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Dec 16, 2011, 10:12:58 AM12/16/11
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For those among us who hate lists, this ten best Donovan songs is a
classic. It contains Atlantis, which I consider one of his worst songs,
and Brother Sun, Sister Moon, which is so obscure, I don't even have a
copy. Jennifer Juniper is also a bit cringy. At least they didn't
include I Love My Shirt.
What, no Epistle to Dippy or There is a Mountain?
The List: Best Donovan songs from the Washington Times
Scottish singer-songwriter Donovan Leitch is one of 11 being inducted
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 class. Donovan, who was
Britain's answer to America's Bob Dylan, had 12 top-40 hits between 1965
and 1969 in the United States; his style appealed to the counterculture
and beatnik era.
The List this week looks at Donovan's best top-10 songs.
* 10. Turquoise (1965) - This song was one of 40 songs on a portable
jukebox owned by John Lennon. Donovan said he wrote the song about folk
singer Joan Baez, who later recorded a version. The song bombed on the
charts in the United Kingdom and the United States but has become a
favorite among Donovan fans.
Your smile beams like sunlight, On a gull's wing; and the leaves, Dance
and play after you.
* 9. Atlantis (1968) - This idealistic song about the mythological
Atlantis was a huge hit in Europe. Even though much of the song is
spoken prose and not necessarily radio-friendly, the tune reached No. 7
in the U.S. It was on the B-side of "To Susan on the West Coast, Waiting."
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, Let us rejoice and
let us sing and dance and ring in the new, Hail Atlantis!
* 8. Mellow Yellow (1966) - This Beatle-type song was Donovan's
second-biggest hit, reaching No. 2 in the U.S. and No. 8 the following
year on the British charts. Ironically, Donovan helped with the lyrics
of the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine," also released in 1966.
I'm just mad about Saffron, Saffron's mad about me, I'm just mad about
Saffron, She's just mad about me.
* 7. Sunshine Superman (1966) - At the height of the hippie subculture,
Donovan scored his first and only No. 1 hit in the U.S. with this
jaunty, and likely drug-induced, song, which later reached No. 2 on the
British charts. It was the title track of Donovan's third album,
"Sunshine Superman." The song was written for Donovan's future wife
Linda Lawrence. Jimmy Page played guitar on it.
Sunshine came softly through my a-window today, Could've tripped out
easy a-but I've a-changed my ways.
* 6. To Try for the Sun (1966) - This delightful folk song was released
as a single in the United States in January 1966. The song is about
Donovan's early days, when he traveled to Ives in Cornwall with his road
buddy Gypsy Dave.
And who's going to be the one, To say it was no good what we done? I
dare a man to say I'm too young, For I'm going to try for the sun.
* 5. Hurdy Gurdy Man (1968) - This psychedelic rock song with an Indian
influence reached No. 5 in the U.S. and No. 4 on the U.K. charts. On
several concert recordings, Donovan tells the audience there is an
additional verse written by Beatle George Harrison that was not part of
the original single.
Down through all eternity, The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the
Hurdy Gurdy Man, Comes singing songs of love.
* 4. Jennifer Juniper (1968) - This flower-power song was written about
Jenny Boyd, the sister of Pattie Boyd, who married Beatle George
Harrison. Donovan was dating Ms. Boyd when he and the Beatles visited
the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh, India. The last verse of the
song is sung in French.
Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill, Jennifer Juniper, sitting very
still, Is she sleeping? I don't think so.
* 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972) - This enchanting song was the
title song for Franco Zeffirelli's film on the life of St. Francis of
Assisi, "Brother Son, Sister Moon." Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
soundtrack. In 2004, Donovan rerecorded all the songs exclusively for
iTunes from the long out-of-print soundtrack with just his guitar.
Brother Sun and Sister Moon, I seldom see you seldom hear your tune,
Preoccupied with selfish misery.
* 2. Universal Soldier (1965) - This anti-war folk song was written and
recorded by Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie in
1964.Donovan recorded the song as part of an extended play album. It was
never released as a single, but the EP reached No. 5 in the United
Kingdom and later No. 23 on the Billboard charts.
He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four, He fights with missiles and
with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, He's been
a soldier for a thousand years.
* 1. Catch the Wind (1965) - This was Donovan's first hit. It reached
No. 4 in the United Kingdom and No. 23 in the United States. The song
was rerecorded for Donovan's first album, "What's Bin Did and What's Bin
Hid," without the vocal echo and strings. The song has been used in many
commercials and covered by numerous recording artists.
In the chilly hours and minutes, Of uncertainty, I want to be, In the
warm hold of your loving mind.
* Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965) - This delightful folk ballad is
featured in a memorable scene in D.A. Pennebaker's 1967 documentary
"Don't Look Back" about Bob Dylan's 1965 tour of England. Donovan sings
the song for Mr. Dylan in a hotel room. "That's a great song," Mr.
Dylansays. Donovan then asks Mr. Dylan to sing "It's All Over Now, Baby
Blue," which the American legend does in emphatic fashion, almost
spitting it out.
When you're feeling kind of lonesome in your mind, With a heartache
following you so close behind, Call out to me as I ramble by, I'll sing
a song for you.
classic. It contains Atlantis, which I consider one of his worst songs,
and Brother Sun, Sister Moon, which is so obscure, I don't even have a
copy. Jennifer Juniper is also a bit cringy. At least they didn't
include I Love My Shirt.
What, no Epistle to Dippy or There is a Mountain?
The List: Best Donovan songs from the Washington Times
Scottish singer-songwriter Donovan Leitch is one of 11 being inducted
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 class. Donovan, who was
Britain's answer to America's Bob Dylan, had 12 top-40 hits between 1965
and 1969 in the United States; his style appealed to the counterculture
and beatnik era.
The List this week looks at Donovan's best top-10 songs.
* 10. Turquoise (1965) - This song was one of 40 songs on a portable
jukebox owned by John Lennon. Donovan said he wrote the song about folk
singer Joan Baez, who later recorded a version. The song bombed on the
charts in the United Kingdom and the United States but has become a
favorite among Donovan fans.
Your smile beams like sunlight, On a gull's wing; and the leaves, Dance
and play after you.
* 9. Atlantis (1968) - This idealistic song about the mythological
Atlantis was a huge hit in Europe. Even though much of the song is
spoken prose and not necessarily radio-friendly, the tune reached No. 7
in the U.S. It was on the B-side of "To Susan on the West Coast, Waiting."
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, Let us rejoice and
let us sing and dance and ring in the new, Hail Atlantis!
* 8. Mellow Yellow (1966) - This Beatle-type song was Donovan's
second-biggest hit, reaching No. 2 in the U.S. and No. 8 the following
year on the British charts. Ironically, Donovan helped with the lyrics
of the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine," also released in 1966.
I'm just mad about Saffron, Saffron's mad about me, I'm just mad about
Saffron, She's just mad about me.
* 7. Sunshine Superman (1966) - At the height of the hippie subculture,
Donovan scored his first and only No. 1 hit in the U.S. with this
jaunty, and likely drug-induced, song, which later reached No. 2 on the
British charts. It was the title track of Donovan's third album,
"Sunshine Superman." The song was written for Donovan's future wife
Linda Lawrence. Jimmy Page played guitar on it.
Sunshine came softly through my a-window today, Could've tripped out
easy a-but I've a-changed my ways.
* 6. To Try for the Sun (1966) - This delightful folk song was released
as a single in the United States in January 1966. The song is about
Donovan's early days, when he traveled to Ives in Cornwall with his road
buddy Gypsy Dave.
And who's going to be the one, To say it was no good what we done? I
dare a man to say I'm too young, For I'm going to try for the sun.
* 5. Hurdy Gurdy Man (1968) - This psychedelic rock song with an Indian
influence reached No. 5 in the U.S. and No. 4 on the U.K. charts. On
several concert recordings, Donovan tells the audience there is an
additional verse written by Beatle George Harrison that was not part of
the original single.
Down through all eternity, The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the
Hurdy Gurdy Man, Comes singing songs of love.
* 4. Jennifer Juniper (1968) - This flower-power song was written about
Jenny Boyd, the sister of Pattie Boyd, who married Beatle George
Harrison. Donovan was dating Ms. Boyd when he and the Beatles visited
the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh, India. The last verse of the
song is sung in French.
Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill, Jennifer Juniper, sitting very
still, Is she sleeping? I don't think so.
* 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972) - This enchanting song was the
title song for Franco Zeffirelli's film on the life of St. Francis of
Assisi, "Brother Son, Sister Moon." Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
soundtrack. In 2004, Donovan rerecorded all the songs exclusively for
iTunes from the long out-of-print soundtrack with just his guitar.
Brother Sun and Sister Moon, I seldom see you seldom hear your tune,
Preoccupied with selfish misery.
