America America America

[really real]

I've been planning an America compilation for a long time, inspired by
Billy Swan's quite lovely That's America, which I used to have on vinyl
but can't find anywhere in digital form.

I've also been inspired by Alpha Blondy's Aparteid is Nazism, with it's
chorus, "America America America, break the back of this apartheid." I
know it's only indirectly about America, but I can't resist that chorus.

It's too bad, because there are so many good America songs, and most of
them are long, so there was only room for 20 songs. And I couldn't use
Leonard Cohen's Democracy or the Grateful Dead's U.S Blues, or Chuck,
Steve Miller, Quicksilver and The Clash's songs about the USA as that
would be another compilation, and there aren't enough USA songs for a
comp like that.

Here are the songs that didn't get away:

AMERICA
1. Alpha Blondy - Apartheid is Nazism
2. The Drifters - Only in America
3. Bruce Springsteen - American Land
4. Nick Lowe - American Squirm
5. Lee Dorsey - God Must Have Blessed America
6. CW Stoneking - Brave Son Of America
7. CSN&Y - American Dream
8. Pete Seeger - He Lies in the American Land
9. Paperboys - America
10. Kinky Friedman - Sold American
11. Paul Simon - American Tune
12. Jackson Browne - For America
13. Natalie Cole, Patti LaBelle & Sheila E - America (edit)
14. David Bowie - Young Americans
15. Elvis Costello - American Without Tears
16. Graham Parker - I Discovered America
17. Gil Scott-Heron -Winter in America
18. John Melancamp - Pink Houses
19. Lou Reed - America
20. Ray Charles - America the Beautiful

[RichL]

"really real" <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Don McLean - American Pie
Eminem - White America
Green Day - American Idiot
Simon & Garfunkel - America

[Gemini Jackson]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 10:17:24 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

One of the earliest and more brazenly honest songs of our land ever:
Monster-Steppenwolf.
-gj

[marcus]

On May 7, 1:43 pm, Gemini Jackson <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 10:17:24 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>

Love it.

[really real]

>>
>> One of the earliest and more brazenly honest songs of our land ever:
>> Monster-Steppenwolf.
>> -gj
>
> Love it.

Wow - never knew about this song. Steppenwolf always put me off with
their heavy sound. I have their Millennium best of, but Monster isn't
included.

On the Monster album, is that pastiche of Monster/Suicide/America
something more than the regular song?

[Gemini Jackson]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 12:25:50 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>>

>>> One of the earliest and more brazenly honest songs of our land ever:
>>> Monster-Steppenwolf.
>>> -gj
>>
>> Love it.
>
>
>Wow - never knew about this song. Steppenwolf always put me off with
>their heavy sound. I have their Millennium best of, but Monster isn't
>included.

Yeah, don't let Born to be Wild turn you away from this one. I feel
like waving a flag at the end everytime I hear it (and that's very
rare that want to do such a thing). It's a reminder that 'America' is
a concept gone awry due to greed and corruption, but a concept still
worth striving for.

>On the Monster album, is that pastiche of Monster/Suicide/America
>something more than the regular song?

Seems to be the same thing.
-gj

[frinjdwelr]

Greg Brown - America Will Eat You, or more recently Let You Freak Flag Fly.

"really real" <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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[really real]

>
> Yeah, don't let Born to be Wild turn you away from this one. I feel
> like waving a flag at the end everytime I hear it (and that's very
> rare that want to do such a thing). It's a reminder that 'America' is
> a concept gone awry due to greed and corruption, but a concept still
> worth striving for.

I should really make a compilation of songs that are actually about
America in this way. I've had to leave off a lot of songs that are like
this, just to include some of my musical favorites, like American Squirm


David Bowie - This Is Not America
David Essex - America
The Doors - L'America
Ian Hunter - Soul of America
Iggy Pop - Wild America
James McMurtry - God Bless America
Joan Armatrading - All the Way From America
Kim Fowley - Is America Dead
Kim Wilde - Kids in America
Michael McDermott - The American in Me
Noel Coward - I Like America
Prince - America

Simon & Garfunkel - America

Supertramp - Breakfast in America
Tom T. Hall - America The Ugly

[really real]

> Simon & Garfunkel - America

I originally thought this song would be essential, and I tried to use
Willie Nelson's version of American Tune, a much better song.

I found the Simon & Garfunkel America to be pretty wimpy this time
around and I was so cramped for space, I thought I'd drop it.

[Just Walkin']

That's too bad; it's a rather decent song written especially to honor
the people of this country without getting nationalistic about it.

So is this one:

Funkadelic - America Eats Its Young

[khematite]

Richard & Mimi Farina - House Un-American Blues Activity Dream

[Jolene]

On May 7, 2:27 pm, "frinjdwelr" <frinjdw...@charter.net> wrote:
> Greg Brown - America Will Eat You, or more recently Let You Freak Flag Fly.
>

> "really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

11 POSTS!!!!!

[Just Walkin']

How about that granddaddy of them all:

Paul Robeson - Ballad for Americans

[Jolene]

NOW WE HAVE A NEW ELEVENTH POST IN THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!

