Rock & Roll HOF Nominees

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

The list of nominees for this year's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
Inductions have leaked out:

01. Albert King
02. The Meters
03. The Marvelettes
04. Procol Harum
05. Randy Newman
06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
07. Donna Summer
08. Rush
09. Heart
10. Deep Purple
11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
12. Kraftwerk
13. Chic
14. Public Enemy
15. N.W.A.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Vote for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees
The top five artists chosen by you will comprise a fan's ballot

By Rolling Stone
October 4, 2012 12:15 AM ET

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2013-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20121004


The nominees for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are in, and, for
the first time, fans get to vote alongside the artists, historians and
music industry insiders of the Rock Hall voting body. From now until
December 5th, you can vote right here for the nominees you'd like to
see inducted. Pick up to five acts – the top five vote-getters will
comprise a "fan's ballot" that will count as one of the more than 600
ballots that determine the Class of 2013. The results will be
announced in mid-December.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

I just voted for these 5.

02. The Meters
07. Donna Summer
10. Deep Purple

14. Public Enemy
15. N.W.A.

So far Rush is winning the fan voting easily.

[BobbyM]

Randy Newman gets in for sure & probably Heart. From your list Deep
Purple for sure, Donna Summer with the sympathy vote (provided they let
2 female acts in) & Public Enemy (one token rap group per year).

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

My prediction is....

The Meters
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
Public Enemy
Randy Newman

[BobbyM]

Public Enemy should get in provided that clock dude didn't take away too
much of their cred with those silly ass reality shows.

> Randy Newman

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

You mean the one who looks like a turd with teeth?

[M. Rick]

Where's Spinal Tap?

[Dean F.]

On Oct 4, 2:07 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Public Enemy should get in provided that clock dude didn't take away too
> much of their cred with those silly ass reality shows.

I wonder if NWA will ever be so much as nominated? After all, ex-
member Ice-T has spent the last 12 years co-starring in "Law & Order:
Special Victims Unit" as not only a cop, but a right-wing cop.

[M. Rick]

> I wonder if NWA will ever be so much as nominated? After all, ex-member Ice-T has spent the last 12 years co-starring in "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" as not only a cop, but a right-wing cop.

I think you're confusing T with Cube.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 4, 2:57 am, "Dean F." <soulexpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2:07 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Public Enemy should get in provided that clock dude didn't take away too
> > much of their cred with those silly ass reality shows.
>
> I wonder if NWA will ever be so much as nominated?

They're nominated this year.

[Eric Ramon]

On Oct 3, 10:16 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Vote for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees
> The top five artists chosen by you will comprise a fan's ballot
>
> By Rolling Stone
> October 4, 2012 12:15 AM ET
>

>

>Pick up to five acts – the top five vote-getters will
> comprise a "fan's ballot" that will count as one of the more than 600
> ballots that determine the Class of 2013.

so if I'm reading this correctly, 50,000 fans (my estimate) will vote
for a top 5 and that list, that top 5, will comprise approximately
0.17% of the tally. Well thanks for involving us, Rolling Stone!

[BobbyM]

That's the one, Flavor Flav, I believe.

[Just Kidding]

So you're "Bloomfield Buddy" and you didn't vote for the Butterfield
Blues Band? They probably won't make the cut, but they certainly
should. Many credit BBB, and particularly Bloomfield, with being the
inspiration for the San Francisco sound that began in the mid-60's.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

It'll be a lot more than 50,000. I predict it will be over a million
easy.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 9:46 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:23:03 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>

> <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I just voted for these 5.
>
> >02. The Meters
> >07. Donna Summer
> >10. Deep Purple
> >14. Public Enemy
> >15. N.W.A.
>
> >So far Rush is winning the fan voting easily.
>
> So you're "Bloomfield Buddy" and you didn't vote for the Butterfield
> Blues Band? They probably won't make the cut, but they certainly
> should. Many credit BBB, and particularly Bloomfield, with being the
> inspiration for the San Francisco sound that began in the mid-60's.

They are not even close to being as significant as any of the acts
that I voted for. I'm not very interested in blues by white people
anyway. Don't think I've ever heard anything by the Paul Butterfield
Blues Band.

[Just Kidding]

I find it hard to believe that you never heard East/West. And are you
aware that half the BBB was black? Did you know that Jerome Arnold and
Sam Lay both were long-time members of Howlin' Wolf's band? Are you
interested in jazz by white people? Or do you simply dismiss jazz
musicians like Brubeck, Charlie Haden, Bill Evans, Brad Mehldau, Gerry
Mulligan, Joe Pass, Gene Krupa, Bill Frisell, Benny Goodman, etc.?

You're also being disingenous when you say you're not interested in
blues by white people. Have you looked at your own annual favorite
recordings lists? Loaded with white musicians who play the blues or
strongly blues influenced music, among them The Rolling Stones, Cream,
Canned Heat, Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan, The Animals, The Yardbirds, The
Righteous Brothers, Big Brother & The Holding Co., Spencer Davis
Group, and even Bloomfield/Kooper.

[Eric Ramon]

On Oct 4, 7:21 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:

and the results from that million will be as important to the final
decision as a single ballot from some Joe Schmo rock critic that met
Jann Wenner at a dinner party.

[Taliesyn]

The Bloomfield Buddy <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in news:0d3cc6cf-7194-
43fd-bdcf-e...@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

Where's Tom Northcott?

