Bob Dylan/Phil Lesh late fall tour
Bill Pagel
October and November 1999
The tour is being billed as Bob Dylan and Phil Lesh & Friends
Reportedly the tour will start in late October
and go through November.
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Bill Pagel
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Joy
>
> This following information has not been 100% confirmed.
>
> October and November 1999
> The tour is being billed as Bob Dylan and Phil Lesh & Friends
> Reportedly the tour will start in late October
> and go through November.
>
> ******************************************************************
>
> More information as it becomes available will be posted on
> the Bob Links Tour Infomation page located at:
> http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/dates.html
>
> Bob Links Main Page:
> http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/boblink.html
>
> Bill Pagel
Interesting! I looked up setlists for Phil Lesh and Friends' recent
concerts ('98 - '99), and they have included such Dylan songs as:
Like A Rolling Stone, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like Tom Thumb
Blues, and Mr. Tambourine Man in addition to other songs he performs
such as Alabama Getaway, Not Fade Away, and Friend of The Devil. Will
Bob have to pull some new (other) songs out of his big bag?
Joy
Jeff Knorek
Have heard that Phil & Friends shows sell out almost immediately.
Jeff Knorek
jkn...@msen.com
JefBaldwin
associate himself with the Grateful Dead??? Dylan is the essence of
greatness, while the Dead are compentent at best. When Dylan toured with
the Grateful Dead in 1987, he was at probably the absolute low point in his
career. So, I guess I can understand why he might have been willing to tour
with those relics of hippiedom. But Dylan is at a new high-point in his
career, so for him to further any association with the mediocrity of the
Dead is inexplicable. And, to top it all off, you say that tickets for Phil
Lesh shows sell out quickly?? My god, I've always felt Deadheads were lame,
but if they all want tickets to see just the bassist...well, that is beyond
lame. After all, the guy wasn't a particulary good bassist. Basically,
what ticks me off about Dylan being associated with the Dead is the fact
that the Dead aren't popular or known for their music (although I will admit
that they wrote one decent song---Friend Of The Devil). Their main appeal
comes from their image as the band of choice for pot-heads. Basically, the
Grateful Dead are marijuana music and not much more. Dylan, on the other
hand, is sooo much more than just music for pot-heads. Despite what Dylan
may have done in regards to drugs, I don't like the idea of those drugs
being associated to any large extent with his music. Also, somebody made a
comment about the possibility of shows for a tour by Dylan with Phil Lesh
being at Dylan/Simon prices. They better not cost any more than Dylan's
usual 30-40 bucks. I mean, Simon may be an inferior talent than Dylan, but
at least he is a somebody---as opposed to Phil Lesh, who is a nobody. Well,
that is my two cents. I hope I haven't made any enemies with by posting
this...bear in mind that it is only my worthless opinion. I know I probably
shouldn't give my e-mail address because I will get tons of mail from
Deadheads who don't like what I have written above. And, that I perfectly
understand. If somebody were to write the same stuff I wrote above, but
about Dylan, I would send an irate e-mail to the idiot and try to set him
straight. I'm sure many people will have a problem with my comment dealing
with my perception that the Dead aren't anything special musically. So,
bring on the flames! Oh, by the way, if anybody out there agrees with me
that Dylan should further himself from the Dead, let me know and we can
bitch about things together.
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>Have heard that Phil & Friends shows sell out almost immediately.
Actually it'll depend on the size of the venue, the cost of the tix, and who
"the Friends" are. When Phil played with Trey and Page from Phish as his
friends (along with Molo from Hornsby's band and the incredible Steve Kimock
from KVHW and Zero) at the Warfield in San Francisco, tix were gone in minutes.
Other shows such as Phil and Steve K. plus unknown side people at the Greek
Theater in Berkeley (next weekend) took longer to sell out. All these shows
were at a reasonable price. If Dylan and P & F tour big amphitheaters at
Zimmy-Simonesque prices I don't forsee any problem getting tix for people
willing to pay the price of money and close scruitiny of the onsale date.
Kipp Clark
Lesh and Phish put on a much better performance than Simon. I've heard
both recently, its no contest. This idea excites me more than Jewel, Ani
Difranco,
Joni Mitchell or Simon. Let's give Bob Credit for appreciating good music.
Who care about Grateful Dead fans, let's worry about the music....
Whw1990
schreibt:
>
>Interesting! I looked up setlists for Phil Lesh and Friends' recent
>concerts ('98 - '99), and they have included such Dylan songs as:
>Like A Rolling Stone, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like Tom Thumb
>Blues, and Mr. Tambourine Man in addition to other songs he performs
>such as Alabama Getaway, Not Fade Away, and Friend of The Devil. Will
>Bob have to pull some new (other) songs out of his big bag?