* 2. Universal Soldier (1965) - This anti-war folk song was written and
recorded by Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie in
1964.Donovan recorded the song as part of an extended play album. It was
never released as a single, but the EP reached No. 5 in the United
Kingdom and later No. 23 on the Billboard charts.
He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four, He fights with missiles and
with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, He's been
a soldier for a thousand years.
* 1. Catch the Wind (1965) - This was Donovan's first hit. It reached
No. 4 in the United Kingdom and No. 23 in the United States. The song
was rerecorded for Donovan's first album, "What's Bin Did and What's Bin
Hid," without the vocal echo and strings. The song has been used in many
commercials and covered by numerous recording artists.
In the chilly hours and minutes, Of uncertainty, I want to be, In the
warm hold of your loving mind.
* Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965) - This delightful folk ballad is
featured in a memorable scene in D.A. Pennebaker's 1967 documentary
"Don't Look Back" about Bob Dylan's 1965 tour of England. Donovan sings
the song for Mr. Dylan in a hotel room. "That's a great song," Mr.
Dylansays. Donovan then asks Mr. Dylan to sing "It's All Over Now, Baby
Blue," which the American legend does in emphatic fashion, almost
spitting it out.
When you're feeling kind of lonesome in your mind, With a heartache
following you so close behind, Call out to me as I ramble by, I'll sing
a song for you.
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Dec 16, 2011, 6:54:56 PM12/16/11
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> And...another troll thread obviously designed to do nothing but bait me
My god, Eric, the size and out-of-jointness of your ego is beyond
astounding.
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Dec 16, 2011, 7:25:09 PM12/16/11
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> "Universal Soldier" and "Catch the Wind" seems so la-la facile when
> compared with stuff from some of his peer folkies.
Universal Soldier is one of the great anti-war songs from the 60s. The
writer, Buffy St Marie, has written a few genuine classics, both protest
songs like My Country Tis Of They People You're Dying, and pop classics
like Until It's Time For You To Go.
Donovan never did so well with protest songs. Filling your glasses with
the wine of murdered negroes is a true embarrassment in Donovan's canon.
Donovan did best with quirky folk songs. He wasn't on Dylan's level, but
I think his two acoustic folk albums are full of treasures that match
the other B class folkies of the time. Circus of Sour and The Summer Day
Reflection Song stand out for me, and the jazzy Sunny Goodge St is
revelatory. Colours, Catch the Wind, Deed I Do, I'll Try For the Sun -
what's not to like?
Later Donovan also had real treasures - Sunny South Kensington, The
Trip, Season of the Witch, Writer in the Sun, Museum...surely that's
about ten. I wouldn't include Universal Soldier in Donovan's ten best
because it's a cover version and it adds nothing to Buffy's version.
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Dec 16, 2011, 8:21:35 PM12/16/11
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>
> You never get around to explaining WHY. This is very characteristic of
> you. You talk in one-word labels.
It's like trying to tell a stranger about rock 'n' roll
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Will Dockery
Dec 16, 2011, 11:52:18 PM12/16/11
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On Dec 16, 4:41 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> And...another troll thread obviously designed to do nothing but bait me
> and others who might not give Donovan as much respect
> And...another troll thread obviously designed to do nothing but bait me
Donovan's done some great work in the past, and deserves some respect,
in my opinion.
as Trolly demands.
>
> I'll waste time responding to this even though it's a 100% guarantee
> that he will answer with something infantile, unreasoned and
> unresponsive. I wonder if he'll deign to address more than one of my
> sentences this time?
>
> Yes, this list doesn't speak too well for Donovan's talents, though I
> don't think even the "perfect" list would either. I don't know if he
> ever wrote a song that I'd call "great." Greatly catchy, maybe.
> "Universal Soldier" and "Catch the Wind" seems so la-la facile when
> compared with stuff from some of his peer folkies. Agreed about
> "Atlantis" being a bum pick. And puzzled that "Sunshine Superman" is
> only #7.
>
> I'm giving the list a fair shake by looking up the songs I don't recall.
> Because unlike Trolly, I'm interested in learning about music and
> exchanging observations about it. Rather than just separating it into
> little shoeboxes based on title words.
>
> > * 10. Turquoise (1965)
>
> This has a nice "mood," but...two chords. Zzzz. Kept hoping it'd go
> somewhere else, as I longed for Tim Buckley to take over. Or someone
> else whose vocals can emotionally get inside a song instead of just
> sounding like a flat recitation. If Dylan wrote this lyric, everyone
> would groan about how "soft" it was. Compare this to something like,
> say, "Love Minus Zero/No Limit." No contest.
>
> > * 6. To Try for the Sun (1966)
>
> Another one of Donovan's capital-F Folk songs. His creative process with
> > * 6. To Try for the Sun (1966)
>
> such tracks seems so painfully calculated to me. I just feel like
> Donovan's influences have shown him what "works" and so he dutifully,
> reverently arranges those elements into his own little pastiche (no
> wonder he soon bailed out into psychedelia). So here's the obligatory
> picking pattern and a tired chord progression, and he sounds sensitive
> and stuff...yay, mission accomplished. And it's so rare to find
> interesting imagery in Donovan songs. He just uses the big, obvious
> symbol words. Here we get wind, city, midnight, rain, tears, sun, sky,
> mist, dawn, flowers...it's Folk Song 101. At least he worked in
> "derelict." A spark of intrigue there.
>
> > * 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972)
>
> Haven't seen this film -- anyone care to endorse it? And again, the big
> > * 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972)
>
> obvious Folk Song images: sun, moon, wind, air, love, heart....
> Whatever. This track seems like a strange choice. Comes off vacant to
> me, like commissioned Donovan's attention is half elsewhere. The mushy
> strings are a cringe, but I'd blame the filmmaker for this more than
> Donovan.
>
> > Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
> > in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
> > soundtrack.
>
> Well, what the heck is on the soundtrack? Just score?
> > Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
> > in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
> > soundtrack.
>
>
> > * Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965)
>
> This isn't great, but I like this better than most of the chosen 10. The
> > * Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965)
>
> melody meanders a bit more and doesn't feel so sing-song circular, and
> the imagery isn't as generic.
>
> Wouldn't it be amazing if RR responded by soberly detailing what he
> admires about these songs rather than just baiting me with his usual
> "You're not a true music fan"/"You're just here to pick fights"
> silliness? You may saaaay I'm a dream-er....
--
Under the Radar & other story-song-poems:
https://will-dockery-and-friends.soundawesome.com/
really real
Dec 17, 2011, 12:06:06 AM12/17/11
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>
> And back to the "You're not a true music fan" baiting again.
if you don't like Donovan, then stay out of the thread.
It's that simple
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Dr_dudley
Dec 17, 2011, 2:05:35 AM12/17/11
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when i was a boy i also liked his cover of Jane Bowers's "Remember the
Alamo".
donovan remember the alamo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBup2JAY0EM
also 1996's Sutras had some good stuff on it; i'm partial to "The Way"
which copped some of its lyric from the Tao te Ching and which i don't
find him performing on U2B.
There is this from that recording, worth a look if only for a really
neat and cool guitar.
Donovan - Please Don't Bend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotiJrUQo_Q
(query: is it true Donovan taught Lennon folk guitar?)
that said, i think the unaltered vocal on "hurdy gurdy" (shall we say
the first :20) is a wonderful example of tonal breath control; no
wonder dylan made him his next victim.
that said furthur, i'll concur with df: dippy, mountain &/or goodge
might bounce some thing or two on this listing.
subjectively with no attempt to shovel the glimpse, i'm glad if he's
being inducted into the (flawed) RnR HoF.
But that's just me.
mingus mellow fantastically yrs,
dudley
___
Donovan - Sunny Goodge Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luxtMLNPZtk
Judy Collins Sunny Goodge Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVNNcok-Mo&feature=fvsr
Donovan - The Universal Soldier [Very Good(+) quality] (Live, 1965)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9-49abv3l8
Buffy Sainte-Marie - Universal Soldier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWsGyNsw00
Bob Dylan And Donovan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6HcA6kEJc
Alamo".
donovan remember the alamo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBup2JAY0EM
also 1996's Sutras had some good stuff on it; i'm partial to "The Way"
which copped some of its lyric from the Tao te Ching and which i don't
find him performing on U2B.
There is this from that recording, worth a look if only for a really
neat and cool guitar.
Donovan - Please Don't Bend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotiJrUQo_Q
(query: is it true Donovan taught Lennon folk guitar?)
that said, i think the unaltered vocal on "hurdy gurdy" (shall we say
the first :20) is a wonderful example of tonal breath control; no
wonder dylan made him his next victim.
that said furthur, i'll concur with df: dippy, mountain &/or goodge
might bounce some thing or two on this listing.
subjectively with no attempt to shovel the glimpse, i'm glad if he's
being inducted into the (flawed) RnR HoF.