AMEN!!!!!!

[Jolene]

in this thread, so far...

[Jolene]

It showed up late to the party, but what can I say?

Google is a freakin' JUNGLE!!!!!!!!!

[really real]

>
> It showed up late to the party, but what can I say?
>
> Google is a freakin' JUNGLE!!!!!!!!!

Rachel - why are you posting this? Don't you want to sleep tonight?

[really real]

> Greg Brown - America Will Eat You, or more recently Let You Freak Flag Fly.

Here's one I didn't know, Michael McDermott - The American in Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeOs00qQko

I also forgot to mention another reject, Joan Armatrading - All the Way
From America

[Jolene]

I want to fatten all my slaves!!!!!

[Just Walkin']

On May 7, 8:29 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Here's one I didn't know
>

You do realize that your penchant to crowdsource compilation revisions
is one of the more popular features at rmd these days, don't you?

Ya' figure the natives would cut you some slack.

Just a buncha fans havin' some fun.

What could Bob want more?

[Jolene]

Butt thanks.

That's a good idea.

I'll wait a while, who knows how long, before I poke 'em some
more!!!!!!

I'm EGG-stra special!!!!! :-D (oh shut up. so i'm the real bib dylan!)

[Bernie Woodham]

On May 7, 1:23 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

What about Springsteen's "Born in the USA"?

[Jolene]

A baloney sandwich?

*****

Please to excuse the broken pone. I would have called youse a long
time ago. :-)

!SIng it SIster (B'ivrit, B'vakasha!)

My baloney has a first name it's O-s-c-a-r
My baloney has a second name, it's m-e-Y-i-r
Oh, I love to Sing it every day
And if you ask my WHY I'll say....
Cuz Oscar meYir's friend named Bob
wants the World's Greatest Hand's blow job!

[Jolene]

an' i've gone to Car-o-lina in my mind..... :-)

[Just Kidding]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 14:57:34 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>

From West Side Story - America

[Jolene]

omg tv just said

if she's saving the bush, then don't touch the tush

ha ha ha

[marcus]

I played "Monster" a lot during the monstrous Bush years...the lyrics
were so appropriate.

"America, where are you now? Don't you care about your sons and
daughters? Don't you know we need ya now? We can fight alone against
the Monster."

Come to think of it...OWS could use that song, or at least the chorus.

[marcus]

Just to clarify, were you referring to the S&G tune or the Nelson
tune?

If you were speaking about the S&G tune, although I like it a lot, and
listen to it every now and then, it's a depressing song about
alienation...not an honor to the country.

On the other hand if you were talking about the Nelson song...as Emily
Littella was fond of saying, "Nevermind".

[Just Walkin']

On May 7, 9:58 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 14:57:34 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>

Or alternately,

The Nice - America

[Jolene]

A baloney sandwich?

[Just Walkin']

Recognizing this alienation instead of reveling in it honors us.

It doesn't negate it. It doesn't glorify it. Realism at its
commodified best.

I guess you've never pondered much, eh?

[really real]

>>
>> From West Side Story - America
>>
> Or alternately,
>
> The Nice - America

Definitely - I chose, from the West Side Story tribute album, Natalie
Cole, Patti LaBelle & Sheila E's America but I edited out the slow
stuff at the start about Puerto Rico

[really real]

Clearly, an American compilation rings a lot of bells.

The main reason that my compilations are popular here is because we're
all tired of talking about Bob.

I worry though that it's just too tempting for Rachel to spill her guts
out here. She's not going to sleep tonight because of this, and she'll
know why.

[really real]

>
> What about Springsteen's "Born in the USA"?

The alternate version is the second song on my Born compilation

BORN/
1. The Chordettes - Born To Be With You
2. Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. (alt)
3. Nick Lowe - Born Fighter
4. The Knitters - Born To Be Wild
5. The Byrds - Wasn't Born To Follow
6. Sandy Posey - Born A Woman
7. Jesse Colin Young - Born in Chicago
8.Suzi Quatro - Born To Run
9. Paul Simon - Born At The Right Time
10. Aretha Franklin - Why Was I Born
11. Fats Domino - Natural Born Lover
12. Eddie Grant - Born Tuff (edit)
13. Roy Orbison - Borne On The Wind
14. Sam & Dave - Born Again
15. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Born On The Bayou
16. Bob Dylan - Born In Time (alt)
17. Elvis Presley - I Was Born About Ten Thousand Years Ago
18. J B Lenoir - Born Dead
19. Albert King - Born Under A Bad Sign
20. The Poni Tails - Born Too Late
21. Ted Daffan's Texans - Born To Lose
22. Kate & Anna McGarrigle - First Born
23. Blind Willie McTell - You Was Born To Die
24. Shirley Walton - I Was Born To Love You

[Gemini Jackson]

On Mon, 7 May 2012 20:07:48 -0700 (PDT), marcus <marc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

