If you were going to commit suicide to a Bob Dylan song...
The Hysterical Bride
I can already answer this from experience.
I ODed on neuroleptics to A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall, Sept. 27, 1992
(Haldol, Benadryl, Cogentin, Tegretol, Ativan, Navane, Lithium,
Librium, Xanex and I think I'm missing one more, can't remember) (It
was a cry for help, I didn't try and commit suicide and fail. I'm not
*that* much of a loser. I called my parents in Princeton. I was
crying. I couldn't stop. I desperately needed help with my bulimia.)
Anyone else?
(feel free to post anonymously, if you don't want people to know.)
Jumbo
wrote:
> which one would you choose?
Oh, it's impossible to choose one. It would depend on my reasons.
Currently, I don't consider suicide a good idea, a) cos I have
responsibilities in this world, and b) I've a strong hunch that
committing suicide has repercussions in terms of what combination the
stuff I'm made of assumes thereafter.
That said,
If I was committing suicide, my song-choice would depend on my reasons
for going
Financial: Wigwam.
Unlucky in love: I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.
Bored of life: Can't Wait.
Despair at the state of the world: Cat's in the Well (the last beat
would be a good send-off.
Told to do it by guru: Hero Blues.
Desperate to get away from rr's idiotic baiting techniques: Tryna Get
to Heaven
Martin
> If I was committing suicide, my song-choice would depend on my reasons
> for going
How about - belief that you are the son of god, ready to rise again:
Make You Feel My Love
(smiley face)
Jumbo
You ... you're right ... except One More Night is even better for that.
marie
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> On Feb 26, 7:22 am, The Hysterical Bride <goldarac...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> which one would you choose?
>
Go Now by the Moody Blues.
Get the hint?
<wink wink, nudge nudge>
The Hysterical Bride
No, I completely don't get the hint.
Are you telling me to stop posting?
geminij...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Going, going, gone.
We've been down this road before, no?
-GJ
The Hysterical Bride
You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
I asked you to explain yourself before, yesterday, and I'm still
waiting, btw.
If you would be willing to try...
Pilgrim
I've always thought The Drifters Escape would be a great to die during
song, but I plan on keeling over right at the end of a lecture,
preferably on the symbolic link between sex and death in occult
literature in front of an appreciative crowd, some time in my 90's,
rather than committing suicide.
Pilgrim
I've decided to just go with the creepy geriatric sex theme, btw.
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The Hysterical Bride
> On Feb 26, 2:22 am, The Hysterical Bride <goldarac...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>
Of course it counts!
There are no wrong answers. :)
geminij...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 26, 8:01 am, geminijackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > On Feb 26, 2:22 am, The Hysterical Bride <goldarac...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > which one would you choose?
>
> > > I can already answer this from experience.
>
> > > I ODed on neuroleptics to A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall, Sept. 27, 1992
> > > (Haldol, Benadryl, Cogentin, Tegretol, Ativan, Navane, Lithium,
> > > Librium, Xanex and I think I'm missing one more, can't remember) (It
> > > was a cry for help, I didn't try and commit suicide and fail. I'm not
> > > *that* much of a loser. I called my parents in Princeton. I was
> > > crying. I couldn't stop. I desperately needed help with my bulimia.)
>
> > > Anyone else?
>
> > > (feel free to post anonymously, if you don't want people to know.)
>
> > Going, going, gone.
> > We've been down this road before, no?
> > -GJ
>
> You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
About 6 months ago.
>
> I asked you to explain yourself before, yesterday, and I'm still
> waiting, btw.
That's right, you did.
> If you would be willing to try...
I dunno, this whole *trying* thing sounds like a setup to fail.
-GJ
R.BLTs.e...@gmail.com
Some people can dish it out but they can't take it ... or leave it.
You want the last word ? - take it. King of the world wide web.
"AND DONE", no ?
ok, bye
The Hysterical Bride
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No, I'm being completely straightforward.
I don't understand AT ALL what you meant by "we've been down this road
before, no?" I even tried looking it up, I knew it was real familiar,
I thought I knew what song, but typed in the words, couldn't find it,
just went to look at Senor, I was right, but I still don't know what
you mean.
And are you saying that there is no sense in trying? Do you all live
by Bob Dylan's lyrics or something?
I dunno.
I'm just trying to understand you.
Also, I'm assuming you meant Going, going, gone as the song you would
commit suicide to.