But that's just me.
mingus mellow fantastically yrs,
dudley
___
Donovan - Sunny Goodge Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luxtMLNPZtk
Judy Collins Sunny Goodge Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVNNcok-Mo&feature=fvsr
Donovan - The Universal Soldier [Very Good(+) quality] (Live, 1965)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9-49abv3l8
Buffy Sainte-Marie - Universal Soldier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGWsGyNsw00
Bob Dylan And Donovan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6HcA6kEJc
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Dec 17, 2011, 11:05:37 AM12/17/11
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>
> I have two Donovan albums, and would probably buy a third if I saw it
> for cheap.
I'm sure you buy a lot of cheap albums. But I don't think you will ever
understand what makes Donovan great. You're too young to have a folk
sensibility. I don't have a problem with you having this different taste
in music, I only wonder what you are doing in a Dylan newsgroup.
Actually I know what you are doing in this newsgroup and I don't
appreciate it.
>
> Just imagine if you followed your own advice and stayed out of threads
> where you're tempted to "naysay." Wouldn't that be somethin'?
I naysay absurd political statements people make, but you wouldn't catch
me saying negative things about U2's music in a U2 thread, would you?
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 11:14:06 AM12/17/11
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On Dec 17, 12:06 am, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> about the "great" part.
>
> That word seems to be a favorite defense of the Donovan fan...hrm.
>
> So, what are your 10?
That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
Donovan a few years ago.
Some of the original members of my Shadowville All-Stars went
"solo" (or whatever it is called when a backing band moves on without
the original frontman) and the cover of "Fat Angel" is one tune they
took with them and turned into pretty much a masterpiece, really, but
I digress...
Most folks never realized then or now that Dr. Bongo's "Fat Angel Jam"
was a Donovan cover:
http://youtu.be/MZ8N3mY5R_0
Recorded at Dailey's Bar, Columbus, GA (March 3, 2008). Dennis Beck,
guitar/vocals; Gene Woolfolk, Jr., flute; Tony Skahan, guitar; John
Phillips, drums; and Jordan Beck, guitar.
Another favorite Donovan tune we used to cover in a sort of Nashville
Skyline/country style is "Sunshine Superman"... the chords and lyrics
really adapt well as a swaggering country crooner, believe it or not.
So that's two I'd put on a top ten list... more from his psychedelic
period, for sure, and a couple from his mid-90s album recorded with
Rick Ruben... more to come...
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Donovan's done some great work in the past, and deserves some respect,
> > in my opinion.
>
> I wouldn't dispute that he deserves some respect, but I'm not so sure
>
> > Donovan's done some great work in the past, and deserves some respect,
> > in my opinion.
>
> about the "great" part.
>
> That word seems to be a favorite defense of the Donovan fan...hrm.
>
> So, what are your 10?
That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
Donovan a few years ago.
Some of the original members of my Shadowville All-Stars went
"solo" (or whatever it is called when a backing band moves on without
the original frontman) and the cover of "Fat Angel" is one tune they
took with them and turned into pretty much a masterpiece, really, but
I digress...
Most folks never realized then or now that Dr. Bongo's "Fat Angel Jam"
was a Donovan cover:
http://youtu.be/MZ8N3mY5R_0
Recorded at Dailey's Bar, Columbus, GA (March 3, 2008). Dennis Beck,
guitar/vocals; Gene Woolfolk, Jr., flute; Tony Skahan, guitar; John
Phillips, drums; and Jordan Beck, guitar.
Another favorite Donovan tune we used to cover in a sort of Nashville
Skyline/country style is "Sunshine Superman"... the chords and lyrics
really adapt well as a swaggering country crooner, believe it or not.
So that's two I'd put on a top ten list... more from his psychedelic
period, for sure, and a couple from his mid-90s album recorded with
Rick Ruben... more to come...
crazytimes
Dec 17, 2011, 11:24:52 AM12/17/11
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darned good...
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 11:26:54 AM12/17/11
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On Dec 17, 2:05 am, Dr_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> when i was a boy i also liked his cover of Jane Bowers's "Remember the
> Alamo".
>
> donovan remember the alamohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBup2JAY0EM
> when i was a boy i also liked his cover of Jane Bowers's "Remember the
> Alamo".
>
>
> also 1996's Sutras had some good stuff on it; i'm partial to "The Way"
> which copped some of its lyric from the Tao te Ching and which i don't
> find him performing on U2B.
Yes, this was the Rick Ruebin (sp?) produced disc I mentioned.
> also 1996's Sutras had some good stuff on it; i'm partial to "The Way"
> which copped some of its lyric from the Tao te Ching and which i don't
> find him performing on U2B.
A shame it didn't go over, as it was planned to be the first of
several.
> There is this from that recording, worth a look if only for a really
> neat and cool guitar.
>
>
> (query: is it true Donovan taught Lennon folk guitar?)
>
> that said, i think the unaltered vocal on "hurdy gurdy" (shall we say
> the first :20) is a wonderful example of tonal breath control; no
> wonder dylan made him his next victim.
>
> that said furthur, i'll concur with df: dippy, mountain &/or goodge
> might bounce some thing or two on this listing.
>
> subjectively with no attempt to shovel the glimpse, i'm glad if he's
> being inducted into the (flawed) RnR HoF.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> mingus mellow fantastically yrs,
> dudley
> ___
> Donovan - Sunny Goodge Streethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luxtMLNPZtk
> (query: is it true Donovan taught Lennon folk guitar?)
>
> that said, i think the unaltered vocal on "hurdy gurdy" (shall we say
> the first :20) is a wonderful example of tonal breath control; no
> wonder dylan made him his next victim.
>
> that said furthur, i'll concur with df: dippy, mountain &/or goodge
> might bounce some thing or two on this listing.
>
> subjectively with no attempt to shovel the glimpse, i'm glad if he's
> being inducted into the (flawed) RnR HoF.
>
> But that's just me.
>
> mingus mellow fantastically yrs,
> dudley
> ___
>
> Judy Collins Sunny Goodge Streethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVNNcok-Mo&feature=fvsr
>
> Donovan - The Universal Soldier [Very Good(+) quality] (Live, 1965)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9-49abv3l8
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>
> That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
> have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
> Donovan a few years ago.
I also loved the fact that the Jefferson Airplane did it on their first
live album
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> it's so rare to find
> interesting imagery in Donovan songs. He just uses the big, obvious
> symbol words. Here we get wind, city, midnight, rain, tears, sun, sky,
> mist, dawn, flowers...it's Folk Song 101. At least he worked in
> "derelict." A spark of intrigue there.
great song can be made from those big obvious words. It's a kind of folk
music to which you appear to be deaf.
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Dec 17, 2011, 3:09:06 PM12/17/11
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folk singers who are Not Dylan...
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Dec 17, 2011, 3:23:39 PM12/17/11
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On Dec 17, 2:26 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
> > have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
> > Donovan a few years ago.
>
> I love the song but didn't have the nerve to mention it.
Well there's the obvious problem that so many (all?) of Donovan's
>
> That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
> > have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
> > Donovan a few years ago.
>
> I love the song but didn't have the nerve to mention it.
lyrics became so hopelessly dated so quickly, that they have to be
looked at/listened to as period pieces.
> I also loved the fact that the Jefferson Airplane did it on their first
> live album
>
> > Some of the original members of my Shadowville All-Stars went
> > "solo" (or whatever it is called when a backing band moves on without
> > the original frontman) and the cover of "Fat Angel" is one tune they
> > took with them and turned into pretty much a masterpiece, really, but
> > I digress...
>
> > Most folks never realized then or now that Dr. Bongo's "Fat Angel Jam"
> > was a Donovan cover:
>
> >http://youtu.be/MZ8N3mY5R_0
>
> > Recorded at Dailey's Bar, Columbus, GA (March 3, 2008). Dennis Beck,
> > guitar/vocals; Gene Woolfolk, Jr., flute; Tony Skahan, guitar; John
> > Phillips, drums; and Jordan Beck, guitar.
>
> > Another favorite Donovan tune we used to cover in a sort of Nashville
> > Skyline/country style is "Sunshine Superman"... the chords and lyrics
> > really adapt well as a swaggering country crooner, believe it or not.
>
> > So that's two I'd put on a top ten list... more from his psychedelic
> > period, for sure, and a couple from his mid-90s album recorded with
> > Rick Ruben... more to come...
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 3:32:59 PM12/17/11
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On Dec 17, 3:22 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
I kniw it is no surprise that my comment seems to have sailed right
over your head, PR.
> Another Donovan fan who has nothing articulate to say
I think the comparison with "A Mighty Wind" was fairly articulate, and
I was going to post that everyone hears things differently and to
their own perspective in response to this silly non-stop arguing you
seem obsessed with stirring up here.
> defending his "great" music, and pulls the "You're not a true music fan"
> stuff too.
>
> Also: I don't think Donovan would be anywhere NEAR as well-remembered
> today if he had been a pure folkie. It's the psychedelic flavor that
> made him famous.