What gives it lasting power is that it doesn't target any specific
leader or administration, it describes our corrupt political
philosophy in it's whole. And does an amazingly accurate job of it
too, in essentially what's a fairly short song. I consider it
Steppenwolf's finest work.
-gj

[really real]

>
> What gives it lasting power is that it doesn't target any specific
> leader or administration, it describes our corrupt political
> philosophy in it's whole. And does an amazingly accurate job of it
> too, in essentially what's a fairly short song. I consider it
> Steppenwolf's finest work.
> -gj

A fairly short song? Doesn't it go on forever? It's almost ten minutes
long. This is the kind of song that inspired the Punks to make short songs

[Gemini Jackson]

On Tue, 08 May 2012 06:55:02 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>

Compared to a book, I mean.
-gj

[marcus]

> I guess you've never pondered much, eh?-

The character in the song always sounded so depressed as opposed to
the music.

I'd rather exalt in someone's joy than in their agony.

[Just Walkin']

No wonder you're sold on the music as divorced from the material
reality that produced it. You see music as an analgesic rather than a
motivator. We Shall Overcome probably sounds like a funeral dirge to
you.

Welcome to Idiocracy.

[khematite]

That's the 9:15 album version, but there's also a 3:55 single version
out there.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Tue, 8 May 2012 08:24:13 -0700 (PDT), khematite <khem...@aol.com>
wrote:

That's the one I'm most familiar with, the one on their GH album.
-gj

[Just Kidding]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 21:42:56 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>

How does Borne On The Wind fit in here since it doesn't having
anything to do with birth?

[marcus]

It's one of my favorite S&G songs. I do appreciate the lyrics...just
don't view it as a "tribute". More of a social commentary wrapped
around the story of two wanderers' lives. Not too long ago, I had an
all day earworm where the lines,

"So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine,
And the moon rose over an open field."

Those two lines express the both commonplace and wonder.

[really real]

>>
> How does Borne On The Wind fit in here since it doesn't having
> anything to do with birth?

I tend to go for the sound of a word, rather than a concept. It was an
obscure Roy Oribison song, so I just threw it in. But perhaps I should
listen more carefully to it.

[khematite]

I think that, as a general rule, we should do our best to keep
homophones out of rmd.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Tue, 8 May 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), khematite <khem...@aol.com>
wrote:

Not me, I'm all for equality. Just killfile em.

-gj

[rwalker]

On Tue, 08 May 2012 06:55:02 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>

Unfortunately, a lot of the punks threw the baby out with the
bathwater.

[really real]

>>
>>
>> I think that, as a general rule, we should do our best to keep
>> homophones out of rmd.
>
> Not me, I'm all for equality. Just killfile em.

I'm not getting this joke at all, but I listened to Bourne By the Wind
and it seems metaphorically to be about being born, the way Born in Time is.

[Just Walkin']

"Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike,
They've all gone to look for America."

[marcus]

Always reminds me of the audience cheer when S&G sang those lines at
the Central Park concert.

[Just Kidding]

On Tue, 08 May 2012 16:42:45 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>>
>>>

"Born" and "Borne" are homophones....they sound the same but have
different meanings. Orbison's "Borne on the Wind" refers to his
departed lover being borne, as in carried, by the wind. It has nothing
to do with being born, as in birthed.

As far as Bourne by the Wind, are you referring to some other song?

[really real]

>>> It's one of my favorite S&G songs. I do appreciate the lyrics...just
>>> don't view it as a "tribute". More of a social commentary wrapped
>>> around the story of two wanderers' lives. Not too long ago, I had an
>>> all day earworm where the lines,
>>
>>> "So I looked at the scenery, she read her magazine,
>>> And the moon rose over an open field."
>>
>>> Those two lines express the both commonplace and wonder.
>>
>> "Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike,
>> They've all gone to look for America."
>
> Always reminds me of the audience cheer when S&G sang those lines at
> the Central Park concert.

Those Jersoids. How about the way they cheer Bruce when he sings the
Jersey Shore line in Jersey Girl.

You guys are making me think I'd better include this song in the America
comp. It is kind of iconic.

I wonder who else has done a version of it?

[Just Kidding]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 05:55:27 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>

From Wikipedia:
"The song has also been covered by many artists, notably Willie
Nelson, Dave Matthews, Eva Cassidy, Ann Wilson, the Indigo Girls, the
Starland Vocal Band, Keane, Glen Phillips, Darrell Scott, Storyhill,
and Charlie Wood."

The Eva Cassidy version is far and away the best cover I've heard. I
have not heard the Starland Vocal Band version, nor would I want to.

[really real]

On 5/9/2012 6:36 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 05:55:27 -0700, really real<reall...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>>> It's one of my favorite S&G songs. I do appreciate the lyrics...just
>>>>> don't view it as a "tribute". More of a social commentary wrapped

>>

>> You guys are making me think I'd better include this song in the America
>> comp. It is kind of iconic.
>>
>> I wonder who else has done a version of it?
>
> From Wikipedia:
> "The song has also been covered by many artists, notably Willie
> Nelson, Dave Matthews, Eva Cassidy, Ann Wilson, the Indigo Girls, the
> Starland Vocal Band, Keane, Glen Phillips, Darrell Scott, Storyhill,
> and Charlie Wood."
>
> The Eva Cassidy version is far and away the best cover I've heard. I
> have not heard the Starland Vocal Band version, nor would I want to.

