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John Howells

Nov 15, 2001, 4:00:04 AM11/15/01
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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), part 1 of 2
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Copyright 1994, 1995 Adam K. Powers
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Part 1 - What is available on Internet? (this article):

0. What has been changed since the previous posting of the FAQ?
1. Who is Bob Dylan?
2. What is
3. Are you certain your e-mail address works?
4. Is there a etiquette?
5. How do I access
6. Glossary of terms and acronyms common to this newsgroup.
7. Is there a Bob Dylan discography available online, or some
way to order Dylan CDs via Internet?
8. Where can I find lyrics, tablature and other Bob Dylan
information via Internet?
9. Is there some way that I can get lists of Bob Dylan
concert tapes and unreleased recordings from past
10. When and where will Bob Dylan be performing next?
11. What is EDLIS?
12. What if I want to talk about Dylan on-line at all hours?

Part 2 - Where else can I get information, off-line? (next article):

1. Where can I buy Bob Dylan collectors' items?
2. What books about Dylan's life and music are available?
a. Bob Dylan biographies
b. Studies of Dylan as a performer, lyricist, etc.
c. Reference books
3. Are there magazines about Dylan to which I could
4. I just read an article about Bob Dylan in my newspaper...
5. What are bootlegs, and how do I find them?
6. Has Bob Dylan appeared in any movies or film
7. Has anybody ever sent away for the limited edition notes
offered in the "Under the Red Sky" album?
8. Who really wrote "Blowin' In the Wind"? Was it Bob Dylan
or Lorre Wyatt?
9. Why does Dylan laugh at the beginning of "Bob Dylan's 115th
10. What is the Gregory Peck movie Dylan's talking about in
"Brownsville Girl"?


0. What has been changed since the previous update of the FAQ
(17 January 2000)?

Part 1:

o Updated obsolete references to Dejanews - now Google Groups

o Updated information about Bob Dylan's official US discography

o Updated information about lyric sites

Part 2:

o Updated book section in part 2. Added several new books and
updated others.

o Added question and answer about Al Santos, Dylan's stage manager
who gives the standard introduction.


1. Who is Bob Dylan?
Bob Dylan is a singer, a guitar player, a song writer and a recording
artist. Born Robert Allen Zimmerman in Duluth Minnesota in 1941, his
earliest circulating recordings date from 1958 and his first commercial
release was in 1962. Forty-odd albums and many hundreds of concerts
later, Dylan continues to write, record and perform.

For more information see:

2. What is
Welcome! This Usenet newsgroup is devoted to the discussion of Bob
Dylan, his music, and things Dylan-related. We welcome your
constructive comments on nearly any issue, even if it's only
tangentially associated with Bob Dylan.

There is no official Dylan fan club, so small packs of Dylan fans
band together to stay informed and carry on general discussion. This
particular Usenet newsgroup was founded July 31, 1989 by Tom Buckley.

Sometimes it seems that all we're interested in are upcoming tour
dates and clarification of fact regarding old recordings, but there
is often very interesting discussion of Dylan's lyrics themselves, a
reason that no doubt many of you read this newsgroup. If you don't
see the sort of discussion you want, you're encouraged to bring it up

Many people criticise the content and tenor of postings on but few praise those they like. If you see a posting
which is just what you like to see why not e-mail the poster
privately and say so. Many good posters cease contributing because they
are not getting any feedback. The way to ensure is to
your liking is to encourage postings you like and to contribute

3. Are you certain your e-mail address works?
Most new contributors who complain no one has answered their queries
turn out to have displayed an incorrect e-mail address in their
postings. This is so common it is very unlikely a correspondent
answering your query will do anything once they see that mail to you
bounces back as 'user unknown'. One of the best ways to test your
address is to send mail to the "robot" at You
should be sent two replies. If this does not work then try posting to a
test newsgroup (eg. alt.test) or contact the postmaster at your site for

4. Is there a etiquette?
You should already be familiar with Usenet etiquette. If not, the
newsgroups to read are news.newusers.questions and
news.announce.newusers. A particularly useful document is "Emily
Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette" by Mark Moraes
<>, stored at in a document
called "part1" in the directory

As with all newsgroups, the very best recommendation is for you to sit
back and read for a while before you make your first posting. That
way you can get a proper feel for the newsgroup. Then you will see
which postings you think are valuable and which are wasting space or
preventing good discussion. is not moderated, so within reason anything goes.
However, certain types of postings are generally frowned upon. Here
follows some guidance:

o Tirades against other readers of the newsgroup for their
opinions are not welcome.

o Failure to edit subject heading when replying via the main digest. Please ensure you edit the subject line
when posting a Followup-To: Anyone seeing a posting headed:

