement, but a
statement of fact.
> Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
> > I miss the old stuff, too... or at least, like Marcus & rr talk about,
> > I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
> > turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
> > when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
> > I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
> > that comes with wisdom and age :)
>
> > I miss the old stuff, too... or at least, like Marcus & rr talk about,
> > I miss the sense of discovering mind-boggling new music every time I
> > turn around. But perhaps that has everything to do with being young,
> > when it all seems new, and incredible, and important, and personal.
> > I'm not sure how much I miss that now... I kind of like the patience
> > that comes with wisdom and age :)
>
> The fundamental hurdle is that, in days of yore, "good" music was much
> more likely to be popular and easily heard (which also means it was
> easier to perceive a "soundtrack of your life" -- music that was not
> only loved but inescapable). Now, one has to look harder. And there is
> endlessly more music to hear in this expanded indie/DIY world, if you
> aim to stay current.
>
> So, we all decide whether to make the effort or not. Choosing "no" is
> fine, but when someone opts to bail out, he/she shouldn't be wasting
> other people's time with sloppy, impossible, old-fart generalizations
> about how all contemporary music sounds like THIS and is therefore
> inferior.
>
> Marcus always waves a flag for the Turtles. I like the Turtles, but I'm
> more likely to be popular and easily heard (which also means it was
> easier to perceive a "soundtrack of your life" -- music that was not
> only loved but inescapable). Now, one has to look harder. And there is
> endlessly more music to hear in this expanded indie/DIY world, if you
> aim to stay current.
>
> So, we all decide whether to make the effort or not. Choosing "no" is
> fine, but when someone opts to bail out, he/she shouldn't be wasting
> other people's time with sloppy, impossible, old-fart generalizations
> about how all contemporary music sounds like THIS and is therefore
> inferior.
>
> sure I could name 100 active artists whose latest music excites me more.
> And I doubt he'd be familiar with more than a handful of the names. But
> all the same, he just repeatedly reassures himself with the same rote "I
> was spoiled by greatness" rationalization.
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2010:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/7103af93774f9c2d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2009:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.dylan/msg/37363275399bd7d1
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2008:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/9733a0f40806a13d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2005:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/d7e1189d8763e040
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2003:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.the-doors/msg/35fe1aa6828a602d
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2002:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/76777dedce2cda7f
>
> Here he is, saying it in 2000:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/afb57232a91d81eahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/msg/20301b24d47894b3
>
> These links were simple to find...Googling all of Usenet history for the
> phrase turns up practically nothing but Marcus's posts.
>
> Get the feeling that he relies on this cop-out platitude a bit too
> heavily? Heaven knows how long has been coasting on this.
What it means is that I've been consistently correct for many years.
btw, reading your responses to Really Real, Janice, and others in this
thread with your perceived battles of "old music vs new music" and
gray-haired curmudgeons shows you to be the generationist you accuse
me of being.
And "we"were spoiled by greatness...not a bragging statement, but a
statement of fact.
treadleson
Feb 26, 2012, 2:24:25 AM2/26/12
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On Feb 25, 8:34 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > If you need drugs to fully enjoy music, that's your handicap. Reminds me
> > of the old riddle about sobered-up Deadheads.
-=-=-
> > If you need drugs to fully enjoy music, that's your handicap. Reminds me
> > of the old riddle about sobered-up Deadheads.
> Indeed, imagine never listening to drugs when stoned or drunk.
>
> It's easy if you try, I guess.
>
> I suppose, poisoned rose, that you are a purist and only listen to music
> when your senses are unaffected by alcohol or marijuana. I guess that's
> the best way to be a scholar and make lists. I prefer to listen to music
> in the spirit in which it was made
WARNING: Putz alert!! Bring all small children and animals inside
>
> It's easy if you try, I guess.
>
> I suppose, poisoned rose, that you are a purist and only listen to music
> when your senses are unaffected by alcohol or marijuana. I guess that's
> the best way to be a scholar and make lists. I prefer to listen to music
> in the spirit in which it was made
immediately!!
really real
Feb 26, 2012, 11:09:24 AM2/26/12
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>
> Edit out all the substance of my posts, and just leave the insult
> fragments. Sure.
Eric, you throw these awful tantrums all the time here. You somehow
think its funny to repeat the same insults over and over again.
