Jehovah's Witnesses and Bob Dylan
really real
like their sincerity and their craziness and it's a good way to try out
my arguing skills so I can partake in religious newsgroups like this one.
So, when these two young JW women showed up yesterday I invited them in.
I was working away at my desk on a major sorting project and I told them
I could talk to them while I worked Meanwhile, my bobpod was on Shuffle,
and Dylan's Here Comes Santa Claus started playing.
I asked them what they thought of Dylan's xmas album. Of course, JW's
don't celebrate xmas. As the instrumental part of the song played, one
of them said the song seemed slightly familiar. I asked what they
thought of Dylan's voice and the other one said excitedly that Bob Dylan
has a wonderful voice. Then Dylan started his singing. Actually, it
didn't sound so bad at all.Funny how the audience sometimes determines
the sound.
They asked me if I ever wondered why god allows so much suffering in the
land. I quoted back the Nick Cave lyric about not believing in an
Interventionist God. It turns out JW's believe in a pantheon of magical
spirits - angels and the like. At least these JW's did.
Mr Jinx
Thank you for that insight into your world, rr. I think maybe you
took a shine to those two witnesses. You seemed to let them off
rather lightly.
I have a Jehovah's Witness that comes into where I work. She is an old
lady. Always hands me a copy of Watchtower and talks about the
weather. She has never tried to convert me. Maybe I just don't look
the convertable type.
Next time she comes I'm going to force her to listen to five or six
NET shows.
Mr Jinx
really real
>
> Thank you for that insight into your world, rr. I think maybe you
> took a shine to those two witnesses. You seemed to let them off
> rather lightly.
>
> I have a Jehovah's Witness that comes into where I work. She is an old
> lady. Always hands me a copy of Watchtower and talks about the
> weather. She has never tried to convert me. Maybe I just don't look
> the convertable type.
>
> Next time she comes I'm going to force her to listen to five or six
> NET shows.
Previously, I had a Jehovah's Witness who taught animation at the art
school. I was telling him now my god-concept comes from Philip K Dick
sci fi novels and it turned out he was a sci fi fan.He was also a huge
fan of New Orleans music and soul. I turned him onto Amy Winehouse. We
wouldn't even bother talking about religion when he'd visit.
I've always liked JW's. When I was a teacher, they were some of my best
students. I would volunteer to supervise them in the library when they
couldn't go to the Remembrance Day Assembly. The students were always
very bright and friendly.
I remember a grade nine girl who told me she couldn't watch Casablanca
because her religion banned her from war activities. Talking her into
watching it was one of my career victories. She loved the movie.
Robert
who was a Jehovah's Witness. I hadn't seen her since we were kids.
She gave up trying to convert me the first night. It was a memorable
time, sitting on her front porch swing, playing and picking old folk
songs, sipping hard liquor, and talking about life's twists and turns.
Mr Jinx
> really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > I'm the kind of guy who actually likes to talk to Jehovah's Witnesses. I
> > like their sincerity and their craziness and it's a good way to try out
> > my arguing skills so I can partake in religious newsgroups like this one.
>
>
> There's a Jehovah Witnesses meeting hall less than two miles from me
> which, in the early '80s, was a roller rink that hosted some seriously
> awesome punk-rock shows. Sorry that I missed out!
Punk Rock was finished by 1977. You must have been hearing about some
Jehovah's Witnesses forming a Punk tribute band in that roller rink.
Sadly this is becoming ever more common. The Jehovah Pistols have
just played my roller rink.
Anyway, how do you know if the 'punk-rock' shows were 'seriously
awesome' if you weren't there? Honestly, Poisoned Rose, sometimes I
think you live in a world of your own.
Mr Jinx
Mr Jinx
Just Walkin'
Indeed. Punk rock's wake was led by Pat Boone, when he wore leather
and studded wrist bands.
Nowadays, I know Wall Street traders that have punk tune ring tones...
Mr Jinx
> Mr Jinx <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm the kind of guy who actually likes to talk to Jehovah's Witnesses. I
> > > > like their sincerity and their craziness and it's a good way to try out
> > > > my arguing skills so I can partake in religious newsgroups like this one.
>
> > > Troll, troll, troll.
>
> > > There's a Jehovah Witnesses meeting hall less than two miles from me
> > > which, in the early '80s, was a roller rink that hosted some seriously
> > > awesome punk-rock shows. Sorry that I missed out!
>
> > Punk Rock was finished by 1977. You must have been hearing about some
> > Jehovah's Witnesses forming a Punk tribute band in that roller rink.
> > Sadly this is becoming ever more common. The Jehovah Pistols have
> > just played my roller rink.
>
> > Anyway, how do you know if the 'punk-rock' shows were 'seriously
> > awesome' if you weren't there?
>
> control of your soul?
>
> Your poor man. Just sounds like you weren't able to keep up with punk's
> evolution. It moved on without you -- you just wanted it to do the same
> thing over and over again. Oh, the misguided arrogance you exhibit! How
> you impose your own feeble limitations on the music! People who say punk
> was inferior beyond the '70s have just stopped listening. Those bumbling
> fools. If others are able to draw pleasure from later punk, isn't it
> your own failing that you can't? For shame, Jinx. For shame. Hang your
> head. I could spend a lifetime listening to concerts from these bands
> across many years, marveling at how they redefine the songs from night
> to night. Really, the road is where these songs learn to live and
> breathe. The original recordings are just tentative blueprints. History
> will record the live shows as their true creative statement. Why must
> you live in the past, Jinx? Why? Clearly, you just don't understand punk.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Lol.
You have learned your Jinxian doctrine well. :-) Touché.