SUBJECT: Re: HWY61-L Digest - 5 Mar 1999

is likely to choose to ignore it altogether.

o Posting contact information for bootleg dealers. From time to time
someone posts a request for contact details of bootleg dealers. Answers
to these questions should be sent by private e-mail only. To post full
details to the very public forum of is to put the
dealers at risk. This may once have seemed an hysterical over-reaction
to the real situation, but these days dealers don't just lose their
stock and face prosecution, in several countries dealers have gone
to prison. Is it not best to avoid Bob Dylan's work being the most
likely target when those greedy copyright lawyers finally hit the
Internet in force? We all know Bob Dylan always says yes when his
lawyers ask him if they should proceed, be it a computer company, a
transit authority, or a ...

o Posting your full tape/CD trade listings. Setting up tape trades is
best conducted via e-mail wherever possible.

o Unsolicited trade requests are generally frowned upon, and the
recipients of such requests should not feel guilty about saying no
or ignoring them. A typical situation is when a poster indicates
that he or she has access to or is looking for a certain tape. It
is considered bad form to send email or post to the group a trade
request or "me too" request. Unless you know the person, you will
not likely get a response. Likewise, the recipient of such a request
should not feel obligated to trade with everyone who asks for a

o Questions to the group should be clearly indicated as questions in
the subject line to avoid confusing those who are looking for new
information. For instance, a subject header of "New Album" is likely to
mislead those reading your post into expecting to find some news about
a new album. Instead, it is better to ask the question "Is There a New

o To make sure you're not asking a question that has already been recently
answered, or raising yet again a subject that has been extensively
discussed, there are two ways of finding out what's gone on before on You may find the answer to your question without having
to wait, and at the same time think of new questions to ask or points to
raise that haven't already been discussed by the newsgroup.

(1) Google Groups (formerly Deja News) has archives of all posts made
to Usenet newsgroups. Go to

Enter "" as the newsgroup name in the Newsgroup: box
and your topic, e.g. "thin man" in the subject field.

The search results will be displayed. You simply browse through
the posts. If you want to limit your search still further, e.g. to see how
many posts to about Thin Man have been made by Ed Ricardo,
you can also enter his name in the Author: box!

(2) EDLIS (see section 10 of Part 1 of this FAQ) keeps details of
frequently-raised subjects or threads on, such as "Who is
the 13th/15th Century poet mentioned in "Tangled Up In Blue"?". Go to

and look through the archived threads. For example,

is another way of finding all those Thin Man discussions!

o Pictures, sounds and other binaries should never be posted to To share your binary most easily, use a web page
and post the reference URL address to If web
space is not available, ask on for help finding
some or ask

If this fails, or you prefer to post to a newsgroup, post your
binary to an appropriate alt.binaries.* group and send the
article IDs and subject lines to as a helpful
pointer. is a text-only newsgroup, where a
half-megabyte binary can cause serious problems.

Not everyone is in a school setting or has free local telephone
calls. In many parts of the world the telephone connection
is paid for by usage and in some the computer account is paid
for by volume! Don't make yourself look thoughtless by posting
huge binaries.

o Key questions to ask of yourself before sending your new posting:

1. Has this been discussed before?
(Read the FAQ, follow up any leads, and visit
2. Can I delete more of the quoted text of the message to which
I am replying, while still achieving the same result?
(The less quoted the better, because almost everyone has seen
the original article, and it's still freely available to those
who haven't)
3. If I waited 24 hours, would I still want to post this?
(Especially relevant for posts initiated in anger)
4. Is this potentially of interest to many people, or would it be better
sent via private e-mail to one person?
5. Is this related to Bob Dylan?
6. Does my subject line reflect the content of my posting?

5. How do I access
There are two main ways in which to access

a. Usenet news

1. Contact your Internet provider for instructions on how to access
Usenet locally, and the newsgroup "".

2. "DejaNews" (now Google) provides a reading and posting service.
Refer to the Google posting FAQ for complete information:

3. Read via the World Wide Web. Newsguy (formerly
Zippo) provides access to at:

To use this service properly please note that when posting via
Newsguy you need to include in the "From" box your full e-mail

This service used to be free, but it seems that Newsguy now
wants to charge a fee.

4. If Usenet is not available at your Internet site, try joining a
'freenet' and using their facilities.

b. Digests

Obviously is a Usenet newsgroup and is best
read with newsgroup reading software like Agent, tin, trn,
or the like. Then you have full use of threaded subjects
and most importantly KILL files so you can tailor what you
see and what you read exactly to your tastes. Seeing the
whole of without any KILL file would put
any normal human being off computers for life!

