You got to serve somebody?
Gun nuts
really real
I like the way this song and the video riffs on Dylan, but I can't go
along with that line about the left wing and the right wing being the same.
bmoo...@gmail.com
Who do I have to serve to be able to post here? Usenet?
bmoo...@gmail.com
But you can see what they're saying. We're all only pawns in their
game. Independent thinking is a rare thing. This is the kind of song
Johnny Rotten might have written. Good straightforward punk.
Jumbo Lite
> On Jan 22, 7:40 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > > I don't think so......
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVWzOp7Q70
>
> > I like the way this song and the video riffs on Dylan, but I can't go
> > along with that line about the left wing and the right wing being the same.
>
> But you can see what they're saying.
Definitely. At a certain point, left wing and right wing ideologues
show the same personality profile: rigidly dogmatic, literal-minded,
convinced they speak for "common-sense" etc.
> We're all only pawns in their
> game.
I don't agree with that. We may be pawns in a game, but not theirs
(unless we choose to be, at some level). "They" are really not that
clever all the time.
> Independent thinking is a rare thing.
An impossible one.
> This is the kind of song
> Johnny Rotten might have written. Good straightforward punk.
Is that like good old apple pie?
Dr_dudley
> I don't think so......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVWzOp7Q70
Nor me.
Here's two vids from my favourite genre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oey85FGHOHc (OFFICIAL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op_E6sQzvwY (SUBTITLED)
dudley
really real
>
> But you can see what they're saying. We're all only pawns in their
> game. Independent thinking is a rare thing. This is the kind of song
> Johnny Rotten might have written. Good straightforward punk.
The trouble is, I think the real pawns are the people who drop out of
any meaningful political action. Why bother voting as it just encourages
them? Well, anyone who didn't make an effort to vote for Obama over
McCain is a fool. Imagine thinking that there is no difference between
Republicans and Democrats these days.
Mr. Rick
meaningful political action.
But why should Dylan care if he has millions and little use for people?
Most of America could starve to death, Dylan would do just fine. Perhaps
his income would drop a little, that's about it. Even if we wiped out all
paper investments, he'd still get to keep all his property and possessions.
Sorry, people like Dylan take care of themselves
Mr. Rick
Mr. Rick
They approve of me and share my code
Dittoheads
Jumbo Lite
Yes, they ditto the narrator.
really real
>
> But why should Dylan care if he has millions and little use for people?
> Most of America could starve to death, Dylan would do just fine. Perhaps
> his income would drop a little, that's about it. Even if we wiped out all
> paper investments, he'd still get to keep all his property and possessions.
> Sorry, people like Dylan take care of themselves
Don't be absurd Mr. Rick. Anyone who listens to Bob Dylan, aside from
his Christian albums, knows that he is a humanist who cares a lot about
people. His last three albums are very humanistic.
Jumbo Lite
Where?
Babs
> > We're all only pawns in their
> > game.
>
> I don't agree with that. We may be pawns in a game, but not theirs
> (unless we choose to be, at some level). "They" are really not that
> clever all the time.
I don't agree with that either, and I can see I was anything but
clear. (Since I didn't think the post would go through, after so many
others had not, I did a sloppy job at best.) We're pawns in their game
if we swallow the swill and believe that any particular wing, or party
or ideology has all the answers. Unfortunately, I've lately
encountered more and more people who are die-hard something-or others,
to the exclusion of all else. The independent thinkers are out there
but harder and harder to find -- at least for me. When I find one, I
celebrate with apple pie or good straightforward punk. I don't usually
like to mix my punk with my pie, but I hardly ever say never.
>
> > This is the kind of song
> > Johnny Rotten might have written. Good straightforward punk.
>
> Is that like good old apple pie?
Maybe a sugarless version of apple pie.
really real
>> Don't be absurd Mr. Rick. Anyone who listens to Bob Dylan, aside from
>> his Christian albums, knows that he is a humanist who cares a lot about
>> people. His last three albums are very humanistic.
>
> Where?
I'm walking,
through streets that are dead
Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee
They're throwing knives into the tree
Two big bags of dead men's bones
They've got their noses to the grind stones
Living in the Land of Nod
Trusting their fate to the hands of God
They pass by so silently
Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee
I rolled and I tumbled, I cried the whole night long
Woke up this mornin', I must have bet my money wrong
Babs
Too folkie for me, dudley. ;-)
The Hysterical Bride
> On Jan 23, 5:26 am, Dr_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22, 4:38 pm, Gun nuts <not4ud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I don't think so......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVWzOp7Q70
>
> > Nor me.
>
>
> > dudley
>
> Too folkie for me, dudley. ;-)
Yeah, they remind me of Peter, Paul, and Mary.
trea...@aol.com
I'm assuming this song is about tennis. Maybe not. Anyhow it's good
to see they're observing the leash law.
Tif
> On Jan 23, 4:30 am, Jumbo Lite <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
> > > We're all only pawns in their
> > > game.
>
> > I don't agree with that. We may be pawns in a game, but not theirs
> > (unless we choose to be, at some level). "They" are really not that
> > clever all the time.
>
> I don't agree with that either, and I can see I was anything but
> clear. (Since I didn't think the post would go through, after so many
> others had not, I did a sloppy job at best.) We're pawns in their game
> if we swallow the swill and believe that any particular wing, or party
> or ideology has all the answers. Unfortunately, I've lately
> encountered more and more people who are die-hard something-or others,
> to the exclusion of all else. The independent thinkers are out there
> but harder and harder to find -- at least for me. When I find one, I
> celebrate with apple pie or good straightforward punk. I don't usually
> like to mix my punk with my pie, but I hardly ever say never.
fair enough. but do you ever say never
softly ? ;)
Dr_dudley
> On Jan 23, 5:26 am, Dr_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
>
> > dudley
>
> I'm assuming this song is about tennis. Maybe not. Anyhow it's good
> to see they're observing the leash law.