And you think this is an editing problem?
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really real
Feb 26, 2012, 7:59:08 PM2/26/12
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>>
>> And you think this is an editing problem?
>
Did you miss my ironic intention in this?
> You are wholly useless. Just leave.
But notice no one in the history of rmd has every complimented you on
your tantrums and your insults.
I have that internet software that compiles what people say about you in
newsgroups and I never notice anything positive. So many of the
responses you inspire say things like:
"My advice would be to go someplace where you don't detest everyone
else."
marcus
Feb 26, 2012, 7:49:32 PM2/26/12
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On Feb 26, 3:37 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> have been recycling the same pat soundbites ever since. You hear a
> subject mentioned, search for its corresponding 3x5 card and recite its
> text again. Just like how, multiple times a year, you repost verbatim
> "anniversary-commemoration" lectures from past years.
>
> Your brain is like a greatest-hits album stuck on Repeat.
>
> You are actually arguing that if you say something multiple times, it
> must be true. You are actually doing this. Apparently with a straight
> face. Such is the incredible extent of your messiah complex. And this
> explains a lot about your loving relationship with repetition.
> complaints are coming from. Others are discussing music with a heavy
> sentimental emphasis on what they heard during their distant youth, and
> obviously not giving contemporary music much of a shot. And you and
> Really Real are addressing me with dripping ageist condescension. It was
> RR who immediately pushed the "age" issue by chiding my initial post
> with "Alas, I guess this is what happened to the younger generation." So
> don't pretend that I pushed this variable into the thread.
>
> Meanwhile, your panting fixation on "generational battles" -- often,
> battles you have invented in your own head -- is so repetitive, way-out
> and obsessive that it seriously begs for steady therapy. It's even more
> intense than it used to be. I can't regard you as a rational person
> anymore. You're like some rambling street bum, grabbing my shirt sleeve
> to moan in slurred language about what "they" did to you. Who knows how
> many more indulgent, redundant posts you'll dump into the subject in
> this round?
> that is so obviously a subjective opinion. You are living on your own
> fantasy planet, and have lost all perspective on the real world. I
> shudder to imagine what your skewed social circles must be, such that
> your peers coddle you and let you continue babbling such ridiculous,
> self-congratulatory nonsense.
>
> Did you see where I wrote that I could name 100 contemporary acts that I
> enjoy more than the Turtles? You know, the place where I didn't say they
> are "greater" but only that I enjoy them more? See, that's how someone
> with a grip on reality reasons. He expresses personal opinions as
> personal opinions.
>
> People like to tell themselves that I'm just haggling over semantics,
> but there is no ambiguity here: You are flat-out declaring that your
> opinion about music is "a statement of fact." NUTS. You're lucky, once
> again, to be preaching in a wildly slanted environment that will not
> offer you much challenge. Just make sure not to step into a forum with a
> broader range of people, or you'll quickly be skewered.
>
> When you reply with your usual chicken-scratch, boilerplate
> condescension, make sure not to say one word to defend the idea that
> it's a "fact" that you were "spoiled by greatness." And be extra-careful
> to say nothing to counter the idea that you just use this slogan as a
> shabby rationalization for being out of touch with contemporary music
> culture.
Here's the big difference between you and me...I wouldn't have wasted
so much space, as you have above, and continue to do, debating how
someone frames their opinion, or that they need facts to support an
opinion when opinions are based upon a multitude of "factors"...age,
ethnicity, religion, geography, and experiences.
One of your problems is your misconception of what Usenet is for.
It's not for debate, it's not for one-upmanship, it's for the express
purpose of human interaction. No one should have to defend their
opinion, or supply an arm-length resume of footnotes and
qualifications to support an opinion or deflate someone else. People
can disagree, and state why they do, but this isn't a contest...it's
just a bunch of people writing down their thoughts to one another.
I'm not trying to proselytize you, or get you to agree with me. I
stopped doing things like that over 30 years ago. I used to be the
guy in the 1970s who told people that they just "had" to listen to a
record, or watch a certain "TV show", or read a certain book. I came
to realize how boorish and unrealistic that approach is. If someone
likes what I like, fine, but if not...that's just the way it is.
You don't seem to get that everyone has likes and dislikes, and you
can't lecture folks about defending those likes and dislikes...it's
just the way it is. I find it both peculiar and sad that you have yet
to realize that. With your constant harping about the downward turn
on Usenet, one wonders why you stay.
