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Willie
Sep 17, 2017, 9:34:27 PM9/17/17
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I listened to most of Saturday's (Sept 16) fascinating Radiolab show on the myth of the crossroads (e.g., Robert Johnson)--the show doesn't seem to be available yet on their site yet (http://www.radiolab.org/series/podcasts/)--and it contained something that I haven't been able to verify. It said that at his Spirituals to Swing concert at Carnegie Hall in 1938, John Hammond had tried to get Robert Johnson to play, but leaned that Johnson had recently died. The Radiolab show narrator said Hammond had ended the concert by wheeling a phonograph onstage and playing a Robert Johnson recording, leaving the audience stunned and applauding wildly. I can't find any report on that concert that mentions this. One piece says that, because Johnson had just died, Bill Broonzy replaced him for the concert. But nothing about a phonograph. K? Others?
I guess Vanguard released a 3 CD set of the concert in 1999. I think I'll get that (though the contents list on Amazon doesn't show any song I recognize as one Johnson did).
I guess Vanguard released a 3 CD set of the concert in 1999. I think I'll get that (though the contents list on Amazon doesn't show any song I recognize as one Johnson did).
stephanpi...@gmail.com
Sep 17, 2017, 9:58:24 PM9/17/17
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 6:34:27 PM UTC-7, Willie wrote:
It was John H. Hammond (15 December 1910-10 July 1987) who had wanted Robert Johnson to play, but Mr Johnson had perished. All of what you write is true. John H. Hammond's son, John P. Hammond, in 1991 was the narrator for the fascinating documentary 'The search for Robert Johnson' (on DVD), where all of this is discussed, and contains interviews with Mr Johnson's surviving family (two sons and grandson), and Mr Johnson's lover, Willie Mae Powell.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
It was John H. Hammond (15 December 1910-10 July 1987) who had wanted Robert Johnson to play, but Mr Johnson had perished. All of what you write is true. John H. Hammond's son, John P. Hammond, in 1991 was the narrator for the fascinating documentary 'The search for Robert Johnson' (on DVD), where all of this is discussed, and contains interviews with Mr Johnson's surviving family (two sons and grandson), and Mr Johnson's lover, Willie Mae Powell.
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
khematite
Sep 17, 2017, 11:19:09 PM9/17/17
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On Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:34:27 UTC-4, Willie wrote:
> I listened to most of Saturday's (Sept 16) fascinating Radiolab show on the myth of the crossroads (e.g., Robert Johnson)--the show doesn't seem to be available yet on their site yet (http://www.radiolab.org/series/podcasts/)--and it contained something that I haven't been able to verify. It said that at his Spirituals to Swing concert at Carnegie Hall in 1938, John Hammond had tried to get Robert Johnson to play, but leaned that Johnson had recently died. The Radiolab show narrator said Hammond had ended the concert by wheeling a phonograph onstage and playing a Robert Johnson recording, leaving the audience stunned and applauding wildly. I can't find any report on that concert that mentions this. One piece says that, because Johnson had just died, Bill Broonzy replaced him for the concert. But nothing about a phonograph. K? Others?
>
> I guess Vanguard released a 3 CD set of the concert in 1999. I think I'll get that (though the contents list on Amazon doesn't show any song I recognize as one Johnson did).
In "The Delta Blues" (2008), Ted Gioia, the noted jazz critic, reports Hammond's having had a record player brought on stage at the concert and a spotlight shining on it as it played two Robert Johnson recordings: "Preachin' Blues (Up Jumped the Devil)" and "Walkin' Blues." Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of Gioia's book, so I don't know his source.
> I listened to most of Saturday's (Sept 16) fascinating Radiolab show on the myth of the crossroads (e.g., Robert Johnson)--the show doesn't seem to be available yet on their site yet (http://www.radiolab.org/series/podcasts/)--and it contained something that I haven't been able to verify. It said that at his Spirituals to Swing concert at Carnegie Hall in 1938, John Hammond had tried to get Robert Johnson to play, but leaned that Johnson had recently died. The Radiolab show narrator said Hammond had ended the concert by wheeling a phonograph onstage and playing a Robert Johnson recording, leaving the audience stunned and applauding wildly. I can't find any report on that concert that mentions this. One piece says that, because Johnson had just died, Bill Broonzy replaced him for the concert. But nothing about a phonograph. K? Others?