Read my "Fat Angel" post where I say exactly that, more-or-less. At
least the psychedelic era Donovan is *my* favorite.
> Here's an excerpt of a post I posted once, awhile back.
> ===
> Americana-folksy...hm. I like Dylan, Neil Young, the Band, the Byrds,
> Buffalo Springfield, Simon & Garfunkel, Joni Mitchell, Tim Buckley, Gene
> Clark/Dillard & Clark, Judee Sill, Kaleidoscope (US), the Beau Brummels,
> Skip Spence, the Fugs, Jandek, Fleet Foxes, Elliott Smith, Suzanne Vega,
> the Knitters, Billy Bragg, the Tinklers, Neko Case, Victoria Williams,
> Vic Chesnutt, Amy Correia, the Roches, Mumford & Sons, Gary Louris,
> Chickasaw Mudd Puppies, the Decemberists, Joanna Newsom, Cowboy Junkies,
> some Phil Ochs
Ochs suffers from similar problems as Donovan, but manages to overcome
them sometimes.
Ry Cooder's soundtrack work, Arlo Guthrie's first album
> and relevant material from Paul Simon, Exene Cervenka, Poi Dog
> Pondering, Eugene Chadbourne, Beck, Robin Holcomb and Mark Lanegan.
Good stuff... what do you think of David Blue?
I found some mostly unhead material from him recently on YouTube.
> Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > He should watch "A Mighty Wind" over and over until he understands
> > folk singers who are Not Dylan...
>
> Whaddya know?
> > He should watch "A Mighty Wind" over and over until he understands
> > folk singers who are Not Dylan...
>
I kniw it is no surprise that my comment seems to have sailed right
over your head, PR.
> Another Donovan fan who has nothing articulate to say
I think the comparison with "A Mighty Wind" was fairly articulate, and
I was going to post that everyone hears things differently and to
their own perspective in response to this silly non-stop arguing you
seem obsessed with stirring up here.
> defending his "great" music, and pulls the "You're not a true music fan"
> stuff too.
>
> Also: I don't think Donovan would be anywhere NEAR as well-remembered
> today if he had been a pure folkie. It's the psychedelic flavor that
> made him famous.
Read my "Fat Angel" post where I say exactly that, more-or-less. At
least the psychedelic era Donovan is *my* favorite.
> Here's an excerpt of a post I posted once, awhile back.
> ===
> Americana-folksy...hm. I like Dylan, Neil Young, the Band, the Byrds,
> Buffalo Springfield, Simon & Garfunkel, Joni Mitchell, Tim Buckley, Gene
> Clark/Dillard & Clark, Judee Sill, Kaleidoscope (US), the Beau Brummels,
> Skip Spence, the Fugs, Jandek, Fleet Foxes, Elliott Smith, Suzanne Vega,
> the Knitters, Billy Bragg, the Tinklers, Neko Case, Victoria Williams,
> Vic Chesnutt, Amy Correia, the Roches, Mumford & Sons, Gary Louris,
> Chickasaw Mudd Puppies, the Decemberists, Joanna Newsom, Cowboy Junkies,
> some Phil Ochs
Ochs suffers from similar problems as Donovan, but manages to overcome
them sometimes.
Ry Cooder's soundtrack work, Arlo Guthrie's first album
> and relevant material from Paul Simon, Exene Cervenka, Poi Dog
> Pondering, Eugene Chadbourne, Beck, Robin Holcomb and Mark Lanegan.
Good stuff... what do you think of David Blue?
I found some mostly unhead material from him recently on YouTube.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 3:40:05 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> It seems pretty clear that I perceive the qualities of Donovan's music
I trimmed all your childish insults back to get to your point, PR,
which I guess is that Donovan's songs are not to your taste?
Well, that's the way it is with music, some will like it, some will
not, as John Prine put it:
"That's the way the world goes 'round..."
>
> It seems pretty clear that I perceive the qualities of Donovan's music
I trimmed all your childish insults back to get to your point, PR,
which I guess is that Donovan's songs are not to your taste?
Well, that's the way it is with music, some will like it, some will
not, as John Prine put it:
"That's the way the world goes 'round..."
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:12:16 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
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> A Mighty Wind was about squeaky clean American folk
> with that traditional "Old McDonald" feel. That's not where Donovan is
> at.
Donovan was kind of headed in that direction for sure at the start,
but latched on to the psychedelic thing before too long... I think
actual meeting with Dylan in the "Don't Look Back" period might have
wised him up a bit.
<childish insults from poisoned rose snipped>
> A Mighty Wind was about squeaky clean American folk
> with that traditional "Old McDonald" feel. That's not where Donovan is
> at.
Donovan was kind of headed in that direction for sure at the start,
but latched on to the psychedelic thing before too long... I think
actual meeting with Dylan in the "Don't Look Back" period might have
wised him up a bit.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 4:01:58 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
<childish insults from poisoned rose snipped>
> A Mighty Wind was about squeaky clean American folk
> with that traditional "Old McDonald" feel. That's not where Donovan is
> at.
Donovan was kind of headed in that direction for sure at the start,
but latched on to the psychedelic thing before too long... I think
actual meeting with Dylan in the "Don't Look Back" period might have
wised him up a bit.
<childish insults from poisoned rose snipped>
> A Mighty Wind was about squeaky clean American folk
> with that traditional "Old McDonald" feel. That's not where Donovan is
> at.
Donovan was kind of headed in that direction for sure at the start,
but latched on to the psychedelic thing before too long... I think
actual meeting with Dylan in the "Don't Look Back" period might have
wised him up a bit.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 4:11:12 PM12/17/11
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On Dec 17, 3:10 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
> > have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
> > Donovan a few years ago.
>
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> That would take a bit of thinking (coffee is brewing, though!) but I'd
> > have to include "Fat Angel", which began my revived interest in
> > Donovan a few years ago.
>
> > Another favorite Donovan tune we used to cover in a sort of Nashville
> > Skyline/country style is "Sunshine Superman"... the chords and lyrics
> > really adapt well as a swaggering country crooner, believe it or not.
>
> He does the same thing over and over again during his psychedelic
> > Skyline/country style is "Sunshine Superman"... the chords and lyrics
> > really adapt well as a swaggering country crooner, believe it or not.
>
> period, switching between simple I and IV chords and putting a hard,
> hard stress on the flat-seventh for a "sting." It's not too clever, and
> not too interesting to me. Season of the Witch, Fat Angel, Sunshine
> Superman...those songs that RR suggested before he turned into Trolly
> again, Sunny South Kensington and Museum, do this too.
>
> RR is not musical so he won't know what I'm talking about, but maybe you
> will.
True, I'm not claiming Donovan doesn't have his faults, monotony being
one here, almost of the sort raggae music has, there's the "Donovan
Sound".
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:15:41 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
Oh, I've been pretty critical of Donovan over the decades... heh.
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Well there's the obvious problem that so many (all?) of Donovan's
> > lyrics became so hopelessly dated so quickly, that they have to be
> > looked at/listened to as period pieces.
>
> It's interesting how you turn more articulate when *criticizing* him.
>
>> Well there's the obvious problem that so many (all?) of Donovan's
> > lyrics became so hopelessly dated so quickly, that they have to be
> > looked at/listened to as period pieces.
>
Oh, I've been pretty critical of Donovan over the decades... heh.
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On Dec 17, 4:19 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
"There you go again..." -Ronald Reagan
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> <childish insults from poisoned rose snipped>
>
> You are so full of
>
>> <childish insults from poisoned rose snipped>
>
"There you go again..." -Ronald Reagan
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Dec 17, 2011, 4:51:17 PM12/17/11
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>
> Why do they draw insults from me?'''''' Disgraceful. What a sham.
>
> And to think people still wonder why I harp on people clipping out my
> points so much. As if this doesn't happen again and again and again.
Isn't it a hoot that Eric has no idea why everyone in these newsgroups
is always laughing at him. He has no idea how he looks in our eyes.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 4:52:51 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
>
> I was aware of Dockery being
<snip>
Okay, that's why I post links to my work, so you folks can "become
aware" of me:
A shame you don't seem to be aware of what you come across as here,
Poison, a little more than a poster obsessed with following Really
Real around, tossing childish insults at him.
So you haven't come around to appreciating Donovan's music... perhaps
you never will.
Meanwhile, you seem intent on stamping your little feet, trying to
degrade those of us who do have the insight to appreciate Donovan's
work.
>
> I was aware of Dockery being
<snip>
Okay, that's why I post links to my work, so you folks can "become
aware" of me:
A shame you don't seem to be aware of what you come across as here,
Poison, a little more than a poster obsessed with following Really
Real around, tossing childish insults at him.
So you haven't come around to appreciating Donovan's music... perhaps
you never will.
Meanwhile, you seem intent on stamping your little feet, trying to
degrade those of us who do have the insight to appreciate Donovan's
work.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 4:58:32 PM12/17/11
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again... heh.