Heck, I'm just kidding. Outside of a handful of songs from a couple of
these artists, I really couldn't care less about their HOH. I think each of
us have our own HOH, and that's what really matters.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 4, 2:11 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Buddy <savo...@verizon.net> wrote in news:0d3cc6cf-7194-
> 43fd-bdcf-e622f0b63...@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

>
>
>
>
>
> > The list of nominees for this year's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
> > Inductions have leaked out:
>
> > 01. Albert King
> > 02. The Meters
> > 03. The Marvelettes
> > 04. Procol Harum
> > 05. Randy Newman
> > 06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
> > 07. Donna Summer
> > 08. Rush
> > 09. Heart
> > 10. Deep Purple
> > 11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
> > 12. Kraftwerk
> > 13. Chic
> > 14. Public Enemy
> > 15. N.W.A.
>
> Where's Tom Northcott?
>
> Heck, I'm just kidding. Outside of a handful of songs from a couple of
> these artists, I really couldn't care less about their HOH. I think each of
> us have our own HOH, and that's what really matters.

I'm sure Northcott is thrilled to be in your hall of fame....JACKASS.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Here's the fan voting so far:

Rush 27.51%
Deep Purple 16.04%
Heart 13.17%
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts 7.92%
Albert King 5.73%
Public Enemy 4.83%
Donna Summer 4.43%
N.W.A 3.37%
Procol Harum 3.33%
Randy Newman 3.23%
Kraftwerk 3.08%
The Meters 2.32%
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 2.27%
The Marvelettes 1.65%
Chic 1.11%

[icn...@gmail.com]

It's super that Rush is being nominated, that's progress, and speaking of *progress*, it's time for other *progressive* bands to be nominated... bands such as Yes, Genesis, ELP and King Crimson should have been nominated a LONG time ago!

[Taliesyn]

The Bloomfield Buddy <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in

news:a877e3e5-45ef-4f08...@h4g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:

About as thrilled as sitting between Kraftwaerk and Chic on list.

[Taliesyn]

The Bloomfield Buddy <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in news:222d3b1a-e34f-
4261-8e06-d...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

I love a good horse race -- at the other end! Can't wait for a daily update
of the least popular artist.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 4, 3:46 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Buddy <savo...@verizon.net> wrote in news:222d3b1a-e34f-
> 4261-8e06-d28f324d1...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>
>
>
>
>
> > Here's the fan voting so far:
>
> > Rush  27.51%
> > Deep Purple  16.04%
> > Heart  13.17%
> > Joan Jett and the Blackhearts  7.92%
> > Albert King  5.73%
> > Public Enemy  4.83%
> > Donna Summer  4.43%
> > N.W.A  3.37%
> > Procol Harum  3.33%
> > Randy Newman  3.23%
> > Kraftwerk  3.08%
> > The Meters  2.32%
> > The Paul Butterfield Blues Band  2.27%
> > The Marvelettes  1.65%
> > Chic  1.11%
>
> I love a good horse race -- at the other end! Can't wait for a daily update
> of the least popular artist.

No need to wait, just look at your list of favorites.

[Taliesyn]

The Bloomfield Buddy <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in

news:87a128b7-d4a4-4956...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

And the HOH nominates an artist (Chic) currently rejected by 99% of the
fan vote. That means Chic got only 1% more votes than Northcott --- and
he's not even there!!!!! ROFL!!!

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 4, 4:11 pm, Taliesyn <talies...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> And the HOH nominates an artist (Chic) currently rejected by 99% of the
> fan vote. That means Chic got only 1% more votes than Northcott --- and
> he's not even there!!!!! ROFL!!!

Tom Northcott would give his right nut to be as popular and as
historically significant as Chic.......and despite the fan vote, which
counts as a whopping 1/600 of the overall vote, Chic could very well
be inducted this year.

[Taliesyn]

The Bloomfield Buddy <sav...@verizon.net> wrote in news:7a96ee51-78e3-
46fe-a886-5...@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

Le Freak!

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 4, 8:46 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:23:03 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>

> <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I just voted for these 5.
>
> >02. The Meters
> >07. Donna Summer
> >10. Deep Purple
> >14. Public Enemy
> >15. N.W.A.
>
> >So far Rush is winning the fan voting easily.
>
> So you're "Bloomfield Buddy" and you didn't vote for the Butterfield
> Blues Band? They probably won't make the cut, but they certainly
> should. Many credit BBB, and particularly Bloomfield, with being the
> inspiration for the San Francisco sound that began in the mid-60's.
>

Not as in Mike, but as in New Jersey. Near East Orange.

Nothing blaxploitative about BBB so interest around some quarters is
minimal, I suppose.

Screw sales figures; on my scorecard, I'd nominate the 5 artists that
most impacted popular music:

Butterfield Blues Band
Public Enemy
NWA
Kraftwerk
Randy Newman

Rush and Deep Purple? A whiter shade of pale, forever in the creative
shadow of prog progenitor Procol Harum, IMHO, a pick for next year.

And the The Meters? Cissy struttin', y'all; they shoulda' been in ten
years ago...

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

I suggest that you don't know very much about popular music if you
think that it was impacted more by the Butterfield band than by Donna
Summer.

[Just Kidding]

Anybody still playin' disco?

[crazytimes]

On Oct 4, 4:46 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:

Heart, Deep Purple, and Rush seem like shoo-ins... I'm surprised Tom
Petty is in there but Steve Miller isn't...

If NWA get in, someone has to say their name out loud from the
podium... Do they have the guts for that?...

I suspected there was something wrong with the RRHOF when Gene Vincent
was shut out for many many years...

[BobbyM]

Northcott may not be there but a Canadian group is leading the pack
right now. I hope Rush doesn't get in; the best song Geddy Lee ever did
was not with Rush, but with Bob & Doug McKenzie.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 6:06 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Anybody still playin' disco?

A lot more people are playing disco than are plating Paul Butterfield.

LAST.FM STATS

Donna Summer - 4,599,955 scrobbles 606,082 listeners

Paul Butterfield - 618,982 scrobbles 91,435 listeners

Summer has almost 7 times as many people listening to her stuff and
over 7 times as many total plays. And that's just one disco artist.