Are you a glutton for punishment, or so addicted to the forum that the
thought of abandoning it gives you the frights?
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What it means is that I've been consistently correct for many years.
>
> No, what it means is that you stopped actively thinking decades ago and
> > What it means is that I've been consistently correct for many years.
>
> have been recycling the same pat soundbites ever since. You hear a
> subject mentioned, search for its corresponding 3x5 card and recite its
> text again. Just like how, multiple times a year, you repost verbatim
> "anniversary-commemoration" lectures from past years.
>
> Your brain is like a greatest-hits album stuck on Repeat.
>
> You are actually arguing that if you say something multiple times, it
> must be true. You are actually doing this. Apparently with a straight
> face. Such is the incredible extent of your messiah complex. And this
> explains a lot about your loving relationship with repetition.
>
> > btw, reading your responses to Really Real, Janice, and others in this
> > thread with your perceived battles of "old music vs new music" and
> > gray-haired curmudgeons shows you to be the generationist you accuse
> > me of being.
>
> It requires no "interpretation" on my part to see the angle the
> > btw, reading your responses to Really Real, Janice, and others in this
> > thread with your perceived battles of "old music vs new music" and
> > gray-haired curmudgeons shows you to be the generationist you accuse
> > me of being.
>
> complaints are coming from. Others are discussing music with a heavy
> sentimental emphasis on what they heard during their distant youth, and
> obviously not giving contemporary music much of a shot. And you and
> Really Real are addressing me with dripping ageist condescension. It was
> RR who immediately pushed the "age" issue by chiding my initial post
> with "Alas, I guess this is what happened to the younger generation." So
> don't pretend that I pushed this variable into the thread.
>
> Meanwhile, your panting fixation on "generational battles" -- often,
> battles you have invented in your own head -- is so repetitive, way-out
> and obsessive that it seriously begs for steady therapy. It's even more
> intense than it used to be. I can't regard you as a rational person
> anymore. You're like some rambling street bum, grabbing my shirt sleeve
> to moan in slurred language about what "they" did to you. Who knows how
> many more indulgent, redundant posts you'll dump into the subject in
> this round?
>
> > And "we"were spoiled by greatness...not a bragging statement, but a
> > statement of fact.
>
> Only someone who is completely crackers would say this about a statement
> > And "we"were spoiled by greatness...not a bragging statement, but a
> > statement of fact.
>
> that is so obviously a subjective opinion. You are living on your own
> fantasy planet, and have lost all perspective on the real world. I
> shudder to imagine what your skewed social circles must be, such that
> your peers coddle you and let you continue babbling such ridiculous,
> self-congratulatory nonsense.
>
> Did you see where I wrote that I could name 100 contemporary acts that I
> enjoy more than the Turtles? You know, the place where I didn't say they
> are "greater" but only that I enjoy them more? See, that's how someone
> with a grip on reality reasons. He expresses personal opinions as
> personal opinions.
>
> People like to tell themselves that I'm just haggling over semantics,
> but there is no ambiguity here: You are flat-out declaring that your
> opinion about music is "a statement of fact." NUTS. You're lucky, once
> again, to be preaching in a wildly slanted environment that will not
> offer you much challenge. Just make sure not to step into a forum with a
> broader range of people, or you'll quickly be skewered.
>
> When you reply with your usual chicken-scratch, boilerplate
> condescension, make sure not to say one word to defend the idea that
> it's a "fact" that you were "spoiled by greatness." And be extra-careful
> to say nothing to counter the idea that you just use this slogan as a
> shabby rationalization for being out of touch with contemporary music
> culture.
Here's the big difference between you and me...I wouldn't have wasted
so much space, as you have above, and continue to do, debating how
someone frames their opinion, or that they need facts to support an
opinion when opinions are based upon a multitude of "factors"...age,
ethnicity, religion, geography, and experiences.
One of your problems is your misconception of what Usenet is for.
It's not for debate, it's not for one-upmanship, it's for the express
purpose of human interaction. No one should have to defend their
opinion, or supply an arm-length resume of footnotes and
qualifications to support an opinion or deflate someone else. People
can disagree, and state why they do, but this isn't a contest...it's
just a bunch of people writing down their thoughts to one another.
