PP&M "Too Much of Nothing"
Bill Arnold
>What was the exact date of this release?
>I'd always thought that the earliest post-accident songs to be heard
>were on "Music from Big Pink" and "Sweetheart of the Rodeo."
>Also, does the PPM version of "Too Much of Nothing" come before or
>after the version by Fotheringay?
One reply stated:
>Peter, Paul & Mary's version of this song was released in 1968
>on the album "Late Again," the same year a version by Spooky
>Tooth was released on their album "It's All About Spooky Tooth,"
>Fotheringay's self-titled album was released in 1970.
I previously had posted that I remembered that Peter, Paul and Mary
often had new releases in the fall each year. I checked my copy and had
not dated it, and there was no copyright info on it. However, Joel
Whitburn shows that the single of "Too Much of Nothing" entered the
Billboard charts on November 25, 1967. It peaked at #35, and stayed on
the charts for 7 weeks.
Chris Lee
>Billboard charts on November 25, 1967. It peaked at #35, and stayed on
>the charts for 7 weeks.
Semi-related: in their version of TMON, P P & M sing "Say hello to Marian" in
the chorus, instead of "Say hello to Vivian", which ruins the rhyme ("Marian"
does not rhyme with "oblivion"). I've always wondered why they changed it.
Manfred Mann also altered some of the lyrics in their (excellent) cover of "The
Mighty Quinn". Was this simply a case of mishearing the words on the acetate?
Did the performers think the original words were too "weird" and felt it was
their duty to change them? Or, perhaps maybe Bob himself did the lyrical
alterations! Yet another installment of "Unsolved Dylan Mysteries". (Time-Life
Books should put out a series devoted to them).
Christopher L.
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Peter Stone Brown
>
> > the single of "Too Much of Nothing" entered the
> >Billboard charts on November 25, 1967. It peaked at #35, and stayed on
> >the charts for 7 weeks.
>
> Semi-related: in their version of TMON, P P & M sing "Say hello to Marian" in
> the chorus, instead of "Say hello to Vivian", which ruins the rhyme ("Marian"
> does not rhyme with "oblivion"). I've always wondered why they changed it.
> Manfred Mann also altered some of the lyrics in their (excellent) cover of "The
> Mighty Quinn". Was this simply a case of mishearing the words on the acetate?
They didn't change it. On the original Basement Tapes that was sent
around to various performers, there was a different take where Dylan
sang "Marian."
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Jeff Klepper
like the interior rhyme PP&M created with 'Valerie,' 'Marion' and 'salary',
which is my guess as to why it was changed (if indeed it was.) Also don't
forget that Dylan and PP&M shared a manager at the time, so it was only
natural they got first crack at Bob's new stuff.
Jeff Klepper
Chris Lee
> Semi-related: in their version of TMON, P P & M sing "Say hello to Marian"
>in
>> the chorus, instead of "Say hello to Vivian", which ruins the rhyme
>("Marian"
>> does not rhyme with "oblivion"). I've always wondered why they changed it.
Peter Stone Brown wrote:
>They didn't change it. On the original Basement Tapes that was sent
>around to various performers, there was a different take where Dylan
>sang "Marian."
>
Hmm. To make sure I double-checked the two takes on the Genuine Basement Tapes,
and it still sounds to me like Dylan's sings "Vivian" on both of them. Maybe
I'm just used to hearing it that way. On the take that I believe was included
on the original Basement acetate, I can hear where it might be mistaken as
"Marian" but it still sounds more like "Vivian". On the other take (the one
that Mr. Robertson overdubbed for the "official" album), it's more clearly
"Vivian". Since both takes are in mono, it's hard to be certain. Between this
and the whole "bounding bank"/"Tiny Montgomery" controversy, I suppose we'll
never completely comprehend the Basement Tapes lyrics, we can only sit back,
gaze in wonder, and try our hardest.
(Huh?)
Lloyd Fonvielle
Peter Stone Brown wrote:
> . . . in their version of TMON, P P & M sing "Say hello to Marian" in
> > the chorus, instead of "Say hello to Vivian", which ruins the rhyme ("Marian"
> > does not rhyme with "oblivion"). I've always wondered why they changed it.
> > Manfred Mann also altered some of the lyrics in their (excellent) cover of "The
> > Mighty Quinn". Was this simply a case of mishearing the words on the acetate?
>
> They didn't change it. On the original Basement Tapes that was sent
> around to various performers, there was a different take where Dylan
> sang "Marian."
Has the acetate of the complete original demo ever showed up intact on a boot?
Alan Fraser
says...
It was pointed out here some time ago that "Vivian" and "Valerie" were the
two wives of T S Eliot (as in "Tom & Viv").
Alan
nate
>>>Billboard charts on November 25, 1967. It peaked at #35, and stayed on
>>>the charts for 7 weeks.
>>
>>the chorus, instead of "Say hello to Vivian", which ruins the rhyme ("Marian"
>>does not rhyme with "oblivion"). I've always wondered why they changed it.
>>Manfred Mann also altered some of the lyrics in their (excellent) cover of
>>"The Mighty Quinn". Was this simply a case of mishearing the words on the
>>acetate?
>They didn't change it. On the original Basement Tapes that was sent
>around to various performers, there was a different take where Dylan
>sang "Marian."
>Peter Stone Brown
hey, there was a different thread that we shiould consider, the one
titled
Peter Paul & Mary #2
here is Don Freeman's post. note the last sentence. perhaps the demo
she got had this "Marian" version:
From: don freeman <dfr...@home.com>
Subject: Peter Paul & Mary #2
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:56:43 GMT
And who could forget Peter Paul & Mary's stunning version of "Too Much
of Nothing?" This was the first heard song of Bob Dylan since the
motorcycle accident. Peter Paul & Mary were not only given the honour of
doing the first post-accident cover song, Mary was allowed to be
self-referential and put her own name into the song.
perhaps Mary Travers name is actually Marian Travers?
- nate
KReilly
You use this word a lot. Does it have some technical meaning I'm unaware of?
jac...@my-deja.com
Alan Fraser <alan....@cwcom.net> wrote:
>
> It was pointed out here some time ago that "Vivian" and "Valerie" were
the
> two wives of T S Eliot (as in "Tom & Viv").
>
> Alan
I think it was also pointed out at the time that Vivienne Eliot spent
1930-47 in a mental institution. "Send them all my salary/On the waters
of oblivion" conveys pretty well what it must have felt like for T.S. to
be paying the costs of that institutionalization.
And isn't "too much of nothing" a pretty good description of a
wasteland?
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