PR's so desperate to tear you down that his shallow arguments actually
wind up amplifying your points.
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Dec 17, 2011, 6:29:37 PM12/17/11
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> Isn't a hoot that I foresaw really real starting this thread to become a
> dump-on-PR flamewar from the outset?
Um, Eric, just as we learned the difference between fact and opinion in
grade four, we learned about self fulfilling prophecies in grade six.
You, for some absurd egotistical reason, thought this Donovan thread was
about you. So you jumped in swinging, and now seem amazed that you are
getting flamed in this thread.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 5:59:01 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
>
> *You* are the one saying that I am "wrong" for not liking Donovan.
Since this post is in response to me I assume that this delusional opinion
of persecution is about me, and is far from the truth.
I've had plenty of criticism for Donovan over the 40+ years I've been aware
of him (first encountered him when I happened to buy his "Atlantis" single,
which had "To Susan on the West Coast Waiting", two songs that would make my
top teen, btw), including your point of the repitition, and the sometimes
sappy peace-and-love leanings in the lyrics.
I'm pretty sure I've even posted some things like this about him here over
the last couple of decades, actually.
Then he completely lost his way in the early 1970s when he "got religion",
did some really odd work in the mid-1970s which I may get into later if this
thread can pull back from the usual insult-fest you turn every thread you're
involved in into...
The 1980s were even stranger, what very little work he did release, one or
two in Germany only, where he re-recorded many of his "greatest hits" in
some generic rock style... besides the Sutras in 1996 the last 40 or so
years Donovan really hasn't done much, if anything, of npte.
Still no reason not to "like" Donovan, as his psychedelic era he could
pretty much do no wrong.
>
> *You* are the one saying that I am "wrong" for not liking Donovan.
Since this post is in response to me I assume that this delusional opinion
of persecution is about me, and is far from the truth.
I've had plenty of criticism for Donovan over the 40+ years I've been aware
of him (first encountered him when I happened to buy his "Atlantis" single,
which had "To Susan on the West Coast Waiting", two songs that would make my
top teen, btw), including your point of the repitition, and the sometimes
sappy peace-and-love leanings in the lyrics.
I'm pretty sure I've even posted some things like this about him here over
the last couple of decades, actually.
Then he completely lost his way in the early 1970s when he "got religion",
did some really odd work in the mid-1970s which I may get into later if this
thread can pull back from the usual insult-fest you turn every thread you're
involved in into...
The 1980s were even stranger, what very little work he did release, one or
two in Germany only, where he re-recorded many of his "greatest hits" in
some generic rock style... besides the Sutras in 1996 the last 40 or so
years Donovan really hasn't done much, if anything, of npte.
Still no reason not to "like" Donovan, as his psychedelic era he could
pretty much do no wrong.
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Dec 17, 2011, 6:45:23 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
>
> he casually labeled some Donovan songs
> "great"/"classic"/"treasure,"
And for good reason, since Donovan created quite a few works which live up
to this praise... don't agree?
You have the right to your opinion, PR.
>
> he casually labeled some Donovan songs
> "great"/"classic"/"treasure,"
And for good reason, since Donovan created quite a few works which live up
to this praise... don't agree?
You have the right to your opinion, PR.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 6:46:36 PM12/17/11
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could possibly be about him?!?
Bizarre, but it sure looks that way.
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Dec 17, 2011, 7:22:58 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
>"You don't
> understand Donovan's significance because you don't understand folk"
That's a misrepresentation of what I wrote, which is no surprise
coming from you.
> "Donovan's significance is mostly based on his psychedelic period"
My post was from my presonal perspective, unlike you I don't pretend
to be the authority on all these subjects, PR.
>
>"You don't
> understand Donovan's significance because you don't understand folk"
That's a misrepresentation of what I wrote, which is no surprise
coming from you.
> "Donovan's significance is mostly based on his psychedelic period"
My post was from my presonal perspective, unlike you I don't pretend
to be the authority on all these subjects, PR.
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Dec 17, 2011, 7:24:10 PM12/17/11
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> And...another troll thread obviously designed to do nothing but bait me
> and others who might not give Donovan as much respect as Trolly demands.
This could have been a good thread, but whoever said your comment was a
"self-fulfilling prophecy" was right on the money.
Don't encourage him. Wait until he actually trolls before accusing him of
trolling.
Anyway...
I had a few Donovan albums back in the day when they first came out.
Gradually grew out of them when I moved on from my "folkie/psychedelic
light" infatuation. But listening to his stuff these days brings a feeling
of nostalgia.
Anyone old enough to remember that "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" rapidly
turned into a perfume commercial? (Aired on the Smothers Brothers and
Laugh-In shows, among others).
Best stuff? I dunno, I thought "Catch The Wind" was a good song although
simple in structure. Sometimes simple is good. Otherwise, I guess I liked
most of the popular stuff, "Sunshine Superman", "Mellow Yellow", "Season of
the Witch", "Hurdy Gurdy Man".
"There is a Mountain" was pretty boring but the Allman Brothers turned it
into a nice guitar-based instrumental with a bit of bluesy swing.
"Atlantis" was excellent, in my humble opinion. Still is.
I'm not gonna rank 'em.
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> And...another troll thread obviously designed to do nothing but bait me
> and others who might not give Donovan as much respect as Trolly demands.
This could have been a good thread, but whoever said your comment was a
"self-fulfilling prophecy" was right on the money.
Don't encourage him. Wait until he actually trolls before accusing him of
trolling.
Anyway...
I had a few Donovan albums back in the day when they first came out.
Gradually grew out of them when I moved on from my "folkie/psychedelic
light" infatuation. But listening to his stuff these days brings a feeling
of nostalgia.
Anyone old enough to remember that "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" rapidly
turned into a perfume commercial? (Aired on the Smothers Brothers and
Laugh-In shows, among others).
Best stuff? I dunno, I thought "Catch The Wind" was a good song although
simple in structure. Sometimes simple is good. Otherwise, I guess I liked
most of the popular stuff, "Sunshine Superman", "Mellow Yellow", "Season of
the Witch", "Hurdy Gurdy Man".
"There is a Mountain" was pretty boring but the Allman Brothers turned it
into a nice guitar-based instrumental with a bit of bluesy swing.
"Atlantis" was excellent, in my humble opinion. Still is.
I'm not gonna rank 'em.
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Dec 17, 2011, 7:32:33 PM12/17/11
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>
> It's just hilarious how you contradict yourself in alternating posts.
> And even within posts.
>
>
you don't get it, do you Eric. No one wants to read this bullshit. Will
Dockery posted something interesting here about his history with Donovan
records, and his feelings about how Donovan lost his way.
Why would you jump in to give your convoluted defense of yourself? No
one cares about that. Let Will discuss Donovan and leave this thread alone.
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Dec 17, 2011, 8:02:06 PM12/17/11
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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> If you were interested in
> discussing Donovan, you would have discussed Donovan.
That's what we're doing, am I right?
My perception of Donovan is that he had an "idea" of the sweet
"sincere" folkie, which seems to have changed after actually meeting
Dylan... which led to the changes in his style.
>
> If you were interested in
> discussing Donovan, you would have discussed Donovan.
That's what we're doing, am I right?
My perception of Donovan is that he had an "idea" of the sweet
"sincere" folkie, which seems to have changed after actually meeting
Dylan... which led to the changes in his style.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 8:05:16 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 8:19:42 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> Yeah, I guess I was "misrepresenting" the vast difference between you
>
> "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> saying I don't understand folk and you saying I don't understand folk.
Hold it PR, let's try this again... maybe you should read slowly this
time.
I did *not* write that you "don't understand folk" but rather "folk
singers who are Not Dylan".
There's a big difference there.
really real
Dec 17, 2011, 8:21:27 PM12/17/11
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>
> Then he completely lost his way in the early 1970s when he "got religion",
> did some really odd work in the mid-1970s which I may get into later
two disc box set with the picture of the Maharishi on the cover and the
admonition for the youth of today to give up ALL drugs.
I think there was one song on that I liked - Under the Greenwood Tree,
and that was written by Shakespeare.
Okay, the Tinker and the Crab was good too.
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Dec 17, 2011, 8:28:37 PM12/17/11
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>
> My initial Donovan criticisms continue to go 100% untouched.
I did point out that your criticism of I'll Try For the Sun for using
obvious symbols was similar to your inability to appreciate The Lady
Came From Baltimore.
The real question is, why can't you discuss Donovan in these threads
without all the flaming and name calling?
Your lucky there's no age limit in this newsgroup,but just because
you're only thirteen is no reason to act like a jerk all the time.
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Dec 17, 2011, 8:48:40 PM12/17/11
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>
> Why not just be honest? Why not just acknowledge the condescending spin
> of describing my indifference toward a song as "an inability to
> appreciate," thus implying that I have an obvious shortcoming?