P.S. I feel really woozy. I don't even know if I can make it to the
doctor. Seriously. I may have to call and BEG for a week's worth of
medication, or even a couple days, and try again tomorrow or
something. Yes, that is what I am going to do.
Mr. Dylan, you could change my life.
I guess you don't want me to change your life, though. You're in your
comfort zone, I guess. I'm not good enough for you. :( (Or you really
do hate me, or something. :/ ? )
The Hysterical Bride
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Am I being passive-aggressive and manipulative?
I just saw it that way, and I certainly don't mean to be.
I'm having a bad time, and I'm taking it out on Mr. Dylan.
But I'm hurt, because he let it happen, and I think he's singing about
me, but he won't call me, so I am like torn in two.
I don't know what to believe.
He is doing this to me.
He is causing this.
I really believe that.
tory...@gmail.com
Whenever I hear the horrible Ballad in Plain D, I feel like killing
someone...
not necessarily myself, however.
TuMuLTY
Darkstar
Darkstar
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Martin
> Whenever I hear the horrible Ballad in Plain D, I feel like killing
> someone...
Hey - I love that song. Okay, it might be a little clumsy in parts,
but I think it gets an unfairly bad rap ever since it was listed in
some crappy music magazine as the worst Dylan song ever
Jumbo
The bad parts are bad enough to qualify it as the 2nd worst Dylan song
ever. (But I like the snippet on Renaldo & Clara...)
Martin
> The bad parts are bad enough to qualify it as the 2nd worst Dylan song
> ever. (But I like the snippet on Renaldo & Clara...)
After MYFML you mean?
Jumbo
Ha ... ha ...
khematite
> On Feb 26, 11:03 pm, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 7:17 pm, tory8...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Whenever I hear the horrible Ballad in Plain D, I feel like killing
> > > someone...
>
> > Hey - I love that song. Okay, it might be a little clumsy in parts,
> > but I think it gets an unfairly bad rap ever since it was listed in
> > some crappy music magazine as the worst Dylan song ever
Oh, it had a bad rap long, long before any magazine listed it as
Dylan's worst song. It was considered awful even back in the 1960s.
"With unknown consciousness, I possessed in my grip/A magnificent
mantelpiece, though its heart being chipped" had that effect on most
people.
> The bad parts are bad enough to qualify it as the 2nd worst Dylan song
> ever. (But I like the snippet on Renaldo & Clara...)
Agreed regarding that snippet. But of course, that's Gordon Lightfoot
singing.
battersby
Myownself, I wouldn't chose a Dylan song.
The Velvet UnderGround would be my choice.
Wait, has Bob ever done Heroin??
when I put a spike into my vein
I tell ya things aren't quite the same
when I rush
it makes me feel like jesus son
I guess but I just don't know
when the smack begins to flow
I really don't care anymore.................
etc
--
battersby.
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The Hysterical Bride
> On Feb 26, 11:05 am, The Hysterical Bride <rache...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
>
> About 6 months ago.
>
I'm sorry.
I must have missed it, or I forgot.
I tried to look it up, no luck.
Martin
> "With unknown consciousness, I possessed in my grip/A magnificent
> mantelpiece, though its heart being chipped" had that effect on most
> people
As I said, a little clumsy at times, but I wouldn't put it anywhere
near a 'worst songs' list. And bad poetry or not, Bob's performance
of it on Another Side is beautiful
Donald Davison
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> Wiggle Wiggle kinda makes me want to hang myself. Does that count?
Odd that such a joyous song should have that effect. If the phrase "wiggle
wiggle" had been some other phrase that didn't embarrass people with its
apparent childishness, maybe they could appreciate the intensity and economy
of most of the other lines. Intense things are going on in this song --
things that bite, cut, answer, and come. Ordinary processes are turned on
themselves: the moon sees you. What causes all this? Ordinary things -- so
ordinary they can be characterised by a childish phrase -- if they are
undertaken and persisted in with a spirit and with energy. Maybe that's what
endless touring is like.
You might as well mock Shakespeare for being reduced to saying "hey nonny
no".
It's a bit like "De doo doo doo" always showing up in those "worst song
lyrics" lists, as if it wasn't a reasonably intelligent song ABOUT
apparently meaningless lyrics.
Jumbo
> On Feb 27, 12:44 am, khematite <khemat...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "With unknown consciousness, I possessed in my grip/A magnificent
> > mantelpiece, though its heart being chipped" had that effect on most
> > people
>
> As I said, a little clumsy at times, but I wouldn't put it anywhere
> near a 'worst songs' list.
