Minneapolis Bridge Collapse Blocks from Bob's Old Haunts
Just Walkin'
into the Mississippi River this Wednesday night, August 1, 2007,
occurred mere blocks from Bob's old student residences in Dinkytown.
Though the bridge didn't open until 1967, the apartments are well
within eye-shot of the devastation. Thankfully for this correspondent,
his better 3/4 came across this bridge from work just moments before
it collapsed. So far, it's reported that over 30 cars have plunged
into the river rapids with 3 fatalities confirmed. Emergency crews are
working feverishly to find survivors in the river and under the debris
with nightfall upon us and an expected storm approaching. Citizens are
urged to stay away from the scene to permit free flow of emergency
vehicles and personnel and to refrain from using their cellphones to
keep switches clear for emergency usage. The apartments look across
the bridge from its exit ramp.
Pilgrim
Good to hear your family made it over before the collapse. Still, it
must have been a harrowing experience for them to have been that
close.
daysof48
These freak accidents are so startling. The people that died were
probably worrying about normal everyday things when the bridge
collapsed. In their wildest dreams they didn't imagine this death for
themselves. I hope they loved and were loved while they lived. Thank
goodness you have your family to hug today. I know you'll handle them
with care.
frinjdwelr
"Pilgrim" <mcis...@umich.edu> wrote in message
news:1186069875.4...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Good to hear your family made it over before the collapse. Still, it
> must have been a harrowing experience for them to have been that
> close.
>
construction.
All of us who've crossed that bridge multiple times are thinking about fate
today.
I always was a bit spooked by those Mississippi bridges, especially the one
down in Dubuque. Of course if we weren't throwing away $10 billion a month
in Iraq we might have money to fix our bridges.
Pilgrim
> "Pilgrim" <mcisr...@umich.edu> wrote in message
Yep, and I have a very bad feeling that the American infrastructure is
going to start having more and more of these kind of problems, too.
Think about it - the Katrina disaster could have been greatly lessened
had money been available to repare the damn and people took action to
do so. There were at least two reports about structural fatigue on
that bridge that were ignored. The stupid in our country hurts. Mabe
if this keeps happening, we'll wake up, but I'm not holding my
breath.
Martin
Of course if we weren't throwing away $10 billion a month
> in Iraq we might have money to fix our bridges
Good point, well made
Rachel
Great post.
Just Walkin'
> Of course if we weren't throwing away $10 billion a month
> in Iraq we might have money to fix our bridges.
And the rest of our aging public infrastructure as well!
My better half, whom I referred to as my better 3/4 in the original
post, and I thank everyone for their concern.
Now let's see if we can't turn this war machine into a bridge fixin'
machine...and get it to stop neglecting our basic public duties.
Rachel
i sent him a private e-mail. i didn't even get this post, read it,
just saw the general content, and it was too horrible to read. it was
only after Pilgrim's post that I got it, that he was almost in it, and
sent him his note.
i didn't want to do it publicly, i didn't know what to say, it was too
heavy.
Jesse
>
> These freak accidents are so startling.
It is not a freak accident. It is the result of decades of
politicians preaching no taxes. Here is an excellent editorial making
that point from Minneapolis:
daysof48
Thanks for this.
Pilgrim
Yes, thank you for bringing up the "no taxes" issue. I don't
understand how people fail to realize that we're a society, not a
disconnected collection of individuals who can get on perfectly fine
without communally taking care of our infrastructure and each other.
Just Walkin'
In Minneapolis, we have a beautiful new central library that cannot
open on Mondays because we have no operating budget for it despite the
fact that a majority of the townspeople voted in a referendum to keep
property taxes up for this purpose. Seems the state government passed
a property tax reduction that overrode the municipalities desires.
Why?
In Hennepin country, where Minneapolis is located, only 31% of the
citizens voted in a referendum to build a new baseball stadium, yet we
are getting one anyhow. Why?
In these here United States of America, we have a crumbling
infrastructure with bridges collapsing, levees bursting and trains
jumping their tracks while every penny we've accrued in our national
treasury since we balanced the budget in the nineties has been used to
finance a sold war and shipped direct non-stop into the bank accounts
of the benefiting contractors and their shareholders. Why?
The answers to these questions, my friends, are not blowin' in the
wind nor will you find them on Fox New OR CNN. They are already in
your heads and you will hear them clearly if you just turn the damn TV
OFF and think about them on your own!
And that's all I have to say about the matter.