If you have no Usenet news reading software you might
have a Web browser and then you can read Usenet news.
Netscape, Explorer, Opera, lynx or the like are possible
ones to try. Look for some header like News or the like
in the pull down menus...

gives information on free public Usenet news servers at
which to point your software... You need a newsfeed if
using your own software.

Also you might wish to look at:

If you wanted a commercial service you can pay to join

You don't need anything more than e-mail to post to, just e-mail your posting to one of the
following: with header Newsgroups:

(For an updated list send e-mail to

But if you have no News reading software and no access to the
World Wide Web or to telnet, then your best bet may be
an e-mail digest!

For many years there have been other specialised digests but they
have tended to be amateur and not public. EDLIS has decided
to make its own main digest better known, it has always been open
to all but not all knew about it! :-)

It is a feed for those who cannot take the time to sift
through the total madness of more widely available.

It is called b0b. To subcribe send

subscribe b0b-List yo...@email.address

in the body of your e-mail to

b0b = b zero b NOT b oh b. Anyone who wishes to can subscribe to b0b

No one can post to it.

Subscribers receive about 2% of postings.
No spam. No insanity unless Bob related. No religious wackiness
unless Bob related. No insults. No negative posts on any subject,
including Bob. Sister principle.

If this does not suit you just say. We will help you set up
a feed that suits your own tastes.

So if no one can post how do you post? You post well to Simple as that.

Many fine postings will not be included. Setlists for example.
XREFs. And so on. These can easily be seen on,
and elsewhere. For example setlists are on

b0b is lean. Reading it will give you one person's view
of the top two percent of You can Followup-To:
any post by posting to And you may find it
causes you to turn to the complete to follow
the occasional thread in its complete form, or to read all
the postings there. When you have the time.

Followup-To:s should carefully cut and paste the subject header,
adding a Re: where appropriate.

The purpose is to attract high quality posting, often well
thought out and sometimes researched in detail. And to
attract readers who would never read as they
won't take the time, to read it, or to learn to tailor it
to manageable size with a vicious KILL file. If you like Bob
Dylan but only want to read about him for few minutes a
week, then b0b may suit you.

If you want to read about Bob Dylan 24 hours a day, then you'll
prefer the original, the Usenet NewsGroup.

6. Glossary of terms and acronyms common to this newsgroup.
All areas of knowledge develop jargon and acronyms which inevitably
serve to keep outsiders out and to confuse newcomers. Medical doctors
complicate the simplest things with needlessly difficult terms and
abbreviations, computer experts often make the easy inaccessible to
newcomers with obscure terms and abbreviations by trying to
'simplify' communications, management consultants... Well, you get
the picture. People with a serious and debilitating Dylan habit can
also develop these tendencies. Watch for the following obscure

#Dylan = The name of the Dylan channel on irc.

BoB = Blonde on Blonde [1966] [not a typo for "Bob"!]

b0b = the 2% cream digest of

BotT = Blood on the Tracks [1974]

BIABH = Bringing It All Back Home [1965]

boot = bootleg

bootleg = circulating copy of officially unreleased material in any
form. The term is probably derived from 'bootleg' liquor, which was
sometimes smuggled in bottles strapped to one's leg during
Prohibition in the United States, 1918-1933.

Bootleg Series = The Bootleg Series 1961-1991, Rare and Unreleased,
Volumes 1-3 [1991] - not to be confused with 'bootleg' above, this is
an official release that reveals many songs and performances from
throughout Dylan's career that were previously available only on
bootleg media. The liner notes of this boxed set mention that
further volumes would be released, but no reliable source has been
able to determine if and when this might actually happen...

BTW = By the way...

EDLIS = Exchange of Dylan Lyrics - Internet Service

GAIBTY = Good As I Been To You [1992]

H61R = Highway 61 Revisited [1965]

IMO = In my opinion...

IMHO = In my humble opinion...

ISO = In Search Of

irc = Internet Relay Chat, an international live real-time
conferencing system with a channel called #Dylan.

JWH = John Wesley Harding [1967] Some people say this album (and
its title track) were mis-named after outlaw John Wesley Hardin.
Dylan's song has very little to do with the story of the real Hardin;
instead, it's basically just a spin-off of Woody Guthrie's "Pretty Boy
Floyd." Some Dylan fans note the religious bent of this album and claim
that the initials 'JWH' really refer to the Judeo-Christian deity...

