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Will Dockery
Feb 28, 2017, 7:30:27 AM2/28/17
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Did I not read a small blurb around 1977 or so, in RS Random Notes or the Creem Magazine version, a rumor or report that Zappa might produce a Dylan record?
It was a very fleeting moment, sort of like the photograph that showed Lou RTeed and Ronnie Van Zandt drinking Budweiser, it is just about apocryphal, and of course never happened, either.
Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll history?
It was a very fleeting moment, sort of like the photograph that showed Lou RTeed and Ronnie Van Zandt drinking Budweiser, it is just about apocryphal, and of course never happened, either.
Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll history?
Grave Digger
Feb 28, 2017, 7:40:25 AM2/28/17
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I remember that...
i think it was born in the eighties but i can't remember the details.
cheers
michaelw...@gmail.com
Feb 28, 2017, 8:55:07 AM2/28/17
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:30:27 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
James Zadok
Feb 28, 2017, 12:19:35 PM2/28/17
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"On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "Someone suddenly called up saying "This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs." Zappa went on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He seemed like a nice guy . . .I asked him if it had any Jesus in it . . .and he said no." When Zappa gave him something to eat, his dogs barked at Dylan. Zappa joked that his dog didn't like Christians, but Dylan didn't laugh. "Maybe he's not supposed to," Zappa said.
"Dylan never followed up on the collaboration. Some of the songs he played for Zappa probably ended up on Dylan's next album, Infidels."
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2017, 7:26:25 PM2/28/17
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 9:19:35 AM UTC-8, James Zadok wrote:
Zappa z"l was a control freak, and Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan' would not give him the amount of creative 'power' being demanded. Consider this 2010 report (and the tape has never been found by any of Mr Zappa's family):
Report: Bob Dylan, Frank Zappa 1982 meeting was recorded by engineer
* December 23rd, 2010 1:18 pm ET
Do you like this story?
When Bob Dylan met with Frank Zappa in 1982, the session was recorded by an engineer, according to Zappa tape archivist Joe Travers.
On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "I get a lot of weird calls, and someone suddenly called up saying, 'This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs'." Zappa went on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He seemed like a nice guy . Didn't look like it would be too hard to work with him."
Unfortunately, it never came to pass. Some of the songs Dylan played may have ended up on his next album, Infidels, which was produced by Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits.
For decades, both Dylan and Zappa fans have wondered what may have transpired during this meeting. It turns out that the session was recorded. Masato Kato interviewed Travers over the telephone for Player magazine in the spring of 2009. Here's what Travers had to say:
What happened was, when Bob came to the house, and went and had a meeting with Frank, Frank's engineer at the time, his name was Mark Pinske. And Mark ran off cassettes of the meeting at the time that they were having it. And unfortunately, those cassettes were lent out, and given out to people, and, they are not around any longer. So, unfortunately, those master cassettes of Bob and Frank at the studio talking about a possible working relationship do not live in the vault. They live somewhere else out there in the world.
One moment that has been documented was this quote from Pinske, Zappa's chief recording engineer/live sound engineer from 1980 to 1987:
My favorite moment with Zappa in the studio was when…I got back at him for saying, “I'm not a robot you know, I can only stay interested in these things for mere moments.” That was when Bob Dylan asked him what kind of engineer “this here Pinske was.” Frank said, “He gets a better drum sound in 20 minutes than most engineers can get in hours.”
I was fortunate enough to meet Zappa at WBCN's Prudential studios in 1977, while he was promoting his album, Läther. After the interview, we all got in the elevator, and Zappa was telling a story and quoted Dylan, saying "more people die in colleges than in old-age homes."
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
Zappa z"l was a control freak, and Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan' would not give him the amount of creative 'power' being demanded. Consider this 2010 report (and the tape has never been found by any of Mr Zappa's family):
Report: Bob Dylan, Frank Zappa 1982 meeting was recorded by engineer
* December 23rd, 2010 1:18 pm ET
Do you like this story?
When Bob Dylan met with Frank Zappa in 1982, the session was recorded by an engineer, according to Zappa tape archivist Joe Travers.
On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "I get a lot of weird calls, and someone suddenly called up saying, 'This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs'." Zappa went on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He seemed like a nice guy . Didn't look like it would be too hard to work with him."
