Play Fucking Loud
Martin
Am I alone in thinking this doesn't quite sync properly - I mean his
mouthing the words 'play fucking loud'?
Jumbo
There was a discussion on here a couple of years (?) ago, with some
people saying Robbie Robertson says 'play fucking loud' not Bob.
gannet
Whoever says it, he speaks in a very pronounced Manchester accent,
something which has been obvious to a lot of us for the last 30 years
since the bootleg LP came out. Nor does it seem to be coming through a
"stage" vocal mike, having none of the eq sound that Dylan's or
Danko's mike has. It sounds like a comment from a member of the
audience - were there people sitting behind the musicians in
Manchester, as there were at other shows? If so, one of them gets my
vote, always has.
Martin
> It sounds like a comment from a member of the
> audience - were there people sitting behind the musicians in
> Manchester, as there were at other shows?
Doesn't look like it, but I think it's far too loud to be an audience
member. But if it isn't Dylan, I wonder what he's saying on the
film? I still think it's Bob, off mike, saying 'you're a fucking
liar', and I think that's where you get the Manchester accent if you
think he's saying 'loud'. The fact that footage existed seemed
amazing when it was reported, and as soon as I saw NDH, I wasn't
completely convinved. I even wondered if it might be an elaborate
hoax, and that it's a new piece of film of lookalikes
marke...@yahoo.com
first there was the kennedy assasination,then the 911 conspiracyand
now we have the 1966 manchester mystery voice. that IS bob's voice
clearly enounciating the word 'loud'. he sounds nasal and vaguely mid-
western and besides, he says 'loud' and not 'loudly' and we all know
that young bob made many grammatical errors.
Jumbo
I don't hear a 'Manchester accent'l. The ''uh' in 'fUckin' isn't
noticeably northern English. And why would an audience member shout
that when the band had been playing loud for about 40 minutes? An
offended Dylan, or Band-member, otoh...
I agree it *sounds* like Bob. So marketan may be right. But it doesn't
synch up, as Martin says, so... ???
gannet
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> - Show quoted text -
The "Play fucking loud" accent not only sounds TOTALLY Manchester to
me, but I should also say that I dispute what is being said! (Gasp!!!)
I have always heard the voice say "Stop your fucking row", (Northern
English for "Keep the noise down!") and indeed I remember playing the
old bootleg for my non-Dylan friends at school in 1973, and they all
roared with laughter when they heard that shout. We were at school in
Yorkshire by the way, not far from the scene of the crime, (though
historically there's a huge distance...). My theory remains that the
voice is of a random Mancunian audience member picked up by an
"audience" mike, set up to catch the applause in the hall. And I think
the remark is aimed at the noisy audience, not at the musicians. As I
write, by the way, my girlfiend's father is sitting in the room with
me, and he was at the Free Trade Hall on the night in question. What's
more, he says he doesn't recall there being that much heckling from
where he was sitting, about six rows from the front in the balcony. He
doesn't recall any "Judas" shout, just his older sister who was with
him throwing an empty ice-cream tub at some guy who was standing up in
front of them, shouting stuff out at the audience downstairs to keep
quiet. Also, that the sound in the hall was nothing like as clear as
it is on the recording, an obvious point maybe, but one that is
sometimes overlooked. Other than that, he recalls it as an average
1960's pop concert experience, not with screams and mayhem as with the
Stones around that time, but loud and boisterous. Anyway, it must've
made an impression on him, as he named his oldest daughter Johanna
after the song that he heard for the first time that night.
frinjdwelr
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Exactly right. You guys who can't hear it need to study midwestern.
As to the synching, the sound and video were recorded separately. That's
not the only spot in the film to be slightly off.
sween5
After 40 years, let's not ruin the mythology.
J Buck
It's 'Play IT fuckin' loud'.
Martin Grossman
Jumbo
>
> The "Play fucking loud" accent not only sounds TOTALLY Manchester to
> me, but I should also say that I dispute what is being said! (Gasp!!!)
> I have always heard the voice say "Stop your fucking row",
Well it sounds nothing like that on the clip. It's clearly (whatever
the accent) 'play [it] fuckin' loud'. Going by other bootlegs I've
heard, if there was a rowdy audience member yelling stuff, we'd know
his voice from all the way through the concert, not (coincidentally)
at such a charged moment.
> (Northern
> English for "Keep the noise down!")
Thanks for that. Northern English is my only language, sometimes not
even that.
>and indeed I remember playing the
> old bootleg for my non-Dylan friends at school in 1973, and they all
> roared with laughter when they heard that shout. We were at school in
> Yorkshire by the way, not far from the scene of the crime,
I'm typing this in Yorkshire as we speak.
> though
> historically there's a huge distance...). My theory remains that the
> voice is of a random Mancunian audience member picked up by an
> "audience" mike, set up to catch the applause in the hall.
I still think it's Bob. But it may be one of the Band. One thing, the
speed of the film appears to be messed with, slowed down, at certain
moments, as though Scorcese is trying to match the sound and image.