But as far as Punk goes I will stick to my guns. Punk was dead by
1977. The minute it got commodified it lost its essence. The bands
you call 'Punk' are actually something else. They may have borrowed
some of the mannerisms of Punk but I imagine they are in their own
scenes.
Having just seen Malcolm McLaren buried I am aware of what we have
lost. And even people like John Lydon are onto other things now. The
only Punk left is Mark E. Smith (and he wouldn't call himself a Punk
or even associate himself with that scene - which makes him even more
'Punk', of course).
Don't get me wrong, I love the Pixies and Black Flag and all that but
those guys were on another trip.
Mr Jinx
really real
>
> My god. Every sentence you wrote is trolling crap. Has Really Real taken
> control of your soul?
The movement grows, poisoned rose. More and more people are taking my
side, rather than yours, in that very controversial newsgroups topic of
your personality defects.
Look what this fine chap had to say about you the other day:
"You get called on about 10% of the nasty shit you stir up. If you were
taken to task about all the fights you try to start, all the attacks
you make, all your bullying, all the snottiness and acid you excrete,
the newsgroup would have no time for anything else. Which, judging from
what I found during my recent excursion into the google groups archive,
seems to be just what you would thrive on.
really real
>> Look what this fine chap had to say about you the other day:
>>
>> "You get called on about 10% of the nasty shit you stir up. If you were
>> taken to task about all the fights you try to start, all the attacks
>> you make, all your bullying, all the snottiness and acid you excrete,
>> the newsgroup would have no time for anything else. Which, judging from
>> what I found during my recent excursion into the google groups archive,
>> seems to be just what you would thrive on.
>
> single most pathetic trait, Trolly. I read posts like this and wonder if
> there is ANYONE outside of Usenet who pays attention to you.
>
> And I just looked up that quote...it was actually said about three
> months ago, rather than "the other day." Try being intellectually
> honest, now and then.
>
> Also, a word of advice: Climbing into bed with people who oppose me is a
> risky proposition at best. If you don't realize how screwy and
> irrational most of them are, you just haven't been reading closely
> enough. If I remember correctly who said the above, the guy is no one
> you should want as an ally.
This is a hilarious response!!
Don't you realize that everything thinks the same thing bout you? What
motivates me into saving people's quotes about you, and then posting
them when you attack me without provocation, is that you have such a
blind spot about yourself. At least we can get some amusement from all
the misery you cause in these newsgroups.
THB
Yeah, I'm just sitting here laughing my ass off.
THB
Mr Jinx
> punk died in 1977 is ridiculously extreme.
Ok, maybe it limped on into 1978.
I think it is important not to imagine that Punk is a sound. It is an
attitude. And, yeah, I suppose I am being too extreme to say that no
Punk bands survive. I actually think Billy Childish has remained true
to the ethos. Oddly Mr Dylan is closer to the Punk spirit these days
than many a young buck.
Mr Jinx
really real
>
> I don't save posts like a petty 14-year-old girl, but this exchange
> reminds me of a rec.music.beatles dialogue which took place within the
> last couple of months. RMB was breaking out in hysteria again, and I
> grumbled something about how people should check RMD and see how,
> generally, the discussions are more level-headed and rational over here.
> And then someone else -- someone who's not even "on my side" -- frowned
> something like "Oh, I don't know about that....do Rachel and Really Real
> still post over there?" I told him that Rachel had toned down her mania,
> but had to break the news that, yes, Really Real still posts there. Oh
> well.
Was this the thread?
Mr Jinx
> Mr Jinx <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 17, 10:44 pm, poisoned rose <nur...@ward-duty.com> wrote:
> > > Mr Jinx <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Don't get me wrong, I love the Pixies and Black Flag and all that but
> > > > those guys were on another trip.
>
> > > I would never call the Pixies a punk band (did *anyone*?), but claiming
> > > punk died in 1977 is ridiculously extreme.
>
> > Ok, maybe it limped on into 1978.
>
> > I think it is important not to imagine that Punk is a sound. It is an
> > attitude.
>
> "1978" theory. Now you're not even confining yourself to music.
>
> You also seem notably UK-centric.
>
> The late Jay Reatard is one of the better recent examples I've heard of
> a modern-day "punk in attitude." But he's not English, so maybe you
> haven't heard of him. :p
I must admit I haven't heard of him. But I will check him out.
Actually I really believe the Americans invented Punk. I'd go with
the Stooges and the Velvets really on that one (and the NY Dolls). I
think our English Peter Hammill had quite a hand in shaping the sound
of the 70s Punk sounds and so did the Who.
Mr Jinx
THB
> > 99d99d4b/16b6b60c3a21b928
>
> No, it was the one where the main guy who's pecking at me in the above
> thread was saying that you were the barnacle of RMD rather than me.
Well, isn't that just like you not to know a compliment when you get
one.
You should be flattered to be called a "barnacle," if indeed you were
called a "barnacle."
It puts you in the same classification as Bob.
THB
THB
Oh shit. I was on the phone, and did that half-assed.
Obviously, what I meant to say was "isn't that just like you to not
know a compliment" OSLT!!!
IOW, what I can't figure out how to say precisely, is that you should
have wanted to have been the barnacle, just like Bob is an "old
barnacle," with his NET, (which I have to keep reminding everyone
ended in '91), stalking his muse.
THB
Just Walkin'
The minute it became an addressable market it was over.
John Holmstrom led the charge. While he was busy chronicling the
battle between The Dictators and The Ramones, the Brits were up to
something and old friend Malcolm introduced his culturphage to the
public. It was either a wild success or a miserable failure depending
on your point of view.