Pig without a wig? Expand and expound, please
Greg Wallace
context, narrow the meaning?
Matt Reading
self-put down.. the lines that come before are
' I can make you poems, make a strong man lose his mind/
I'm no pig without a wig, I hope you treat me kind'
...kind of like Bob's taking the piss out of jis ability to 'write you
poems'. Well, that's how I've thought of this seemingly nonsensical line.
Hardly the best one in High Water, though...
Matt
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Lloyd Fonvielle
looking like "a pig with a wig". Wonder if it's a common British expression?
Pat Fitzgerald
Goose rhyme featuring a wigless pig:
As I went to Bonner
I met a pig
Without a wig,
Upon my word and honor.
Sarah Poynting
navi...@compuserve.com wrote on 28/11/01 11:29 am:
> In "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" a character is described as
> looking like "a pig with a wig". Wonder if it's a common British expression?
>
No.
Lucas Porter
"jump into the wagon, love, throw your panties overboard"
After he sings the "no pig without a wig" line, he sings "I hope you
treat me kind"
The line 'I hope you treat me kind" is answered with "things are
breaking up out there" meaning that she dumps him - breaks up with him
- for being a jamoke. It's a funny line, deeping the meaning of the
metaphorical flood.
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Michael G Smith
"pig without a wig" might mean something in and of itself. But context
is everything and seeing how the rest of the line is ". . . I hope you
treat me kind", I think he's saying, "I'm not one to be fucked with".
Michael
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Greg Wallace
was an idiomatic expression I hadn't encountered.
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Tricia J
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>I doubt this narrows any kind of meaning, but here's a short Mother
>Goose rhyme featuring a wigless pig:
>As I went to Bonner
>I met a pig
>Without a wig,
>Upon my word and honor.
If you change the last line to "your honour" (as I seem to remember
hearing it said), then what we have is another comment on the
judiciary (in the British system of justice, both judges and
barristers wear wigs).
Lloyd Fonvielle
In that case, I wonder if it's an uncommon British expression -- especially
considering the recently quoted nursery rhyme that contains it. Perhaps it would
mean something to someone who grew up on those nursery rhymes. It can't be a
coincidence that it appears in one and in Rowling and in Dylan.
George Abbs
Christine Morgan
Kelly Huckeby
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This is too much for me to handle ;-). A link between Rowling and Dylan(could
anyone have
fortold this? hehe!). Next I am going to hear that Dylan is a fan of the
"Harry Potter" novels. Of course,
I guess it shouldn't surprise me if he had read them seeing as he seems to read
everything he can get his hands on.
Kelly
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raven
Bambiemoore
is nobody's fool.
Bambiemoore
Bambiemoore
he is nobody's fool.
keith.smith11
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Glenn Cooper
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> If you change the last line to "your honour" (as I seem to remember
> hearing it said), then what we have is another comment on the
> judiciary (in the British system of justice, both judges and
> barristers wear wigs).
In "Hurricane" we have:
"The trial was a pig circus".
So, yeah, I think it's a judicial system comment.
Glenn C.
Ray Baldwin
raven wrote:
> >>>>This would make more sense if he was saying "big" instead of "pig" as in bigwig.<<<<
Nates came up with something like that back in September. I hadn't given it another thought since then. He wrote:
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> hearing for maybe the 3rd time, i just realized it's
>
> a Big without a wig,
>
> as in bigwigs.
>
> fits in with the "freddy or not here i come" etc.
>
>
> - nates
Ray.
Dennis J Green
without a wig = wigged out = crazy
pig without a wig = crazy male chauvinist PIG
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Sarah Poynting
navi...@compuserve.com wrote on 28/11/01 6:30 pm:
I wish I could be more help, but I have never come across it before, despite
an upbringing involving lots of nursery rhymes and fairy stories. I'm
intrigued to hear of its appearance in Harry Potter (sorry, only person in
the known universe and beyond not to have read it) - can you tell from
the context what she means by it? Perhaps it's a Scottish expression?
She wrote Harry Potter while living in Edinburgh, I think. I did try the
longer OED before writing such a definitive no, and it doesn't contain
the phrase, which sounds as if it might be connected to the traditional
children's word for a pig, pigwig/pigwiggin etc (as in 'And there in a
wood, a piggywig stood ...).
And none of this gets us any further towards the pig without a wig.
Sarah
nates
>
> This would make more sense if he was saying "big" instead of "pig" as in bigwig.
....thank you.
- nate
nates
>
> "The trial was a pig circus".
> So, yeah, I think it's a judicial system comment.