>
>Joy
>
heya, this sounds really interesting,
Phil and friends playing all these Bob-tunes,
so he might have to choose a few other seldom played songs of his own...
anyone has an idea *where* this tour will take place?
ev'ry day is a winding road
WHW Marion Saalborn
Mike Willour
much snippage
>Interesting! I looked up setlists for Phil Lesh and Friends' recent
>concerts ('98 - '99), and they have included such Dylan songs as:
>Like A Rolling Stone, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like Tom Thumb
>Blues, and Mr. Tambourine Man in addition to other songs he performs
>such as Alabama Getaway, Not Fade Away, and Friend of The Devil. Will
>Bob have to pull some new (other) songs out of his big bag?
We can only hope so!!! Maybe they'll hang out and write some new
stuff together if we're really lucky.
Jay Clark
you can go to
http://internettrash.com/users/philzone/philbase.html or
http://www.otherones.net/phil.html
and check out who's been in these groups. Basically
it's Lesh on bass, Steve Kimock on guitar, and
a varying other guitarist (Warren Haynes,
Jorma Kaukonen, Trey Anastasio, Bob Weir),
keyboardist, and drummer.
Musically these guys are monsters (a 2-CD of the Jorma/Kimock
shows just came out, and a 10-CD of the Trey/Kimock shows
is in the works) -- the weakness is usually vocals.
A big fan of both Dylan & Lesh wondered aloud if
mailorder tickets would come with special earphones
that filter out vocals... 8) - Jay
JefBaldwin wrote:
>
> Good God, what the hell is Dylan thinking??? Why does he continue to
> associate himself with the Grateful Dead???
<snip>
Joy
>
> Im Artikel <37B45B...@pilot.infi.net>, Joy <jmu...@pilot.infi.net>
> schreibt:
>
> >
> >concerts ('98 - '99), and they have included such Dylan songs as:
> >Like A Rolling Stone, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like Tom Thumb
> >Blues, and Mr. Tambourine Man in addition to other songs he performs
> >such as Alabama Getaway, Not Fade Away, and Friend of The Devil. Will
> >Bob have to pull some new (other) songs out of his big bag?
> >
> >
>
> heya, this sounds really interesting,
> Phil and friends playing all these Bob-tunes,
> so he might have to choose a few other seldom played songs of his own...
>
> anyone has an idea *where* this tour will take place?
>
> ev'ry day is a winding road
> WHW Marion Saalborn
I guess there *is* that possibility that Bob Dylan will play *with* Phil
Lesh and friends instead of as a separate act. Hmmm...hmmm...hmmm...
Joy
Jeff Knorek
> After all, the guy [Phil Lesh] wasn't a particulary good bassist.
I respectfully disagree. At the risk of sounding cliche', Man, you just
HAD to be there! When the sound guys were doing their job, Phil Lesh
was really high in the mix, and could drop huuuuge fat bombs on you. I
know you don't much care for the Dead's music, but within their context
he was the best guy to play bass for that band.
I wouldn't want to see Phil Lesh replace Tony Garnier for all the weed
in Jamaica, but he is a very good bassist. Get yourself to a good sound
system and play a half-speed master of _American Beauty_ and you can
hear what I am talking about.
Regards-
Jeff Knorek
jkn...@msen.com
Pete Oppel
jmu...@pilot.infi.net writes:
<< I looked up setlists for Phil Lesh and Friends' recent
concerts ('98 - '99), and they have included such Dylan songs as:
Like A Rolling Stone, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like Tom Thumb
Blues, and Mr. Tambourine Man in addition to other songs he performs
such as Alabama Getaway, Not Fade Away, and Friend of The Devil. Will
Bob have to pull some new (other) songs out of his big bag?
>>
Not necessarily, but Phil Lesh and Friends might have to.
Pete Oppel
jefba...@aol.com writes:
<< Why does he continue to
associate himself with the Grateful Dead??? Dylan is the essence of
greatness, while the Dead are compentent at best. >>
I said STOP these submissions. We already have a winner in "The Most Ignorant
Post of the Year" contest.
Mark Henteleff
JefBaldwin <jefba...@aol.com> wrote:
>Good God, what the hell is Dylan thinking??? Why does he continue to
>associate himself with the Grateful Dead??? Dylan is the essence of
>the Grateful Dead in 1987, he was at probably the absolute low point in his
>career. So, I guess I can understand why he might have been willing to tour
>with those relics of hippiedom. But Dylan is at a new high-point in his
>career, so for him to further any association with the mediocrity of the
>Dead is inexplicable. And, to top it all off, you say that tickets for Phil
>Lesh shows sell out quickly?? My god, I've always felt Deadheads were lame,
....blah, blah, blah, and so on. The songs of Garcia and Hunter are
among a select pantheon of great modern american folk music. the
Grateful Dead's music is arguably the most misunderstood of it's
time....both my fanatics and naysayers. Phil Lesh is a phenomenal
musician. He also wrote Box of Rain (with Hunter), a great song
by any standards.
