Bob Dylan's nose
Paul Bullen
please see photos 1, 34, 36, 38, and 48 on my Dylan site
(via http://paul.bullen.com). I have added some variations on the
theme of that nose at photo number 38, taken at the performance
at the Benedictine College in Lisle, Illinois in late 1997. The
other photos are from the same performance, except for #1,
which is from the Metro in Chicago in December of the same year.
--Paul (Bullen)
PHyatt1962
what about that hair? Tell me more about that hair. Maybe we could divine
something from that hair?
PH
tricia j
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I can't believe I'm reading this... it's a joke right? Isn't
his nose visible in the other photos on your site, or
doesn't it look "Jewish" enough in them to warrant our
attention?
For Australian readers, perhaps you could turn to page 6 & 7
of today's 'Australian' newspaper's 'Review of Books' - an
article entitled 'Mo's Other Mask' by Jan Epstein,
particularly the image on p7. For those who can't take a
look (& I don't know if it's online, suspect not), it's a
juxtaposition of a photo of the Australian comedian Roy 'Mo'
Rene with a Nazi propaganda poster of "a stereotypical Jew,
from an exhibition, The Eternal Jew, in Munich in 1937".
I will pass no further comment! But do read the article if
you can.
Tricia J
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Chiarot
I'd much rather have a discussion of the undeniable gentileness of his
fingernails.
Wolfds
>Paul Bullen wrote:
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>For those interested in the Jewishness of Bob Dylan's nose,
Hey, Tricia, don't worry. Paul's against genocide. Generally.
Dave
WS Crispy
Because you know of an Australian Jew with a pug nose, you think that
proves there's not a characteristic nose morphology in a high proportion
of Ashkenazic Jews? Well there is such a morphology, featuring overall
largeness, a distinctive hump and a certain hook. The largeness, hump
and hook are usually not nearly as prominent as shown in mean-spirited
potrayals. But they are there, in live 3D.
Why do those who claim to "celebrate our diversity" practice instead an
attempted supression of all direct reference to ethnic/racial diversity?
All you're doing is trying to pull wool over people's eyes, and they
will figure you out in no time and wonder what your real agenda is.
Why are you so disturbed by the distinctive nasal morphology of many
(not all, many, not all, many, not all, many) Ashkenazim? Don't you like
it? Are you embarrassed for them? Look, Mr. D. has a classic Ashkenazic
shnaahz and it didn't stop him from being the coolest dude of these past
five decades. So what you worried about?
In me you have someone who has always, since he first broke out his
Catholic Douay bible at the age of seven and devoured the books of
Genesis and Ezekial, admired the Jewish people, often to the point of
jealousy. Do you realize all Christian churches, from the grandeur of
Western Catholicism to the hillbilly Protestantism of American
Pentacostalists, portray themselves as "the New Israel"? Everybody wants
to be them!
I married into a Jewish family, my kids are being raised Jewish, and I
believe the morality of the Jewish people from Abraham to today leaves
all other cultures, East, West and South, in the dust. But, in addition
to Jewish people and culture, you know what I also like? I like truth.
And the truth is, there are physical differences between ethnic groups
that no amount of wrongheaded social sensitivity can hide.... Do you
know that the world's shortest and tallest people live right next to
each other in Africa (the Pygmies and the Watusi)? Both groups are fully
human, both are African, both are "Negroid". But the difference in their
average heights exceeds the average height of the Pygmies. Am I a latent
Nazi for pointing this out? Do you know the incidence of red hair in
Ireland dwarfs the incidence of the same over across a little bit of
water in Wales? Who should be offended by this observation: the Irish,
the Welsh, or neither? Answer 3, of course. Both groups are fully human,
both are European, both are "Caucasian". Yet they are not utterly
identical. A perfect world to you, apparently, would be one in which
perfect sameness ruled. Then no-one could traffic in stereotypes and
caricatures. But I know I wouldn't want to live there.
So why are you so disturbed by someone mentioning this relatively high
nasal profile that is undeniably so common among this particular
Caucasian subgroup- Ashkenazic Jews? Don't be. Supression and repression
can't lead anywhere good.
If you're interested, I'd be glad to describe for you the evolutionary
forces that have been sculpting human noses since our divergence from
the great apes. There is a reason for the Roman Nose, the Jewish nose,
the pug nose, the wider flatter nose of the sub-saharan African, the
aquiline noses of Frankish peoples, etc. Evolution doesn't give a crap
about politics or fashion. If you're interested in the human
genotypic/phenotypic response to various climes and environments, with
respect to nose morphology, please let me know.