What do you have against the Starland Vocal Band. They were the Peter
Paul and Mary of the mid 70s. Their Boulder to Birmingham is a delight.

I think you looked up all the versions of American Tune, which Starland
and Willie do. I'm wondering about America

[really real]

oops - just a typo

is a homophone a synonym for homonym?

[Douglas Cooke]

Not sure if anyone mentioned "America Is" by the Violent Femmes (one of the few 80s bands I liked). It's only on their Add It Up complilation.
Doug

[Just Kidding]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 07:09:43 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>

wrote:

>On 5/9/2012 6:36 AM, Just Kidding wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2012 05:55:27 -0700, really real<reall...@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>> It's one of my favorite S&G songs. I do appreciate the lyrics...just
>>>>>> don't view it as a "tribute". More of a social commentary wrapped
>
>>>
>>> You guys are making me think I'd better include this song in the America
>>> comp. It is kind of iconic.
>>>
>>> I wonder who else has done a version of it?
>>
>> From Wikipedia:
>> "The song has also been covered by many artists, notably Willie
>> Nelson, Dave Matthews, Eva Cassidy, Ann Wilson, the Indigo Girls, the
>> Starland Vocal Band, Keane, Glen Phillips, Darrell Scott, Storyhill,
>> and Charlie Wood."
>>
>> The Eva Cassidy version is far and away the best cover I've heard. I
>> have not heard the Starland Vocal Band version, nor would I want to.
>
>
>What do you have against the Starland Vocal Band. They were the Peter
>Paul and Mary of the mid 70s. Their Boulder to Birmingham is a delight.

The only SVB song I'm familiar with is Afternoon Delight. 'Nuff said.

>
>I think you looked up all the versions of American Tune, which Starland
>and Willie do. I'm wondering about America

Right....hard to keep all these American tunes straight. Here ya go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_%28Simon_%26_Garfunkel_song%29#Cover_versions

[Gemini Jackson]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 08:09:28 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>

Nope. A homophone is a word that is pronounced the same as another
word but differs in meaning and exact spelling. A homonym is when 2
words are spelled the same but have different meanings. Don't they
educate you canooks? (I hope that's not racist).

Which reminds me of a homophone (sorta). When I was in high school I
had a history teacher that when he was done scribbling all over his
chalkboard would say "I'm-a 'ras this", meaning " I'm going to erase
this". But of course it always sounded like "I'm a racist". But I
don't think he was.
-gj

[Jolene]

On May 9, 10:55 am, Gemini Jackson <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 08:09:28 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 5/8/2012 9:12 PM, Just Kidding wrote:

> >> On Tue, 08 May 2012 16:42:45 -0700, really real<reallyr...@shaw.ca>

> >> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I think that, as a general rule, we should do our best to keep
> >>>>> homophones out of rmd.
>
> >>>> Not me, I'm all for equality.  Just killfile em.
>
> >>> I'm not getting this joke at all, but I listened to Bourne By the Wind
> >>> and it seems metaphorically to be about being born, the way Born in Time is.
>
> >> "Born" and "Borne" are homophones....they sound the same but have
> >> different meanings. Orbison's "Borne on the Wind" refers to his
> >> departed lover being borne, as in carried, by the wind. It has nothing
> >> to do with being born, as in birthed.
>
> >> As far as Bourne by the Wind, are you referring to some other song?
>
> >oops - just a typo
>
> >is a homophone a synonym for homonym?
>
> Nope.  A homophone is a word that is pronounced the same as another
> word but differs in meaning and exact spelling.  A homonym is when 2
> words are spelled the same but have different meanings.  Don't they
> educate you canooks?  (I hope that's not racist).
>
> Which reminds me of a homophone (sorta).  When I was in high school I
> had a history teacher that when he was done scribbling all over his
> chalkboard would say "I'm-a 'ras this", meaning " I'm going to erase
> this".  But of course it always sounded like "I'm a racist".  But I
> don't think he was.
> -gj

Oh sure, Gem

I bet on the weekends, he goes out hunting and shooting niggers for
sport.

That seems to be popular where you live

[really real]

>
> The only SVB song I'm familiar with is Afternoon Delight. 'Nuff said.

I used to like that song, with its explicit sexuality

.hard to keep all these American tunes straight. Here ya go:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_%28Simon_%26_Garfunkel_song%29#Cover_versions

thanks for the research

America doing America must be quite something, mediocre I bet, but something

I once planned a Self Referencial comp - We Are the Monkees, We Are The
Fugs, Lewis Boogie, Like a Rolling Stone by the Stones, and now America
by America

[really real]

On 5/9/2012 10:14 AM, Douglas Cooke wrote:
> Not sure if anyone mentioned "America Is" by the Violent Femmes (one of the few 80s bands I liked). It's only on their Add It Up complilation.
> Doug

Many thanks Doug, I had totally forgotten about this album

America Is is a fascinating song. I'll have to find room for it

Their American Music is nice too. That's three different songs now
called American Music, also by the Blasters, the Pointer Sisters

But what a mess their Vancouver song is.