"don't criticize what you can't understand"
Mark H.
TBoneFrank
>JefBaldwin <jefba...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Good God, what the hell is Dylan thinking??? Why does he continue to
>>associate himself with the Grateful Dead??? Dylan is the essence of
>>greatness, while the Dead are compentent at best. When Dylan toured with
>>the Grateful Dead in 1987, he was at probably the absolute low point in his
>>career. So, I guess I can understand why he might have been willing to tour
>>with those relics of hippiedom. But Dylan is at a new high-point in his
>>career, so for him to further any association with the mediocrity of the
>>Dead is inexplicable. And, to top it all off, you say that tickets for Phil
>>Lesh shows sell out quickly?? My god, I've always felt Deadheads were lame,
>
How ignorant can you be? It is fortunate that some of the Grateful Dead's
"essence" and "greatness" did rub off on Dylan.
Dylan and the Dead was a definite high point for Dylan no matter what
prejudices you have for the Dead. Dylan rediscovered his songs and music
through his association with the Dead. They resurrected a new soul in Dylan.
A soul that has been flying high since that fabulous year with the Dead in '87.
His alternating setlists and spontaneous jamming are just some of the things
attributed to his love for what the Dead were.
Be grateful and respectful what the Dead did for Dylan and stop trying to give
critiques about things you no grasp of. It's sad that you never got to hear
Dylan cover Friend Of The Devil, Alabama Getaway, Minglewood Blues, Shake
Sugaree, West LA Fade Away, Not Fade Away (The Dead's arrangement of it) Or
even the great Dylan covers the Dead have performed.
Unfortunately you have no concept of what their union meant. Just a little boy
lost who takes himself so seriously.
TbF
Rick4Ro
Bobluvver
Phil and friends playing all these Bob-tunes,
so he might have to choose a few other seldom played songs of his own...
anyone has an idea *where* this tour will take place? >>
This has no basis in fact, inside info, ect--but my vote is for Toronto,
Canada-
Ain't that right angel?
"and the silent night will shatter from the sounds inside my mind" dylan
paul williams
heard him do was a Fred Neil tune called "I've Got A Secret," which contains
the line "didn't we shake, Sugaree?" It also contains the line "I even tried
to sell myself, but I got down so ashamed," which brings to mind the rumor
that he may have turned tricks as a homosexual prostitute in his early days
in NYC. "Minglewood Blues" was originally done by Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers,
BTW.
John Schaible
news:9346153...@www.remarq.com...
> Good God, what the hell is Dylan thinking??? Why does he continue to
> associate himself with the Grateful Dead??? Dylan is the essence of
> greatness, while the Dead are compentent at best. When Dylan toured with
> the Grateful Dead in 1987, he was at probably the absolute low point in
his
> career. So, I guess I can understand why he might have been willing to
tour
> with those relics of hippiedom. But Dylan is at a new high-point in his
> career, so for him to further any association with the mediocrity of the
> Dead is inexplicable. And, to top it all off, you say that tickets for
Phil
> Lesh shows sell out quickly?? My god, I've always felt Deadheads were
lame,
beyond
> lame. After all, the guy wasn't a particulary good bassist. Basically,
> what ticks me off about Dylan being associated with the Dead is the fact
> that the Dead aren't popular or known for their music (although I will
admit
> that they wrote one decent song---Friend Of The Devil). Their main appeal
> comes from their image as the band of choice for pot-heads. Basically,
the
> Grateful Dead are marijuana music and not much more. Dylan, on the other
> hand, is sooo much more than just music for pot-heads. Despite what Dylan
> may have done in regards to drugs, I don't like the idea of those drugs
> being associated to any large extent with his music. Also, somebody made
a
You, sir, are an idiot. It is quite clear you have no idea what you are
talking about, either with regard to the Dead, their musicianship or their
fans. The reason Dylan associates himself with the Grateful Dead is simple:
he respects and admires their vision and considerable talent and has a great
affinity for their music. Saying the Dead were, "competent at best" is like
saying Dylan is a mediocre lyricist at best. What a ridiculous statement.
Your complete lack of understanding of music (American music in particular)
and musicianship totally invalidates any legitimate points you may have had.
Dylan and the Dead are kindred spirits with many of the same roots in
traditional and folk music. I suggest you educate yourself before you post
again on a subject you obviously know nothing about.
Dylan on Garcia:
"There's no way to measure his greatness or magnitude as a person or as a
player. I don't think eulogizing will do him justice. He was that great -
much more than a superb musician with an uncanny ear and dexterity. He is
the very spirit personified of whatever is muddy river country at it's core
and screams up into the spheres. He really had no equal.