[hislop]

On 4/10/2012 2:52 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> The list of nominees for this year's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
> Inductions have leaked out:
>
> 01. Albert King
> 02. The Meters
> 03. The Marvelettes
> 04. Procol Harum
> 05. Randy Newman
> 06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
> 07. Donna Summer
> 08. Rush
> 09. Heart
> 10. Deep Purple

> 11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
> 12. Kraftwerk
> 13. Chic

> 14. Public Enemy
> 15. N.W.A.
>

For Americans by Americans

[BobbyM]

4 of the nominees are non-US; 3 of those are non-North American. Accept
it or not, but not a lot of Australian r&r made it off that continent,
except to neighboring New Zealand.

[hislop]

So?
No, of course not many made it. But the discussions on this are largely
foreign.
N.W.A. and Public Enemy? You had to be there.
Who are Rush?

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 4, 8:34 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Donna Summer's biggest accomplishment is selling lots of records. In
market culture, that's all that counts, so for that, you're right. But
where is her artistic impact? Bootsy's got more impact in his left
shoe. FWIW the Butterfield Blues Band influenced generations of
musicians to come (including Bob here) many of whom still use their
first two albums as original sources.

Still, when it comes to disco artists, I'll take Gloria Gaynor (whose
biggest hit "I Will Survive" is still anthemic) or Anita Ward to ring
my bell any day.

But please tell me: Why do you have to be so rude to everyone?

I mean this shit we talk about is just music, man.

One of your trombones turn up missing in the big parade?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Yes, that's where rock and roll started.

There's 4 non-USA acts on that list anyhow.

[BobbyM]

N.W.A. & Public Enemy are both highly influential rap groups.

Rush is a Canadian band that I can best describe as a mix of heavy metal
& prog; basically an albums band with some minor Billboard singles chart
success but only that even got close to top 20. I don't care for them
at all & I find the lead singer's voice annoying. If you've ever heard
the song, "Take Off", a novelty song by Bob & Doug McKenzie (a top 20
hit in the early 80's), the lead singer of Rush (Geddy Lee) handles the
vocal in between the talking of the 2 lead characters - I do like that song.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 4, 10:25 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rush is a Canadian band that I can best describe as a mix of heavy metal
> & prog; basically an albums band with some minor Billboard singles chart
> success but only that even got close to top 20.  I don't care for them
> at all & I find the lead singer's voice annoying.  If you've ever heard
> the song, "Take Off", a novelty song by Bob & Doug McKenzie (a top 20
> hit in the early 80's), the lead singer of Rush (Geddy Lee) handles the
> vocal in between the talking of the 2 lead characters - I do like that song.

I don't like Rush either, but through 1993 they already had 20 chart
albums in the USA. all of which were at least gold, with most of them
being platinum. Eight of them were top ten on the USA charts.

[Dean F.]

On Oct 4, 3:08 am, The Bloomfield Buddy <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > I wonder if NWA will ever be so much as nominated?
>
> They're nominated this year.

Glad to hear it!

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 10:12 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Donna Summer's biggest accomplishment is selling lots of records.

Apparently you know little about Donna Summer and the evolution of
dance music, Her record "I Fell Love" is one of the most influential
records in history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Feel_Love

"I Feel Love" is a song by Donna Summer, taken from her 1977 concept
album I Remember Yesterday.

The song constituted the "future" segment of the album, which
represented a stylistic progress through time. The title track of the
I Remember Yesterday album represented the 1940s, "Love's Unkind" the
1950s, "Back in Love Again" the 1960s and the album concluded with the
futuristic "I Feel Love". The song reached number one in the UK
Singles Chart, number six on the Billboard Hot 100 in the US and
number nine on the Hot Soul Chart. It quickly became popular in gay
dance clubs and was adopted as a gay anthem. "I Feel Love" is ranked
#418 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All
Time. "I Feel Love" was added to the National Recording Registry in
2012.

Before "I Feel Love", most disco recordings had been backed by
acoustic orchestras although all-electronic music had been produced
for decades. Giorgio Moroder's innovative production of this disco-
style song, recorded with an entirely synthesized backing track,
spawned imitators in the disco genre, and was influential in the
development of techno.

According to David Bowie, then in the middle of recording of his
Berlin Trilogy with Brian Eno, its impact on the genre's direction was
recognized early on:

"One day in Berlin ... Eno came running in and said, 'I have heard the
sound of the future.' ... he puts on 'I Feel Love', by Donna
Summer ... He said, 'This is it, look no further. This single is going
to change the sound of club music for the next fifteen years.' Which
was more or less right."

The album version lasts for almost six minutes. It was extended for
release as a 12" maxi-single, the eight-minute version included on the
1989 compilation The Dance Collection: A Compilation of Twelve Inch
Singles. The song was slightly edited on the 7" format, the fade-in
opening sound reaching maximum volume sooner. A version which fades
out at 3:45, before the third verse and final choruses, has been
included on a large number of greatest hits packages and other
compilations issued by PolyGram, Mercury Records, Universal Music and
others, such as 1994's Endless Summer: Greatest Hits and 2003's The
Journey: The Very Best of Donna Summer.

In 2004, Rolling Stone ranked "I Feel Love" #418 on their list of the
500 Greatest Songs of All Time. The review for the song stated that
Moroder and Summer "claimed tomorrow in the name of disco."

Following the track's success, within months Summer and Moroder
produced the 11-minute "Now I Need You"/"Working the Midnight Shift"
sequence on Summer's 1977 double album Once Upon a Time, which
successfully builds on "I Feel Love"'s pioneering ethereal vocals,
mechanised beats, sequenced arpeggios and ostinato basslines.

[Michael Pendragon]

Never heard of either one of 'em.

[hislop]

You can be interested in this because it's important about rock or
you can believe that it's important because it's American. I can give
or take the second.
You can say all you like but the definitive importance of this is
limited. Internationally it just isn't that singularly important.
non-USA acts that are very well known in the US, why point that out.

