Dylan was depressed for Time Out of Mind?
really real
have guessed?
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bob-dylan-lyrics-reveal-faith-depression-53112/
This article says that Dylan's divorce from his Christian back up
singer, whom he had a daughter with, was at the heart of his depression.
And here I thought that Dylan was just depressed about getting old,
losing his health, losing his voice, losing his song=writing prowess,
and about the world going wrong.
I hope Dylan took some of those psycho-active drugs to make him happy
again. I see the number of Americans taking these drugs has doubled in
the last decade.
Love and Theft is definitely more upbeat. Problems solved?
gemjack
wrote:
>Dylan was depressed when he wrote the songs for Time Out of Mind? Who'd
>have guessed?
>
>
>http://www.christianpost.com/news/bob-dylan-lyrics-reveal-faith-depression-53112/
>
>This article says that Dylan's divorce from his Christian back up
>singer, whom he had a daughter with, was at the heart of his depression.
Let's see.
Bob Dylan marries a Christian singer-surrenders to Christianity-puts
out shiat material for about a decade-gets divorced-becomes world
recognized artist again producing high-quality material. Should they
have divorced earlier or not gotten married?
-gj
really real
>
> Bob Dylan marries a Christian singer-surrenders to Christianity-puts
> out shiat material for about a decade-gets divorced-becomes world
> recognized artist again producing high-quality material. Should they
> have divorced earlier or not gotten married?
Didn't he marry the Christian after he succumbed to Christianity?
BOTT came after a breakup and showed how good music could be once one
got beyond the marital bliss stage.
UTRS came after the breakup and had songs written to his 3 year old
daughter, showing how bad a breakup album could be.
Depression seems to go both ways on the creative process, either causing
a writers block or creating great music. At least, that was the way it
was before people started whining
gemjack
wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob Dylan marries a Christian singer-surrenders to Christianity-puts
>> out shiat material for about a decade-gets divorced-becomes world
>> recognized artist again producing high-quality material. Should they
>> have divorced earlier or not gotten married?
>
>
>Didn't he marry the Christian after he succumbed to Christianity?
Maybe, but one doesn't fall in love on their wedding day, there's
usually some degree of foreplay.
I've always felt as though he was completely lost after Sara, and
throw in the changing music scene and his age and it's easy to see how
he could run into the arms of a fix-all religion. The excessive
mascara in 79 was a tip-off to his desperation.
>
>BOTT came after a breakup and showed how good music could be once one
>got beyond the marital bliss stage.
They did recover though after this, for a while.
>UTRS came after the breakup and had songs written to his 3 year old
>daughter, showing how bad a breakup album could be.
True, but after the breakup with Carolyn Dennis he was in the
restrictive mode of christianity, he had no mental limitations with
his art while writing BOTT.
>Depression seems to go both ways on the creative process, either causing
>a writers block or creating great music. At least, that was the way it
>was before people started whining
Likely depends on the spirit of the artist.
-gj
really real
>> Didn't he marry the Christian after he succumbed to Christianity?
>
> Maybe, but one doesn't fall in love on their wedding day, there's
> usually some degree of foreplay.
Foreplay usually inspires good music. I see it as Dylan's Christian
Empire falling apart all around him and Dylan just running off with one
of the gospel singers.
> I've always felt as though he was completely lost after Sara, and
> throw in the changing music scene and his age and it's easy to see how
> he could run into the arms of a fix-all religion. The excessive
> mascara in 79 was a tip-off to his desperation.
It must be tough when you love someone more than love itself
>
>>
>> BOTT came after a breakup and showed how good music could be once one
>> got beyond the marital bliss stage.
>
> They did recover though after this, for a while.
A false recovery,
frinjdwelr
"gemjack" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpld37pv74vv26gic...@4ax.com...
>>> Bob Dylan marries a Christian singer-surrenders to Christianity-puts
>>> out shiat material for about a decade-gets divorced-becomes world
>>> recognized artist again producing high-quality material. Should they
>>> have divorced earlier or not gotten married?
>>
>>
>>Didn't he marry the Christian after he succumbed to Christianity?
>
> Maybe, but one doesn't fall in love on their wedding day, there's
> usually some degree of foreplay.
>
Carolyn Dennis was just the one the got pregnant. By all reports his
earlier relationships with Helena Springs, M.A. Artes and most especially
Clydie King, were more intense and even perhaps more significant. And there
were others before, during and after Dennis. It's only pointless
speculation to try to guess what caused whatever frame of mind whenever.
> I've always felt as though he was completely lost after Sara, and
> throw in the changing music scene and his age and it's easy to see how
> he could run into the arms of a fix-all religion. The excessive
> mascara in 79 was a tip-off to his desperation.