To me, he wasn't only a musician and friend, he was more like a big brother
who taught and showed me more than he'll ever know. There are a lot of
spaces and advances between the Carter family, Buddy Holly and, say, Ornette
Coleman, a lot of universes, but he filled them all without being a member
of any school. His playing was moody, awesome, sophisticated, hypnotic and
subtle. There's no way to convey the loss. It just digs down really deep."
JefBaldwin
music and culture? They may have been important to your life and the lives
of other Deadheads, but on a larger scheme they did very little (besides
maybe promote never-ending jamming). A few decades from now, when things
have been given a chance to settle, The Dead will be grouped with bands like
Jefferson Airplane---bands popular at their time, but of little impact and
merely a footnote in the history of American music. Dylan, The Rolling
Stones, The Beatles, Neil Young, Van Morrison, and many others are in a
class far far above The Dead (and I am aware that many of those groups are
British, but they still had a much much greater impact in America than the
Dead). And, I may not be very knowledgeable about American music, but I
doubt you know much more than I do. Like me, you are relying on your
personal taste to be your guide, not a vast background in the history of
American music. So, lets not be petty.
Jeff Knorek
>
> Did Dylan actually perform the Garcia tune, "Sugaree?"
No.
JK
Timothy Herrick
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:08:07 -0800
From: JefBaldwin <jefba...@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan/Phil Lesh late fall tour
>Do you seriously believe that The Dead were an important part of American
>music and culture? They may have been important to your life and the lives
>of other Deadheads, but on a larger scheme they did very little (besides
>maybe promote never-ending jamming). A few decades from now, when things
>have been given a chance to settle, The Dead will be grouped with bands like
>Jefferson Airplane---bands popular at their time, but of little impact and
>merely a footnote in the history of American music. Dylan, The Rolling
>Stones, The Beatles, Neil Young, Van Morrison, and many others are in a
>class far far above The Dead (and I am aware that many of those groups are
>British, but they still had a much much greater impact in America than the
>Dead). And, I may not be very knowledgeable about American music, but I
>doubt you know much more than I do. Like me, you are relying on your
>personal taste to be your guide, not a vast background in the history of
>American music. So, lets not be petty.
THIS IS UTTER BULLSHIT. I AM SICK OF READING BAD SHIT ABOUT THE GRATEFUL DEAD
ON THIS NEWS GROUP.
The dead will be remembered, along with THE BAND, CREDENCE, BYRDS and ALLMAN
BROTHERS, as a guitar based group who wrote great songs about America as a
broken family. Okay, maybe the byrds did a lot of covers and this statement
refers to their latter work, and the allmans may not have written a lot of
great songs with deep meanings but played them well, but the dead are as good
as the band song writing wise. JACK STRAW IS AS IMPORTANT, INTENSE AND
INTELLECTUALLY ADEPT SONG AS KING HARVEST.
THE dead also did more covers, and introduced listeners to a wider array of
american song than the stones or van morrison. Like them guys, the dead did
blues covers and maybe they didn’t do the blues like the stones, but they
also did woody gutherie and elizabeth cotton. And no one can jam like the
dead, except for maybe coltraine or coleman hawkins. I would rather have a
bad dead jam than a supposed good one by like marivishnu orchestra, or
fucking cream, who just reycled blues riffs ad naseum.
And the Jefferson airplaine were great, and they influenced X, Hole and
nearly any of the few rock bands where the female singer was equal to the
male singer.
THE BEATLES are the ones who are going to be remembered for being popular,
for being more popular than any group, that made fame a different sort of
meaning and whose popularity was personal for their fans.
During their 90s period, the dead did some great beatles covers by the way.
Anyway, the dead have a handful, maybe more than a handful, of simply great
songs. AND THOSE SONGS ARE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN ANY BAND, VAN MORRISON
OR NEIL YOUNG SONG. OR BEATLE TUNE FOR THAT MATTER.
IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS IS TRUE, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
AND YOUR ANTI-HIPPIE BIAS HAS TAINTED YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
MAYBE THE JAMS ARE NOT YOUR CUP OF ELECTRIC KOOLAID, AND MAYBE THE DEAD PUT
OUT A COUPLE OF BAD RECORDS, BUT SONGS LIKE FRIEND OF THE DEVIL, BROWN EYED
WOMEN, BROKENDOWN PALACE, DIRE WOLF, BLACK PETER, MR. CHARLEY, JIMMY ROW,
WHARF RAT, THOSE ARE AS AMERICAN AS FAULKNER, IN MANY WAYS THE SONG WRITING
EQUIVELANT OF FAULKNER OR NELSON ALGERN OR A BUNCH OF OTHER FOLKS.
AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, NEIL YOUNG AND VAN MORRISON AGREE.
But there has been a long tradition of ant-dead sentiment among the bobcats,
mainly perpetuated by the likes of john bauldie and clinton heylin. But screw
em.