No, Eric, your inability to appreciate Donovan is no problem at all for
me. I like discussing music with people who have a different take on things.
What I don't like is the way you inject yourself into these threads as
if everything is about you. You wreck a lot of threads this way with
your insults and name calling. You seem to have an inability to
communicate properly in newsgroups.
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Dec 17, 2011, 10:24:46 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
<snip for focus>
> > > "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> > > folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> > > Yeah, I guess I was "misrepresenting" the vast difference between you
> > > saying I don't understand folk and you saying I don't understand folk.
Not the entire genre of /Folk/... see below.
> > Hold it PR, let's try this again... maybe you should read slowly this
> > time.
>
> > I did *not* write that you "don't understand folk" but rather that you don't seem to understand that type of "folk
> > singers" of that era who were "Not Dylan".
believe you're just here to argue.
> Oh, give me a break. I actually thought to myself beforehand
<continued name-calling & insults snipped>
Okay, so at least you *thought* about it... heh.
<snip for focus>
> > > "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> > > folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> > > Yeah, I guess I was "misrepresenting" the vast difference between you
> > > saying I don't understand folk and you saying I don't understand folk.
> > Hold it PR, let's try this again... maybe you should read slowly this
> > time.
>
> > singers" of that era who were "Not Dylan".
>
> > There's a big difference there.
Hard to believe you don't get the difference, PR, which leads me to
> > There's a big difference there.
believe you're just here to argue.
> Oh, give me a break. I actually thought to myself beforehand
<continued name-calling & insults snipped>
Okay, so at least you *thought* about it... heh.
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Dec 17, 2011, 11:10:24 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> For dishonest evasion
Not at all, PR, it was you who made the dishonest misrepresentation of
what I wrote, and I'm here now to set the record straight.
Or maybe you're projecting and you mean *your* "dishonest evasion,
which has been all over this thread, as all you can do when backed in
a corner is whine your childish insults and namecalling, PR.
> > > > > "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> > > > > folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> > > > > Yeah, I guess I was "misrepresenting" the vast difference between you
> > > > > saying I don't understand folk and you saying I don't understand folk.
>
> > Not the entire genre of /Folk/... see below.
>
> Pathetic.
You really *don't* understand what I meant... do you?
Now /that/ is pathetic.
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> For dishonest evasion
Not at all, PR, it was you who made the dishonest misrepresentation of
what I wrote, and I'm here now to set the record straight.
Or maybe you're projecting and you mean *your* "dishonest evasion,
which has been all over this thread, as all you can do when backed in
a corner is whine your childish insults and namecalling, PR.
> > > > > "He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands
> > > > > folk singers who are Not Dylan..."
>
> > > > > Yeah, I guess I was "misrepresenting" the vast difference between you
> > > > > saying I don't understand folk and you saying I don't understand folk.
>
> > Not the entire genre of /Folk/... see below.
>
You really *don't* understand what I meant... do you?
Now /that/ is pathetic.
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Dec 17, 2011, 11:30:07 PM12/17/11
to
from the press that began to be directed at Donovan around that time.
Maybe I'll go to YouTube and see if these might be there... looks like
it may be turning into a Donovan Christmas again... heh.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 11:25:39 PM12/17/11
to
poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> When you said I should watch A Mighty Wind so that I can understand
> non-Dylan folk,
Or the sort of mindset I percieve Donovan being in before his meeting
with Dylan, and of course his other associates that were soon to
come.
> what you REALLY meant was that Donovan's style changed
> direction after meeting Dylan.
Donovan's style, way of thinking to a large extent, and so on, yes.
Dylan "going electric" no doubt had an influence on Donovan's
"Sunshine Superman"/"Mellow Yellow" phase... and whether it is to your
taste or not, the music during those days on Donovan records was truly
phenonmenal, with pretty much all of Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck Band,
et cetera as his backing band at various times.
Classic psychedelic folk-rock of the era?
No doubt about it.
>
> When you said I should watch A Mighty Wind so that I can understand
> non-Dylan folk,
Or the sort of mindset I percieve Donovan being in before his meeting
with Dylan, and of course his other associates that were soon to
come.
> what you REALLY meant was that Donovan's style changed
> direction after meeting Dylan.
Donovan's style, way of thinking to a large extent, and so on, yes.
Dylan "going electric" no doubt had an influence on Donovan's
"Sunshine Superman"/"Mellow Yellow" phase... and whether it is to your
taste or not, the music during those days on Donovan records was truly
phenonmenal, with pretty much all of Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck Band,
et cetera as his backing band at various times.
Classic psychedelic folk-rock of the era?
No doubt about it.
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Dec 17, 2011, 11:58:54 PM12/17/11
to
poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
No, that's not what I was "saying", but was making reference to a
specific /type/ of Folk Music, that Donovan seemed to buying into in
the earlier days, while also developing his somewhat naive version of
Dylan through this perspective.
I do enjoy a lot of Donovan's early, sappy-yet-sincere overly strident
folk songs of the early days, though I can understand (and have
actually seen) why some of the more hip folkies would sneer at this
*type* of folk music, the type that things like "A Mighty Wind"
explore.
I don't know you, and have very little idea of what you *really*
understand, but you sure don't seem to understand the Donovan story.
Which, of course, is no crime.
> When you said I should watch A Mighty Wind so that I can understand
> non-Dylan folk,
Or the sort of mindset I percieve Donovan being in before his meeting
with Dylan, and of course his other associates that were soon to
come.
> what you REALLY meant was that Donovan's style changed
> direction after meeting Dylan.
Donovan's style, way of thinking to a large extent, and so on, yes.
Dylan "going electric" no doubt had an influence on Donovan's
"Sunshine Superman"/"Mellow Yellow" phase... and whether it is to your
taste or not, the music during those days on Donovan records was truly
phenonmenal, with pretty much all of Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck Band,
et cetera as his backing band at various times.
Classic psychedelic folk-rock of the era?
No doubt about it.
>
> You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
No, that's not what I was "saying", but was making reference to a
specific /type/ of Folk Music, that Donovan seemed to buying into in
the earlier days, while also developing his somewhat naive version of
Dylan through this perspective.
I do enjoy a lot of Donovan's early, sappy-yet-sincere overly strident
folk songs of the early days, though I can understand (and have
actually seen) why some of the more hip folkies would sneer at this
*type* of folk music, the type that things like "A Mighty Wind"
explore.
I don't know you, and have very little idea of what you *really*
understand, but you sure don't seem to understand the Donovan story.
Which, of course, is no crime.
> When you said I should watch A Mighty Wind so that I can understand
> non-Dylan folk,
Or the sort of mindset I percieve Donovan being in before his meeting
with Dylan, and of course his other associates that were soon to
come.
> what you REALLY meant was that Donovan's style changed
> direction after meeting Dylan.
Donovan's style, way of thinking to a large extent, and so on, yes.
Dylan "going electric" no doubt had an influence on Donovan's
"Sunshine Superman"/"Mellow Yellow" phase... and whether it is to your
taste or not, the music during those days on Donovan records was truly
phenonmenal, with pretty much all of Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck Band,
et cetera as his backing band at various times.
Classic psychedelic folk-rock of the era?
No doubt about it.
Will Dockery
Dec 18, 2011, 12:02:14 AM12/18/11
to
poisoned rose wrote:
>
> I wonder how many sentences you'll clip from this post?
I usually always snip out misprepresentations of me, false statements
and general bullshit... which in the case of your posts sometimes
leaves very little, PR.
>
> I wonder how many sentences you'll clip from this post?
I usually always snip out misprepresentations of me, false statements
and general bullshit... which in the case of your posts sometimes
leaves very little, PR.
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Dec 18, 2011, 12:23:45 AM12/18/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
> views on Donovan are invalid. And yours are wonderfully correct.
No, you're mistaken about that, pal, I pointed out that you don't seem
to understand all the aspects of the folkies that you seem to want to
understand, true, but that isn't a crime.
Neither are your childish insults and namecalling, but it sure makes
an interesting conversation here difficult, and you seem to want to
derail so many of them with that tactic.
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
>
> > No, that's not what I was "saying", but was making reference to a
> > specific /type/ of Folk Music, that Donovan seemed to buying into in
> > the earlier days, while also developing his somewhat naive version of
> > Dylan through this perspective.
>
> > I do enjoy a lot of Donovan's early, sappy-yet-sincere overly strident
> > folk songs of the early days, though I can understand (and have
> > actually seen) why some of the more hip folkies would sneer at this
> > *type* of folk music, the type that things like "A Mighty Wind"
> > explore.
>
> > I don't know you, and have very little idea of what you *really*
> > understand, but you sure don't seem to understand the Donovan story.
>
> > Which, of course, is no crime.
>
> Of course it's a "crime," in context of this thread. It means all my
>
> > You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
>
> > No, that's not what I was "saying", but was making reference to a
> > specific /type/ of Folk Music, that Donovan seemed to buying into in
> > the earlier days, while also developing his somewhat naive version of
> > Dylan through this perspective.