Mr Jinx
Thank goodness your partner was ok. God bless those who have
perished.
Mr Jinx
TheMaskedMarauder
Dear Just (& frinjdwelr, old rmd buddy),
Thnaks for bringing this up, and for including the Mandatory Dylan
Reference of Dinkytown; i'm fearful that someday a completely
bobUnrelated post here will be against the law... if not a capital
offence, at least a lower case (see attorney general alberto "i really
can't recall" gonzales).
Speaking as an fundamentalist christian goldwater conservative, i have
to share your concerns. As a iggerant hick from the sticks, i have
trouble parsing such stuff, but looking at our government's website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/budget.html
It seems we're spending for defence (DoD) 503billion$US of
discretionary moneys (addons seem to bring the total to 699 billion;
other numbers can be put elsewhere, such as development of nucular
arms); for transportation (DoT) 65.6billion$US (which is not only
highways, but also includes aviation, maritime & railways, etc.); for
education (we don't need no) 64.4billion$US (my missus is a teacher in
a hardscrabble school, & feels some chilluns is inTENshunally bein'
lef' behins).
I've also seen data that suggests that despite neoCon artist's pledges
to cut taxes, tax revenues are increasing, but i don't have that info
handy & anyway it can likely be explained away. As can the 25% of
spending the military can't account for (according to some probable
leftwing kooks).
Nor can i speak to local, county & state taxations since i don't
really understand my own.
I'd like to hear from "Scandinavian" rmders. I hear that they're taxed
as high as 105% of their income, but healthcare, education,
transportation & housing are all heavily subsidised. I'd like to know
how that's working.
(i actually met Eyolf Østrem & a buddy of his face to face, & we
discussed this; my sense was that it was working acceptably not
perfectly, & my jaundiced mind suspects that those governments are
less rife with corruption & waste.)
(i also got Eyolf's autograph, only one of three i've every got.)
& "socialised" medicine or transportation labels be damned.
I do recall, redneck that i am, posting Merle (Okie from Muskogee)
Haggard's "America First" a while back as mp3. That's gone. As is the
youtube version of the video, due to usage violation.
Fortunately the video still lives on CMT (Country Music Television?),
proving that Merle is more powerful than any dixie chicks *last i
checked, this didn't work on Macs because it's DRM protected*:
http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/haggard_merle/videos.jhtml
If'n yer (anyOne hear) a commie pinko liberal who figgers this'll be
too jingoistic a patriot act for ya, here's the lyrix approximately:
}
Why don't we liberate these United States,
We're the ones that need it the worst.
Let the rest of the world help us for a change,
And let's rebuild America first.
Our highways an' bridges are fallin' apart:
Who's blessed an' who has been cursed?
There's things to be done all over the world,
But let's rebuild America first.
Who's on the Hill and who's watchin' the valley?
An' who's in charge of it all?
God bless the army an' God bless our liberty,
And dadgum the rest of it all.
Yeah, men in position are backin' away:
Freedom is stuck in reverse.
Let's get out of Iraq an' get back on the track,
And let's rebuild America first.
Why don't we liberate these United States,
We're the ones who need it the most.
You think I'm blowin smoke? Boys it ain't no joke.
I make twenty trips a year coast to coast.
{
Nota bene: "Our bridges an' highways" & "Let's get out of Iraq".
Waaall, i've got more ta say but already feel like a teenage girl
yappin' away on her Princess phone. I got things to say about
terrorists but my language wd be too salty for these 1/4s.
Lemme just say, god bless america, among others; this land was your
land, this land was my land. & my condolences to those whose loved
ones landed in the mighty Mississip'
& take it,
The Masked Marauder
Jesse
>
> The answers to these questions, my friends, are not blowin' in the
> wind nor will you find them on Fox New OR CNN. They are already in
> your heads and you will hear them clearly if you just turn the damn TV
> OFF and think about them on your own!
>
> And that's all I have to say about the matter.
I think there is nothing more that needs to be said.
Gemini Jackson
wrote:
It is interesting that practically everyone I speak to thinks Bush
should be removed from office. Yet he's not. I mean DAMN.
Tim Herrick
Minneapolis Bridge Collapse Blocks from Bob's Old Haunts
"Pilgrim" <mcis...@umich.edu> wrote in message
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> Good to hear your family made it over before the collapse. Still, it
> must have been a harrowing experience for them to have been that
> close.