Two things—can some one please repost the original release about the phil
lesh and dylan tour, I missed it
also, the man behind dick picks, dick latvia, died last week or the week
before. Very sad.
Marc Blaker
They will play together and separately. No dates or venues
yet.
Got this first-hand from GD management on Sat.
Marc
Ricky Cobb
>of simply great songs. AND THOSE SONGS ARE AS
>GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN ANY BAND, VAN MORRISON OR NEIL
>YOUNG SONG. OR BEATLE TUNE FOR THAT
>MATTER.
Okay, let's not go comparing the Greatful Dead favorably to
the Beatles. Make whatever points you wish, but this is
descending into outright foolishness.
Best,
Ricky
Spflpete
For all of us that "hear" the Deads music,and there are many, this tour
will be a real happening.
I'm a Bob fan and I can see him enjoying
this show. I think Bob is the kind of
person who picks up vibes very easily.
Have you ever been to a Dead concert?
enough said.
I'm sure both sides will pick up some
fans. My kids favorite Dead Song
U.S. Blues
Paula
nlun...@uni-one.nl
Sugaree'. Sounds like the one!
Regards, Hans.
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray." - Bob
Dylan
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Joe_Cox
been a fairly respected member of RMD (Except for the time
I thought Cat Stevens was a Buddhist monk :) ), I'm going
to have to make a personal stand here, step outside the
lines, and get myself bashed a few times. I don't like the
Dead. I really don't. I think they are possibly the most
overrated phenomenon of the 60s. Well, except for Donovan :)
(Actually, I kinda like Donovan!) I'm glad that Dylan
figured out how to have fun again whilst touring with
Garcia and Co., but frankly I don't really care for their
music and I probably never will. The Dead marketed the Hell
out of a counterculture identity, while playing some nice
rambling mediocre music. Ask all the 17 year old kids with
the Garcia bears plastered on the backs of their cars. Dare
them to name three Dead songs. They can't. I know; I've
asked. I also don't particularly care for Dylan associating
himself with them, but my first concern on those lines is
whatever makes Bob productive and happy; and the Dead
connection certainly seems to have done so. I don't
particularly want to see Phil Lesh, but then again I'd
really like to just see Bob with no opener, no twin bill,
just Bob and his band. I'll give Lesh a try; it can't be
more out-of-place that Paul Simon. Although come to think
of it, I enjoyed Simon's stuff somewhat. I'd have enjoyed
it a lot more if it hadn't driven ticket prices into
obscene numbers. Anyhow, now that I'm out of the closet as
an anti-Dead person, you can feel free to bash me, curse
me, and ridicule me to no end. I don't really claim to pass
universal judgement on any of these things; it's just the
way I feel. But then again, nobody else can pass universal
judgement on anything either!
All the Best,
Joe
Jeff Knorek
Lesh in the same hall on the same night. THIS WILL BE WAY-FUN!!!
October/November is my favorite time of year to hit the road
and see Bob...that Lesh is going to be there is a bonus.
Jeff Knorek
jkn...@msen.com
jolnick
piggybank and check this out!
To have Phil playing anything with Bob again is fantastic. The
possibilities......
Joe
Marc Blaker
Marion Saalborn wrote:
>
> but they know already if it's gonna be in the US or overseas?
>
Given Phil's health I doubt he will be up to traveling overseas.
Phil had a liver transplant in Dec. That's why he's limited
this, his first tour since the operation, to a few (8)
western US gigs.
Marc
Marc Blaker
I wasn't clear about this. Phil Lesh & Friends are currently
touring with 4 "jam bands", Galactic, Govt. Mule, moe., &
String Cheese Incident.
> Marc
Eric Hildman Greene
Hey folks,
Have dates and locations been made public or is this still a
rumor?
Best,
Eric Greene
Peter L
>
>But there has been a long tradition of ant-dead sentiment among the
bobcats,
>mainly perpetuated by the likes of john bauldie and clinton heylin. But
screw
>em.
>
>before. Very sad.
I assume you don't know that John Bauldie also died not too long ago. As he
was held in high esteem by many on RMD, your 'screw em' comment is a little
insensitive. From what I've read on RMD I don't think many will care what
you say about Clinton Heylin ;-).
Mjs820
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>Marion Saalborn wrote:
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>> but they know already if it's gonna be in the US or overseas?
>>
>
>Given Phil's health I doubt he will be up to traveling overseas.
>Phil had a liver transplant in Dec. That's why he's limited
>this, his first tour since the operation, to a few (8)
>western US gigs.
>
>Marc
>
thanks, Marc,
and then?
with Paul Simon to Japan? :-)
Marion
Raymond Brown
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>Date: Tue, 17 August 1999 10:16 PM EDT
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Thank you, Bones.
Mike Marshall
>Let's not forget that Bob just toured with the hated Paul Simon.
Howwww doessss it feeeeeeel?