Of course, for those of us wise enough not to pursue my postings, the
vidz in question are from my guilty pleasure (death[black]metal
speedcore).
That said, the notion of "slaves shaill serve" being related to tennis
recalled to my mind the old discussion of "Love Minus Zero/No Limit".
Is it a mathematical equation, or a fraction?
Leave it to the esteemed Alan Fraser of http://www.searchingforagem.com/
to have posted this ca. 97:
}
On 22 Sep 1997 16:30:16 GMT, "Masahiko Funaki" <f...@din.or.jp> wrote:
>I can't interpret the meaning of his song title "Love Minus Zero".
>Does it mean just as "5 minus 0 equals 5"? ... this might be
>misinterpretation.
>Thanks in advance.
I read an explanation at the time the album came out that by reading
"love" as the tennis zero, you make Love Minus Zero into the symbol
string "0-0" which approximates to the infinity symbol (not found on
typewriters, but like an eight on its side), i.e. no limit.
Unlikely, but inventive!
Alan
{
There is also, as posted from the erstwhile & underAppreciated
Patricia Jungwirth in '05, the belyingly:
}
"The name of this song is a, is a fraction. Love Minus Zero is on the
top
and underneath is No Limit. I made the title before I made the song."
From
Manchester Free Trade Hall May 7, 1965.
{
From that same thread, a younger J Buck has:
}
<how does "no limit" pertain to gambling?>
There is no limit on the amount of money you can bet (or raise, if
you're meeting another players' wager)
{
To wit, dithering furthur on a late Friday night/Saturday morning, the
following bobRelated tennis bon mot from his cornyJoke-telling days
from that same post:
}
There's also that comment (joke) from a couple of years ago : "My
first
wife was a tennis player. Love meant nothing to her."
{
Which of course got me to thniking, what has bob got to say about
tennis, lyricWise. A quick search at bob.com yields:
}
He could've sold insurance, owned a restaurant or bar
Could've been an accountant or a tennis star
He was wearing boxing gloves, took a dive one day
Off the Golden Gate Bridge into China Bay
--Clean Cut Kid
{
&
}
I sat with my high-heeled sneakers on
Waiting to play tennis in the noonday sun
I had my white shorts rolled up past my waist
And my wig-hat was falling in my face
But they wouldn't let me on the tennis court.
--I Shall Be Free No 10
{
In the words of Humphrey Bogart, "Tennis anyone?"
Speaking of Bogey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwjRwAJXuYM
& furthur Bogart, littleFeatly willingly:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/av7vkx
Pleased to make yr acquaintance,
dudley
Babs
Tif, I do confess that I sometimes sing along with Tim Hardin (softy
and sadly)
It'll Never Happen Again
I remember our first affair
All the pain, always rain around my eyes
It'll never happen again; it'll never happen again
Every time I leave you alone
I remember times I couldn't come home
It'll never happen again; it'll never happen again
Bridge:
Why can't you be the way I want you to be?
Why can't you see you've got to change to love me?
I remember our first affair
All the pain, always rain around my eyes
It'll never happen again; it'll never happen again
really real
>
> That said, the notion of "slaves shall serve" being related to tennis
> recalled to my mind the old discussion of "Love Minus Zero/No Limit".
> Is it a mathematical equation, or a fraction?
I notice in today's story that Darwin was a humanist who pursued his
"theory" of evolution because he hated slavery and was determined to
prove that black were not a separate species from whites.
Jumbo Lite
Appropriate then that Dylan, on his non-humanist album "Love & Theft"
has the following verse:
Well, George Lewis told the Englishman, the Italian and the Jew
"You can't open your mind, boys
To every conceivable point of view."
They got Charles Darwin trapped out there on Highway Five
Judge says to the High Sheriff,
"I want him dead or alive
Either one, I don't care."
High Water everywhere
Some people try to wriggle out of Dylan's anti-evolution stance here
by suggesting this is a narrator speaking. But we know better than
that.
(And why the scare-quotes on "theory", really? Not saying you prefer
dogma over scientific method, are you?)
really real
> "You can't open your mind, boys
> To every conceivable point of view."
> They got Charles Darwin trapped out there on Highway Five
> Judge says to the High Sheriff,
> "I want him dead or alive
> Either one, I don't care."
> High Water everywhere
>
> Some people try to wriggle out of Dylan's anti-evolution stance here
> by suggesting this is a narrator speaking. But we know better than
> that.
>
> (And why the scare-quotes on "theory", really? Not saying you prefer
> dogma over scientific method, are you?)
Love & Theft is full of pro-evolution anti-dogmatist lyrics like this.
I put quotation marks around "theory" to satirize the people who try to
pretend that evolution isn't true. What ever happened to that guy in rmd
who tried to tell us that Continental Drift was just a theory?
Mr. Rick
Christian albums, knows that he is a humanist who cares a lot about people.
His last three albums are very humanistic.
Of course he loves humanity. It's people he can't stand. Now go serve
yourself another Dylan CD while Dylan serves his dogs thousand-dollar
steaks.
really real
>
> Of course he loves humanity. It's people he can't stand. Now go serve
> yourself another Dylan CD while Dylan serves his dogs thousand-dollar
> steaks.
You begrudge Dylan for making a lot of money? You don't empathize with
Dylan's need to protect his privacy?
Val Kilmer thinks Bob Dylan likes people. Why don't you?
Mr. Rick
know what is.