In Australia we have had people like Billy Thorpe, a massive part of
rock history, it just isn't possible to care about the less well known
acts Americans know about. Billy Thorpe help to develop pub rock at the
start of the 70s, amongst other things, that AC/DC came out of.

Are AC/DC in the RRHF or INXS? Surely better known than some of these.

[BobbyM]

AC/DC has been in for a long time. I wouldn't hold my breath on INXS;
the sympathy vote has long since passed. Billy Thorpe was big down
under but he didn't raise a blip on anybody's radar north of the equator.

How many records does one have to sell to have a gold record or its
equivalent in Australia?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Oct 5, 1:15 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> AC/DC has been in for a long time.

As have the Bee Gees.

[BobbyM]

I would guess the Bee Gees consider themselves a Brit band rather than
Aussie. Although they had their first taste of success in Australia,
they were born in the UK and were there when they hit it big
internationally.

[M. Rick]

>I'm not very interested in blues by white people anyway.

How about by white English dogs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFRiaszvB8Y

[M. Rick]

Poisoned Rose always comes up smelling like Charlie The Tuna -- such
good taste!

[M. Rick]

> You can be interested in this because it's important about rock or you can believe that it's important because it's American.  I can give or take the second.

The only importance is that is makes the inductees and their most
loyal fans feel good, and perhaps gives a temporary boost in sales. I
don't think anyone is going to give Kiss or Rush more attention
whether they are in or out of the hall.

[M. Rick]

Donna Summer sang more than disco, but the good ol’ boys who run the
hall still resent disco’s popularity. An equally glaring omission is
Linda Ronstadt. Apparently Linda slept with the wrong boys in the
hall.

[gemjack]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:12:47 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"
<kens...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Oct 4, 8:34 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 6:06 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Anybody still playin' disco?
>>
>> A lot more people are playing disco than are plating Paul Butterfield.
>>
>> LAST.FM STATS
>>
>> Donna Summer - 4,599,955 scrobbles  606,082 listeners
>>
>> Paul Butterfield - 618,982 scrobbles  91,435 listeners
>>
>> Summer has almost 7 times as many people listening to her stuff and
>> over 7 times as many total plays. And that's just one disco artist.
>>
>Donna Summer's biggest accomplishment is selling lots of records. In
>market culture, that's all that counts, so for that, you're right. But
>where is her artistic impact? Bootsy's got more impact in his left
>shoe. FWIW the Butterfield Blues Band influenced generations of
>musicians to come (including Bob here) many of whom still use their
>first two albums as original sources.

Generally, anyone that places Summer's work above that of BBB lets
someone else do their thinking for them. Most people probably fall
into that category.
-gj

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Sampson's Annual Hall Of Fame Analysis:

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2013.html

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 7:22 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Out of all the eligible artists I collect myself, I thought Randy Newman
> was the #1 most deserving of induction.

Sampson's analysis has him as the least desering of the candidtaes:

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2013.html

Randy Newman
A second nomination for the enigmatic singer/songwriter whose most
lasting contribution to music as a whole comes from his decidedly non-
rock film scores over the years many of which were brilliant and even
won him an Oscar. His forays into commercial releases as an artist
however occupy a very tiny niche, largely unsuccessful despite their
lyrical wit and melodic inventiveness. Undoubtedly his supporters
among the nominating committee looking to justify his candidacy would
point to his songwriting reputation, as they also did with the even
more undeserving Leonard Cohen and Laura Nyro, along with the equally
idiosyncratic Tom Waits, but in all four cases if outside
contributions as a writer are his most lasting legacy to rock it's
clearly not enough to warrant repeated looks by the Hall. These types
of quirky outsiders seem clearly designed to offset the committee's
reputed lack of enthusiasm for the more recent dominant candidates
from styles outside their comfort zone. Would it be a stretch to
suggest that they are even offered up to draw votes away from those
more polarizing figures from the rap realm by the aging voting body
members who share their discomfort with the directions rock 'n' roll
has taken? Is that too drastic a conspiracy theory for your gentle
minds to handle? Hmmm, well consider that Nyro's dubious election
denied the far more deserving Eric B. & Rakim last year, while Waits
presence bumped L.L. Cool J in 2010, and Cohen was deemed a suitable
alternative for the decaying fossils on with a ballot so they did not
have to have to vote for somebody named Afrika Bambaataa back in '08,
who undoubtedly would’ve frightened them half to death. Will Newman do
the same to the next candidate listed here this year?

N.W.A

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 9:46 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:23:03 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy

>
> <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I just voted for these 5.
>
> >02. The Meters
> >07. Donna Summer
> >10. Deep Purple

> >14. Public Enemy
> >15. N.W.A.
>

> >So far Rush is winning the fan voting easily.
>
> So you're "Bloomfield Buddy" and you didn't vote for the Butterfield
> Blues Band? They probably won't make the cut, but they certainly
> should. Many credit BBB, and particularly Bloomfield, with being the
> inspiration for the San Francisco sound that began in the mid-60's.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Long a favorite of the ubiquitous Rolling Stone magazine kingpin Jann
Wenner, whose absence on the committee itself belies the overall
control over the Hall he has, no matter what official denials are
issued. Not surprisingly they are a 60's guitar oriented band with a
connection to one of Wenner's all-time idols, Bob Dylan. Their own
candidacy however comes up short in any objective measure, despite
their undeniable talent as musicians. Halls of Fame are about
achievement, not potential, and they didn't live up to it in terms of
success or influence. Those two criteria are, by nature, not
overlapping, though plenty of artists have both. Lots of popular bands
were derivative and thus have no influence to speak of, while many
without commercial success were highly inventive and have influence to
spare. They have very little in both. Furthermore, if they're being
judged as a blues outfit, which might be what they would want, there
are far more important blues acts remaining, even though blues itself
is a major genre untied to rock and therefore any artist with both
feet in the blues is a questionable nomination to begin with. If
they're being seen in a purely rock context then they simply didn't do
nearly enough to make their mark on the scene. Simply being chosen to
back Bob Dylan on stage when he first went electric is a rock
footnote, not an achievement in of itself, yet that more likely than
not is primarily the reason they're being nominated yet again. They
released some good material, were a breeding ground for great
guitarists, but what their career amount to in tangible achievement
isn't enough for even a lone appearance on the ballot, let alone two.