Feelin' groooooovey...
-Mike
mtu...@my-deja.com
ever. Sure Garcia was a great musician but that doesn't make a great
band. And as far as I'm concerned, they had a handful of decent songs
and that's it. I'd much rather see Dylan bring along a young up and
comer instead of retreads like Simon and Lesh.
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Park, or the 7-10 St. Louis? Thanks! Get back to me.
M.
mtu...@my-deja.com
What could Lesh possibly add that Dylan couldn't already handle on his
own or with his current touring band?
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DOconn3569
>own or with his current touring band?
Open your closed mind and think about that one for a moment......
Don
"Just another tricky day"
Seth Kulick
>The possibilities???
>
>What could Lesh possibly add that Dylan couldn't already handle on his
>own or with his current touring band?
Lesh is a unique bass player, and without the rest of the Dead dragging him
down, it will be fascinating to see what he can do with Dylan.
And I sure wouldn't mind hearing Bob sing Ripple, Mountains of the Moon,
or Box of Rain. Although he might choke on "believe if you need it, if you
don't just pass it on".
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Seth Kulick "The hypnotic splattered mist
University of Pennsylvania was slowly lifting" - Bob Dylan
sku...@linc.cis.upenn.edu http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~skulick/home.html
mtu...@my-deja.com
If it takes someone like Lesh or Simon to bring out originality in
Dylan than he's in a pretty sad shape. I honestly don't see the
opportunity for anything really exciting here except possibly Dylan
covering a few Dead songs (which would be a drag) Personally, I'd much
rather see him tour with a young up and coming band that has a
distinctive sound.
Did Simon, Mitchell or Morrison open up a flood of possibilities?
In article <19990825123042...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
docon...@aol.com (DOconn3569) wrote:
> >What could Lesh possibly add that Dylan couldn't already handle on
his
> >own or with his current touring band?
>
> Open your closed mind and think about that one for a moment......
>
> Don
>
> "Just another tricky day"
>
ron...@ix.netcom.com
>The possibilities???
>
>What could Lesh possibly add that Dylan couldn't already handle on his
>own or with his current touring band?
Being that Phil had a major role in crafting a number of songs in
Dylan's current repetoire (particularly Friend of The Devil), I'm sure
he might bring something to the table.
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Marc Blaker
mtu...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> If it takes someone like Lesh or Simon to bring out originality in
> Dylan than he's in a pretty sad shape. I honestly don't see the
> opportunity for anything really exciting here except possibly Dylan
> covering a few Dead songs (which would be a drag) Personally, I'd much
> rather see him tour with a young up and coming band that has a
> distinctive sound.
>
> Did Simon, Mitchell or Morrison open up a flood of possibilities?
>
Did Simon, Mitchell or Morrison actually play an entire set
of music with Bob? This is not merely a co-headlining tour
but rather a musical collaberation with Bob joining Phil for
a good portion of Phil's set. At least that's what the Lesh
organization folks told me when I asked for confirmation of
the tour rumours. I would be highly disappointed if they
only did a 15 min. "filler" set ala Dylan/Simon.
Marc
MrETramp
>rather see him tour with a young up and coming band that has a
>distinctive sound.
Several people have made comments along these lines. I can't say I would be
against that kind of tour, but I'd really love to see Bob hit the road with an
old master - like RJ Burnside, or Ralph Stanley, or Doc Watson, or someone like
that. Or an underappreciated vet like Guy Clark. Probably never happen, but
Bob seems to draw more inspiration from the old-timers and from deeply-rooted
songs. And nothing against the up-and-comers, but I'd rather see Bob throw
some tribute (and concert proceeds) the way of some of the folks who blazed the
way and who may not be around much longer.
David Bachman
mret...@aol.com
Jeff Knorek
But seeing Bob come out and do a few of his songs with Phil's band
would be interesting, and probably better than you think...and that is
where the possibilities lay.
Bob Dylan can only enhance Phil's set. Open your heart to this.
See you there-
Jeff Knorek
jkn...@msen.com
Joe_Cox
Ralph Stanley ANYDAY!
All the Best,
Joe
mtu...@my-deja.com
Rockr1
now, I am only 27, the fact that you even get the chance to see a legend like
this play is something you should really consider, and from what I can tell by
the performances over the past couple of years, this is like the second coming.
Just because Bob has toured night in and night out year after year, dont take
him for granted! Given his nature, I feel damn well blessed that after 40 some
odd years this man still gives us the opportunity to hear him play.
I dont care if he wants to tour with the Backstreet Boys, I would never for a
second consider complaining about who he tours with or what he wants to play,
just thank your lucky stars that he still does.
Joe
admires, not who WE want him to. Can't Bob be a fan also?
Paul Williams
was purported that there would be 30 minutes of "duets" every night. If
there's one thing I've learned from years of Bob shows, it's to do away
with all expectations, and just receive whatever he's willing to give us. I
hope I'm wrong; it's always interesting to see Bob perform in a different
context.