[Just Kidding]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 11:39:30 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>>

A few more for you:

Ramones - “R.A.M.O.N.E.S.”
The Who - “Who Are You?”
Queen - “Killer Queen”
Big Country – "In a Big Country"
King Crimson - "In The Court of the Crimson King"
The Barbarians - "Moulty"
The Clash - "This Is Radio Clash" & "Clash City Rockers"

And then, of course, you have the Dylan songs:
Bob Dylan's Dream
Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
Bob Dylan's Blues
Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag

[Gemini Jackson]

Bad Company
-gj

[khematite]

On May 9, 3:31 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 11:39:30 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> The only SVB song I'm familiar with is Afternoon Delight. 'Nuff said.
>
> >I used to like that song, with its explicit sexuality
>
> >.hard to keep all these American tunes straight. Here ya go:
>

> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_%28Simon_%26_Garfunkel_song%29#C...

>
> >thanks for the research
>
> >America doing America must be quite something, mediocre I bet, but something
>
> >I once planned a Self Referencial comp - We Are the Monkees, We Are The
> >Fugs, Lewis Boogie, Like a Rolling Stone by the Stones, and now America
> >by America
>
> A few more for you:
>
> Ramones -  “R.A.M.O.N.E.S.”
> The Who -  “Who Are You?”
> Queen - “Killer Queen”
> Big Country – "In a Big Country"
> King Crimson - "In The Court of the Crimson King"
> The Barbarians - "Moulty"
> The Clash - "This Is Radio Clash" & "Clash City Rockers"
>
> And then, of course, you have the Dylan songs:
> Bob Dylan's Dream
> Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
> Bob Dylan's Blues
> Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag

Pretty exhaustive list, but we need "Bo Diddley" and "Hey Bo Diddley"
by Bo Diddley.

[RichL]

"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...

> Don't they educate you canooks? (I hope that's not racist).

It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection growing
up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
blood coursing through my veins. Saying that directly to a kid with my
background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of loose
teeth.

Speaking of which, now there's a pro hockey team called the Canucks. Go
figure.

But of course we've always had the NFL Redskins, so maybe sports teams get a
pass.

[really real]

>>
>> I once planned a Self Referencial comp - We Are the Monkees, We Are The
>> Fugs, Lewis Boogie, Like a Rolling Stone by the Stones, and now America
>> by America

.....

> And then, of course, you have the Dylan songs:
> Bob Dylan's Dream
> Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
> Bob Dylan's Blues
> Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag

The trouble with Bob is he never mentions his own name. He implies it
when he tells us to rob every bank and tell the judge he said it was all
right, but he should have done a Jerry Lee in that song.

Jerry Lee Lewis mentions himself in almost every song of his these days.

[khematite]

On May 9, 6:46 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Lest we forget the days of dirty tricks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuck_letter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLL8ZAXGys

[Gemini Jackson]

On Wed, 9 May 2012 18:46:05 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...
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>> Don't they educate you canooks? (I hope that's not racist).
>
>It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection growing
>up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
>blood coursing through my veins. Saying that directly to a kid with my
>background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of loose
>teeth.

So it's roughly the equivalent of 'redneck'?

>
>Speaking of which, now there's a pro hockey team called the Canucks. Go
>figure.

25 years from now we'll be so progressive that we'll have a team
called the 'Queers'.

>
>But of course we've always had the NFL Redskins, so maybe sports teams get a
>pass.

Yeah, we had a little drama a few years ago with our Braves team. And
our 'tomahawking'.
-gj

[really real]

>
> 25 years from now we'll be so progressive that we'll have a team
> called the 'Queers'.
>
>>
>> But of course we've always had the NFL Redskins, so maybe sports teams get a
>> pass.
>
> Yeah, we had a little drama a few years ago with our Braves team. And
> our 'tomahawking'.

Sports seem to be the last bastion of political incorrectness. What a
surprise, with all the concussions and steroids, that sports teams
should still sport racist names.

[RichL]

"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 9 May 2012 18:46:05 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...
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>>> Don't they educate you canooks? (I hope that's not racist).
>>
>>It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection
>>growing
>>up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
>>blood coursing through my veins. Saying that directly to a kid with my
>>background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of loose
>>teeth.
>
> So it's roughly the equivalent of 'redneck'?

More like 'spic', at least in my area. There it seemed to be targeted
toward French-Canadians specifically, not Canadians from the other
provinces.

[really real]

>
> More like 'spic', at least in my area. There it seemed to be targeted
> toward French-Canadians specifically, not Canadians from the other
> provinces.