Unfortunately, it never came to pass. Some of the songs Dylan played may have ended up on his next album, Infidels, which was produced by Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits.
For decades, both Dylan and Zappa fans have wondered what may have transpired during this meeting. It turns out that the session was recorded. Masato Kato interviewed Travers over the telephone for Player magazine in the spring of 2009. Here's what Travers had to say:
What happened was, when Bob came to the house, and went and had a meeting with Frank, Frank's engineer at the time, his name was Mark Pinske. And Mark ran off cassettes of the meeting at the time that they were having it. And unfortunately, those cassettes were lent out, and given out to people, and, they are not around any longer. So, unfortunately, those master cassettes of Bob and Frank at the studio talking about a possible working relationship do not live in the vault. They live somewhere else out there in the world.
One moment that has been documented was this quote from Pinske, Zappa's chief recording engineer/live sound engineer from 1980 to 1987:
My favorite moment with Zappa in the studio was when…I got back at him for saying, “I'm not a robot you know, I can only stay interested in these things for mere moments.” That was when Bob Dylan asked him what kind of engineer “this here Pinske was.” Frank said, “He gets a better drum sound in 20 minutes than most engineers can get in hours.”
I was fortunate enough to meet Zappa at WBCN's Prudential studios in 1977, while he was promoting his album, Läther. After the interview, we all got in the elevator, and Zappa was telling a story and quoted Dylan, saying "more people die in colleges than in old-age homes."
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
Stephan Pickering
Feb 28, 2017, 8:37:17 PM2/28/17
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-8, Stephan Pickering wrote:
I shall go through my archive when time allows, but, as I recall, this was printed 23 December 2010 by Reb Harold Lepidus in his 'Bob Dylan Examiner'.
I shall go through my archive when time allows, but, as I recall, this was printed 23 December 2010 by Reb Harold Lepidus in his 'Bob Dylan Examiner'.
Will Dockery
Mar 1, 2017, 12:57:10 PM3/1/17
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M. Rick
Mar 1, 2017, 1:05:23 PM3/1/17
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:57:10 AM UTC-8, Will Dockery wrote:
> Thanks folks, I knew there was some buzz about a Zappa and Dylan meeting at some point in time.
The RMD diner is always buzzing about meetings with Dylan, from his mother to his (eventual) grave digger.
> Thanks folks, I knew there was some buzz about a Zappa and Dylan meeting at some point in time.
Grave Digger
Mar 1, 2017, 3:16:29 PM3/1/17
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me..."I'm gonna start me a graveyard of my own".
i like the all night diners with burnt toast and stale coffee.
cheers
Rachel
Mar 1, 2017, 3:20:06 PM3/1/17
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call me.
Just Kidding
Mar 1, 2017, 3:28:38 PM3/1/17
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 12:20:03 -0800 (PST), Rachel <rach...@gmail.com>
If you do, could you please leave him there?
Grave Digger
Mar 1, 2017, 3:34:39 PM3/1/17
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there's so much hatred in the communists of today.
I love you Just the same.
you,me and rachel....let's all go and get us some burnt toast. i'm buying
cheers
Rachel
Mar 1, 2017, 3:35:35 PM3/1/17
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ha.
Grave Digger
Mar 1, 2017, 3:54:29 PM3/1/17
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I can take you to the Hoboken cemetery....there's a real nice diner right next door...and a flower shop across the street.
sixty five million for the the obama's book deal.
these are the kind of books that people buy and never read.Door stops.
oprah's now thinking about the white house.
"Where Is My gypsy Wife tonight?"
love and out
Rachel
Mar 1, 2017, 4:15:39 PM3/1/17
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Will Dockery
Mar 3, 2017, 12:30:23 AM3/3/17
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Cool story.
Will Dockery
Oct 5, 2020, 4:00:38 AM10/5/20
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:19:35 PM UTC-5, James Zadok wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 07:30:27 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Did I not read a small blurb around 1977 or so, in RS Random Notes or the Creem Magazine version, a rumor or report that Zappa might produce a Dylan record?
> >
> > It was a very fleeting moment, sort of like the photograph that showed Lou Reed and Ronnie Van Zandt drinking Budweiser, it is just about apocryphal, and of course never happened, either.
> On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 07:30:27 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Did I not read a small blurb around 1977 or so, in RS Random Notes or the Creem Magazine version, a rumor or report that Zappa might produce a Dylan record?