Qualifications: 4

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 5, 11:07 am, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Forgot this part.

QUALIFICATIONS - 2

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 5, 7:40 am, gemjack <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Generally, anyone that places Summer's work above that of BBB lets
> someone else do their thinking for them.  Most people probably fall
> into that category.

Sampson disagres with you:

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2013.html

Donna Summer
Will one of the Hall's most disgraceful omissions finally come to an
end a year too late, as the Queen of Disco passed away this past
spring, having seen her name appear on the Hall of Fame's ballot four
of the last five years, only to see her passed over for inferior
candidates that better suit the voting body's narrow field of vision.
There's no area of an objective summation of an artist's career that
Summer doesn't excel in. Her commercial success is astounding, only
fifteen percent of current HOF main performer inductees have done
better on the singles chart than Summer. Her influence is substantial,
from the relentless churning drive of her backing tracks to the glassy
vocals that were the hallmark of her sound. More than anything though
is the way she totally defined the most dominant form of rock that
existed in the late 70's/early 80's, a remarkably long period, albeit
one that had harsh critics. Therein lies the problem and the poor
excuse for keeping her out of the Hall during her lifetime - personal
taste. Disco, love it or loathe it, was indisputably the most popular
and influential style on the planet for nearly a decade and to ignore
that large a segment of rock for so long is unconscionable for an
institution that is designed to objectively celebrate rock's entire
history by rewarding its most vital performers. In recent years, while
she had to cruelly wait for her ticket to be punched during her
lifetime which now has ended far too soon, the Hall has inducted a
parade of minor cult figures beloved by their small clique of
likeminded critics while dismissing Summer's monumental achievements
out of hand. This brand of elitism has resulted in a Hall of Fame that
rewards the connected at the expense of those who are actually, well
you know, famous for the very music the Hall is built upon. It's
tragic that Summer's death, and Elton John's subsequent public plea
for her enshrinement, might be the impetus needed to put her in too
late for her to celebrate it.

Qualifications: 7

[gemjack]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
<sav...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Oct 5, 7:40�am, gemjack <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Generally, anyone that places Summer's work above that of BBB lets
>> someone else do their thinking for them. �Most people probably fall
>> into that category.
>
>Sampson disagres with you:

Who? He/she is allowed their opinion of course. It's of no interest
to me.

>
>http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2013.html
>
>Paul Butterfield Blues Band

>Qualifications: 4
>
>
>Donna Summer

>
>Qualifications: 7

You and this person seem to share the concept of chart positions equal
better material, and often that is the case I guess. I personally
have never cared a bit for award shows, rating songs, having lists, or
how a song or album charts. To each their own. The R&RHOF means
nothing to me. Though it is good to see some of the performances.
-gj

[M. Rick]

> Generally, anyone that places Summer's work above that of BBB lets someone else do their thinking for them. Most people probably fall into that category.

You couldn't possibly be guilty of that yourself with your own
evaluation (assuming it's an actual evaluation).

[gemjack]

Couldn't not possibly not be.
-gj

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 5, 10:37 am, gemjack <geminijackso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>

I guess all you have to do is sell lots of records and they call it
achievement.

Welcome to the United States of Mediocrity, where all culture is
commercially turned into soporifics.

By this logic, Glen Campbell would beat the pants off Woody Guthrie in
voting because he sold way more records.

Besides, for a sonic timeline, I'll take Ralph McDonald's The Path
over some disco concept album any day...

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 5, 1:10 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> By this logic, Glen Campbell would beat the pants off Woody Guthrie in
> voting because he sold way more records.

And he should. Campbell is an all time great.

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 5, 12:32 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:

Yes he is. But his great accomplishments were big-time sales and a
smiling TV face. Woody's contributions are/were far greater and more
profound.

But while we're on the blues, I don't see John Mayall and/or The
Bluesbreakers on the HOF roster either. Yet we see The Yardbirds.

Nor do we see Mike Bloomfield or Al Kooper, nor any of their band
incarnations, the very guys who helped give Bob his electric sound.

I guess it's their beneficiaries that reap the accolade while the
underlying contributions of these pioneers to the developing cultural
commodity known as rock and roll goes relatively unnoticed.

Donna Summers? What kind of museum are you talking about again?

[Just Kidding]

I have no idea who wrote this, but the only thing he says that has any
merit is that BBB didn't achieve great commercial success. When it
comes to being influential, he ignores the fact that BBB was one of
the prime movers in introducing black urban blues to white audiences,
nto to mention being one of the first integrated blues bands of the
time. They were also among the first to successfully meld the
influences of blues, jazz and rock. East- West was a groundbreaking
song that added eastern raga to the mix and paved the way for the
psychedelic jam scene in San Francisco. Bloomfield was perhaps the
first of the 60's rock guitar heroes and he inspired guitarists like
Jerry Garcia, Duane Allman, Jorma Kaukonen, Carlos Santana, Jeff Beck,
Eric Clapton and many others.

What was it you said Donna Summers did? Sure, her records may have had
some interesting (for disco) production values, but do you really
think she had all that much to do with the music behind the songs she
sang?