The term for regular Canadians is "Cheeseheads"

[khematite]

On May 10, 8:12 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 9 May 2012 18:46:05 -0400, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> >>"Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...
>
> >>> Don't they educate you canooks?  (I hope that's not racist).
>
> >>It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection
> >>growing
> >>up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
> >>blood coursing through my veins.  Saying that directly to a kid with my
> >>background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of loose
> >>teeth.
>
> > So it's roughly the equivalent of 'redneck'?
>
> More like 'spic', at least in my area.  There it seemed to be targeted
> toward French-Canadians specifically, not Canadians from the other
> provinces.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/05/is-canuck-an-ethnic-slur.html

[tif mon ton]

On May 9, 3:46 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...
>
> > Don't they educate you canooks?  (I hope that's not racist).
>
> It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection growing
> up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
> blood coursing through my veins.  Saying that directly to a kid with my
> background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of loose
> teeth.

According to the rules of the game, those get to follow the tooth
fairy, really real could tell you that but if you don't believe him,
just ask Tinker Bell.

[Dr_dudley]

On May 7, 1:17 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I've been planning an America compilation for a long time, inspired by
> Billy Swan's quite lovely That's America, which I used to have on vinyl
> but can't find anywhere in digital form.
>
> I've also been inspired by Alpha Blondy's Aparteid is Nazism, with it's
> chorus, "America America America, break the back of this apartheid." I
> know it's only indirectly about America, but I can't resist that chorus.
>
> It's too bad, because there are so many good America songs, and most of
> them are long, so there was only room for 20 songs. And I couldn't use
> Leonard Cohen's Democracy or the Grateful Dead's U.S Blues, or Chuck,
> Steve Miller, Quicksilver and The Clash's songs about the USA as that
> would be another compilation, and there aren't enough USA songs for a
> comp like that.
>
> Here are the songs that didn't get away:
>
> AMERICA
> 1. Alpha Blondy - Apartheid is Nazism
> 2. The Drifters - Only in America
> 3. Bruce Springsteen - American Land
> 4. Nick Lowe - American Squirm
> 5. Lee Dorsey - God Must Have Blessed America
> 6. CW Stoneking -  Brave Son Of America
> 7. CSN&Y - American Dream
> 8. Pete Seeger - He Lies in the American Land
> 9. Paperboys - America
> 10. Kinky Friedman - Sold American
> 11. Paul Simon - American Tune
> 12. Jackson Browne - For America
> 13. Natalie Cole, Patti LaBelle & Sheila E  - America (edit)
> 14. David Bowie - Young Americans
> 15. Elvis Costello - American Without Tears
> 16. Graham Parker - I Discovered America
> 17. Gil Scott-Heron -Winter in America
> 18. John Melancamp - Pink Houses
> 19. Lou Reed - America
> 20. Ray Charles - America the Beautiful

hey rr how are ya?

you've clearly missed a couplefew american tunes, forgiven by yr
vancouverian misunderstanding of the america i know.

A Rusty Old American Dream.m4v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJrexFY0F1c

Merle Haggard - America First
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UodJB1tRNVE&ob=av2e

Aztec Two-Step 15th Anniv - Living In America - Aztec Two-Step &
Guests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5QmlkqkvU

Bruce Springsteen-American Land (Bonus Track)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjxlRNly3Dw

I Hear American Singing (Leaves Of Grass)-- Walt Whitman-- Read by Bob
Dylan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1WCwE9UKg

peace be with you,
rdd
___
Billy Swan - Don't be cruel 1975
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fITdfg6nQ

Billy Swan - Shake, rattle and roll (1973)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VktOZuNzn04

Midnight Special: Billy Swan "I Can Help"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZS6XWa-Kw

Phil Ochs - Power and the Glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAJRZehnmPI

[Gemini Jackson]

On Thu, 10 May 2012 18:41:54 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

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>>

I thought that was people in Wisconsin.
-gj

[really real]

>>
>> The term for regular Canadians is "Cheeseheads"
>
> I thought that was people in Wisconsin.

When you can't find a Canadian to bully, you bully your own.

[Kurt Schroeder]

-----Original Message-----
From: The Bob Dylan Discussion List [mailto:HWY...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU] On Behalf Of really real
Subject: Re: America America America

...I once planned a Self Referencial comp - We Are the Monkees, We Are The Fugs, Lewis Boogie, Like a Rolling Stone by the Stones, and now America by America

===========================

Brian Wilson included the song "Brian Wilson" (originally by the Barenaked Ladies) on his Live at the Roxy album.

[Jolene]

That's hysterical!

LMF*A*O, man.

[really real]

>
> Brian Wilson included the song "Brian Wilson" (originally by the Barenaked Ladies) on his Live at the Roxy album.

Thanks, that's a good tip

I found my list:

Bo Diddley (of course)
My Name Is Prince
Madness
Manfred Mann – The One in the Middle
We Are The Moles
We're The Weavils
Hey Hey,We’re The Monkees – the Monkees
We Are The Fugs
My Name Is Bernstein
This is Radio Clash
Stray Cat Strut
Lewis Boogie-Jerry Lee Lewis


It's too bad Alex Chilton isn't around to record Alex Chilton

[Just Walkin']

Mother People - Mothers of Invention

[Bernie Woodham]

Also Creeque Alley - The Mamas and Papas.