Krogsgaard = Krogsgaard's 1991 reference book, Positively Bob Dylan
[listed in question 2c of part 2]. A Krogsgaard number would be in a
form such as [7/201]. This refers to item seven in the Krogsgaard
listing for event 201. Badly addicted readers can be
told such a number and then immediately sing the relevant item
without reference to the Krogsgaard book itself!

newbie = Sometimes derogatory term for a newcomer to the Internet.
Usually spotted by the newcomer's tendency to post entire trade lists
to the net or to respond to a thread with a single "me too". :-)
Newbies are also susceptible to trolls (see below for an explanation
of a "troll").

Olof = Olof Bjorner. Often you might come across references to "Olof's
Chronicles" or encounter the phrase "according to Olof...". This is in
reference to Olof Bjorner, who has kindly made available for free an
excellent series of posts to covering each and every
year in the career of Bob Dylan. Olof's Chronicles provide a quick point
of reference on just about every aspect of the life and times of Dylan.
Olof's Chronicles can be found at

pirate : an illegal copy of officially released material.

counterfeit : an illegal copy of officially released material made
to be mistaken for an original release.

RAH = Royal Albert Hall. This refers to the famous, but misnamed
Royal Albert Hall 1966 bootleg that is now generally believed to be
from Manchester 5/17/66.

RMD = The Usenet newsgroup Also abbreviated as r.m.d.
or just plain rmd.

smiley = An unusual punctuation device, presumably employed only by
computer-users, which looks like a sideways smiley-face: :-) A
smiley usually means that a comment or article has been written in
jest, and should be read accordingly. A common variant is ;-) with
the 'winking' eye. There are many, many variants on the smiley, and
most are used to represent the flairs of spoken language that are
often hard to perceive in text. :-(

tape tree = A 'pyramid' method of distributing tapes organized by
someone with a good or unusual tape that begs to be circulated. That
person posts an announcement to the newsgroup, asking people to send
e-mail to him to sign up. He collects the names of those interested,
and creates a 'tree' such that no one has to make an excessive number
of copies, and people with better tape decks make copies for those
without, etc. The original tape is the 'seed'. Those who receive
copies from the seed and make further copies are 'branches', and
those who receive copies from branches but don't copy for anyone else
are the 'leaves'. Sometimes a person who makes copies is called a
'parent' and one who receives copies is a 'child'. Each person who
receives tapes is expected to send tapes of other events in return to
their branch. If blanks are sent in lieu of recorded tapes, the
person sending blanks is expected to send double the number of blank
tapes to recorded tapes. A less common method is that the person sendng
blanks is expected to pay postage for both the tapes that sent and
the ones received. If trading with a DAT collector who is supplying
you with an analogue cassette, one blank DAT is adequate double
compensation should they not want any blank analogue cassettes from
you. For more information on tape trees, see the URL Also see for a guide to CDR trading.

TOOM = Time Out Of Mind [1997]

troll = A provocative posting made with the intention of generating
a reaction, ranging from flames and hate mail to trolls which are
intended to spark discussion or controversy. It is best to ignore
the foolish ones, and be alert to the clever trolls if you are

UTRS = Under The Red Sky [1990]

WGW = World Gone Wrong [1993]

WWW = World-Wide-Web

If you're looking for an acronym and can't find it in the above list,
try the acronym server at

7. Is there a Bob Dylan discography available online, or some way to
order Dylan CDs via Internet?
It is beyond the scope of this document to give a true discography
for Bob Dylan, but here is a list of the standard U.S. release full-
length Bob Dylan albums:

Title Released CD Order #
===== ======== ==========
Bob Dylan March 1962 CK 8579
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan May 1963 CK 8786
The Times They Are A-Changin' January 1964 CK 8905
Another Side of Bob Dylan August 1964 CK 8993
Bringing it All Back Home March 1965 CK 9128
Highway 61 Revisited August 1965 CK 9189
Blonde on Blonde May 1966 CK 841
Greatest Hits March 1967# CK 9463
John Wesley Harding December 1967 CK 9604
Nashville Skyline April 1969 CK 9825
Self-Portrait June 1970 C2K 30050
New Morning October 1970 CK 30290
Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 November 1971# C2K 31120
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid July 1973 CK 32460
Dylan November 1973^ CK 32747
Planet Waves January 1974 CK 37637
Before the Flood June 1974' C2K 37661
Blood on the Tracks January 1975 CK 33235
The Basement Tapes June 1975* C2K 33682
Desire January 1976 CK 33893
Hard Rain September 1976 CK 34349
Street Legal June 1978 CK 35453
At Budokan July 1978'~ C2K 36067
Slow Train Coming August 1979 CK 36120
Saved June 1980 CK 36553
Shot of Love August 1981 CK 37496
Infidels November 1983 CK 38819
Real Live December 1984' CK 39944
Empire Burlesque June 1985 CK 40110
Biograph October 1985# C3K 38830
Knocked Out Loaded August 1986 CK 40439
Down in the Groove May 1988 CK 40957
Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 October 1988 Warner Bros. 9 25796-1
Dylan and the Dead February 1989' CK 45056
Oh Mercy September 1989 CK 45281
Under the Red Sky September 1990 CK 46794
Traveling Wilburys Vol. 3 October 1990 Warner Bros. 9 26324-1
Bootleg Series Vols. 1-3 March 1991@ C3T 47382
Good As I Been to You October 1992 CK 53200
World Gone Wrong October 1993 CK 57590
Greatest Hits III November 1994#
Unplugged April 1995' 478374 2 (European)
Time Out of Mind September 1997 CK 68556
Live 1966 October 1998 C2K 65759
The Essential Bob Dylan October 2000#