[Just Kidding]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
<sav...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Oct 4, 7:22 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>>
>> Out of all the eligible artists I collect myself, I thought Randy Newman
>> was the #1 most deserving of induction.
>
>Sampson's analysis has him as the least desering of the candidtaes:

Who is this Sampson schmuck, anyway?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 5, 2:23 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 12:32 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
> wrote:> On Oct 5, 1:10 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > By this logic, Glen Campbell would beat the pants off Woody Guthrie in
> > > voting because he sold way more records.
>
> > And he should. Campbell is an all time great.
>
> Yes he is. But his great accomplishments were big-time sales and a
> smiling TV face. Woody's contributions are/were far greater and more
> profound.

Not in my opinion they aren't.

> But while we're on the blues, I don't see John Mayall and/or The
> Bluesbreakers on the HOF roster either. Yet we see The Yardbirds.
>
> Nor do we see Mike Bloomfield or Al Kooper, nor any of their band
> incarnations, the very guys who helped give Bob his electric sound.
>
> I guess it's their beneficiaries that reap the accolade while the
> underlying contributions of these pioneers to the developing cultural
> commodity known as rock and roll goes relatively unnoticed.
>
> Donna Summers? What kind of museum are you talking about again?

It's Summer, jackass, not Summers.

And we're talking about the rock and roll hall of fame. Disco is a
very popular and significant subgenre of rock and roll. Just because
it sounds very different than the white guitar oriented part of rock
and roll that you prefer does not make it any less rock and roll.

"Hot Stuff" is much more rock and roll than shit like "Gotta Serve
Somebody" and "Hurricane" and "Lay, Lady, lay" other Dylan shit.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Whether she did or not is not relevant in my view, but as it happens,
she wrote or co-wrote most of her hits.

Disco was a much bigger subgenre of rock than was blues rock. It
dominated the charts for a decade, producing many number one songs and
huge hits.

And by the way, jackass, her name is Donna SUMMER, not Donna SUMMERS.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:07:54 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Bloviator
>

> <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Oct 4, 7:22 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> >> Out of all the eligible artists I collect myself, I thought Randy Newman
> >> was the #1 most deserving of induction.
>
> >Sampson's analysis has him as the least desering of the candidtaes:
>
> Who is this Sampson schmuck, anyway?

He's a guy who forgot more than any of you schmucks in this newsgroup
know about the entire history of rock and roll.

[Eric Ramon]

On Oct 3, 9:52 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The list of nominees for this year's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
> Inductions have leaked out:
>
> 01. Albert King
> 02. The Meters
> 03. The Marvelettes
> 04. Procol Harum
> 05. Randy Newman
> 06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
> 07. Donna Summer
> 08. Rush
> 09. Heart
> 10. Deep Purple
> 11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
> 12. Kraftwerk
> 13. Chic

> 14. Public Enemy
> 15. N.W.A.

I would have liked to have seen the Zombies on the list but it doesn't
matter. I stopped thinking this was important somewhere in the late
90s.

[Taliesyn]

Eric Ramon <ramon...@gmail.com> wrote in news:9f306636-bc59-4bd4-b8f9-
f3297e...@q5g2000pbk.googlegroups.com:

Bingo!

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 5, 2:42 pm, The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>

> "Hot Stuff" is much more rock and roll than shit like "Gotta Serve
> Somebody" and "Hurricane" and "Lay, Lady, lay" other Dylan shit.
>

Not gonna' argue with you about that, but the kind of music folks on
my side of town were dancing to while you jackasses were daintily
moving to all of that was made by artist/syndicates like Funkadelic,
Parliament, Kool & the Gang, Marvin Gaye, Ohio Players, Bootsy, locals
galore and the like. No lights man. Sweat. Now that's party music for
the people who make the music for the rest of ya'!

After hours babe!

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

I wasn't dancing to either. I hated disco and disliked most funk in
those years. I was too busy discovering the greatest music of all time
then, 1950s rhythm and blues, rock and roll, and rockabilly.

But I did love "Jungle Boogie" in 1974.

[hislop]

On 5/10/2012 3:15 PM, BobbyM wrote:
> On 05-Oct-12 1:57 PM, hislop wrote:
>> On 5/10/2012 12:24 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 9:50 pm, hislop<takecarebew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> On 4/10/2012 2:52 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The list of nominees for this year's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
>>>>> Inductions have leaked out:
>>>>
>>>>> 01. Albert King
>>>>> 02. The Meters
>>>>> 03. The Marvelettes
>>>>> 04. Procol Harum
>>>>> 05. Randy Newman
>>>>> 06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
>>>>> 07. Donna Summer
>>>>> 08. Rush
>>>>> 09. Heart
>>>>> 10. Deep Purple
>>>>> 11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
>>>>> 12. Kraftwerk
>>>>> 13. Chic
>>>>> 14. Public Enemy
>>>>> 15. N.W.A.
>>>>

>>>> For Americans by Americans
>>>
>>> Yes, that's where rock and roll started.
>>>
>>> There's 4 non-USA acts on that list anyhow.

>>>
>>>
>>
>> You can be interested in this because it's important about rock or
>> you can believe that it's important because it's American. I can give
>> or take the second.

>> You can say all you like but the definitive importance of this is
>> limited. Internationally it just isn't that singularly important.
>> non-USA acts that are very well known in the US, why point that out.
>>
>> In Australia we have had people like Billy Thorpe, a massive part of
>> rock history, it just isn't possible to care about the less well known
>> acts Americans know about. Billy Thorpe help to develop pub rock at the
>> start of the 70s, amongst other things, that AC/DC came out of.
>>
>> Are AC/DC in the RRHF or INXS? Surely better known than some of these.
>
> AC/DC has been in for a long time. I wouldn't hold my breath on INXS;
> the sympathy vote has long since passed. Billy Thorpe was big down under
> but he didn't raise a blip on anybody's radar north of the equator.
>
> How many records does one have to sell to have a gold record or its
> equivalent in Australia?
>
>
>
It shows you how much I know about the RRHF.
My point was that Billy Thorpe was important to Australia, and hence the
RRHF isn't that important to Australia. You can have The Beatles, The
Young Rascals and The Mamas and Papas in there and we care, but if you
keep looking for more and more acts it matters less.