I'm not trying to proselytize you, or get you to agree with me. I
stopped doing things like that over 30 years ago. I used to be the
guy in the 1970s who told people that they just "had" to listen to a
record, or watch a certain "TV show", or read a certain book. I came
to realize how boorish and unrealistic that approach is. If someone
likes what I like, fine, but if not...that's just the way it is.
You don't seem to get that everyone has likes and dislikes, and you
can't lecture folks about defending those likes and dislikes...it's
just the way it is. I find it both peculiar and sad that you have yet
to realize that. With your constant harping about the downward turn
on Usenet, one wonders why you stay.
Are you a glutton for punishment, or so addicted to the forum that the
thought of abandoning it gives you the frights?
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Feb 26, 2012, 8:37:00 PM2/26/12
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On Feb 26, 8:29 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
.
"I'm a bullshit detector."
Unfortunately, your detector doesn't detect your bullshit.
Whew, you are a piece of work!
.
"I'm a bullshit detector."
Unfortunately, your detector doesn't detect your bullshit.
Whew, you are a piece of work!
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Feb 26, 2012, 9:40:22 PM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:49:32 -0800 (PST), marcus <marc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Are you a glutton for punishment, or so addicted to the forum that the
>thought of abandoning it gives you the frights?
After years of this, I've conlcuded he's simply an arsehole.
wrote:
>Are you a glutton for punishment, or so addicted to the forum that the
>thought of abandoning it gives you the frights?
really real
Feb 26, 2012, 9:40:32 PM2/26/12
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>
>> I have that internet software that compiles what people say about you in
>> newsgroups
>
Are you trying to tell me that you don't believe there is an internet
software program that compiles what people say about you in rmd?
You're really stepping out on a limb here.
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gemjack
Feb 27, 2012, 8:03:22 AM2/27/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:25:50 -0800 (PST), marcus <marc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> So easy to rationalize simply being too lazy and jaded to be interested
>> in music anymore.
>
>I am still interested in music, but I find most modern music lacking.
Most, yes. But there is some good stuff out there. The new Black
Keys is pretty good, the Killers have a new album coming out soon, and
um... let's see... That guy with the guitar.
-gj
wrote:
>> So easy to rationalize simply being too lazy and jaded to be interested
>> in music anymore.
>
>I am still interested in music, but I find most modern music lacking.
Most, yes. But there is some good stuff out there. The new Black
Keys is pretty good, the Killers have a new album coming out soon, and
um... let's see... That guy with the guitar.
-gj
really real
Feb 27, 2012, 10:37:17 AM2/27/12
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>> Are you a glutton for punishment, or so addicted to the forum that the
>> thought of abandoning it gives you the frights?
>
> After years of this, I've conlcuded he's simply an arsehole.
for punishment. He does seem to revel in the world of flames and
insults, and when people call him on his behavior, the criticism seems
to fall right off of him. He doesn't seem to mind being exposed in
newsgroups for his incredibly immature behavior.
I've seen other people in newsgroups like this, They seem to think its
normal to flame everyone all the time.
The other interesting thing about poisoned rose is that he always has to
have the last word. He seems to be more of a glutton for attention than
punishment, because he doesn't consider it punishment to make a fool out
of himself.
marcus
Feb 27, 2012, 12:24:27 PM2/27/12
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But what else can you expect from someone who considers himself a
teacher, and the rest of us his students?
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really real
Feb 27, 2012, 6:25:14 PM2/27/12
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>
> It is unfathomable that he can't see himself as others see him.
folly, but I wonder if it isn't a bit more complicated that that.
I think he does see how we see him, but he just doesn't care. He thinks
it's normal to trash people, so he thinks when he gets criticized in
newsgroups, it's just the ebb and flow of normal newsgroup repartee.
I think this is why he doesn't mind being made a fool of. It's like
water off a ducks back.
But it's really unfathomable that he doesn't see how tedious and boring
his repetitious, haranguing insults are. I think he imagines he actually
has an audience for those.
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really real
Feb 27, 2012, 9:56:05 PM2/27/12
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> It's just so awww wounding having my debate tactics scolded by two
> people who are consistently rude to whoever disagrees with them.
marcus, he thinks we are talking about his debating tactics.
He's further gone than I had imagined.