This is NOT intended to be a complete discography by any means. Check
the discography file at for more details on Bob Dylan
releases available on compact disc, or refer to the discography on the
official Bob Dylan website
[see question 5 for help].

' Live album
# 'Greatest Hits' collection - *most* songs previously released
^ Recorded in 1970, outtakes from Self-Portrait
* Recorded in 1967!
~ This is the Japanese release date - U.S. release was December 1978
@ Collection of previously unreleased material spanning 1961-1991...

Also of interest are the 30th Anniversary Tribute Concert double-CD
set; "Masterpieces", a triple-CD import collection that contains a few
songs not available elsewhere on CD; and "Live 1961-2000 - Thirty-nine
years of great concert performances" - a Japan-only limited edition
release to coincide with Dylan's 2001 tour.

To buy CDs over the Internet, the two most popular sites are and For shops on the Internet selling import
CDs, you might try

There have been several 'best album' polls done on the music
newsgroups - the most comprehensive were the 'Usenet Artist Polls'
and are available by anonymous FTP from in /pub/music/uap
(many polls done on individual artists, not just Dylan).

The Dylan albums most frequently recommended by readers of r.m.d are
_Highway 61 Revisited_, _Blonde on Blonde_, _Blood on the Tracks_,
and _The Bootleg Series, Vols. 1-3_, although you'll find staunch
fans of nearly every album...

The Dylan you might like depends more on you than on the opinions of
others. You could describe in reasonable detail your musical,
political, religious and sexual tastes, post that on,
and ask for advice...

Additional material may be found at the various WWW and FTP archives.

8. Where can I find lyrics, tablature and other Bob Dylan information
via Internet?
The official Bob Dylan lyrics on the web are at the official site: There is a nice search function which
allows you to find a song even if you remember only one (not too
common) word or phrase.

There are three archive sites from which information regarding Bob
Dylan may be obtained by FTP [If the term "ftp" is meaningless to you
then ask a local computer guru to show you what to do...]: (Portland State University) (University of Wisconsin, Parkside) (University of Nevada)

The above are not guaranteed to be current, however there is a very
nice web site that contains lots of guitar tabs:

and you might want to check out:

and the My Back Pages site:

Olof's yearly summaries of Bob Dylan concerts and recordings, plus a
number of transcribed interviews, concert/tape reviews, and similar
documents are available by anonymous FTP from, in the
directory /pub/dylan, and are maintained by Trent Fisher. This site
originated as a replacement to Anthony Kapolka's archives from the
early days of, but now includes all of Olof's
archives and other recent files. Of course you can always visit Olof's
own site at

Lyrics to a limited number of Bob Dylan songs, plus some guitar tabs
and other information by be found by anonymous FTP from,
in pub/music/artists/d/dylan.bob.

Guitar tablature to many of Dylan's songs can be found on the World
Wide Web at

An anonymous FTP session begins like this - at your prompt, type:

ftp [or whatever site you'll be getting files from]

Enter 'anonymous' (without the quotes) when prompted for a login
name, give your E-mail address as the password. Use either 'ls' or
'dir' and 'cd' to find your way to the proper directory.

There are also a number of Dylan-related World Wide Web (WWW) pages.
If you do not know what WWW is then you are best advised to ask a
friend or computer technician at your site. You will need appropriate
software (known as Web Browsers). Some examples: Netscape, Mosaic and
Lynx (a text only version).


The Web has grown so fast that it's getting harder and harder to
keep up with all the new web sites. Rather than attempt to catalog
all known Dylan sites, here is a site that has links to all the others: ("Boblinks", Bill Pagel)

Of special interest is the newly created official website from Sony:

Plus, if you want to locate more Dylan links than exist on the above
site, you can try the following search engines:

If you cannot find transcribed music online, you should be able to
find music to all the released albums from good music stores and
suppliers. The most recommended book source is "Lyrics 1962-1985".
The lyrics 'database' on "Highway 61 Interactive" CDROM, released
1995, covers virtually all of the lyrics from this book, plus all
albums up to 1995. Many songbooks can also be purchased, for example
the book for Good As I Been to You is available from Special Rider
Music Sales, 8/9 Frith St., London W1V 5TZ, England.