"A little clumsy at times"? Nah, it's dead clumsy about most of the
way through. And let's forget "worse songs" lists in silly magazines.
Someone, I forget who, some musician worth listening to, said "Bob's
only written one out and out bad song". Guess which? (Course, that
remark was made some time in the 70s...)
> And bad poetry or not, Bob's performance
> of it on Another Side is beautiful
You have a point, there. But it can't redeem the song.
Pilgrim
It sounded good to me the first time I heard it, till I got to the
last stanza:
Ah, my friends from the prison, they ask unto me,
"How good, how good does it feel to be free?"
And I answer them most mysteriously,
"Are birds free from the chains of the skyway?"
Yikes! What a clumsy, overwrought, pathetic cry for pity. By the
second listen, I was in full agreement with her mother and sister.
Pilgrim
Wiggle Wiggle, on the other hand...
Under the Red Sky gets an unfair bad rap.
Martin
> > "A little clumsy at times"? Nah, it's dead clumsy about most of the
> > way through
> Yikes! What a clumsy, overwrought, pathetic cry for pity. By the
> second listen, I was in full agreement with her mother and sister
I think you're all mad (smiley face)
Jumbo
Yes, I agree. It just calls out for one long song with more substance,
and the brilliance of Handy Dandy, Cat's in the Well, 10000 Men etc
would fall into place. E.g. a 7-minute narrative epic about a lost
blanket.
Jumbo
> On Feb 26, 11:29 pm, "battersby" <NOSPAMknucklehead...@satx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Myownself, I wouldn't chose a Dylan song.
>
> > The Velvet UnderGround would be my choice.
>
> > Wait, has Bob ever done Heroin??
>
> > when I put a spike into my vein
> > I tell ya things aren't quite the same
> > when I rush
> > it makes me feel like jesus son
> > I guess but I just don't know
>
> > when the smack begins to flow
> > I really don't care anymore.................
>
> > etc
>
>
> I think you are referring to the song, RAIN.
Ha.
Of course, Heroin is really about Jesus, sacrifical hero, feminised as
heroin.
Pilgrim
> On Feb 27, 9:08 am, Pilgrim <mcisr...@umich.edu> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
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> > > On Feb 27, 9:20 am, Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 27, 12:44 am, khematite <khemat...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "With unknown consciousness, I possessed in my grip/A magnificent
> > > > > mantelpiece, though its heart being chipped" had that effect on most
> > > > > people
>
> > > > As I said, a little clumsy at times, but I wouldn't put it anywhere
> > > > near a 'worst songs' list.
>
> > > "A little clumsy at times"? Nah, it's dead clumsy about most of the
> > > way through. And let's forget "worse songs" lists in silly magazines.
> > > Someone, I forget who, some musician worth listening to, said "Bob's
> > > only written one out and out bad song". Guess which? (Course, that
> > > remark was made some time in the 70s...)
>
> > > > And bad poetry or not, Bob's performance
> > > > of it on Another Side is beautiful
>
> > > You have a point, there. But it can't redeem the song.
>
> > It sounded good to me the first time I heard it, till I got to the
> > last stanza:
> > Ah, my friends from the prison, they ask unto me,
> > "How good, how good does it feel to be free?"
> > And I answer them most mysteriously,
> > "Are birds free from the chains of the skyway?"
>
> > Yikes! What a clumsy, overwrought, pathetic cry for pity. By the
> > second listen, I was in full agreement with her mother and sister.
>
> Bob Dylan over one of his songs, which one would it be?
I never throttle.
The flow of a persons fluid is their own responsibility. It's a
matter of principle.
Pilgrim
*E.g. a 7-minute narrative epic about a lost blanket.*
Yes, the loss that leads to a life time of searching for comfort and
yearning for purity in a tawdry world of half realized dreams.
Wipes eyes...
tory...@gmail.com
Come on Marty, what is there to love about the song?
Tell us, tell us now.
T.
Jumbo
>
> > > So maybe the thread should be called: If you were going to throttle
> > > Bob Dylan over one of his songs, which one would it be?
>
> onslaught of flame from this board) GATES OF EDEN. Why? I am made to
> sit for 10 minutes listening to words that sound like they were
> intended to mean something only to be told at the end of the song that
> they really don't mean much at all.:
>
> At dawn my lover comes to me
> And tells me of her dreams
> With no attempts to shovel the glimpse
> Into the ditch of what each one means
> At times I think there are no words
> But these to tell what's true.