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marcus
Feb 27, 2012, 10:40:35 PM2/27/12
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all. For someone who constantly bemoans the current state of Usenet,
and complains about its downward spiral, old farts, and gneral lack of
attendance, just who does he think he's playing to? I'm under no
illusion that the audience is small, and those who didn't bail out on
reading this thread several posts back, number on two hands. They
probably think we are jerks, whereas they KNOW he is.
marcus
Feb 27, 2012, 10:45:54 PM2/27/12
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But back to why someone who thinks they are so stupendosuly gifted in
debating, and keeping everyone "honest", but thinks of Usenet to be
similar to a 2nd rate message board. There is really no logical
reason for him to continue posting here. One would think that to rid
himself of all the disgust he has for Usenet, he would just go away.
He would be better off devoting his time to Facebook, but then again
that would require having friends. This character is not a friendly
person.
OK, watch for the standard pot kettle black response from the person
of interest.
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Feb 27, 2012, 11:10:25 PM2/27/12
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On Feb 27, 7:59 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > But back to why someone who thinks they are so stupendosuly gifted in
> > debating, and keeping everyone "honest", but thinks of Usenet to be
> > similar to a 2nd rate message board. There is really no logical
> > reason for him to continue posting here. One would think that to rid
> > himself of all the disgust he has for Usenet, he would just go away.
> > He would be better off devoting his time to Facebook, but then again
> > that would require having friends. This character is not a friendly
> > person.
>
> > OK, watch for the standard pot kettle black response from the person
> > of interest.
>
> Why do you spend so much time on these empty, posturing, poisoned-pen
> > debating, and keeping everyone "honest", but thinks of Usenet to be
> > similar to a 2nd rate message board. There is really no logical
> > reason for him to continue posting here. One would think that to rid
> > himself of all the disgust he has for Usenet, he would just go away.
> > He would be better off devoting his time to Facebook, but then again
> > that would require having friends. This character is not a friendly
> > person.
>
> > OK, watch for the standard pot kettle black response from the person
> > of interest.
>
> dissections of me, yet scorn wasting your time on debating on-topic
> issues? I don't suppose it's because it's far safer to trade cowardly
> "behind my back" swipes at me (standard Fattuchus behavior) than to
> attempt backing up ridiculously self-righteous positions on music that
> you declare "facts"?
>
> What a hollow, hollow charade. God, you doofuses are SO lucky to posting
> in such an ideologically skewed, low-population environment. You have no
> idea how easy you have it.
>
> Your statement about Facebook is entirely wrong, and you should be aware
> that no more than "modest" debate skills are required to bury you.
> You're simply not too bright, Marcus. Worse, you don't put your beliefs
> to any sort of honest, impartial testing. You just recite them.
"cowardly behind my back swipes at me"...standard "I'm a victim"
paranoia.
"you have no idea how easy you have it"...trying to create an illusion
that there is some vague place where someone would be even harsher
than him, but not saying where this place is.
"you should be aware that no more than modest debate skills are
required to bury you"....bragging by exaggerating his abilities and
combining that with a burial. Illusions of power.
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Feb 28, 2012, 12:25:52 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 27, 11:37 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Your statement about Facebook is entirely wrong, and you should be aware
> > > that no more than "modest" debate skills are required to bury you.
> > > You're simply not too bright, Marcus. Worse, you don't put your beliefs
> > > to any sort of honest, impartial testing. You just recite them.
>
> > "cowardly behind my back swipes at me"...standard "I'm a victim"
> > paranoia.
>
> How is it "paranoia" to observe you and Trolly publicly pulling the
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Your statement about Facebook is entirely wrong, and you should be aware
> > > that no more than "modest" debate skills are required to bury you.
> > > You're simply not too bright, Marcus. Worse, you don't put your beliefs
> > > to any sort of honest, impartial testing. You just recite them.
>
> > "cowardly behind my back swipes at me"...standard "I'm a victim"
> > paranoia.
>
> standard, cowardly tag-team tactic of "performing" insults back and
> forth for an audience, because it's safer than going at the person
> directly? We've both seen Fatty and Topaz do this ENDLESSLY in RMB.
Do you really believe when I post something about you to another
poster's post that I'm unaware you will see it?!?!?!
>
> This is real teenage-girl stuff, and you're both men in your sixties.