>
> I guess Vanguard released a 3 CD set of the concert in 1999. I think I'll get that (though the contents list on Amazon doesn't show any song I recognize as one Johnson did).
stephanpi...@gmail.com
Sep 18, 2017, 12:34:42 AM9/18/17
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ROBERT JOHNSON 8 May 1911-16 August 1938
Robert Johnson, 1990. The complete recordings, Columbia Records, 2 CDs + 47 page booklet [1-23, Stephen C. LaVere biography, 24-47 transcriptions of Robert Johnson]
Robert Johnson, 1999. Robert Johnson: the new transcriptions [by Pete Billmann] (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-199
Robert Johnson & Eric Clapton, 2004. Me & Mr Johnson [as recorded by Mr Clapton, music transcriptions by Pete Billmann & Jeff Jacobson] (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-102
Robert Johnson, 2011. The Centennial Collection, Columbia Legacy + 27 page booklet [Stephen C. Lavere biography, Ted Gioia essay]
Peter Guralnick, 1989, Searching for Robert Johnson (E.P. Dutton), 1-83 [Mack McCormack's research]
Steve Gabarino, 1992. Video previews: "The search for Robert Johnson". Billboard 104(33):62
Tom Freeland, 1998. Robert Johnson NOT on film. Living Blues #142:11
Gayle Wardlow & Edward M. Komara, 1998. Chasin' that devil music: searching for the blues (Miller Freeman Books), 1-271 + audio CD
Tom Freeland, 2000. Robert Johnson: some witnesses to a short life. Living Blues #150:43-49
Barry Lee Pearson & Bill McCulloch, 2003. Robert Johnson lost & found (Univ. Illinois Press), 1-142
Patricia R. Schroeder, 2004. Robert Johnson, mythmaking, & contemporary American culture (Univ. Illinois Press), 1-192
Elijah Wald, 2004. Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson & the invention of the blues (Amistad/HarperCollins), 1-342
Edward M. Komara, 2007. The road to Robert Johnson: the genesis & evolution of blues in the Delta from the late 1930s through 1938 (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-91
Frank Diacomo, 2008. Portrait of a phantom--searching for Robert Johnson. Vanity Fair # 579
Ted Gioia, 2008. Delta blues: the life & times of the Mississippi masters who revolutionized American music (W.W. Norton), 1-449
Tom Graves, 2008. Crossroads: the life & afterlife of blues legend Robert Johnson (Demers Books), 1-133
Allen Greenberg, 2012. Love in vain: a vision of Robert Johnson (Univ. Minnesota Press), 1-241
Robert Johnson, 1990. The complete recordings, Columbia Records, 2 CDs + 47 page booklet [1-23, Stephen C. LaVere biography, 24-47 transcriptions of Robert Johnson]
Robert Johnson, 1999. Robert Johnson: the new transcriptions [by Pete Billmann] (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-199
Robert Johnson & Eric Clapton, 2004. Me & Mr Johnson [as recorded by Mr Clapton, music transcriptions by Pete Billmann & Jeff Jacobson] (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-102
Robert Johnson, 2011. The Centennial Collection, Columbia Legacy + 27 page booklet [Stephen C. Lavere biography, Ted Gioia essay]
Peter Guralnick, 1989, Searching for Robert Johnson (E.P. Dutton), 1-83 [Mack McCormack's research]
Steve Gabarino, 1992. Video previews: "The search for Robert Johnson". Billboard 104(33):62
Tom Freeland, 1998. Robert Johnson NOT on film. Living Blues #142:11
Gayle Wardlow & Edward M. Komara, 1998. Chasin' that devil music: searching for the blues (Miller Freeman Books), 1-271 + audio CD
Tom Freeland, 2000. Robert Johnson: some witnesses to a short life. Living Blues #150:43-49
Barry Lee Pearson & Bill McCulloch, 2003. Robert Johnson lost & found (Univ. Illinois Press), 1-142
Patricia R. Schroeder, 2004. Robert Johnson, mythmaking, & contemporary American culture (Univ. Illinois Press), 1-192
Elijah Wald, 2004. Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson & the invention of the blues (Amistad/HarperCollins), 1-342
Edward M. Komara, 2007. The road to Robert Johnson: the genesis & evolution of blues in the Delta from the late 1930s through 1938 (Hal Leonard Corp.), 1-91