Marc Blaker wrote:
>Did Simon, Mitchell or Morrison actually play an entire set
>of music with Bob? This is not merely a co-headlining tour
>but rather a musical collaberation with Bob joining Phil for
>a good portion of Phil's set. At least that's what the Lesh
>organization folks told me when I asked for confirmation of
>the tour rumours. I would be highly disappointed if they
>only did a 15 min. "filler" set ala Dylan/Simon.
>
"Money may buy you a fine dog, but only love can make it wag its tail."
- Kinky Friedman
mtu...@my-deja.com
approval/disapproval.
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Dylan does?
In article <19990826111219...@ng-bk1.aol.com>,
Glynne Walley
death, Dylan decides to come back and collaborate with a member of the Dead.
I always had the impression that Bob's collaboration with the Dead was
mostly a collaboration with Jerry--it certainly seemed that they were the
ones who had the most in common musically. In fact I always wondered how
well he got on with the other members of the Dead. I seem to recall reading
none-too-positive comments about the '87 experience from Mickey Hart and Bob
Weir, for example (not that that would mean they weren't still buddies, of
course).
Anyway, it seemed that the customary way to break down what each member of
the Dead brought to the table (and I know this is an oversimplification) is
to say that Jerry brought the bluegrass/traditional music influence, while
Phil brought the weird-experimental music influence that manifested itself
in their wilder jams. (Not that Jerry was uninterested in the weird stuff,
of course.) And since it would seem logical to assume that the Dead's
traditionalist side resonated with Bob more than their esoteric side, I
admit I'm a bit surprised to find Bob contemplating a tour with Phil. What
it suggests to me is that either Bob was in fact more impressed by their
long jams and experimental stuff than I would have expected, or that he and
Phil were/are closer friends than I had thought. Either way, I think it's
kind of cool.
Maybe I'm reading way too much into it.
Glynne
np: Kinks: One For The Road
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DOconn3569
>it suggests to me is that either Bob was in fact more impressed by their
>long jams and experimental stuff than I would have expected, or that he and
>Phil were/are closer friends than I had thought. Either way, I think it's
>kind of cool.
>
I love them both, but think it's more related to putting additional fannies in
seats at the venues.
Kurt Schroeder
--Kurt
NP: Elvis, Suspicious Minds
>>> Glynne Walley <oldbol...@hotmail.com> 08/27 11:36 AM >>>
What I find interesting about this tour idea is that even after Jerry's
death, Dylan decides to come back and collaborate with a member of the Dead.
I always had the impression that Bob's collaboration with the Dead was
mostly a collaboration with Jerry--it certainly seemed that they were the
ones who had the most in common musically. In fact I always wondered how
well he got on with the other members of the Dead. I seem to recall reading
none-too-positive comments about the '87 experience from Mickey Hart and Bob
Weir, for example (not that that would mean they weren't still buddies, of
course).
Anyway, it seemed that the customary way to break down what each member of
the Dead brought to the table (and I know this is an oversimplification) is
to say that Jerry brought the bluegrass/traditional music influence, while
Phil brought the weird-experimental music influence that manifested itself
in their wilder jams. (Not that Jerry was uninterested in the weird stuff,
of course.) And since it would seem logical to assume that the Dead's
traditionalist side resonated with Bob more than their esoteric side, I
admit I'm a bit surprised to find Bob contemplating a tour with Phil. What
it suggests to me is that either Bob was in fact more impressed by their
long jams and experimental stuff than I would have expected, or that he and
Phil were/are closer friends than I had thought. Either way, I think it's
kind of cool.
Maybe I'm reading way too much into it.
TomK
You're right on:I posted this one time i think but back in '74 a friend who
worked for Capital Records said that he heard "from a reliable source" (whatever
that is) that bob took up hanging in gay bars for a while and I asked if he was
gay. He said no, but that he was interested in gay people for whatever reason he
had which I don't know. It seemed according to my friend that bob just wanted to
see for his own edification. I was brought up in a home where the issue of race
never was brought up as an issue, humans were humans and when the 60's hit I
didn't know other caucasians didn't like african americans:-) Of course now i
know they don't but it was a shock. Same, I think with gays? I don't picture
many gay hangouts in Hibbing in the '50s- did I make myself clear?
--
Tom
"half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
"Rip down all hate," I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull. I dreamed
Romantic facts of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now"-dylan
TomK
> >What
> >it suggests to me is that either Bob was in fact more impressed by their
> >long jams and experimental stuff than I would have expected, or that he and
> >Phil were/are closer friends than I had thought. Either way, I think it's
> >kind of cool.
> >
>
> I love them both, but think it's more related to putting additional fannies in
> seats at the venues.