>
> Also, it's not a case of me being a "victim." It's a case of me pointing
> out how PATHETIC your diversionary tactics are. You couldn't debate the
> on-topic issue, so you switch to petulant character insults. Because I'm
> such a baaaaaad man for pressuring you to justify your sloppy,
> self-absorbed, prejudiced proclamations.
What was the on-topic issue?
>
> > "you have no idea how easy you have it"...trying to create an illusion
> > that there is some vague place where someone would be even harsher
> > than him, but not saying where this place is.
>
> You have this wrong too. It's not so much about a place that's
> > "you have no idea how easy you have it"...trying to create an illusion
> > that there is some vague place where someone would be even harsher
> > than him, but not saying where this place is.
>
> "harsher," but of places dominated by open-minded, intelligent,
> enthusiastic music fans of varied ages who stay current and don't view
> music as mere nostalgic comfort food. Your style of shallow, untested
> "good old days" naysaying would never fly in such places.
Having already stated that I don't know a lot about "today's" new
music, why would I even post in a newsgroup about it? There goes your
argument.
>
> > "you should be aware that no more than modest debate skills are
> > required to bury you"....bragging by exaggerating his abilities and
> > combining that with a burial. Illusions of power.
>
> It's actually the opposite, you whining dweeb. I'm saying that I don't
> > "you should be aware that no more than modest debate skills are
> > required to bury you"....bragging by exaggerating his abilities and
> > combining that with a burial. Illusions of power.
>
> need more than modest skills to outdebate you.
>
> You painted yourself into a corner when you said it was a "fact" that
> you were "spoiled by greatness." That was indefensible, and there was
> nowhere to go from there. So, what to do? Ignore my arguments and change
> topics, of course. Launch a character-smear campaign on the other guy
> for pointing out your dire lack of substantial reasoning.
I did nothing of the kind... the music and events of the Sixties were
unique...those of us who experienced it in real time were spoiled by
greatness.
>
> How can you not be ashamed of yourself? All this smoke and mirrors, just
> to cover how musically bigoted and ill-informed you are.
>
> If I vanished from this newsgroup tomorrow...
That would make my day!!!!>
I'll be surprised if you directly address even two sentences of this
> post. Just more diversions to come.
You were wrong.
really real
Feb 28, 2012, 1:06:30 PM2/28/12
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>
> How is it "paranoia" to observe you and Trolly publicly pulling the
> standard, cowardly tag-team tactic of "performing" insults back and
> forth for an audience, because it's safer than going at the person
> directly?
marcus about your personality defects, that I'm doing this because it's
safer than going at you directly? It was all part of the flow of this
thread. Stop being so idiotically paranoid.
And while I am at it, let me post something real.
You constantly accuse me of editing out the important part of your posts
and only leaving a line or two to respond to.
Of course I edit out your rambling repetitious insulting diatribes. I
don't even read 90% of your posts. Who does? Perhaps marcus does but he
shouldn't.
I accept you as someone with a major personality defect and I try to
work around it. I skim your posts until I find something worth
responding to, not so much as to communicate with you, as that is
impossible, but to stimulate newsgroup discussion.
Oh my god. I've criticized marcus in a post to you. I've joined your tag
team. I hope this doesn't drive marcus over the edge.
Janice
Feb 28, 2012, 2:46:33 PM2/28/12
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Apparently, in this thread, the soundtrack consists of Poisoned Rose,
really real, and marcus...
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just Walkin'
Feb 28, 2012, 4:08:07 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 1:46 pm, Janice <janice_geran...@dixoncreekstudio.com>
wrote:
Your song comes through loud and clear.
wrote:
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RichL
Feb 28, 2012, 7:21:34 PM2/28/12
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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote in message
news:prose9-56BE1D....@news.eternal-september.org...
> Janice <janice_...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
>
>> I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
>> soundtrack in their lives.
>
> I've always disliked having music associated too much with real-life
> experiences. This leads to either wallowing in sentimental nostalgia
> (see: Usenet music forums) or unfairly cringing about good music due to
> attached personal memories that aren't so good.
I don't think sentimental nostalgia is necessarily a bad thing (Usenet
groups aside), and melancholy induced by music reminding one of bad
experiences can serve as an outlet for pent-up frustration. I tend to
approach music mainly from an emotional perspective anyways.