>
> > I do enjoy a lot of Donovan's early, sappy-yet-sincere overly strident
> > folk songs of the early days, though I can understand (and have
> > actually seen) why some of the more hip folkies would sneer at this
> > *type* of folk music, the type that things like "A Mighty Wind"
> > explore.
>
> > I don't know you, and have very little idea of what you *really*
> > understand, but you sure don't seem to understand the Donovan story.
>
> > Which, of course, is no crime.
>
> views on Donovan are invalid. And yours are wonderfully correct.
No, you're mistaken about that, pal, I pointed out that you don't seem
to understand all the aspects of the folkies that you seem to want to
understand, true, but that isn't a crime.
Neither are your childish insults and namecalling, but it sure makes
an interesting conversation here difficult, and you seem to want to
derail so many of them with that tactic.
Will Dockery
Dec 18, 2011, 12:35:22 AM12/18/11
to
poisoned rose wrote:
>
> You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
Wrong.
>
> You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
And though I've corrected you numerous times tonight about this, you
persist in posting this misrepresentation of me... interesting.
Here's some of what I corrected you on about this, earlier, since I
still have it in my copy-paste file, PR:
> The crucial part is you saying that I'm so-so
> on Donovan not because I simply have different tastes, but because I
> lack "insight."
That's the impression you give me, PR, that you have a very shallow
understanding of Donovan and other issues, and then proceed to pretend
to be an authority of the subjects.
> > You're saying that I don't understand any folk except Dylan.
>
> > No, that's not what I was "saying", but was making reference to a
> > specific /type/ of Folk Music, that Donovan seemed to buying into in
> > the earlier days, while also developing his somewhat naive version of
> > Dylan through this perspective.
>
> > I do enjoy a lot of Donovan's early, sappy-yet-sincere overly strident
> > folk songs of the early days, though I can understand (and have
> > actually seen) why some of the more hip folkies would sneer at this
> > *type* of folk music, the type that things like "A Mighty Wind"
> > explore.
>
> > I don't know you, and have very little idea of what you *really*
> > understand, but you sure don't seem to understand the Donovan story.
>
> > Which, of course, is no crime.
>
> Of course it's a "crime," in context of this thread. It means all my
> views on Donovan are invalid. And yours are wonderfully correct.
No, you're mistaken about that, pal, I pointed out that you don't seem
to understand all the aspects of the folkies that you seem to want to
understand, true, but that isn't a crime.
Neither are your childish insults and namecalling, but it sure makes
an interesting conversation here difficult, and you seem to want to
derail so many of them with that tactic.
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Dec 18, 2011, 12:56:22 AM12/18/11
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poisoned rose wrote:
>
> You EXACTLY say that I don't understand any
> folk except Dylan
Nope, that's not what I wrote at all, PR.
>
> You EXACTLY say that I don't understand any
> folk except Dylan
Nope, that's not what I wrote at all, PR.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 6:35:16 PM12/17/11
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"really real" <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:nB9Hq.27698$LO2....@newsfe13.iad...
>
>> Isn't a hoot that I foresaw really real starting this thread to become a
>> dump-on-PR flamewar from the outset?
>
> Um, Eric, just as we learned the difference between fact and opinion in
> grade four, we learned about self fulfilling prophecies in grade six.
>
> You, for some absurd egotistical reason, thought this Donovan thread was
> about you. So you jumped in swinging, and now seem amazed that you are
> getting flamed in this thread.
How can Poisoned Rose be so delusional that he'd think a Donovan thread
could possibly be about him?!?
Bizarre, but it sure looks that way.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 6:40:45 PM12/17/11
to
poisoned rose wrote:
>
> he casually labeled some Donovan songs
> "great"/"classic"/"treasure,"
And for good reason, since Donovan created quite a few works which live up
to this praise... don't agree?
You have the right to your opinion, PR.
>
> he casually labeled some Donovan songs
> "great"/"classic"/"treasure,"
And for good reason, since Donovan created quite a few works which live up
to this praise... don't agree?
You have the right to your opinion, PR.
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 7:00:01 PM12/17/11
to
poisoned rose wrote:
>
> AND you're still contradicting yourself with the opposing "You don't
> understand Donovan's significance because you don't understand folk"
That's a misrepresentation of what I wrote, which is no surprise coming from
you.
> "Donovan's significance is mostly based on his psychedelic period"
My post was from my presonal perspective, unlike you I don't pretend to be
the authority on all these subjects, PR.
>
> AND you're still contradicting yourself with the opposing "You don't
> understand Donovan's significance because you don't understand folk"
That's a misrepresentation of what I wrote, which is no surprise coming from
you.
> "Donovan's significance is mostly based on his psychedelic period"
My post was from my presonal perspective, unlike you I don't pretend to be
the authority on all these subjects, PR.
Will Dockery
Dec 18, 2011, 1:00:57 AM12/18/11
to
poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> You AGREED with me about Donovan's psychedelic music being prone to
> monotony and formula.
And what's the problem with *agreeing* with you on some points, PR?
My problem with your is your tendancy to want to swagger around the
newsgroup, dishing out childish insults and name-calling, then
bitterly whining and complaining when someone comes along and gives
you your come-uppance.
Grow up, kid...
>
> You AGREED with me about Donovan's psychedelic music being prone to
> monotony and formula.
And what's the problem with *agreeing* with you on some points, PR?
My problem with your is your tendancy to want to swagger around the
newsgroup, dishing out childish insults and name-calling, then
bitterly whining and complaining when someone comes along and gives
you your come-uppance.
Grow up, kid...
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 7:44:11 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
My perception of Donovan is that he had an "idea" of the sweet "sincere"
folkie, which seems to have changed after actually meeting Dylan... which
led to the changes in his style.
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
folkie, which seems to have changed after actually meeting Dylan... which
led to the changes in his style.
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Dec 17, 2011, 7:47:58 PM12/17/11
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"poisoned rose" <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> If you were interested in
> discussing Donovan, you would have discussed Donovan.
That's what we're doing, am I right?
>
> If you were interested in
> discussing Donovan, you would have discussed Donovan.
That's what we're doing, am I right?
Will Dockery
Dec 17, 2011, 7:49:14 PM12/17/11
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poisoned rose <pro...@poisonedrose.com> wrote:
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
<snip for focus>
> saying understanding folk is
> crucial to understanding Donovan's importance and saying Donovan's
> importance is largely based on his psychedelic work.
No, what I wrote was:
"He should watch 'A Mighty Wind' over and over until he understands folk
singers who are Not Dylan..."
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On Dec 16, 10:12 am, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> For those among us who hate lists, this ten best Donovan songs is a
> classic. It contains Atlantis, which I consider one of his worst songs,
> and Brother Sun, Sister Moon, which is so obscure, I don't even have a
> copy. Jennifer Juniper is also a bit cringy. At least they didn't
> include I Love My Shirt.
>
> What, no Epistle to Dippy or There is a Mountain?
>
> The List: Best Donovan songs from the Washington Times
>
> Scottish singer-songwriter Donovan Leitch is one of 11 being inducted
> into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 class. Donovan, who was
> Britain's answer to America's Bob Dylan, had 12 top-40 hits between 1965
> and 1969 in the United States; his style appealed to the counterculture
> and beatnik era.
> The List this week looks at Donovan's best top-10 songs.
> * 10. Turquoise (1965) - This song was one of 40 songs on a portable
> jukebox owned by John Lennon. Donovan said he wrote the song about folk
> singer Joan Baez, who later recorded a version. The song bombed on the
> charts in the United Kingdom and the United States but has become a
> favorite among Donovan fans.
> Your smile beams like sunlight, On a gull's wing; and the leaves, Dance
> and play after you.
> * 9. Atlantis (1968) - This idealistic song about the mythological
> Atlantis was a huge hit in Europe. Even though much of the song is
> spoken prose and not necessarily radio-friendly, the tune reached No. 7
> in the U.S. It was on the B-side of "To Susan on the West Coast, Waiting."
> And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, Let us rejoice and
> let us sing and dance and ring in the new, Hail Atlantis!
> * 8. Mellow Yellow (1966) - This Beatle-type song was Donovan's
> second-biggest hit, reaching No. 2 in the U.S. and No. 8 the following
> year on the British charts. Ironically, Donovan helped with the lyrics
> of the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine," also released in 1966.
> I'm just mad about Saffron, Saffron's mad about me, I'm just mad about
> Saffron, She's just mad about me.
> * 7. Sunshine Superman (1966) - At the height of the hippie subculture,
> Donovan scored his first and only No. 1 hit in the U.S. with this
> jaunty, and likely drug-induced, song, which later reached No. 2 on the
> British charts. It was the title track of Donovan's third album,
> "Sunshine Superman." The song was written for Donovan's future wife
> Linda Lawrence. Jimmy Page played guitar on it.