9. Is there some way that I can get lists of Bob Dylan concert tapes
and recordings from past years?
There are various options:

If you've got a little disk space to spare [approx. 1.5 megabytes],
you can download Olof's year-by-year Bob Dylan archive - which lists
Dylan's public appearances and recordings, gives handy reference
tables of songs played on tour, and even lists recommended tapes by
tour! The best part is that it's free for your own personal use.
Don't try printing it out unless you've got the time & ribbons - the
combined total of all the files would be on the order of 600 pages...
How do you get it?

(this book is frequently referred to simply as 'Krogsgaard' on this
newsgroup). This tome numbers Dylan's circulating performances and
lists the songs performed at each and every known circulating Bob
Dylan recording through early 1991. There are always gaps and changes
as new tapes surface, but this book is essential to the serious
collector! It provides a fast, easy reference for identifying tapes
and so on. The main disadvantage of such a serious book is that it
costs about US$55. Ordering information: Popular Culture Ink, P.O.
Box 1839, Ann Arbor, MI 48106. (800) 678-8828 / (313) 761-4300.
$55.00 U.S.

"Tangled Up In Tapes : a Recording History of Bob Dylan".
Paperback - 368 pages 4th edition (April 15, 1999)
Glen Dundas; ISBN: 096985692X
See <> for how to order
direct from the author. Cost is approximately $45.00.

Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions [1960-1994]". New York: St.
Martin's Press, 1995. ISBN: 0-312-13439-8. Cost is approximately

This is a Windows-based computer program by Chris Cooper. Regular
updates are planned to strive for accuracy and completeness. Write
to: Chis Cooper, 8 Northgate, Whittlesey, Peterborough, PE7 1RA,

10. When and where will Bob Dylan be performing next?
Since official announcements from Dylan's publicity office regarding
tour dates are rare, we have to rely on local people to look for
advertisements or call ticket agencies and then to inform the rest of
us. If you hear of an upcoming concert in your area, please tell us!
Set-lists from shows that you have seen recently are also appreciated,
even if you don't know the titles of all the songs that were played.

Tour dates are usually posted piece-meal to the newsgroup, and
sometimes these postings will contain conflicting or confusing
information. If your local ticket agency has no knowledge of a
concert date that you saw announced here, don't give up hope.
Agencies such as TicketMaster frequently do not know about particular
shows until a few days before they are authorized to sell tickets for
that show. Some concert dates start out as rumors and never
materialize, but many rumors do become fact. Be patient.

For the most up to date information on current tour dates, visit on a
regular basis:

You can also check the official website:

Mail order tickets for American concerts can now be purchased
at this site:

If you know of a concert which is not listed there then please post the
information to

There are also Dylan hotlines you can ring on the telephone for the
latest information on Bob Dylan events:

USA: 970-243-8025. The Rolling Tomes Hotline - the operator will ask
you to enter the "hotline access number" located in the lower right
corner of the back cover of the current Rolling Tomes catalogue. So
you must either have seen the catalogue or have contact with someone
who has... . A touch-tone telephone is required. The recording is
updated at least weekly, more often when news warrants it.

John Baldwin maintains a UK-based free telephone information service:
If calling within the UK, dial 01707-394678
From overseas: [country code] +44-1707-394678

The EDLIS Tours & Tickets agent <> compiles all
the above info and posts updated tour schedules to

11. What is EDLIS?
The Exchange Dylan Lyrics - Internet Service is an Internet wide
conspiracy to make available Dylan lyrics for the purposes of
research and/or private study. Lyrics available are restricted to a
reasonable proportion. Any copying to evade purchase is wrong.
EDLIS consists of a number of loosely affiliated individuals who have
chosen to horde and distribute Bob Dylan information. This service
includes, but is not limited to, information regarding: Bob Dylan
song lyrics, versions of Bob Dylan songs performed by other artists,
bootleg recordings, and tape trees.