>
>I have a friend who escaped due to taking a different route to avoid the
>construction.
>All of us who've crossed that bridge multiple times are thinking about fate
>today.
>I always was a bit spooked by those Mississippi bridges, especially the
one
>down in Dubuque. Of course if we weren't throwing away $10 billion a month
>in Iraq we might have money to fix our bridges.
This is essentially true, however, the larger question is infrastucture. We
can’t fight a war in Iraq, and Afghanistan, AND give tax cuts to the rich!
Was anybody else concerned when after the collapse there was the order to go
out and inspect every bridge! Why not an order to release all bridge
inspection records? How often are these structures being inspected?
A few weeks ago, a steam pipe exploded in new york, one fatality. The
mayor calms the public, it is not an act of terrorism, it was just our decaying
infrastructure. REJOICE!
Read the newspaper reports, there was no record and little interest in
tracking the inspection of these pipes, not to mention upkeep, maintenance, etc.
There was a vague reference to a visual inspection by con edison a few days
before, but no explanation of what that inspection entailed. Obviously, it didn’
t entail enough. Why is con edison the only one responsible for inspecting
itself?
There is a lot of new construction going on where I live, and in lots of
places in the country. But i see no sewer pipes going in. Everytime it rains
there are these lagoons around the street corner, used to happen during heavy
rains, but now it happens ALL THE TIME. And, i’ve seen it happening in places
where I never saw it before, like mid-town Manhattan.
Yet, all the municipalities and states spout tax cuts and tax relief, no
increase in taxes, state and local budgets decrease deficits.
NO one is talking about infrastructure—the rolling black outs of the early
years of this decade in caly, the 2003 black out in seven states, what has
been done to avoid that? Anyone in Virginia or the carolinas ask about their
infrastructure after hurricane issabel, which left black outs for weeks.
Every city in this country is a KATRINA waiting happen. We’ve all be
infantalized by TV to talk about how dumb bush is or john edwards hair cut. In the
90s, there was talk about the widening definition of infrastucture, how it
means also education, healthcare and shelter as well as the physical necessities
that make sociey possible. Heck, who wants to talk about decaying roads
and bridges and mass transit system or levees, or what privatizing energy
systems have meant for sustainablity and disaster avoidance? Not me, pass the anna
nicole smith video.
Yeah, if we weren’t in iraq we could fix the bridge. How about asking the
local newspaper when was the last story on bridge inspections appeared, or
write your state senator about infrastructure maintenence?
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Red Headed Stranger
> Minneapolis Bridge Collapse Blocks from Bob's Old Haunts
>
> years of this decade in caly, the 2003 black out in seven states, what has
> been done to avoid that? Anyone in Virginia or the carolinas ask about their
> infrastructure after hurricane issabel, which left black outs for weeks.
> Every city in this country is a KATRINA waiting happen. We've all be
> infantalized by TV to talk about how dumb bush is or john edwards hair cut. In the
> 90s, there was talk about the widening definition of infrastucture, how it
> means also education, healthcare and shelter as well as the physical necessities
> that make sociey possible. Heck, who wants to talk about decaying roads
> and bridges and mass transit system or levees, or what privatizing energy
> systems have meant for sustainablity and disaster avoidance? Not me, pass the anna
> nicole smith video.
> Yeah, if we weren't in iraq we could fix the bridge. How about asking the
> local newspaper when was the last story on bridge inspections appeared, or
> write your state senator about infrastructure maintenence?
>
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what capital wants capital gets
what people want they have to fight for
with pussycat dolls on tv teaching our girls to be pole dancers who
has time to fight?
and with our nation on a forced war footing who has the balls to ask
the right questions?
Just Walkin'
Hello Grandpa Uncle Professor President Masked Unknown Poster man
there,
I must be an okie too 'cause I like that song. He was right then and
he is right now.
And to me Ronald Reagan was a classic 19th century liberal.
Conservatives are the ones who protest progress like those young ones
that used to lay down in front of trucks delivering supplies to the
nuclear plants. Seems we got our labels switched around or
something...
But thanks for your kind words of inspiration. Knowing that you and
other folks who pay attention are in this world gives me a little more
faith in the ballot box. I say: Let NASCAR Go Green! It'd be great if
we could start racing cars with electric or hydro-cell motors to push
the technology envelope like the old days so please tell your
friends.
In the meantime, I took some pictures of the site true fans might
appreciate. Post here and I'll send them.