We have the Aria awards, but I don't know much about them.
The Seekers are still around now with the original members for example.
Recent high selling acts have little interest to me. I never actually
ultimately judge on record sales which is why I don't talk about them
much. History is too broad to care about that.

I looked on wikipedia:
Gold 35,000 'thresholds per award'
Platinum 40,000 'thresholds per award'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_recording_certifications

I tried to find the sales figures for Hot August Night for example, but
couldn't find any. It was at number one for 29 weeks, and would
certainly exceed platinum figures.

[hislop]

On 5/10/2012 3:53 PM, BobbyM wrote:
> On 05-Oct-12 2:39 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:

>> On Oct 5, 1:15 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> AC/DC has been in for a long time.
>>

>> As have the Bee Gees.
>
> I would guess the Bee Gees consider themselves a Brit band rather than
> Aussie. Although they had their first taste of success in Australia,
> they were born in the UK and were there when they hit it big
> internationally.
>
>

In a recent 60 Minutes interview with Barry Gibb, who is coming to
perform here soon, with a retrospective show with his family, they asked
him why they left Australia at that time.
He just said it was opportunity. They seemed to become ex-Australian
very quickly while other Australian acts overseas seemed to have a lot
of trouble.
They said the motivating factor to go overseas was the success of their
single Spicks and Specks in Australia in 1966.
I seem to remember that Andy Gibb stayed in Brisbane well into the 70s.

[hislop]

On 5/10/2012 3:53 PM, BobbyM wrote:
> On 05-Oct-12 2:39 PM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 1:15 am, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> AC/DC has been in for a long time.
>>
>> As have the Bee Gees.
>
> I would guess the Bee Gees consider themselves a Brit band rather than
> Aussie. Although they had their first taste of success in Australia,
> they were born in the UK and were there when they hit it big
> internationally.
>
>

Found this interesting info on wikpedia:
'At the urging of his brother Barry, Andy returned to Australia in 1974.
Barry believed that as Australia had been a good training ground for the
Bee Gees it would also help his youngest brother. The Gibb brothers'
sister Lesley, had remained in Australia where she had raised a family
with her husband. Both Alderson and Stringer followed Andy to Australia
with the hope of forming a band there. With Col Joye producing, Andy,
Alderson and Stringer recorded a number of Andy's compositions. What may
have detracted from the "training ground" aspect of Australia for Andy
compared to his brothers was that Andy was relatively independent
financially, mainly because of his brothers' support and their largesse,
hence the group's sporadic work rate. Andy would disappear for periods
of time, leaving Alderson and Stringer out of work with no income.
Despondent, Alderson and Stringer returned to the UK.'

[rwalker]

The Bloomfield Bovinator and Pissed-off Roach in the same thread? It's
the Apocalypse.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

ARTISTS WHO HAVE MADE THE FINAL NOMINEES LISTS ON THE ROCK AND ROLL
HALL OF FAME BALLOTS BUT HAVE NOT BEEN INDUCTED YET (1986-Present)

Ben E. King, Chuck Willis, Esther Phillips, Johnny Ace, Mary Wells,
Carole King, The Dominoes, The Meters, Joe Tex, Lou Reed, New York
Dolls, The "5" Royales, The Chantels, Gram Parsons, Chic, Kraftwerk,
MC5, Steve Winwood, Conway Twitty, The J. Geils Band, Randy Newman,
Cat Stevens, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Sir Douglas Quintet,
Afrika Bambaataa, Donna Summer, War, KISS, LL Cool J, Bon Jovi, The
Spinners, Heart, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts,
The Cure, Eric B. & Rakim

[Just Kidding]

Carole King is in as a songwriter (with Gerry Goffin), but not as a
performer. Since she also performed most if not all of her songs, I
don't understand why she wasn't inducted as both. Lou Reed is in with
the Velvets and probably should be in as a solo performer as well,
although it's a close call. As I've already made clear, I think the
BBB should be in. The only other notable omissions in this group would
be The Meters, Steve Winwood and Gram Parsons. Even though I have no
use for them, I suppose KISS should probably be in too.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 6, 9:56 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 23:00:38 -0700 (PDT), The Bloomfield Buddy
>

> <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >ARTISTS WHO HAVE MADE THE FINAL NOMINEES LISTS ON THE ROCK AND ROLL
> >HALL OF FAME BALLOTS BUT HAVE NOT BEEN INDUCTED YET (1986-Present)
>
> >Ben E. King, Chuck Willis, Esther Phillips, Johnny Ace, Mary Wells,
> >Carole King, The Dominoes, The Meters, Joe Tex, Lou Reed, New York
> >Dolls, The "5" Royales, The Chantels, Gram Parsons, Chic, Kraftwerk,
> >MC5, Steve Winwood, Conway Twitty, The J. Geils Band, Randy Newman,
> >Cat Stevens, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Sir Douglas Quintet,
> >Afrika Bambaataa, Donna Summer, War, KISS, LL Cool J, Bon Jovi, The
> >Spinners, Heart, Rufus with Chaka Khan, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts,
> >The Cure, Eric B. & Rakim
>
> Carole King is in as a songwriter (with Gerry Goffin), but not as a
> performer. Since she also performed most if not all of her songs, I
> don't understand why she wasn't inducted as both. Lou Reed is in with
> the Velvets and probably should be in as a solo performer as well,
> although it's a close call. As I've already made clear, I think the
> BBB should be in. The only other notable omissions in this group would
> be The Meters, Steve Winwood and Gram Parsons.