In the 60s, my soundtracks were largely the Beatles and Dylan, although The
Who crept in there somewhere along the way. And I agree with Janice that
the music you listen to intentionally doesn't necessarily become part of the
soundtrack; there was a lot of stuff that I really enjoyed back then and
still do now, but hearing those old tunes doesn't trigger the memories the
way that the Beatles and Dylan do.
news:prose9-56BE1D....@news.eternal-september.org...
> Janice <janice_...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
>
>> I am curious if others have experienced such a deeply ingrained
>> soundtrack in their lives.
>
> I've always disliked having music associated too much with real-life
> experiences. This leads to either wallowing in sentimental nostalgia
> (see: Usenet music forums) or unfairly cringing about good music due to
> attached personal memories that aren't so good.
I don't think sentimental nostalgia is necessarily a bad thing (Usenet
groups aside), and melancholy induced by music reminding one of bad
experiences can serve as an outlet for pent-up frustration. I tend to
approach music mainly from an emotional perspective anyways.
In the 60s, my soundtracks were largely the Beatles and Dylan, although The
Who crept in there somewhere along the way. And I agree with Janice that
the music you listen to intentionally doesn't necessarily become part of the
soundtrack; there was a lot of stuff that I really enjoyed back then and
still do now, but hearing those old tunes doesn't trigger the memories the
way that the Beatles and Dylan do.
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Feb 28, 2012, 7:42:57 PM2/28/12
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>
> Like, back in 2004, THE anthemic, soundtrack song of the year was almost
> indisputably OutKast's "Hey Ya!" That song was EVERYWHERE. Some people
> loved it and some people hated it, but...there it was. Soundtrack.
I was very impressed with the video to Hey Ya! It made me like the song.
really real
Feb 28, 2012, 7:47:59 PM2/28/12
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>
> You are such an incredible liar. Over and over again, you edit the
> on-topic substance out of my posts and simply isolate the insulting
> fragments so you can hypocritically scold me about them. This is obvious
> to anyone at a cursory glance.
I've got some proof. I missed all your Disraeli Gears talk which I now
see being repeated in RichL's post. I guess I skimmed too much and then
accused you of not saying anything qualitative about Disraeli Gears.
And I do try not to isolate the insulting fragments. I try to isolate
the fragments that show you at your zaniest.
Marcus's style is to respond to most of what is in your posts, which
leads to awful blather. I've tried to get him to stop but he just can't
help himself. I can empathize as you often bring out the worst in me.
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Feb 28, 2012, 8:43:08 PM2/28/12
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"Just Walkin'" <kens...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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They're trying to catch up with Rachel at hijacking threads
really real
Feb 28, 2012, 10:51:00 PM2/28/12
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>> Apparently, in this thread, the soundtrack consists of Poisoned Rose,
>> really real, and marcus...
>>
>> ~`~
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Your song comes through loud and clear.
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> They're trying to catch up with Rachel at hijacking threads
However, I do admit to inappropriately entering the poisoned rose
-marcus dispute in this thread. I felt I had done my duty to the thread
by posting a few of my thoughts, and then I thought the thread had sort
of run its course. I couldn't resist the opportunity to jump in and try
to illuminate what it is about poisoned rose that makes him so often
start fights in a thread.
As I said before, poisoned rose seems to bring out the worst in me
crazytimes
Feb 29, 2012, 10:52:41 AM2/29/12
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On Feb 28, 8:43 pm, "frinjdwelr" <frinjdw...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Rachel doesn't live here anymore...
> "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Just Walkin'
Feb 29, 2012, 4:58:01 PM2/29/12
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gemjack
Mar 1, 2012, 7:38:10 AM3/1/12
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-gj
frinjdwelr
Mar 1, 2012, 11:11:39 AM3/1/12
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Getting back to "The Descendents," which partially started this thread,
here's another reason, beside his acting, that I like George Clooney.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/george-clooney-advocate-gay-rumors-marriage-brad-pitt_n_1310901.html
here's another reason, beside his acting, that I like George Clooney.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/george-clooney-advocate-gay-rumors-marriage-brad-pitt_n_1310901.html
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Mar 1, 2012, 4:01:31 PM3/1/12
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:40:08 -0800, poisoned rose
<pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>gemjack <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> She seems to be doing fine though, according to my sources.