[Bernie Woodham]

On May 11, 6:36 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Would Pink Floyd's "Have a Cigar" count?

In fact the whole Wish You Were Here album was self referential.

Ballad of John and Yoko.

[nate]

On May 9, 6:56 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> I once planned a Self Referencial comp -
>

> > And then, of course, you have the Dylan songs:
> > Bob Dylan's Dream
> > Bob Dylan's 115th Dream
> > Bob Dylan's Blues
> > Bob Dylan's New Orleans Rag
>
> The trouble with Bob is he never mentions his own name. He implies it
> when he tells us to rob every bank and tell the judge he said it was all
> right, but he should have done a Jerry Lee in that song.
>
> Jerry Lee Lewis mentions himself in almost every song of his these days.

hmm...let's take another look:


Well, my telephone rang it would not stop,
It's President Kennedy callin' me up.
He said "My friend, Bob, what do we need to make the country grow?"
I said "My friend, John, Brigitte Bardot,
Anita Ekberg,
Sophia Loren."
(Country'll grow!)

I'm just average, common too
I'm just like him, the same as you
I'm everybody's brother and son
I ain't different from anyone
It ain't no use a-talking to me
It's just the same as talking to you.

What's the matter with me,
I don't have much to say,
Daylight sneakin' through the window
And I'm still in this all-night cafe.
Walkin' to and fro beneath the moon
Out to where the trucks are rollin' slow,
To sit down on this bank of sand,
And watch the river flow.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy, <====smoking
gun here
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say
You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

and then from non-songs:

I never eat

I run naked when I can

my hobby's collectin' airplane glue

"come come now Mr. Dylan our readers want
t' know the truth"
"that is the bare hungry sniffin' truth"
"Mr. Dylan, you're very funny, but really now"
"that's all I have t' say today"
"but you'd better answer"
"that sounds like some kind a threat"
"it just could be ha ha ha ha"
"what will be my punishment"
"a rumor tale on you ha ha"
"a what kind of tale ha ha ha ha"
"yes well you'll see, Mr. Dylan, you'll see"

Tarantula has this (format run together instead of how it appears on
the page):

here lies bob dylan murdered from behind by trembling flesh who after
being refused by Lazarus, jumped on him for solitude but was amazed to
discover that he was already a streetcar & that was exactly the end of
bob dylan he now lies in Mrs. Actually's beauty parlor God rest his
soul & his rudeness

two brothers & a naked mama's boy who looks like Jesus Christ can now
share the remains of his sickness & his phone numbers there is no
strength to give away everybody now can just have it back

here lies bob dylan demolished by Vienna politeness which will now
claim to have invented him the cool people can now write Fugues about
him & Cupid can now kick over his kerosene lamp boy dylan-killed by a
discarded Oedipus who turned around to investigate a ghost &
discovered that the ghost too was more than one person



...but yeah, most of the songs use 1st person pronouns.

- nate

[RichL]

"khematite" <khem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Time heals *most* wounds.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:28:54 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Canuck is regarded as a nickname, not a putdown," said Jim Laxer, a
political scientist at York University in Downsville, Ontario.

...this was what I was thinkin'.
-gj

[Just Walkin']

On May 15, 6:40 am, Gemini Jackson <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2012 19:28:54 -0400, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >"khematite" <khemat...@aol.com> wrote in message

> >news:c0eb1509-3238-4366...@f14g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> >> On May 10, 8:12 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> "Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:tjanq75clfg624tdd...@4ax.com...
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> >>> > On Wed, 9 May 2012 18:46:05 -0400, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>> >>"Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >>news:6eblq7dcfhkor1g8n...@4ax.com...
>
> >>> >>> Don't they educate you canooks?  (I hope that's not racist).
>
> >>> >>It used to be considered as bigoted, at least that's my recollection
> >>> >>growing
> >>> >>up as a kid in New England with a significant amount of French-Canadian
> >>> >>blood coursing through my veins.  Saying that directly to a kid with my
> >>> >>background usually resulted in the offender acquiring a mouthful of
> >>> >>loose
> >>> >>teeth.
>
> >>> > So it's roughly the equivalent of 'redneck'?
>
> >>> More like 'spic', at least in my area.  There it seemed to be targeted
> >>> toward French-Canadians specifically, not Canadians from the other
> >>> provinces.
>

> >>http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/05/is-canu...

>
> >Time heals *most* wounds.
>
> "Canuck is regarded as a nickname, not a putdown," said Jim Laxer, a
> political scientist at York University in Downsville, Ontario.
>
> ...this was what I was thinkin'.
> -gj
>

We still doin' born?

Roger Williams - Born Free

[really real]

>
> Ballad of John and Yoko.