Merely,
Just Walkin' (but sometimes just ridin' a bike)
PS I'll never ever give away your secret identity but I knew you
weren't really a Masked Marauder when you told me about cow pies
instead of Saturday Night at the Cow Palace. You weren't there, were
you?
Red Headed Stranger
> see. How predictable. But what really hurts is how things get
> politicized while getting the facts wrong at the same time. How does
> anything get solved using this approach? The Hurricane Katrina floods
> were the consequence of the poor design and construction of sea walls
> by the Army Corps of Engineers that began way back in '65. And what
> does the war in Iraq have to do with bridge and sea wall repairs that
> never took place long before the Iraq war started? This stuff used to
> happen in NYC in the mid-90's. It wasn't Iraq war related, either.
your cynicism betrays you
are you a misanthrope or a garden variety curmudgeon?
of course it's political
it always is whether you like it or not
Just Walkin'
> On Aug 2, 2:14 pm, Pilgrim <mcisr...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> see. How predictable. But what really hurts is how things get
> politicized while getting the facts wrong at the same time. How does
> anything get solved using this approach? The Hurricane Katrina floods
> were the consequence of the poor design and construction of sea walls
> by the Army Corps of Engineers that began way back in '65. And what
> does the war in Iraq have to do with bridge and sea wall repairs that
> never took place long before the Iraq war started? This stuff used to
> happen in NYC in the mid-90's. It wasn't Iraq war related, either.
Hey Treadleson,
Good seeing your moniker around here these days. Note the original
post was informational, making a recent tragedy relevant to Dylan
fans, if they weren't concerned already. Many of us are concerned or
even outraged that such a thing could happen here and everyone is
looking for answers, even as they pray for guidance.
But since you mentioned it, you probably already know that the root
word of politics is polis, a Greek word, that means city, which at the
time of the ancient Greeks, was the highest form of civilization; the
city-state.
Now back in those days, politics meant "the affairs of the city-
state." This included commerce, trade, ethics, foreign relations,
public works, justice, art, literature, drama, music, aesthetics,
philosophy and affairs of war and peace. In fact nearly everything
connected to the life of those who lived in that city-state were
discussed by citizens in the forum and on the byways was called
politics. And so politics remained defined for centuries, until the
industrial revolution.
During this period, politics became a discipline, in and of itself, to
serve the growing secular state as it dealt with the changes wrought
forth by industrial manufacturing and all the changes it brought with
it. It no longer was used to mean all of those things but rather
defined a particular field of social administration. For instance,
whereas once politics was inextricably connected to ethics, by the
start of 20th century, with new concepts of individualism, we now saw
a system of apolitical ethics and, some might say unethical politics
emerge. It had a become a business unto itself! No wonder there are no
longer what we used to call "statesmen!!"
Now, bringing it all home, if you are saying that someone here is
trying to subject this tragedy to discussion under the regime of a
highly polarized professional partisan party system, I would have to
say that I agree that this would be in poor taste and entirely
counterproductive. If there is political blame, it rests not with
those two parties everyone likes to rail against; it lies with the
voters that put them in office.
On the other hand, if you are saying that we are gathered here like
citizens in the forum, to discuss the interconnectedness of all things
that led to the disaster, then I would have to say that you are
absolutely right; it is a political issue in every sense of the word,
and that our discussion, here and now, should be lauded for having
transcended the narrow constraints of categorization so essential for
the media's misportrayal of all things political in favor of the broad
open light of day, seen by all, in search for a solution, meaning or
action.
And you, Red Haired Stranger, behave yourself; Treadleson is a regular
contributor!
Pilgrim
>
> It didn't take long for people to start politicizing this disaster I
> see. How predictable. But what really hurts is how things get
> politicized while getting the facts wrong at the same time. How does
> anything get solved using this approach? The Hurricane Katrina floods
> were the consequence of the poor design and construction of sea walls
> by the Army Corps of Engineers that began way back in '65.
...and Bush cutting the funding for the Army Corps of Engineers for
years now, before the hurricane happened...
Minor details, minor details...
Of course it's political, Mr. Treadleson. That's why you responded
the way you did.
frinjdwelr
more political.
The best piece I've read on the bridge collapse "politics" was linked on
Expecting Rain on Sat. and there's even Dylan content.