Also: he added the boos to the Maggie's Farm clip, so why wouldn't he
mess with this?
beppe
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUFHEyu5hM
>
> Am I alone in thinking this doesn't quite sync properly - I mean his
> mouthing the words 'play fucking loud'?
I've never believed the whole story, go figure!
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Perfesser_dudley
I guess we hear what we want to hear.
dudley
Sounds like bob to me, tho'.
Jumbo
> "Martin" <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggionews:1194257813....@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUFHEyu5hM
>
> > Am I alone in thinking this doesn't quite sync properly - I mean his
> > mouthing the words 'play fucking loud'?
>
> I've never believed the whole story, go figure!
Like I've said before, the senses can prove nothing.
Mr. Gemini Jackson
Me too.
-GJ
luke t/drifter
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mix better. it took some getting used to, like the stooges 'raw power' but
eventually it became the greatest sound you ever heard. STrangely it was the
opposite of 'Raw Power' in that Bobs vocals were buried but i felt it
worked, and it lost some power after the Bootleg Series release.
unfortunately my older boot got stolen so i cant compare, & i never owned
'guitars kissing & the contemporary fix' tho i allways have loved that
title.
Martin
wrote:
> i never owned
> 'guitars kissing & the contemporary fix' tho i allways have loved that
> title
It's great - much cleaner sound than the BS release, with no echo and
less sound of the crowd. Less atmospheric though as a result. The
title is from Tarantula
wicked_messenger
concert, I could tell he wasn't speaking into the mic, he was speaking
in a loud voice. Just because the video doesn't sync means nothing,
of course it doesn't sync, the film wasn't recording audio, the audio
comes from soundboard recordings.
Matthew Kirkcaldie
wicked_messenger <northc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, its definately Dylan, Before I ever saw the video, listening to
> concert, I could tell he wasn't speaking into the mic, he was speaking
> in a loud voice. Just because the video doesn't sync means nothing,
> of course it doesn't sync, the film wasn't recording audio, the audio
> comes from soundboard recordings.
Er, both are documenting the same events in real time. Or do you think
that the sound board had some special delay?
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wicked_messenger
The audio, and the film come from seperate sources.
The film comes from Mickey Jones 8 mm movie camera that he had given a
roadie or some other person to film with, there was no sound recording
going on from that position, so it would be very hard to synch film
and sound up with out seeing conclusively a slap of a high hat or
drum.
The audio comes from a reel to reel tape recorder.
During a filming of a movie, a person walks out in front of the camera
with the black and white chalkboard specifying the scene and which
take, then yells "action" and he slaps the top of the board, this is
to match up the sound and the film action with a visual cue matched
to a audio cue since they are from two separate sources.
Then, yes, Dylan is turned around, facing the band, saying "play
fucking loud," you wouldn't tell the audience to "play fucking loud,"
you would tell your band mates. It isn't at all unreasonable that
Dylans' mouth and sound don't match up, the mic may have even picked
up the echo off the back wall since he wasn't facing the mic, to me
you can clearly see him mouthing the words, especially the world loud,
then smiling briefly.
On Nov 9, 2:38 pm, Matthew Kirkcaldie
<Matthew.Kirkcal...@removethis.utas.andthis.edu.au> wrote:
> In article <1194618876.517255.162...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
wicked_messenger
liar," (the latter being less pronounced, but is still noticeable,)
the sound and visual mouthing of the words don't match up either.
Martin
> On further review of the film, the "I don't believe you" and, "your a
> liar," (the latter being less pronounced, but is still noticeable,)
> the sound and visual mouthing of the words don't match up either
I know, this is what prompted me to raise the question in the first
place. What do you think prevented Scorsese from getting it to synch
correctly? It can't be that difficult to slow or speed up the film
slightly to match the audio
wicked_messenger
I think it is one of those things if you try and fix one area of it,
another area becomes out of whack, you would have to either speed or
slow the visual, which may look a bit odd.
lowg...@ao1.com
The plan was to create a sync signal they could use later, but something
went wrong. This was confirmed. It's hard to believe there are NO tools to
repair problems like this.
More importantly, are there NO tools to adjust the speed of a video?
Newport 63-64 should have been tweaked.
Martin
> More importantly, are there NO tools to adjust the speed of a video?
I would've thought so, and the discrepancy is so small that - if he
really was saying what he's supposed to be saying - surely it should
be easy to match it up? I think the correct speed of the sound is
taken from the pitch of the harmonica, isn't it?
Jumbo
> It can't be that difficult to slow or speed up the film
> > slightly to match the audio
>
> I think it is one of those things if you try and fix one area of it,
> another area becomes out of whack, you would have to either speed or
> slow the visual, which may look a bit odd.
As I said earlier, the clip does seem to slow down at certain moments.
I think the answer may be that the play fucking loud comment, being
spoken away from the mikes, travelled at a radically different speed
to other recorded sound and so it was not possible to synch that
particular phrase without slowing down or speeding up the film too
much to not be distracting.