> >
> >
> > Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll history?
>
>
> http://www.united-mutations.com/d/bob_dylan.htm
>
> "On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "Someone suddenly called up saying "This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs." Zappa went on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He seemed like a nice guy . . .I asked him if it had any Jesus in it . . .and he said no." When Zappa gave him something to eat, his dogs barked at Dylan. Zappa joked that his dog didn't like Christians, but Dylan didn't laugh. "Maybe he's not supposed to," Zappa said.
>
> "Dylan never followed up on the collaboration. Some of the songs he played for Zappa probably ended up on Dylan's next album, Infidels."
I really wonder sometimes what this would have sounded like.
> > Anyone else remember this blip on the radar of rock-n-roll history?
>
>
> http://www.united-mutations.com/d/bob_dylan.htm
>
> "On December 22, 1982, Dylan appeared, unannounced, on Zappa's doorsteps. According to Michael Gray, in his book Mother! Is The Story Of Frank Zappa (Proteus, 1984, pages 148-9), "Someone suddenly called up saying "This is Bob Dylan. I want to play you my new songs." Zappa went on to say that he had never met Dylan before, but could see someone (via a video screen) in the cold, with an open shirt, and no coat. Gray quoted Zappa, telling Karl Dallas, that Dylan played eleven new songs on the piano, humming the lyrics. "I thought they were good songs. He seemed like a nice guy . . .I asked him if it had any Jesus in it . . .and he said no." When Zappa gave him something to eat, his dogs barked at Dylan. Zappa joked that his dog didn't like Christians, but Dylan didn't laugh. "Maybe he's not supposed to," Zappa said.
>
> "Dylan never followed up on the collaboration. Some of the songs he played for Zappa probably ended up on Dylan's next album, Infidels."
;)
Zod
Oct 6, 2020, 4:51:15 PM10/6/20
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James Zadok
Oct 6, 2020, 9:25:52 PM10/6/20
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On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 4:00:38 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LyzQAeEkco
Will Dockery
Oct 7, 2020, 2:00:45 AM10/7/20
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:)
Zod
Oct 23, 2020, 9:49:14 PM10/23/20
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Long time no se....
Just Walkin'
Oct 25, 2020, 9:23:21 PM10/25/20
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Zod
Oct 25, 2020, 9:42:27 PM10/25/20
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Will Dockery
Jan 12, 2022, 8:47:49 AM1/12/22
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:19:35 PM UTC-5, James Zadok wrote:
General Zod
Jan 12, 2022, 7:38:38 PM1/12/22
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Willie
Jan 13, 2022, 10:28:26 PM1/13/22
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On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 8:47:49 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
Will wrote:
> "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got Blonde on Blonde
> and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know what I think of cowboy music."
> -Frank Zappa
What context did Zappa say this in? I'm hard put to hear cowboy music in Blonde on Blonde, so have to think there's a put on here. Or was he mixing BoB with the song John Wesley Harding or with Nashville Skyline?
> "As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got Blonde on Blonde
> and it started to sound like cowboy music. You know what I think of cowboy music."
> -Frank Zappa
James Zadok
Jan 14, 2022, 8:33:19 AM1/14/22
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Playboy: Did any of the big acts of the time interest you? How about Dylan, Hendrix, the Stones?
Zappa: Some of the really good things that Hendrix did was the earliest stuff, when he was just ripping and brutal. Manic Depression was my favorite Jimi Hendrix song. The more experimental it got, the less interesting and the thinner it got. As for Dylan, Highway 61 Revisited was really good. Then we got Blonde on Blonde and it started to sound like cowboy music, and you know what I think of cowboy music. I liked the Rolling Stones.
Playboy: Did Mick Jagger once pull a splinter out of your toe?
Zappa: Yeah. He came by my house and I was hopping around because of this splinter, so he pulled it out. Good story, huh? I did like his attitude and the Stones’ attitude. Ultimately, though, the music was being done because it was product. It was pop music made because there was a record company waiting for records.
https://www.playboy.com/read/frank-zappa-s-1993-playboy-interview
K. Hematite
Jan 14, 2022, 8:48:40 AM1/14/22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHKhpoj5l7E
Willie
Jan 14, 2022, 12:43:35 PM1/14/22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fn36l_z3WY
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