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Ray Gooch in Chronicles - anyone heard of him?

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Dr. Wu

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Sep 30, 2004, 3:24:24 PM9/30/04
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I just finished Chronicles, and it's amazing and maddening and a lot
of things. In the Greenwich Village circa 1961-62 section, he goes on
and on about a friend named Ray Gooch whose flat he stayed at. Ive
read most of the major biographies and searched the Web and cant find
a single mention ever of Ray Gooch. Has anyone heard of him and if so
where?
Thanks.

Wanja

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Oct 2, 2004, 4:47:19 AM10/2/04
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Never heard of him, either. But beside that, isn't it beautilful how Dylan writes?
I am very happy about that. I was afraid it would be some text like Tarantulla. It's
far from that. It's like he sits down and without hurry tells you his story and
foremost his thoughts. Feels like he's honest to the listener and tells him important
things, details you want to know to understand him better, why and how things
happend. The most impressive is his "trust in fate" or how shall I call it, that
shines here and there through the words...

Wanja


Mark Eastman

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Oct 5, 2004, 2:23:09 AM10/5/04
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I never heard of Ray Gooch...but as a University of Chicago student who went
with Dylan to NYC in Feb of 1961...along with a couple of other friends I do
remember a middle aged couple named the Mackenzies who lived on 28 St. in
Manhattan who gave Bob a bed in their small apartment for several months.
About once a month Eve Mackenzie would host a folk song Sunday dinner in the
apartment....Dylan and others would swap songs. These events were so great
that my friends and I would hitch from Chicago to NYC just to be there.
Wonderful memories.

Mark
Danville CA
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Oct 5, 2004, 10:24:32 AM10/5/04
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"Mark Eastman" <psych...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I never heard of Ray Gooch...but as a University of Chicago student who went
>with Dylan to NYC in Feb of 1961...along with a couple of other friends I do
>remember a middle aged couple named the Mackenzies who lived on 28 St. in
>Manhattan who gave Bob a bed in their small apartment for several months.
>About once a month Eve Mackenzie would host a folk song Sunday dinner in the
>apartment....Dylan and others would swap songs. These events were so great
>that my friends and I would hitch from Chicago to NYC just to be there.
>Wonderful memories.
>

Welcome, Mark (if you're new here), and thanks for adding your comments.

Dylan's Feb (or Jan) '61 trip to NYC would have been his first... Can you
estimate a more precise date? Were you still attending classes at Chicago?
Do you play guitar?

Can you recall any names of the others in the car?

I have a not-very-good recording of Dylan playing at the Mackenzie's. Would
you like a copy?


TIA
Dean Chambers
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Lone Pilgrim

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Oct 5, 2004, 5:12:27 PM10/5/04
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"Wanja" <holzn...@compuserve.de> wrote in message news:<cjlqho$iif$1...@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>...

> Never heard of him, either. But beside that, isn't it beautilful how Dylan writes?
> I am very happy about that. I was afraid it would be some text like Tarantulla. It's
> far from that.

This describes my feelings, as well. It reads very much like a novel
- like tarantulla is 'described' as, but Chronicles is coherent and
thoughtful, filled with imagery, like the "blazing secretary soaked up
in the spirit of something", across the street from an office he was
sitting in that he wishes he had a telescope to see - in the middle of
answering mundane questions. I would almost call it
'impressionistic', like he's giving form - but not too much - to
images he's recalling in his minds eye and memory. Tarantulla, when I
attempt to read it, which I've gamely done several times, feels like
he's trying to prove his 'hipness', like he's trying to outdo the
Beats at their own game. It's 'forced'. Chronicles feels like he's
got nothing to prove, or he's past that need, and can now just write
the way he writes. The details and the language carry me into what he
was experiencing. It's beyond just being a "memoir". All the talk
about "writing something people can't misinterpret", who cares? He's
really written a beautiful book.

Pilgrim

tom .

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Oct 5, 2004, 7:53:43 PM10/5/04
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>>Never heard of him, either. But beside that, isn't it beautilful how Dylan writes?
>>I am very happy about that. I was afraid it would be some text like Tarantulla. It's
>>far from that.

> This describes my feelings, as well. It reads very much like a novel
> - like tarantulla is 'described' as, but Chronicles is coherent and
> thoughtful, filled with imagery, like the "blazing secretary soaked up
> in the spirit of something", across the street from an office he was
> sitting in that he wishes he had a telescope to see - in the middle of
> answering mundane questions. I would almost call it
> 'impressionistic', like he's giving form - but not too much - to
> images he's recalling in his minds eye and memory.


the secretary is definitely fiction.

not an image recalled from his mind's eye or memory.

which is fine, i guess.

but let's call a spade a spade.

it reads very much like a novel in parts because that's what it is in parts.

.


Robert dudley Dickinson

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Oct 12, 2004, 9:04:13 PM10/12/04
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"Dr. Wu" <dokto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thank you.

& thanks to my lovely interning research assistant, Mea Culpa.:

>
Raymond Gooch.
"Hero Off the Gridiron : Raymond Gooch" p. 42-43 in True
Comics, no. 11 (Apr. 1942)
1. Gooch, Raymond--Comic books, strips, etc. I. Raymond
Gooch. Call no.: PN6728.1.P3T7no.11
>

Cover art at:

http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/display.cfm?TitleID=66&Format=gif&Div
isionNumber=11

Tricia J

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Oct 13, 2004, 12:15:36 AM10/13/04
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When I read that I wondered if it could be a pseudonym for Ray
Bremser?

Slikpoetsongs

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Oct 14, 2004, 1:50:01 AM10/14/04
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FROM WHAT I GATHER HE MUST'VE BEEN A PROMISING NEVER WAS

frinjdwelr

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Oct 14, 2004, 10:57:11 PM10/14/04
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"Tricia J" <tric...@aardvark.net.au> wrote in message
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Except wasn't he from New Jersey, not the south?

Maybe it's a composite of several people. Or maybe he's related to Sergei
Petrov.


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