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Ryan Carey

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Jan 22, 2002, 9:56:56 AM1/22/02
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ok, i wanna know the deal and some of your thoughts and views on this album.
i've read some things around the net and i'm wondering if he really did it
for a joke or what?

discuss

ryan


Stephen Pickett

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Jan 22, 2002, 11:34:31 AM1/22/02
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There are no less then a thousand different opinions on this album. Many
people here really like it, and many people think it's aweful. It is ture
that Dylan said he released as a joke to make people stop bothering him, but
who know how true this really is.

As for my opinion, it's a decent album worth listening to once in a long
while....certainly in his bottom 10 albums, but better than the late 80's
garbage (Not counting the comeback album Oh Mercy).

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Sean Tanner

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Jan 22, 2002, 5:30:17 PM1/22/02
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Agree.

I like it as an album. Listen to itonce and a while. Is not a gratalbum
though but I really think it was something he had to do.

I don't see it as being a "joke" album.

As for the live cuts, I seee the Isle of Wight show as being a very
underated one and remain hopeful of a full release under the "Bootleg
Series" banner with a gospel show "Toronto 1980" being the most obvious
choice.


Sean in Australia

Sean in Australia

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Steve Oldham

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Jan 22, 2002, 6:50:08 PM1/22/02
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I don't know if it's great or bad or a joke.......I love it.


Steve

HoopsNHops

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Jan 23, 2002, 10:17:12 PM1/23/02
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Thumbs up.

Epic1934

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Jan 24, 2002, 6:36:37 AM1/24/02
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You guys have all got to be kidding. LIfe is too short, and there are
thousands of great albums out there (many by Dylan) , to spend more than a
moment with Self Portrait.

Groucho

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Jan 24, 2002, 7:11:10 AM1/24/02
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I love it, but...

why is the title on the edge of my cd upside down, compared to the traditional
way (i.e. when it sits in my cd rack, the words are the right way up, but the
back of the CD is the top side ? Is it like this on the vinyl, cassette?

Groucho

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Ray Baldwin

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Jan 24, 2002, 7:56:51 PM1/24/02
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>>>>Groucho wrote:

> I love it, but...
>
> why is the title on the edge of my cd upside down, compared to the traditional
> way (i.e. when it sits in my cd rack, the words are the right way up, but the
> back of the CD is the top side ? Is it like this on the vinyl, cassette?
>
> Groucho<<<<

Hey Groucho! You been buying those cheap Taiwanese pirate CDs again? ;-) Either
that or you're in possession of a rarity way beyond the extroardinary aesthetic
value of the album itself. Both my CD and vinyl LP are right side up. Drats!

Ray.

PS: You didn't reverse the insert after a night on the bottle? ;-)


Epic1934

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Jan 24, 2002, 8:57:17 PM1/24/02
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You "love" self portrait. God, with that superlative out of the way, how would
you describe your feelings for any of Bob's good or great albums?

Ray Baldwin

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Jan 25, 2002, 11:20:57 AM1/25/02
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>>>>Epic1934 wrote:

> You "love" self portrait. God, with that superlative out of the way, how would
> you describe your feelings for any of Bob's good or great albums?<<<<

Dear Epic 1934 (may I call you that?)

If you see my use of "love" as simply a superlative then I think you've missed the
point of my post. I see love as something all enveloping, intensely personal and
passionately addictive. I can use the same term to describe almost all of Dylan I
have heard or seen without feeling I have to get up on a box with my Rogets to
make people think I "love" one piece of his art more than another. Self Portrait
was, to me, soothing, bright, funny, mostly articulate, different, musically
interesting and most of all it had a much-needed healing quality which I found
only on one other album at the time, Nashville Skyline.

It was finger-pointing, derisory, point-scoring remarks such as yours which made
me miss worlds of Dylan I could never hope to retrieve and I'd hate to see it
happen to others who just might like to get an overview of his body of work as a
whole. Bob's religious period is a case in point and I'm only now realising, even
if it may not be the same "love" I apply to SP, there's now a feeling of "love"
for that period which I never took the opportunity to fully explore before.

If I use your "good" or "great" descriptions of Dylan's work, I'm unecessarily
compartmentalising bits and pieces of his work to an area it doesn't deserve to
be. I "love" the artist. I "love" the completeness of his artistic life, but that
doesn't necessarily mean I go around with placards proclaiming it's the ONLY thing
I "love".

And while I appreciate your addressing me as your "God" I'm quite happy to be a
normal, reconstructing Bob fan with a lot of years to make up as I delve into
seemingly bottomless chasms of intrique, fascination, and confusion as I try to
follow the words and music of an artist I have come to "love". If you find that
hard to understand, try deconstructing the word you appear to dismiss as a simple
superlative and start again.

Ray.

PS: I "love" Time Out Of Mind for almost the same personal reasons I "love" Self
Portrait. And I just love "Love And Theft" for itself. R.

Tricia J

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Jan 25, 2002, 1:26:44 AM1/25/02
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Ray, I "love" Self Portrait too. I reserve that expression only for
certain "objects" - books, paintings, music. I feel a great affection
for certain books and records just by seeing the cover or thinking
about it, which amounts to "love" in some cases. It's almost always
because they represent certain indelible personal associations, like
Proust's madeleine. As strange as it may seem to some people, "Self
Portrait" is in that category, for me. So is "New Morning". I remember
reading something Steve Earle said about his record collection, that
he can't take it on the road with him, but really just looking at the
covers of certain records is enough, and you can take them with you in
your mind. Maybe this only holds true for vinyl, I'm not sure if cd's
can inspire the same kind of "love"?

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Groucho

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Jan 25, 2002, 6:03:04 AM1/25/02
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Ray, you wise soul, :-)

Nuh, that's the way it is. I will check tomorrow in the music stores and see what
the SPs look like there

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Groucho

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Jan 25, 2002, 6:04:31 AM1/25/02
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Well, my fave is 'Subjective' where Bob's songs are loved or hated depening on who
listens to it...

;-)

G

Epic1934 wrote:

> You "love" self portrait. God, with that superlative out of the way, how would
> you describe your feelings for any of Bob's good or great albums?

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