If you post a request for specific lyrics (or for detailed boot CD
information) on you might find an EDLIS agent answers
your needs magically in your e-mail box. In return, EDLIS is always
in need of transcribed lyrics and information on compact discs, old
and new. If you are able to type in or scan Dylan lyrics not
presently available on the Internet, please do so - the only reason
that EDLIS sends you anything is because others have contributed in
the past! If you like what EDLIS is doing and wish to help, simply

Visit the EDLIS home page on the world wide web at

Of special interest is the "Thing Twice" EDLIS page, where you might
find answers to common questions that have been asked and answered
many times over. The URL is

12. What if I want to talk about Dylan on-line at all hours?
If no one in the same room as you wants to chat about Dylan 24 hours
a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year you might think you have an
insatiable desire. But there is relief! IRC! Internet Relay Chat. On
irc there is always an international live real-time Dylan conference -
usually in English - waiting for you to join it.

Before joining irc, I recommend checking out several sources for
info: and These pages contain
several links to different irc resources, including an explanation
of the various networks that make up irc. I strongly recommend
looking at these sites first if you've never been on irc before.
It can save you a lot of headaches later. With that said, you will
need a special program to access irc called a client. For UNIX, I
recommend ircii, available at
For Mac users, the client of choice seems to be Ircle, available
at Windows users should grab a copy
of mIRC, available at many different sites around the world including Once you have a client installed,
log onto a server and type "/join #bobdylan" or "/join #dylan" to
join the Bob Dylan chat room. Lets say you join though and find to
your dismay that there's no one there? Never fear, just keep looking.
Maybe try a different irc network perhaps. I recommend checking
out #dylan on efnet.

What you type after that will be seen by all the others on that
channel. If all is quiet simply wait until the lull ends or learn how
to invite others in (/invite), change the topic (/topic) and so on.

Many arrange to meet at the channel by prior arrangement through
e-mail, setting a time to rendezvous. Bear in mind the time zones
- discussion tends to ebb and flow with New Zealanders and Australians
starting the day, as they begin to flag Europeans join, and Americans
are last to come in, though some #dylan people keep very odd hours
indeed. It is important to keep the various irc networks in mind
here as well. Telling someone you will meet them on #dylan at 0400
GMT isnt enough. If your friend joins newnet while you log into
Dalnet, you wont be able to talk to each other.

Unlike email or usenet, irc is real time information more akin to
a conversation. Resources can be shared, files can be transferred,
and addresses can be swapped. In other words, irc is a tape traders
dream come true. If you are looking for that copy of Milwaukee 97
or Des Moines 90, you may just strike gold on irc. It is not uncommon
for people to trade unreleased dylan material on irc in mp3 format.
(mp3 is a sound compression format that is a much smaller file
than a .wav file yet retaining all of the quality) Even if you
don't find that tape you're looking for, you might find a future

Treat irc like a Paris street cafe. If you want to be certain
that stimulating, interesting people are there when you are there,
bring them with you.

If Bob Dylan is performing in a country you can try to see who is on
from that country, such as Japan:

/who *.jp

And then use /invite to invite in unsuspecting irc-ers and ask them
about media coverage, whether they are going to the concerts or know
anyone who is, will they be taking a DAT recorder with them, etc etc

As with all esoteric computer matters, if the command irc is not
available on your computer, simply ask a local computer guru how to
ftp and compile what you need.

So long as you have full Internet access something should be
possible, and you can join in on the Dylan discussion via irc...

The standard #dylan teatime in London meeting in irc is daily at:

Fairbanks 13:00 Reykjavik
07:00 16:00 Petropavlovsk
Trondheim 04:00
St John's 17:00
13:30 Helsinki
Charlottetown LONDON 18:00
Hibbing 12:00 16:00 Moscow Irkutsk
10:00 19:00 00:00
Greenwich Paris
San Francisco Village 17:00
08:00 11:00 Lisbon Bombay Kyoto
16:00 21:30 01:00
Gallup Monrovia Singapore Honolulu
09:00 16:00 00:00 06:00
Lagos Perth
Quito Rio de 17:00 00:00
11:00 Janeiro Harare Adelaide
13:00 18:00 01:30
Santiago Hobart Dunedin
12:00 02:00 04:00

There are also many DylanChat sites available:$/chat/dylan

(end part 1 of 2)

John Howells

Cipro Does

Nov 15, 2001, 11:28:48 AM11/15/01
"Anne Thrax" take a bow.

Cipro Does, ( TAFKASD)

- Champion Of Exposing Losers Who Think They Can Be Rude and Order Other
People To "Leave This Newsgroup" i.e. Anne Thrax.

"John Howells" wrote in message -

> is not moderated, so within reason anything goes.
However, certain types of postings are generally frowned upon. Here
follows some guidance:

o Tirades against other readers of the newsgroup for their
opinions are not welcome.

Anne Thrax <> wrote in message

You've been voted off the news group. You are
the weakest link, goodbye! Don't go away mad, just go away.