I think you have to have your whole name to make the song self
referential. John Hiatt's Johnny line in a song, and Bob phoning JFK
just don't count. Creeque Alley is a bit too autobiographical to sneak
in as just a self referential song.

But how about this one

The Strawberry Alarm Clock - Strawberries Mean Love

[RichL]

"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, it appears that's the way it has evolved. But traces remain...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=canuck

Scroll down to definition #5:

"There is a theory that the word is derived from Connaught, a term said to
be given by French Canadians to the Irish. The Oxford Companion To The
English Language (defines the term as): Canuck 1820's. Probably from the
Iroquoian "CANUCHSA", someone in a "KANATA"(village).but possibly from
Hawaiian "KANAKA" (man), through a pidgin used in the fur trade (in which
Pacific islanders were employed), and taken into French as "CANAQUE",
perhaps being originally applied to French Canadian canoemen. A nickname for
a Canadian.but in the U.S. Northeast pejoratively referring to French
Canadians."

"Pejoratively". At least I didn't imagine it. Which is refreshing, at my
age.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 13:20:11 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

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The bitch is back - Elton John
-gj

[really real]

>
> The bitch is back - Elton John

We'v got Elton's, and we've got the Stones', so how hard can a Bitch
compilation be?

Ricky Lee Jones -Bitchenostrophy

7 Year Bitch-Shake Appeal (Iggy Pop)


And Prince has two Bitch songs, Irresistable Bitch

and Billy Jack Bitch, unless that is a typo

[Bernie Woodham]

Hair of the Dog - Nazareth

[really real]

> Hair of the Dog - Nazareth

That's a Son of a Bitch song. I don't know of any Son of a Bitch song
titles but Hurricane has a SOB line.

[Bernie Woodham]

Well, most sonsabitches come from bitches. If she wasn't a bitch they
wouldn't be calling him a son of one.

So, really it's a bitch song.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:02:44 -0700, really real <reall...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>

>> Hair of the Dog - Nazareth
>
>
>That's a Son of a Bitch song. I don't know of any Son of a Bitch song
>titles but Hurricane has a SOB line.

I've heard a version of Devil Went Down to Georgia where he says
'bitch' instead of 'gun'.

"Told you once you son of a bitch...."
-gj

[RichL]

"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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I don't think I ever heard the "gun" version. But I'm a yankee, after
all...

[Gemini Jackson]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 22:06:48 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Interesting. One of the few times I've heard the 'bitch' version on
the radio, the dj immediately came on afterwards and apologized,
saying it was a mix up and the wrong version was played. I think it
was on a country station.
-gj

[RichL]

"Gemini Jackson" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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That's why I brought up the yankee thing. By the time that song was
released, standards as to what constituted "offensive material" had likely
relaxed in certain areas of the country but not in others. I suspect the
"bitch" version is what the Daniels band regards as the "real" version, but
they recognized that they had to make a version suitable for play in the
more conservative-religious-dominated areas. But I'm just guessing here.

'Bitch' wasn't even one of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on TV.

[Gemini Jackson]

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:46:24 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>

Oh yes, that's exactly it.

I've always found humor in those that are offended by coarse language
whist also cursing between every breathe. We're big on the
do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do thing. I still recall my father lighting up a
cig and saying "I better not ever catch you doing this". Of course
later in life they bought me my first ashtray. T'was a tender moment.
You'd have to pay me quite a bit to smoke one now.

>
>'Bitch' wasn't even one of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on TV.

Good point.
-gj

[marcus]

On May 21, 10:46 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > On Fri, 18 May 2012 22:06:48 -0400, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>"Gemini Jackson" <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:3edcr7pa83j016ta1...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:02:44 -0700, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca>

> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Hair of the Dog - Nazareth
>
> >>>>That's a Son of a Bitch song. I don't know of any Son of a Bitch song
> >>>>titles but Hurricane has a SOB line.
>
> >>> I've heard a version of Devil Went Down to Georgia where he says
> >>> 'bitch' instead of 'gun'.
>
> >>> "Told you once you son of a bitch...."
>
> >>I don't think I ever heard the "gun" version.  But I'm a yankee, after
> >>all...
>
> > Interesting.  One of the few times I've heard the 'bitch' version on
> > the radio, the dj immediately came on afterwards and apologized,
> > saying it was a mix up and the wrong version was played.  I think it
> > was on a country station.
>
> That's why I brought up the yankee thing.  By the time that song was
> released, standards as to what constituted "offensive material" had likely
> relaxed in certain areas of the country but not in others.  I suspect the
> "bitch" version is what the Daniels band regards as the "real" version, but
> they recognized that they had to make a version suitable for play in the
> more conservative-religious-dominated areas.  But I'm just guessing here.
>
> 'Bitch' wasn't even one of George Carlin's seven words you can't say on TV.

I remember when M*A*S*H had an episode in the early 80s where Hawkeye
curses out a South Korean officer, calling him a son of a bitch. It
was one of the first prime time shows to feature that phrase.

[Jolene]

When d'ya think prime time'll start saying fuck and showing penises?

?