>
> Tranlation: At times it's fun to throw images around and stick them
> together every which way and, Hey! That can be true, too. OKAY?? In
> fact, just like my (bodacious) girlfriend over here, I'm not even
> going to ATTEMPT to say what they mean. That would be so...so...ditch-
> digging like. And I'm a songwriter, not a ditch digger, see?
Aw, Treadle, that's not it at all. Gates of Eden is a fantastic lyric,
and you've taken it the wrong way.
Pilgrim
There are no truths outside the Gates of Eden, at least not any that
can be forced and made to be absolute.
I like this couple of lines, but it took me a while to figure them
out:
With no attempts to shovel the glimpse
Into the ditch of what each one means
She doesn't destroy the glimpse, which is all we can really get
outside of Eden, by forcing the insight she has into a hole dug to
contain the meaning of her dream symbols. She's able to leave it open
ended.
Or something like that.
Jumbo
Yes. The difficulty in explaining it is maybe the best indication of
what it "means". But I won't let that stop me...
Just because something's meaning can't be put into words doesn't make
that thing random.
Martin
> Just because something's meaning can't be put into words doesn't make
> that thing random
That sounds like something I would say, doesn't it?
Jumbo
I dunno. I've been saying it all along.
Treadleson
> Aw, Treadle, that's not it at all. Gates of Eden is a fantastic lyric,
> and you've taken it the wrong way.
Jumbo, you always try to tickle me into submission like this. BUT
THIS TIME IT WON'T WORK I TELL YOU!
Gemini Jackson
<NOSPAMknuc...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>Myownself, I wouldn't chose a Dylan song.
>
>
>
>The Velvet UnderGround would be my choice.
>
>
>
>Wait, has Bob ever done Heroin??
>
>
>when I put a spike into my vein
>I tell ya things aren't quite the same
>when I rush
>it makes me feel like jesus son
>I guess but I just don't know
>
>when the smack begins to flow
>I really don't care anymore.................
>
>etc
You hear that new song (Tranquilize) he did with the Killers? It's
excellent.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=03w0BUzD0Yc
-GJ
~GJ~
Gerry Morgan
Jumbo
>
> Jumbo, you always try to tickle me into submission like this. BUT
> THIS TIME IT WON'T WORK I TELL YOU!
All right, go through life thinking Gates of Eden is random mush, see
if I care. But ... you're missing out. Any song with the line "sits
with utopian hermit monks side-saddle on the golden calf" must have
SOMETHING going for it.
Pilgrim
>
> > Or something like that.
>
> Pilgrim, your natural humor finally makes itself known. Beautiful.
Couldn't think of anything else to say, hunh?
> 'Something like that' reminds me of one of my favorite Guided By Voice
> song, ECHOS MYRON. Dost thou know it?
I picked it up from Dylan, but I know Guided By Voices.
Pilgrim
>
> > > Pilgrim, your natural humor finally makes itself known. Beautiful.
>
> > Couldn't think of anything else to say, hunh?
>
There was only a response to your vaguely condescending comment.
>
>
>
> > > 'Something like that' reminds me of one of my favorite Guided By Voice
> > > song, ECHOS MYRON. Dost thou know it?
>
> > I picked it up from Dylan, but I know Guided By Voices.
>
> Okay then, here's verse one of Echoes Myron. Words only:
>
> Tower to the skies,
> An academy of lies,
> And what goes up surely must come down
> And we felt the mighty blowup with the walls coming down
> Or something like that.
Yeah, I know the song.
Do you have a point? Does this somehow relate to Gates of Eden?
I picked up the phrase from a Dylan bootleg where he is trying to
teach a back-up singer how he wants her to sing a part of a song.
It's a rather funny exchange because he approximates the melody, so
now, when I wish to leave room for the other person to have their own
interpretation on something, which I think is important in anything as
subjective as the meaning of a particular poem or song, and I'm
offering an approximate analysis as a opener for them, I will often
use the phrase.
Any new thoughts on the verse from Gates of Eden?
The Hysterical Bride
> On Feb 26, 11:05 am, The Hysterical Bride <rache...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
>
> About 6 months ago.
I sent you an e-mail, and asked you to send me the link to the thread
about this very topic. I haven't heard from you.
Could you post a link for me?