Frank Diacomo, 2008. Portrait of a phantom--searching for Robert Johnson. Vanity Fair # 579
Ted Gioia, 2008. Delta blues: the life & times of the Mississippi masters who revolutionized American music (W.W. Norton), 1-449
Tom Graves, 2008. Crossroads: the life & afterlife of blues legend Robert Johnson (Demers Books), 1-133
Allen Greenberg, 2012. Love in vain: a vision of Robert Johnson (Univ. Minnesota Press), 1-241
Just Kidding
Sep 18, 2017, 9:31:37 AM9/18/17
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https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
Willie
Sep 18, 2017, 10:55:09 AM9/18/17
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 11:19:09 PM UTC-4, khematite wrote:
> In "The Delta Blues" (2008), Ted Gioia, the noted jazz critic,
> reports Hammond's having had a record player brought on stage
> at the concert and a spotlight shining on it as it played two
> Robert Johnson recordings: "Preachin' Blues (Up Jumped the Devil)"
> and "Walkin' Blues." Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of
> Gioia's book, so I don't know his source.
Thanks, K. Must have been kinda eerie, especially "Preachin' Blues". And thanks JK, for the link.
> In "The Delta Blues" (2008), Ted Gioia, the noted jazz critic,
> reports Hammond's having had a record player brought on stage
> at the concert and a spotlight shining on it as it played two
> Robert Johnson recordings: "Preachin' Blues (Up Jumped the Devil)"
> and "Walkin' Blues." Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of
> Gioia's book, so I don't know his source.
stephanpi...@gmail.com
Sep 18, 2017, 11:19:57 AM9/18/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Just Kidding wrote:
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>
> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>
> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
Shalom & Boker tov...of course, there was no Robert Johnson participating. He had perished under still unclear circumstances 16 August 1938.
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>
> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>
> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
Just Kidding
Sep 18, 2017, 11:47:34 AM9/18/17
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT), stephanpi...@gmail.com
wrote:
>On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Just Kidding wrote:
>.
>>
>> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
>
>Shalom & Boker tov...of course, there was no Robert Johnson participating. He had perished under still unclear circumstances 16 August 1938.
Are you a fucking idiot? The Robert Johnson reference was to the OP's
comment about Hammond playing a RECORDING of Johnson during the show.
The Internet Archive recording I linked does not include that
RECORDING. Understand now?
wrote:
>On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Just Kidding wrote:
>.
>>
>> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
>
>Shalom & Boker tov...of course, there was no Robert Johnson participating. He had perished under still unclear circumstances 16 August 1938.
comment about Hammond playing a RECORDING of Johnson during the show.
The Internet Archive recording I linked does not include that
RECORDING. Understand now?
stephanpi...@gmail.com
Sep 18, 2017, 12:02:52 PM9/18/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 8:47:34 AM UTC-7, Just Kidding wrote:
> Are you a fucking idiot? The Robert Johnson reference was to the OP's
> comment about Hammond playing a RECORDING of Johnson during the show.
> The Internet Archive recording I linked does not include that
> RECORDING. Understand now?
Shalom & Boker tov...predictably being analretentive, you are distorting English. The fact John Hammond brought out a phonograph, playing Mr Johnson music in his absence, was witnessed and documented. Perhaps, you can discover why, on the recordings of the events, that segment was not presented, or, if not preserved, what happened to the original segment. I trust this does not place an overdue stress on your malnourished synapses.