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2007/080307Floyd.shtml
Just Walkin'
> score political points against Republicans, conservatives, Bush--i.e,
> the usual root of all evil for the Daily Kos, Move On, NY Times modern
> liberal. Like you, I say that it's in poor taste to politicize the
> bridge collapse. I like your encapsulated history of politics. But
> I was less reacting to politicizing the bridge collapse to score
> points against the conservative, Weekly Standard crowed--it was more
> the inaccuracy of the charge. This is where the modern liberal gets
> himself into so much trouble. Led as he is by his own emotion rather
> than a thoughtful analysis of the situation and what is best for the
> polity, he rushes to accuse, pillory and morally condemn those who he
> finds to be responsible for the problem at hand. Whether he is
> accurate or not is unimportant because his "stance" is correct--in
> this case conservatives and Bush and particular are villains and so
> there MUST be an "interconnectedness" between them and the problem.
> How could there not be? Again, the moral "stance" is the important
> thing here, not the underlying problem or solving the problem. Thus,
> with the huge situation before us now, Iraq, you have a Democratic
> majority voted in by the polity in opposition to the war. Any normal
> person would naturally expect that they wanted to be voted in not
> simply because they opposed the war but because once in power they
> would do something to improve matters. Alas, that has not happened.
> Nor will it because the aim is to morally condemn, not to solve or
> change. Ditto for N.O. The modern liberal after Katrina feels good,
> feels strong, feels refreshed because he has been able to show what
> thugs these Bush people are. He has not improved anything in N.O.--
> it's just as bad as it was. And he needs it to stay bad so that he
> can return again and again to NOLA and point out the shame of
> conservatives who allowed this to happen. And yet, the NOLA levee
> problems long predate Katrina--by about 30 years--and are because of a
> major design flaw made the Army Corps of Engineers in the 1960's. The
> conservatives and Bush had nothing to do with it. But wait---this
> inconvenient truth goes against the meta-narrative of Bush's
> complicity in the floods and tragic aftermath. So the Daily Kos's and
> BBC's of this world quietly tuck it away where prying eyes won't find
> it and they replay sections of meta-narrative again. With the Mpls-St
> Paul bridge, the meta narrative is dusted off and trotted out once
> more (see above posts) and after much throat-clearing and chin
> stroking, the modern, overly educated liberal once again adopts his
> "stance." Like I said in my original reply-post...it's all so
> predictable. It all falls there so perfectly...so well timed.
You are right; it is so predictable. It really is unfair to blame Bush
personally for these things. He is only a spokesman and a figurehead
with no real policy making experience or aptitude. He can only be
blamed for cooperating with the financial interests backing him that
seek to reduce the role of the government in maintaining our
infrastructure in order to uphold the value of capital. Would it be
that they were as serious about protecting the public infrastructure
here in the US as they are about defending oil company's assets
overseas in the oil fields! If they could have their way, they'd
privatize all bridges in America and leave their maintenance up to
their owners.
As far as the so-called opposition goes; they really are not any
better. They only seek to put a more humane face on an already corrupt
line. I'd like to see somebody finally stand up to the horse-hockey
and say that people's lives count more than the value of property. But
I don't think that will ever really happen. See, for all of these guys
and gals, the problem with the bridge, the levee, the steam pipes, the
railway tracks, is that no one owns them...
Pilgrim
>
> Americans own them. But Americans don't vote. That's the problem--
> not some conservative, financial cabal
As Just Walkin' pointed out in an earlier post, the people can vote
for policies and the politicians can ignore them. We're not powerful
because we can vote. We powerless before big money, corporatism and
the military-industrial complex that was revitalized during the Reagan
years and is now running our country. I guess we're just so
frustrated that Bush and his cronies have become an easy way to take
out that anger.
Just Walkin'
>
> Americans own them. But Americans don't vote. That's the problem--
>
Public infrastructure is owned by American taxpayers. The same people
that fund campaigns and present candidates clamoring to reduce taxes
needed to maintain it are the same ones looking for handouts and tax
breaks to maintain their own private infrastructure. It's not a
financial cabal; it's just the way a system of self-interest works,
whether we like or not. The problem is that public infrastructure is
low on the list of priorities because we are not talking about
productive apparatus such as a refinery, well, mine or pumping
station, we are talking about necessary overhead that profit makers
just feel that they don't have to support.
It's like the seniors in Florida who don't want to pay property taxes
because they don't have any kids in school anymore and resent having
to fund them. You should hear how loud they squeal when they don't get
the right change on the meds at Eckerds!