I tried looking it up, and I can't find any evidence that it existed.
The Hysterical Bride
As for myself, I thought about it anew, at first I thought, Desolation
Row was the best one, but I thought about it again, and I totally know
what song I would listen to as I sat in Bob Dylan's chair, with a gun
pointed in my mouth, ready to pull the trigger.
Dirge
Good-bye cruel world!
P.S. I thought I Threw It All Away was a great answer, too.
buttman
I would pick No Time To Think
The Hysterical Bride
> On Feb 26, 11:05 am, The Hysterical Bride <rache...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
>
> About 6 months ago.
>
Gemini, I beseech you, kind sir.
I have searched earnestly for this thread of which you speak, and I
can not find it.
I ask you again, (for the last time), could you pretty please post a
link, or direct me to it so I can look it up?
I am sorry, I just don't remember it, and I can't find it anywhere.
TIA,
Rachel
geminij...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 26, 9:23 am, geminijackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 11:05 am, The Hysterical Bride <rache...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > You mean this was already a topic for a thread? :/
>
> > About 6 months ago.
>
> Gemini, I beseech you, kind sir.
Call me Gem.
>
> I have searched earnestly for this thread of which you speak, and I
> can not find it.
>
> I ask you again, (for the last time), could you pretty please post a
> link, or direct me to it so I can look it up?
>
> I am sorry, I just don't remember it, and I can't find it anywhere.
>
> TIA,
> Rachel
My bad. It was a thread of what you'd have played at your funeral,
not if you committed suicide. See link:
I've been depriving myself of carbs I think and it's affected my
mammory. <looks around> ...where am I anyways? My deepest apologies
for any time you've wasted searching for that thread. Send me the
bill.
-GJ
The Hysterical Bride
LOL!
You seem to have rather good humor over such an unfortunate error.
LOL!
Just kidding.
No problem. :)
PringleSpokesPerson_dudley
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> which one would you choose?
>
Hollis Brown
Bill Arnold
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> From: PringleSpokesPerson_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net>
> Subject: Re: If you were going to commit suicide to a Bob Dylan song...
>
> On Feb 26, 2:22=A0am, The Hysterical Bride <goldarac...@gmail.com>
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> On Mar 2, 2:07 pm, The Hysterical Bride <goldarac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> . . .
> > Dirge
> > Good-bye cruel world!
> > P.S. I thought I Threw It All Away was a great answer, too.
> I would pick No Time To Think
Series of Dreams
But if I were *really* going to do it, I would do it to Cohen's Joan
of Arc.
~`~
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The Hysterical Bride
Omg, please tell me that you wouldn't set yourself on fire. Isn't that
like that worst way to die? (not sure)
Joan of Arc
Now the flames they followed joan of arc
As she came riding through the dark;
No moon to keep her armour bright,
No man to get her through this very smoky night.
She said, I'm tired of the war,
I want the kind of work I had before,
A wedding dress or something white
To wear upon my swollen appetite.
Well, I'm glad to hear you talk this way,
You know I've watched you riding every day
And something in me yearns to win
Such a cold and lonesome heroine.
And who are you? she sternly spoke
To the one beneath the smoke.
Why, I'm fire, he replied,
And I love your solitude, I love your pride.
Then fire, make your body cold,
I'm going to give you mine to hold,
Saying this she climbed inside
To be his one, to be his only bride.
And deep into his fiery heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And high above the wedding guests
He hung the ashes of her wedding dress.
It was deep into his fiery heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And then she clearly understood
If he was fire, oh then she must be wood.
I saw her wince, I saw her cry,
I saw the glory in her eye.
Myself I long for love and light,
But must it come so cruel, and oh so bright?
Janice
> On Apr 3, 11:47 pm, Janice <jan...@dixoncreekstudio.com> wrote:
> > Series of Dreams
>
> > But if I were *really* going to do it, I would do it to Cohen's Joan
> > of Arc.
>
> Omg, please tell me that you wouldn't set yourself on fire. Isn't that
> like that worst way to die? (not sure)
>
No, of course not.
I would listen to Cohen's Joan of Arc to convince myself I was being
heroic and beautiful.
Which is the antithesis of suicide, a wilfull and destructive act of
lovelessness.
dudley had the best (real) answer with Hollis Brown -- a dreadful
story of despair with a dreadful ending.
~`~
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The strangest and most fantastic fact about negative emotions is that
people actually worship them.
--P.D. Ouspensky