> Are you a fucking idiot? The Robert Johnson reference was to the OP's
> comment about Hammond playing a RECORDING of Johnson during the show.
> The Internet Archive recording I linked does not include that
> RECORDING. Understand now?
Willie
Sep 18, 2017, 12:19:06 PM9/18/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:31:37 AM UTC-4, Just Kidding wrote:
> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>
> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
Wow, JK, this is wonderful. Thank you, and thanks to the person that made this wonderfully clean recording.
> You can listen to it here (no Robert Johnson):
>
> https://archive.org/details/AM_1971_04_11/AM_1971_04_11_A_ed.wav
Willie
Sep 18, 2017, 1:34:48 PM9/18/17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj0SuysaPWw
These cats were fabuloso.
Just Kidding
Sep 18, 2017, 4:58:38 PM9/18/17
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find lots of amazing stuff, like this:
https://archive.org/web/
Or these:
https://archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=creator
https://archive.org/details/oldtimeradio
https://archive.org/details/78rpm
Willie
Sep 18, 2017, 7:57:52 PM9/18/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-4, Just Kidding wrote:
> If you're not familiar with the archive, poke around a bit and you'll
> find lots of amazing stuff, like this:
> https://archive.org/web/
>
> Or these:
> https://archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=creator
> https://archive.org/details/oldtimeradio
> https://archive.org/details/78rpm
I was not familiar with this. Rather overwhelming. 15 petabytes. What are some things you've used this for? What might I find here that I wouldn't find via, say, Google Search? Is the idea that you find things not by searching, but by navigating and browsing? Is there a guide to using it (for dummies)? Off to watch Vietnam Part II.
> If you're not familiar with the archive, poke around a bit and you'll
> find lots of amazing stuff, like this:
> https://archive.org/web/
>
> Or these:
> https://archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=creator
> https://archive.org/details/oldtimeradio
> https://archive.org/details/78rpm
stephanpi...@gmail.com
Sep 18, 2017, 10:18:25 PM9/18/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:57:52 PM UTC-7, Willie wrote:
I am trying to track down if the phonograph playing of 2 songs by John H. Hammond is still in the Sony archives. It has been documented in the major biographies I have studied -- one unfortunately combining John H. Hammond with his son, although the latter did the fascinating programme 'The search for Robert Johnson' over 50 years later. During the 1974 tour, Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan' sometimes played either Robert Johnson or Hank Williams Sr over the venue loudspeakers. Johnson's guitar playing on the 42 known recordings resonates deeply within me. Biographer Tom Graves states there were 59 shipped to NYC, and in 2017 the whereabouts of the other 15 are unknown (nor listed in the Sony databases). Mr Graves also lists several 'lost' compositions by Robert Johnson covered by others.
I am trying to track down if the phonograph playing of 2 songs by John H. Hammond is still in the Sony archives. It has been documented in the major biographies I have studied -- one unfortunately combining John H. Hammond with his son, although the latter did the fascinating programme 'The search for Robert Johnson' over 50 years later. During the 1974 tour, Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan' sometimes played either Robert Johnson or Hank Williams Sr over the venue loudspeakers. Johnson's guitar playing on the 42 known recordings resonates deeply within me. Biographer Tom Graves states there were 59 shipped to NYC, and in 2017 the whereabouts of the other 15 are unknown (nor listed in the Sony databases). Mr Graves also lists several 'lost' compositions by Robert Johnson covered by others.
Earl Browder
Sep 19, 2017, 1:30:32 AM9/19/17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3u80z1qKo
NancyGene
Sep 19, 2017, 6:10:01 PM9/19/17
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:02:52 PM UTC,Stephan Jerkov Pickering wrote:
> Shalom & Boker tov...predictably being analretentive, you are distorting English.
You sure must have hated your job as a nurse's aide. Your postings betray what your duties were. Now you have to change your own diapers, so that's Karma for you.
> Shalom & Boker tov...predictably being analretentive, you are distorting English.
No one distorts English like you do. What's with "programme" and "colour" and other British spellings? You were born in Los Angeles, for cripes' sake. Or Mississippi.
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