It is the unraveling of the shared social fabric we call America as a
result of the market driven atomization of human relationships through
mass individuation that is the problem here.
Tif
It is also a sure way to lead oneself to fall into the quite awful
_but comfortable to the ego_ trap of victimization. Any individual
or culture whose ego rules the game from such a perspective is a
culture that plays with a losing hand. How you define yourself or the
culture is the reality you stay stuck with.
Attitude plays a huge role . Better for the mind to seek and look at
the vibrant possibilities emerging than to keep one's fingers mired in
the mud of victimhood where platitudes crawl. Brilliant minds and
good hearts do not need to get or stay stuck there. Just walkin' past
a sense of feeling victimized and letting one's innate enthusiasm for
life reemerge and prevail will move one's inner and outer world to
change dramatically.
Pilgrim
I'm not disagreeing with you here, because I agree that identifying as
a victim can lock a person into a downward spiral, but it will take
much more than enthusiasm for life and new possibilities to get us out
of the mire we're in. That's little more that a platitude itself - no
offense meant - kind of on the same level as "well if you'd vote, we
could fix these problems". Not that I have any answers, but neither
of those approaches are actually a solution.
Red Headed Stranger
you are right mister tif
and pilgrim will agree
hugo chavez is a good example of someone who refuses to let
victimization hold back constructive work and a positive attitude
they say when life gives you a lemon you make lemonade
when capital goes on strike build it anyhow
can you imagine a quarter million people marching on new orleans to
reclaim their homes and neighborhoods?
just like jump starting a car...
J Buck
pay property taxes because they don't have any kids in school anymore
and resent having to fund them.>
I have no problem with senior citizens (anywhere, not just in FL)
bitching about having to fund new schools 'cos the poor kids can't take
gym class in a gym built in 1970...especially when they have no kids or
grandkids in the system.
Just Walkin'
> far worse... with that school bus and all. And the country isn't
> overrun with bridge collapses...lest this get blown out of hand. And
> it's predictable that this would get politicized into an anti
> conservative anti Reagan anti Bush opportunity. Ah....modern
> liberalism.
anti Reagan anti Bush?
Big BIG difference. Check Reagan's interview with William F. Buckley
on #401 of Firing Line as broadcast by PBS on January 20, 1980 for a
glimpse into the world and mind of candidate Reagan. (Transcript
available from the Hoover Institution) Miles and miles apart.
I learned firsthand that the Reagans did not want Bush on the ticket
back during the 1980 Florida primaries. They both wanted Phil Crane.
Not only did they disagree on most issues, the Bush camp was doing
Nixon-style dirty tricks to the Reagan campaign during the primaries,
kind of like what they they did to McCain in SC. Reagan's interview
made these differences obvious and in my opinion, established his
opening line..
So the decision to put him on the ticket wasn't theirs. But that is
where the money came from and sooner or later they were able to reign
Ronnie in. Still, he was the compromise they had to make to get the
positioning they needed. In the end, he gracefully refined a quality
that corrected a mistake learned by the party during the know-it-all
Nixon era that the current occupant has since perfected: plausible
deniability.
BTW Page 7 of the transcript has an extremely important admission by
Candidate Reagan that distinguishes him from all other Republicans;
all the way back to the days before Teddy Roosevelt! It's the policy
difference that gave him the votes to put him over the top.
Tif
I did not take offense. It's just that I am not one looking for
"solutions" on a grand scale. I live to consciously experience as much
of life as I can and I trust the value of walking the unfolding
process, learning from it. This is a step by step journey, sometimes
while in the body, sometimes not.
... Little things like that, y' know.
Tif
then there is the connection between soul and spirit to attend
to, the opening of the closed human channels, closed by traumas ,
etc... etc.. etc.... , to attend to . So much to move through and all
the time in the world to do it. Can you consider a world where
relaxation would be a ground of being ? what a world !
I guess setting house up is what interests me. A foundational
statement. Enthusiasm is a good ground of being , a good ground for
levitation ; or am I talkin' about elevation here?
am i asking you , am i asking me and you, or am i asking the third
one ?
I also listen to the info transmitted by people like Caroline Myss,
Richard Alpert, E. Tolle, and more. Maybe I'll find Elie Wiesel soon.
I am learning so much and there are such amazing people in this
world. So great ... it's good, it's good !
I, enthusiastically me+,
presently on Planet Gaia,
returning, returning into equilibrium of being
kol tov,
m.p.
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> ... Little things like that, y' know { ;-)