--
ws crispy
Patti6767
>fingernails.
Is that why he don't fingerpick much anymore???
Did his fingernails get too soft?????
Thanks for the information !!!!!!!
mr...@webtv.net
mr...@webtv.net
mr...@webtv.net
...we love ya Mickey Rooney!!
Randy Newman makes fun of all kinds of people!! .....and yes , he's
probably Jewish!!
mr...@webtv.net
mr...@webtv.net
never know....!!!!
NOW can we talk about the MUSIC , PLEASE???? 8 7 ) !!!!
LOL!!!!
mr...@webtv.net
Richard
the Jewish religion. One's physical being has nothing to do with it. (But
then again, you knew that, right?)
Wolfds <wol...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990608232832...@ng-fy1.aol.com...
KReilly
>perfect sameness ruled. Then no-one could traffic in stereotypes and
>caricatures. But I know I wouldn't want to live there.
You are painting a caricature yourself. The point which you never address is
that there is a HISTORY to Jewish stereotypes. What about the Jewish person who
is offended by the comment, is it just too bad? I guess everyone is happy and
equal in your world. If there was a history of oppression of the Pygmies which
included mocking caricatures of their height and genocide (Hitler measured
noses and skulls) would this make you understand why they found "short"
offensive? Your observations ingnore the inequity that has existed between
ethnic groups. There were times in history when red heads had their heads
forcibly shaved and were burned as witches. I'd guess that the Irish might have
been sensitive about that for awhile. A perfect world is not one where
sameness rules but one in which discrimination is not made on the basis of
ethnic differences and where people are sensitive to the way others feel. Take
your benign intentions and go into any urban center with a poor predominantly
African-American community and point out how much you like their differences,
see if they appreciate it. Unfortunately your expertise in genotypes and
phenotypes does not extend to social history where, unfortunately,
distinctions based on phenotypes have played a large role.
Derek Keogh
What it's all about....how enlightening.
Reminds me of waiting on floor varnish to dry. The drying of paint can
sometimes produce interesting patterns (if under the influence of chemical
stimulus) but floor varnish very slowly dries, and contributes absolutely
nothing to the life experience.
"Why do you Bob your nose Paul" ~ Kinky Friedman and The Texas Jewboys (well
almost !!)
Exhaling sharply and looking skyward...
Derek Keogh
(Blind...@edlis.org)
Smoking a Cheap cigar in Dublin, Ireland at
http://members.aol.com/BlindDerek/private/home/
Jim Guide
always been a distinct ethnic element to Jewishness, from the time the
(divinely?) inspired bible writer used the phrase "the seed of Abraham" up to
this moment. This is one of the things that is nearly unique about the Jews
and, for good and ill, has had the effect of making them "a people apart":
they are a community of faith and a community of blood at the same time.
Through all the 2000 years of the great Diaspora, they maintained not only
their religious and cultural characteristics, but their physico-ethnic ones as
well. Nearly all other tribes, groups or peoples who lose the geographical
basis of their distinctive physical ethnicity (that is, they lose or migrate
from their ancient homes in which they were largely isolated reproductively,
by sheer geograpy, from other groups) go on to lose that distinctiveness by
cultural and genetic assimilation. Not the Jews. Yes, there has been
appreciable admixture- hence the obvious physical differences between
Sephardim and Ashkenazim. But to a degree that easily includes traits such as
distinctive nasal profile, they have managed to maintain temperamental and
physical characteristics, variously determined by genetics and
trans-generational culture.
Personally, I go with those who say "Vive la différence!". I think the world
would be much diminished if genetically guided temperament and physicality
were to, on a worldwide basis, smush together into one uniform type. Do you
know what that type would essentially be? It would be Hispanic. In today's
Hispanics we see a genetic blend of all three major races in approximately the
same proportions those races exist in the world today. The South American
Indians were an Oriental stock (you know the bit about the crossing of the
Bering Strait, right?), then the caucasian Spaniards came in and added their
DNA to the stew, then the primarily African Caribs stirred in their genes. So
in Hispanics we have a preview of what all mankind will be when the physical
ethnic differences that so disturb you are ironed out. Now, nothing at all
against Hispanics. They are cool people. But I'd rather have a world including
noble jet black !Kung, short strong Esquimaux, busy little Japanese with their
strictly straight black hair, Swedes and Danes with blue ice in their eyes,
Vietnamese tough as bamboo, beautiful Ethiopians with their women like Queen
Sheba, happy big-assed Italians, incredibly morose Fuegians, and Jews with
mighty honkers. Wouldn't you?
--
ws crispy
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