>
> Glenn C.
that not the judge or DA &
it was Common back then to refer to the Law as pigs.
in this case he is talking about the cop testimony.
then, he also means the system, but you originate
the seed of the idea from the cops.
- nate, no Bigwig either
Eddie
> I agree that's what one should probably take away. I just wondered if it
> was an idiomatic expression I hadn't encountered.
'I'm real - I'm not a curiosity or a "fantastic" creaure (re the nursery
rhyme) - please treat me right'
Eddie
Michael G Smith
> In "Hurricane" we have:
>
> "The trial was a pig circus".
>
> So, yeah, I think it's a judicial system comment.
Hmmmm. I always thought "pig circus" was a reference to the amount of
cops who testified at the trial.
Michael
robertandrews
>This would make more sense if he was saying "big" instead of "pig" as in
bigwig.
"Big without a wig" is a cute word game that doesn't add up to much. I
think it means "I'm not just half a bigshot," which is inconsistent with
mood of the song, especially "as great as you are, you'll never be greater
than yourself." The song is about knocking nearly everything down to
size -- including our elevated ideas of romance & science. I don't Dylan's
playing the bigshot -- he ends up alone & dusting his broom.
From a woman, "pig without a wig" can mean "I'm just as pretty, or prettier,
without the makeup." In this song, it's also "I'm not an abusive pig
beneath this rough exterior, so treat me kind." But the overriding feeling
I get is "Maybe I'm not much, but I'm real enough to see things the way they
are."
That Dylan understands the futility in letting his lover drown, is the only
hope for his salvation. In Highwater, he straddles two sides of the river,
finally reaching dry but desolate land. Perhaps he should bid a restless
farewell to Lord Cuckoo & find himself another best friend -- one he's
willing to die for.
frinjdwelr
"Ray Baldwin" <ray...@ihug.com.au> wrote
I really liked this theory from the first time it was raised, so at the
shows I listened for it hopefully. Unfortunately, live he clearly was
saying "pig."
Greg Graham
shave a pig
How many hairs to make a wig"
Can't remember the rest. It was used as a skipping rhyme by girls in some
parts.
Greg Graham,
www.myfairdomains.com
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Tricia J
this little rhyme, from a mummer's play, seems to go along with that
definition (but I still hear it maybe as a bit of a slam on judges &
lawyers).
>>>>
Fidler Wit.
In comes I Fidler Wit
My head's so large, me wits so small
I've brought me fidler to please you all.
Toll-de-roll the tinder box
Father died the other night
And left me all his riches,
A wooden leg, a feather bed,
And a pair of leather breeches,
A coffee pot without a spout,
A jug without a handle,
A guinea pig without a wig,
And half a farthing candle.
Sing brothers sing.
Found in:
Tiddy R. J. E. (1923) The Mummers' Play. Oxford University press.
<<<<
Howard Mirowitz
> I'm intrigued to hear of its appearance in Harry Potter (sorry, only
person in
> the known universe and beyond not to have read it)
I'm another benighted Potter-less soul. Although my wife did drag me to see
the movie last weekend. (It was OK.)
What shall we do?
H.
robertandrews
>But the overriding feeling I get is "Maybe I'm not much, but I'm real
enough to see things the way they are."
That's a very serious way to see it, & this isn't a light song. But "pig
without a wig" is pretty silly -- it's not much more than "I ain't so bad."
John Mc Cann
Upon my word and honour,
As I was going to Bonner,
I met a pig,
Without a wig,
Upon my word and honour.
My sweet Lord
--
John Mc Cann
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Sarah Poynting
Mirowitz at miro...@pacbell.net wrote on 30/11/01 7:39 am:
Form a Society for the Prevention of Potter Universe Domination
(SPPUD)?
Sarah
Howard Mirowitz
lol! Now we need a secret code word. How about "quidditch"? They'll
never guess that one. ;-)
H.
Lloyd Fonvielle
> Sarah Poynting <sarah.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > What shall we do?
> > > H.
> > >
> > >
> > Form a Society for the Prevention of Potter Universe Domination
> > (SPPUD)?
> >
> > Sarah
> >
>
> lol! Now we need a secret code word. How about "quidditch"? They'll
> never guess that one.
You Muggles!
Howard Mirowitz
Sarah Poynting
Mirowitz at miro...@pacbell.net wrote on 1/12/01 7:14 am:
How am I supposed to make a suitable comeback when I
have neither read the book nor seen the film? How
is SPPUD to operate successfully when one of its
founder members has already been brainwashed?
Sarah
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