The most notable omissions from this list are the Dominoes, 5 Royales,
Johnny Ace, LL Cool J, Carole King, Bon Jovi and the Spinners.

[Just Kidding]

Why not just let everybody who ever put out a record in?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Because most acts who put a record out are not pimples on the asses of
legends like

the Dominoes, 5 Royales, Johnny Ace, LL Cool J, Carole King, Bon Jovi
and the Spinners.

The "5" Royales
One of the most influential artists of the 50's combining their gospel
roots with racy rhythm and blues to invent soul music and become one
of the most popular groups of its day. In Lowman Pauling they had one
of the first guitar legends in rock, while his work as a songwriter
for the group includes some of the most famous and oft-covered songs
in history, including "Think", "Tell The Truth" and "Dedicated To The
One I Love". Massive innovation and influence should've gotten them in
long ago but despite a few nominations they're still waiting to be
enshrined.

[Just Kidding]

You have a strange concept of what a "legend" is. Do you really
believe that Bon Jovi is a legend??

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 6, 3:17 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You have a strange concept of what a "legend" is. Do you really
> believe that Bon Jovi is a legend??

Yes. I guess you are not aware of the fact that as big as they have
been in the USA, they are much bigger in the UK, Japan, and other
parts of the world.

They have performed more than 2,700 concerts in over 50 countries for
more than 35 million fans.

Bon Jovi was inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2006. Jon Bon
Jovi and Richie Sambora inducted into Songwriters Hall of Fame in
2009.

[Just Kidding]

The Dave Matthews Band sells out everywhere they play, too. Are they
legends? How about Brittney Spears?

[chris]

lolololol....you made me spit out my coffee.........when mousekateers start making RRHF, it is truely the end of mankind...:-)

[Just Walkin']

On Oct 5, 2:55 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I guess all you have to do is sell lots of records and they call it
> > achievement.
>
> > Welcome to the United States of Mediocrity, where all culture is
> > commercially turned into soporifics.
>
> Discussing music with you is like discussing beautiful women with
> someone who shrugs off all names with "She craps in a toilet, just like
> anyone else."
>
> What a joy you are.
>
Hillary Swank is pretty hot, ain't she?

Looks just like my baby!

Glad to see your back, pr.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 6, 4:28 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The Dave Matthews Band sells out everywhere they play, too. Are they
> legends?

They haven't done it for 30 years in front of 35 million people. They
haven't had 10 number one albums in the UK and Japan.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Bon Jovi is the highest grossing live music act of this century.

[Just Kidding]

Cite please.

[M. Rick]

>Do you really believe that Bon Jovi is a legend??

I believe he's more of a legend than Bret Michaels. I'm less sure
about Vince Neil. Using the commonly accepted meanings of legend, a
modern artist is only called a legend if he reaches the top level of
respect among his peers. That's not the case with Bon Jovi. Nobody
is going to put Bon Jovi in the same "legend" league as Springsteen,
who is probably short of legendary status himself. Of course every
bloviator is entitled to his own "legend" criteria, though I've found
few definitions and even less consistency.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 6, 11:19 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Bon Jovi is the highest grossing live music act of this century.
>
> Cite please

I can't find that exact info right now, but here's some evidence....

http://www.billboard.com/features/bon-jovi-billboard-s-top-touring-act-of-1004134335.story#/features/bon-jovi-billboard-s-top-touring-act-of-1004134335.story

Bon Jovi: Billboard's Top Touring Act of the Year
by Ray Waddell | December 10, 2010 10:00 EST

Since 1986, only two bands have claimed the honor as the top-grossing
act twice in three years: the Rolling Stones (1998 and 1999) and the
Grateful Dead (1991 and 1993).

But this year, another act can claim that title: Bon Jovi.

For the second time in three years, Bon Jovi ranks as the highest-
grossing touring act. The band's achievement, this year and previously
in 2008, demonstrates that, remarkably, the group is hitting its
touring peak 26 years after releasing its debut album.

The 2010-11 trek is AEG Live's third outing with Bon Jovi, following
the Have a Nice Day tour in 2005-06 and the Lost Highway tour in
2007-08, which grossed a combined $342 million and moved 3 million
tickets worldwide, according to Billboard Boxscore.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 4, 9:46 am, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:

>. Many credit BBB, and particularly Bloomfield, with being the
> inspiration for the San Francisco sound that began in the mid-60's.

Considering that the band was loacted and played mainly in Chicago,
how would they have been so important in San Francisco?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Oct 6, 11:39 pm, "M. Rick" <insomniati...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Do you really believe that Bon Jovi is a legend??
>
> I believe he's more of a legend than Bret Michaels.  I'm less sure
> about Vince Neil.  Using the commonly accepted meanings of legend, a
> modern artist is only called a legend if he reaches the top level of
> respect among his peers.

I think the worldwide general public defines what a legend is, not the
other musicians.

Bon Jovi is short of being a legend if we are only talking about the
USA, but worldwide they are one of the biggest acts ever. And I'm not
a fan at all, by the way.

Everything does not revolve around the USA.

[Just Kidding]

In 1966, the BBB relocated to San Francisco after Bill Graham brought
them in to play the Fillmore. SF remained their base until the band
broke up in 67, after which Bloomfield started Electric Flag.
Bloomfield remained a part of the SF scene until his death in 1981. As
far as I know, Bishop still lives in the Bay area.

[Just Kidding]

And here's evidence to the contrary:

http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=702459

Pollstar has compiled its year-end research from 2000 to 2009 and come
up with the highest-grossing touring artists of North America for the
decade.

Coming in at No. 1 is touring juggernaut Dave Matthews Band, grossing
nearly $530 million.

(Bon Jovi comes in at #14 on this list)

[marcus]

I didn't realize that Carole King wasn't in the HOF. She certainly
seems quite deserving of that "honor" to me.