>
> Don
>
> "Just another tricky day"
ROTFLMAO
--
Tom
"I already assumed
That we're in the felony room
But I ain't a judge, you don't have to be nice to me
But please tell that
To your friend in the cowboy hat
You know he keeps on sayin' ev'rythin' twice to me"-dylan
Textus
connectiveness the GD brought between just bluegrass and, say, free jazz
cements their overall importance to me. The cult may overrate them -- what cult
doesn't -- but there is no better link between the traditional and experimental
*within the confines of popular music* than the Dead.
I was at one of the 87 shows, went more to see Dylan. Came away enjoying the
two sets of Dead more than the joint set. I thought the album was a bit on the
painful side, but I think it is a good point that both BD and GD were energized
by the crossover. The Dylan covers that began to appear more frequently and
with greater variety int he Dead sets were some of the best interps of his
music in the 90s. I saw them do a couple of songs the night Dylan got his
lifetime Grammy, and for one thing I recognized them immediately. They
understood his music. This isn't a given.
And what it did for Dylan? Well, look at his own guitar playing. Look at the
growingly free nature of his concerts. The 88 show I saw by him was really one
of my favorites, even though it included Joey. :-) And although I have seen
clinkers since, the gold in each of them I would equate with the gold in a
problematic dead show.
And the fact that they like each other is really a plus, right? I mean, what is
this deal about touring with Paul Simon?
steve
Steven Tierney
As the price of concert tickets continues to skyrocket, I'm becoming
less inclined to "just receive whatever he's willing to give us." That's
fine for $12.50, but when you're paying closed to $85.00 like I did to
see these two "has-beens" (and I have been a longtime fan of both) in
New Jersey last July, I expect something other than the phoned in
"performance" I witnessed. Why don't we just cheer their presence at
the venue and not force these two spoiled, uninspired minstrels to
actually entertain us?
We could all be home and tucked away by 9 pm! Despite my disgust and
disappointment I let a friend convince me to go see Bruce Springsteen a
few nights later and he gave everything he had! No Bruce fan (and I
never considered myself one of them) ever wonders what kind of travesty
they're gonna see that night. Why should we accept this behavior from
Dylan when the stakes have been raised by these outrageous ticket
prices?
I personally have had enough of the bootlickin' as they continue to spit
on us....
Enjoy the show,
Steve
Paul Williams
prices. It's seems kind of ridiculous to pay $85 ($125 some places) to see
show that's fairly similar to the same one you paid $25-$40 a few years
ago. Especially if, like me, you don't really care much about seeing Paul
Simon. Simon's ok, but I can take him or leave him. Maybe they're figuring
out that a lot of people feel that way. Top ticket for the Sept 11 show
here is $45. That seems fairly reasonable.
I don't know of too many has-beens who could release an album like TOOM.
I saw the Memphis and Nashville shows last February, and have yet to talk
to anyone who thought the performances were "phoned in." And nobody's
forcing you to go anywhere. I'd hate for you to be kept up past your
bedtime.
Steven Tierney wrote:
>Hey Paul:
>As the price of concert tickets continues to skyrocket, I'm becoming
>less inclined to "just receive whatever he's willing to give us." That's
>fine for $12.50, but when you're paying closed to $85.00 like I did to
>see these two "has-beens" (and I have been a longtime fan of both) in
>New Jersey last July, I expect something other than the phoned in
>"performance" I witnessed. Why don't we just cheer their presence at
>the venue and not force these two spoiled, uninspired minstrels to
>actually entertain us?
>We could all be home and tucked away by 9 pm! Despite my disgust and
>disappointment I let a friend convince me to go see Bruce Springsteen a
>few nights later and he gave everything he had! No Bruce fan (and I
>never considered myself one of them) ever wonders what kind of travesty
>they're gonna see that night. Why should we accept this behavior from
>Dylan when the stakes have been raised by these outrageous ticket
>prices?
>I personally have had enough of the bootlickin' as they continue to spit
>on us....
>Enjoy the show,
>Steve
>
Steven Tierney
feelings and somebody says "nobody forced you to go," you just gotta
shake your head...
Steve
x...@aol.com
>"performance" I witnessed. Why don't we just cheer their presence at
>the venue and not force these two spoiled, uninspired minstrels to
>actually entertain us?
Your experience at a show depends on the performance, true, but also on a
bunch of other things like your attitude, your neighbors, and your visual
and sonic location.
I suppose a lot of others enjoyed the show.
Paul Williams
shows. I was chiding you for giving up on Bob, and I probably could have
done it more gently. But somehow lines about "has-beens" and "bootlickin'
as they continue to spit on us" just didn't elicit a whole lot of sympathy
from me.
Steven Tierney wrote:
>When you're truly disappointed by something and try to articulate your
>feelings and somebody says "nobody forced you to go," you just gotta
>shake your head...
>Steve