"Anne Thrax!" <> wrote in message
>TAFKASD ("The Asshole Formerly Known As Scooby Don't, Doesn't,

"Anne Thrax" <> wrote in message
> spend too much time sniffing a cartoon dog's butt.

"Anne Thrax" <> wrote in message
>you standout waste of protoplasm, you lying sack of fecal
>material...You're a pathetic, dishonest, malicious dirtbag

Anne Thrax <> wrote in message

>And I bet Mad Dan won't get around to his freebees until after he
>learns to breathe without using his mouth.

etc, etc....


Nov 15, 2001, 7:08:24 PM11/15/01
I should have the sense to stay out of this, but I won't, because this
guy makes me sick. This is an extraordinarily dishonest post, coming
from someone who's spent most of his time in this newsgroup since he
resurfaced about six weeks ago launching personal attacks at just
about anybody who disagrees with him. He's also conspicuous about
editing people's posts to cut out the essential material, than
lambasting them for things they really didn't say. Sometimes he just
cuts out the original posts, and makes up the charges he "replies" to.
And he regularly changes his posting address, so that he can change
his story as he goes along and it's hard to nail him down.

On September 29, he returned and posted a bizarre tirade
targeting several people in the newsgroup (myself included) who he
sees as promoting live music sharing. And things have gone downhill
He's posted several wholly unprovoked personal attacks on A1Pump,
because A1Pump turned up a long-lost Rolling Thunder show and tried to
make sure that anyone who wanted a copy could get one for free (or for
no more than B&P). (The horror. The horror.)
He's compared A1Pump to the Taliban, and accused him (and
everybody else who shares music) of being engaged in a crusade to
destroy bootlegging, out of what he labels their perverse desire to
"control" access to live music. This breathtaking display of
intellectual dishonesty (and dishonesty in fact) makes clear who his
real employer is -- not the commercial business he's mentioned, but
the Ministry of Truth.

He's attacked Artur J, apparently he believes Artur has been
active in opening up trading circles and music sharing in areas where,
until recently, commercial boots (and piracies) were the only way to
get access to "unofficial recordings."

He regularly posts tirades against me, because my Field
Recordings Guide has made clear how much Dylan material is circulating
freely, and how only a small portion of it actually comes through the
bootleg market. He's been particularly upset with me of late, because
I pointed out a gross error in someone else's post regarding an
upcoming boot. [He's also annoyed because I called him a "shill" for a
boot seller -- and I don't think there's anything particularly
inaccurate about using that term about someone who actively and
uncritically circulates grossly misleading publicity material from the
issuer of a commercial boot -- especially since he apparently knew it
was false, since he's claimed to be a collector of long standing.
He also deliberately lied about me, claiming that he knew I was
"Anne Thrax" based on a post he knew was forged -- and never retracted
it or apologized. (He did make a weaselly, "if I said anything unfair
about you" or some such, apology after the boot that triggered his
first wave of diatribes turned up, and my comments (and those of
several others) proved to be accurate.)
At one point last summer he accused me of posting threats against
him, based on an ongoing (and fairly lame) comedy bit I was running
involving a guy in a bear suit. The punchline was always more or less
"And now, a word from the guy in a bear suit : "Grrrr." For more
details see

And he's obsessed with getting even with St. Annie, because . . .
well, from what I can see, because she gets down to his level and
pretty much kicks his sorry butt on a regular basis. Or maybe the
opposite side of his anatomy.

Whenever he finds postings he doesn't like, it seems he tosses
venom around indiscriminately and obsessively. And then he whines
about all the wrongs people have done to him when they point out his
lies. He regularly posts deranged ramblings about how the cruel cdr
collectors are trying to defame and suppress the collecting of
commercial boots.

And he annoys the living crap out of me, especially since, no
matter how much I try to ignore him, he keeps trying to draw me back
into his mudfest. I'd really like to be able to check my mailbox two
days running without finding garbage he's sent or inspired. Often in
large quantities, to the extent that my regular mail is blocked for
half a day at a time.

(If I owe anybody out there a reply (or more), I apologize. I'm
sure some things just aren't getting in, and some are buried by now.)

I don't what anybody on the newsgroup has done to deserve the
attention of this wretched, malicious creep. I assume he's the same
guy who's been regularly flooding my mailbox with fetishistic porno
crap bmp files -- they regularly show up a few hours after one of his
ravings hits the newsgroup. You can't killfile him because his name
and address change so much, and I can't block his email without
blocking out most of the other mail I'd get from rmders. (Which is
what I guess he wants me to do).

Comments or suggestions are appreciated.


"Cipro Does" <> wrote in message news:<9t0qha$4ea$>...

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