> Sunshine came softly through my a-window today, Could've tripped out
> easy a-but I've a-changed my ways.
> * 6. To Try for the Sun (1966) - This delightful folk song was released
> as a single in the United States in January 1966. The song is about
> Donovan's early days, when he traveled to Ives in Cornwall with his road
> buddy Gypsy Dave.
> And who's going to be the one, To say it was no good what we done? I
> dare a man to say I'm too young, For I'm going to try for the sun.
> * 5. Hurdy Gurdy Man (1968) - This psychedelic rock song with an Indian
> influence reached No. 5 in the U.S. and No. 4 on the U.K. charts. On
> several concert recordings, Donovan tells the audience there is an
> additional verse written by Beatle George Harrison that was not part of
> the original single.
> Down through all eternity, The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the
> Hurdy Gurdy Man, Comes singing songs of love.
> * 4. Jennifer Juniper (1968) - This flower-power song was written about
> Jenny Boyd, the sister of Pattie Boyd, who married Beatle George
> Harrison. Donovan was dating Ms. Boyd when he and the Beatles visited
> the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh, India. The last verse of the
> song is sung in French.
> Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill, Jennifer Juniper, sitting very
> still, Is she sleeping? I don't think so.
> * 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972) - This enchanting song was the
> title song for Franco Zeffirelli's film on the life of St. Francis of
> Assisi, "Brother Son, Sister Moon." Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
> in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
> soundtrack. In 2004, Donovan rerecorded all the songs exclusively for
> iTunes from the long out-of-print soundtrack with just his guitar.
> Brother Sun and Sister Moon, I seldom see you seldom hear your tune,
> Preoccupied with selfish misery.
> * 2. Universal Soldier (1965) - This anti-war folk song was written and
> recorded by Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie in
> 1964.Donovan recorded the song as part of an extended play album. It was
> never released as a single, but the EP reached No. 5 in the United
> Kingdom and later No. 23 on the Billboard charts.
> He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four, He fights with missiles and
> with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, He's been
> a soldier for a thousand years.
> * 1. Catch the Wind (1965) - This was Donovan's first hit. It reached
> No. 4 in the United Kingdom and No. 23 in the United States. The song
> was rerecorded for Donovan's first album, "What's Bin Did and What's Bin
> Hid," without the vocal echo and strings. The song has been used in many
> commercials and covered by numerous recording artists.
> In the chilly hours and minutes, Of uncertainty, I want to be, In the
> warm hold of your loving mind.
> * Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965) - This delightful folk ballad is
> featured in a memorable scene in D.A. Pennebaker's 1967 documentary
> "Don't Look Back" about Bob Dylan's 1965 tour of England. Donovan sings
> the song for Mr. Dylan in a hotel room. "That's a great song," Mr.
> Dylansays. Donovan then asks Mr. Dylan to sing "It's All Over Now, Baby
> Blue," which the American legend does in emphatic fashion, almost
> spitting it out.
> When you're feeling kind of lonesome in your mind, With a heartache
> following you so close behind, Call out to me as I ramble by, I'll sing
> a song for you.
What was the Andy Warhol film where somebody (Joe Dellesandro maybe?)
is labeled a loser by another character because he sits around reading
Bob Dylan liner notes?
> For those among us who hate lists, this ten best Donovan songs is a
> classic. It contains Atlantis, which I consider one of his worst songs,
> and Brother Sun, Sister Moon, which is so obscure, I don't even have a
> copy. Jennifer Juniper is also a bit cringy. At least they didn't
> include I Love My Shirt.
>
> What, no Epistle to Dippy or There is a Mountain?
>
> The List: Best Donovan songs from the Washington Times
>
> Scottish singer-songwriter Donovan Leitch is one of 11 being inducted
> into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2012 class. Donovan, who was
> Britain's answer to America's Bob Dylan, had 12 top-40 hits between 1965
> and 1969 in the United States; his style appealed to the counterculture
> and beatnik era.
> The List this week looks at Donovan's best top-10 songs.
> * 10. Turquoise (1965) - This song was one of 40 songs on a portable
> jukebox owned by John Lennon. Donovan said he wrote the song about folk
> singer Joan Baez, who later recorded a version. The song bombed on the
> charts in the United Kingdom and the United States but has become a
> favorite among Donovan fans.
> Your smile beams like sunlight, On a gull's wing; and the leaves, Dance
> and play after you.
> * 9. Atlantis (1968) - This idealistic song about the mythological
> Atlantis was a huge hit in Europe. Even though much of the song is
> spoken prose and not necessarily radio-friendly, the tune reached No. 7
> in the U.S. It was on the B-side of "To Susan on the West Coast, Waiting."
> And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, Let us rejoice and
> let us sing and dance and ring in the new, Hail Atlantis!
> * 8. Mellow Yellow (1966) - This Beatle-type song was Donovan's
> second-biggest hit, reaching No. 2 in the U.S. and No. 8 the following
> year on the British charts. Ironically, Donovan helped with the lyrics
> of the Beatles song "Yellow Submarine," also released in 1966.
> I'm just mad about Saffron, Saffron's mad about me, I'm just mad about
> Saffron, She's just mad about me.
> * 7. Sunshine Superman (1966) - At the height of the hippie subculture,
> Donovan scored his first and only No. 1 hit in the U.S. with this
> jaunty, and likely drug-induced, song, which later reached No. 2 on the
> British charts. It was the title track of Donovan's third album,
> "Sunshine Superman." The song was written for Donovan's future wife
> Linda Lawrence. Jimmy Page played guitar on it.
> Sunshine came softly through my a-window today, Could've tripped out
> easy a-but I've a-changed my ways.
> * 6. To Try for the Sun (1966) - This delightful folk song was released
> as a single in the United States in January 1966. The song is about
> Donovan's early days, when he traveled to Ives in Cornwall with his road
> buddy Gypsy Dave.
> And who's going to be the one, To say it was no good what we done? I
> dare a man to say I'm too young, For I'm going to try for the sun.
> * 5. Hurdy Gurdy Man (1968) - This psychedelic rock song with an Indian
> influence reached No. 5 in the U.S. and No. 4 on the U.K. charts. On
> several concert recordings, Donovan tells the audience there is an
> additional verse written by Beatle George Harrison that was not part of
> the original single.
> Down through all eternity, The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the
> Hurdy Gurdy Man, Comes singing songs of love.
> * 4. Jennifer Juniper (1968) - This flower-power song was written about
> Jenny Boyd, the sister of Pattie Boyd, who married Beatle George
> Harrison. Donovan was dating Ms. Boyd when he and the Beatles visited
> the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh, India. The last verse of the
> song is sung in French.
> Jennifer Juniper lives upon the hill, Jennifer Juniper, sitting very
> still, Is she sleeping? I don't think so.
> * 3. Brother Son, Sister Moon (1972) - This enchanting song was the
> title song for Franco Zeffirelli's film on the life of St. Francis of
> Assisi, "Brother Son, Sister Moon." Donovan wrote and sang all the songs
> in the film, but none of Donovan's original recordings appeared on the
> soundtrack. In 2004, Donovan rerecorded all the songs exclusively for
> iTunes from the long out-of-print soundtrack with just his guitar.
> Brother Sun and Sister Moon, I seldom see you seldom hear your tune,
> Preoccupied with selfish misery.
> * 2. Universal Soldier (1965) - This anti-war folk song was written and
> recorded by Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie in
> 1964.Donovan recorded the song as part of an extended play album. It was
> never released as a single, but the EP reached No. 5 in the United
> Kingdom and later No. 23 on the Billboard charts.
> He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four, He fights with missiles and
> with spears. He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen, He's been
> a soldier for a thousand years.
> * 1. Catch the Wind (1965) - This was Donovan's first hit. It reached
> No. 4 in the United Kingdom and No. 23 in the United States. The song
> was rerecorded for Donovan's first album, "What's Bin Did and What's Bin
> Hid," without the vocal echo and strings. The song has been used in many
> commercials and covered by numerous recording artists.
> In the chilly hours and minutes, Of uncertainty, I want to be, In the
> warm hold of your loving mind.
> * Bonus track: To Sing for You (1965) - This delightful folk ballad is
> featured in a memorable scene in D.A. Pennebaker's 1967 documentary
> "Don't Look Back" about Bob Dylan's 1965 tour of England. Donovan sings
> the song for Mr. Dylan in a hotel room. "That's a great song," Mr.
> Dylansays. Donovan then asks Mr. Dylan to sing "It's All Over Now, Baby
> Blue," which the American legend does in emphatic fashion, almost
> spitting it out.
> When you're feeling kind of lonesome in your mind, With a heartache
> following you so close behind, Call out to me as I ramble by, I'll sing
> a song for you.
What was the Andy Warhol film where somebody (Joe Dellesandro maybe?)
is labeled a loser by another character because he sits around reading
Bob Dylan liner notes?
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