>
The excessive mascara was 78 and again in 84 and some of 87. Again,
interpreting his frame of mind and the reasons from afar is doomed. Why was
he wearing tank tops and long scarves in 86? Why did he stick with that
same black cowboy shirt all of 88?
>>
>>BOTT came after a breakup and showed how good music could be once one
>>got beyond the marital bliss stage.
>
> They did recover though after this, for a while.
>
>>UTRS came after the breakup and had songs written to his 3 year old
>>daughter, showing how bad a breakup album could be.
>
> True, but after the breakup with Carolyn Dennis he was in the
> restrictive mode of christianity, he had no mental limitations with
> his art while writing BOTT.
>
Except by 92 he'd already long ago shed the "restrictive" type christianity
scene and was thoroughly back into the sex, drugs and R&R life style. And
why did it take til 97 for all this divorce depression to show up?
Psychoanalysis takes a lot more information than is available to any of us
or the author of this book. It's foolish.
gemjack
<frinj...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>"gemjack" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:bpld37pv74vv26gic...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:22:36 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>
>>>> Bob Dylan marries a Christian singer-surrenders to Christianity-puts
>>>> out shiat material for about a decade-gets divorced-becomes world
>>>> recognized artist again producing high-quality material. Should they
>>>> have divorced earlier or not gotten married?
>>>
>>>
>>>Didn't he marry the Christian after he succumbed to Christianity?
>>
>> Maybe, but one doesn't fall in love on their wedding day, there's
>> usually some degree of foreplay.
>>
>Carolyn Dennis was just the one the got pregnant. By all reports his
>earlier relationships with Helena Springs, M.A. Artes and most especially
>Clydie King, were more intense and even perhaps more significant. And there
>were others before, during and after Dennis. It's only pointless
>speculation to try to guess what caused whatever frame of mind whenever.
>
>> I've always felt as though he was completely lost after Sara, and
>> throw in the changing music scene and his age and it's easy to see how
>> he could run into the arms of a fix-all religion. The excessive
>> mascara in 79 was a tip-off to his desperation.
>>
>The excessive mascara was 78 and again in 84 and some of 87.
Yeah, but did they match the racoon-eyed-style of 78-79? Either way,
when someone dolls up their eyes, they want to be noticed, looked at,
thought of as pretty, considered relevant. I wasn't being too serious
about this btw.
>Again,
>interpreting his frame of mind and the reasons from afar is doomed. Why was
>he wearing tank tops and long scarves in 86?
Easy. T'was the style at the time. He wanted to look hip. I wonder
if somewhere there's a picture of him wearing a 'Relax' t-shirt.
>Why did he stick with that
>same black cowboy shirt all of 88?
Clearly something to do with the devil.
>>>
>>>BOTT came after a breakup and showed how good music could be once one
>>>got beyond the marital bliss stage.
>>
>> They did recover though after this, for a while.
>>
>>>UTRS came after the breakup and had songs written to his 3 year old
>>>daughter, showing how bad a breakup album could be.
>>
>> True, but after the breakup with Carolyn Dennis he was in the
>> restrictive mode of christianity, he had no mental limitations with
>> his art while writing BOTT.
>>
>Except by 92 he'd already long ago shed the "restrictive" type christianity
>scene and was thoroughly back into the sex, drugs and R&R life style.
I wouldn't say he'd shed it completely, he was just wanting his cake
and to eat it too.
> And
>why did it take til 97 for all this divorce depression to show up?
He had been writing those songs for a while. And if this is all true,
there could have been a degree of repression that took a while to
surface - likely when he started writing again.
>Psychoanalysis takes a lot more information than is available to any of us
>or the author of this book. It's foolish.
There ya go, taking all the fun out of it.....
-gj
Brother Jumbo
> Dylan was depressed when he wrote the songs for Time Out of Mind? Who'd
> have guessed?
>
>
> This article says that Dylan's divorce from his Christian back up
> singer, whom he had a daughter with, was at the heart of his depression.
This is a very silly article on so many counts it's hard to know where
to start.
Temporary Like Achilles
> Dylan was depressed when he wrote the songs for Time Out of Mind? Who'd
> have guessed?
So ... you agree with this "diagnosis"? You just aren't sure about
the cause of the depression? Hmmm ... That's very interesting.
Please go on ...
Temporary Like Achilles
> have guessed?
Hmmm ... so you agree with this "diagnosis" from someone who has never
spoken with Dylan? Interesting ... Yes ... Please, explore that
further. We still have some time ...
nate
It's really not worth the exploration....
RR was doing a good sarcasm here on the guy. Yes he was depressed.
And also not - people change quicker than week by week. A big so
what. The illness was still undiagnosed for some of the songs in
development way before the recording sessions. It's kinda like "Duh.
Not very useful information." Was it a clinical depression? Who
knows? Depressions don't have to be clinical.
The guy thought it was something important to say.
- nate