>
>Elaborate?
Just a quick email back and forth a few weeks/month or so ago. Short,
brief, and witty. Nothing seemed amiss. Didn't ask her about her
absence, just asked if she was alive.
-gj
<pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>gemjack <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> She seems to be doing fine though, according to my sources.
>
Just a quick email back and forth a few weeks/month or so ago. Short,
brief, and witty. Nothing seemed amiss. Didn't ask her about her
absence, just asked if she was alive.
-gj
marcus
Mar 2, 2012, 10:07:14 AM3/2/12
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On Feb 28, 7:47 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Marcus's style is to respond to most of what is in your posts, which
> leads to awful blather. I've tried to get him to stop but he just can't
> help himself. I can empathize as you often bring out the worst in me.
Hey wait a minute...that can't be right...Eric always complains that I
> Marcus's style is to respond to most of what is in your posts, which
> leads to awful blather. I've tried to get him to stop but he just can't
> help himself. I can empathize as you often bring out the worst in me.
DON'T answer his every utterance.
marcus
Mar 2, 2012, 10:11:45 AM3/2/12
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marcus
Mar 2, 2012, 11:25:03 AM3/2/12
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"It's at the stage where counseling is called for."
"Find a professional who'll help you..."
Marcus, shaking his head, remembering when PR would scold people that
the "last refuge of a scoundrel" in Usenet was to tell a poster that
they needed psychological help.
Having long ago violated your previous pet peeves of calling people
names, or using "blue" language, you have reached a new low.
"Find a professional who'll help you..."
Marcus, shaking his head, remembering when PR would scold people that
the "last refuge of a scoundrel" in Usenet was to tell a poster that
they needed psychological help.
Having long ago violated your previous pet peeves of calling people
names, or using "blue" language, you have reached a new low.
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marcus
Mar 3, 2012, 11:25:17 AM3/3/12
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On Mar 2, 2:31 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Every time you pull this "new low" lick, I think "Gee, if that's REALLY
> the lowest I've ever sunk, I must be a pretty wonderful guy."
>
Your unchecked narcissism resulted in thinking you were "a pretty
wonderful guy" long before I pointed out how low you were.
You are correct about one thing...I've played that "low" card many
times. However, just when I think you couldn't sink any lower...you
do.
You are habitually low.
>
> Every time you pull this "new low" lick, I think "Gee, if that's REALLY
> the lowest I've ever sunk, I must be a pretty wonderful guy."
>
Your unchecked narcissism resulted in thinking you were "a pretty
wonderful guy" long before I pointed out how low you were.
You are correct about one thing...I've played that "low" card many
times. However, just when I think you couldn't sink any lower...you
do.
You are habitually low.
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marcus
Mar 3, 2012, 10:34:24 PM3/3/12
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On Mar 3, 6:40 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> about how any younger person who finds your bombastic preening
> ridiculous can only be "jealous" of you? And hey, are you due to show
> off another link to a feeble "essay" on your website?
As you well know, I do not consider anyone to be jealous of me.
> marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Every time you pull this "new low" lick, I think "Gee, if that's REALLY
> > > the lowest I've ever sunk, I must be a pretty wonderful guy."
>
> > Your unchecked narcissism resulted in thinking you were "a pretty
> > wonderful guy" long before I pointed out how low you were.
>
> Hey, you valiant antidote to narcissism, why don't you tell us more
> > > Every time you pull this "new low" lick, I think "Gee, if that's REALLY
> > > the lowest I've ever sunk, I must be a pretty wonderful guy."
>
> > Your unchecked narcissism resulted in thinking you were "a pretty
> > wonderful guy" long before I pointed out how low you were.
>
> about how any younger person who finds your bombastic preening
> ridiculous can only be "jealous" of you? And hey, are you due to show
> off another link to a feeble "essay" on your website?
>
> > You are correct about one thing...I've played that "low" card many
> > times. However, just when I think you couldn't sink any lower...you
> > do.
>
> > You are habitually low.
>
> Just more empty namecalling, with no real meat behind it.
> > You are correct about one thing...I've played that "low" card many
> > times. However, just when I think you couldn't sink any lower...you
> > do.
>
> > You are habitually low.
>
As you well know, I do not consider anyone to be jealous of me.
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