Matthew Kirkcaldie
Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
> travelled at a radically different speed
> to other recorded sound
Surely you realise how ridiculous this sounds - compared to the
possibility that Dylan was visible, saying something else, around the
same time one of the Hawks said "play fucking loud" near a mike.
Just as a guide, the delay of sound travelling ten feet and bouncing off
the rear wall would be something like 0.01 seconds (330 metres per
second, three metre distance) which is less than a quarter of one
frame's duration.
Perfesser_dudley
Of course, you've asked two questions here:
On Nov 5, 5:16 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUFHEyu5hM
>
> Am I alone
This is a Great Existential Query that's been pondered by Great
Thinkers at least in the 20th Century. I can't answer it right now,
i'm still thinking about it.
> in thinking this doesn't quite sync properly - I mean his
> mouthing the words 'play fucking loud'?
Mebbe it does, maybe it doesn't. So fuckin' what? It sure shows that
the voice is not from north of england way. Maybe bob was lypSinching
to a preRecorded track, like on American Bandstand &/or Hullabaloo or
any contemporary programme.
That said, & no affront to you, this thread has devolved
onanistically.
I don't know if there's a tool to adjust video (George?). I do know
that there are tools, available shareWarely, to adjust duration of
audio without compromising pitch, so certainly Marty Scorcese cd've.
The misSynching that you mention is soooooo marginal as to warrant
dismissal altogether (in the grand scheme of conspiracy theories). Bob
said it then & there.
& it's not even the best performance. Here bob carrys coals to
newCastle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs
That said, what exactly is that guitar he's a-playin'? Seems like a
preColumbian Fender (Peter?).
O-bla-di,
dudley
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'why?' This question has stumped philosophers for centuries. It's too
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Yes."
--Professor Irwin Corey, the world's foremost authority
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Jumbo
>
> "'Why is the sky Blue' is a two part question. The first part is
> 'why?' This question has stumped philosophers for centuries. It's too
> complex to get into right now. The second part, 'is the sky blue?'
> Yes."
> --Professor Irwin Corey, the world's foremost authority
In the interests of further onanistic development ...
What about: 'Why isn't the sky purple with yellow spots?" Here the
second part becomes 'Isn't the sky purple with yellow spots?" Answer:
sometimes. My point being that the sky is NOT *always* blue, so Corey
is wrong.
Jumbo
<Matthew.Kirkcal...@removethis.utas.andthis.edu.au> wrote:
> In article <1194692532.334492.76...@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
> > travelled at a radically different speed
> > to other recorded sound
>
No. Otherwise I might have hesitated to say it. :)
Yes, you're right, if I meant the speed of sound, I was being
ridiculous. But I phrased it badly and only made it sound like I meant
the speed of sound. What I had in mind was more like someone recording
a song with two different tape recorders and then trying to synch up
both the signals later with a film of the recording. Not that that is
probably any less ridiculous, but I certainly don't want to imply that
sound moves that slowly.
Martin
> What I had in mind was more like someone recording
> a song with two different tape recorders and then trying to synch up
> both the signals later with a film of the recording
I'm making some toast. What tea would you like, I've got earl grey,
assam, lemon & ginger, blackberry or pink grapefruit
Perfesser_dudley
(why do i thnik of PT Barnum when i read that name?)
Working up: Corey is the world's foremost authority, and at age 93
deserves our respect. Corey isn't wrong, the question might be. (Full
disclosure: i once saw him work a train platform at Baltimore's Union
Station like it was the heyday of vaudeville, in complete regalia:
string tie, tux & sneakers; had i only been blessed to see Richard
Lord Buckley's pith-helmeted shtick in a similar manner.)
Of course the sky is NOT *always* blue; Corey is simply addressing the
commonplace & responding to the bourgeois complacency, that is, as boo
& lucky might tell us:
}
The sky ain't blue
It's kinda yellow
You know it's true
(It's so hard to figure what it's all about)
{
So let's at least give props to the feller who accepted Pynchon's
Award.
Again, here's his son (& his son):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CV6-1NZroQ
}
When i am singing
a feeling of ecstacy
and that feeling is doubled
when my son sings with me
...
We sang harmony
together we sang of a love
{
Yrs in quiet desperation,
dudley
___
"The people like to be humbugged."
phineasTaylorBarnum
Matthew Kirkcaldie
Martin <martin...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yep, I think you're right, let's all take a breath and calm down about a
tiny snippet of speech recorded 41 years ago - in or out of sync!
I always thought it was Dylan until I saw NDH.
Mind you, the song he plays afterwards is really pretty good as well.
Jumbo
Just normal, thanks.
Jumbo
I wondered when you'd crack, by the way.
Do you work for MI5 by any chance?
Martin
> I wondered when you'd crack, by the way
Hey, I'm back on it now - just finished my peach & passionfruit. Er,
what was the question again? No, I don't have any crack
beppe
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> Mind you, the song he plays afterwards is really pretty good as well.
Lyrics wise, namely.