Dr. Demento Overrecycling Humor?
David Tanny
A posting on the newsgroup rec.music.dementia has brought up the issue of some
problems with the content of the Dr. Demento show.
While the "Dr. Demento Show" has had problems getting radio station clearances
as of late, there may be one notable reason
why several radio staitons haven't been too warm on his radio show lately.
That is, there is a problem with excessive recycling of the same old songs and
sketches from years past, classics that are still
being repeated on occasion that are getting a bit old and irrevelant for
today's cultrual tastes.
Like classic rock, Dr. Demento is facing the same problem holding on to
listeners as well as affilliates in the same way as a
radio station that plays classic rock or oldies is having a tough time keeping
its listeners as they tire of the same old songs from
decades ago and have a need to search for newer material to listen to.
Songs that sounded fresh in the 60's and 70's may still be classics whether
its from Cheech and Chong to Tom Lehrer to
Napoleon XIV, but longtime listeners of the Dr. Demento Show may be getting
tired of hearing the same classic songs over and
over again, now that most of the classics are readily available for purchase
on CD's at Amazon.com and CDnow.com among
others.
"It's as if Dr. Demento has gotten lazy and decided to recycle the same
subjects for newer years with about 10% fresh
material," says Tom who works at a radio station that will not be identified.
"Listeners requested that we drop the show due to
excessive repeating as his musical direction is inconsistent with the musical
direction of our format in terms of years as our
Modern Rock format rarely plays any rock from before the 1980's."
"The show's doing OK," says Steven whose radio station is barely holding on to
the show, "But if On The Radio Broadcasting
raises their fees and the price is too high, or if Dr. Demento drops one
point, the show is outta here."
Other e-mails from radio programmers indicated that what Dr. Demento needs to
get his show back on the air on their stations
is to reinvent the show itself.
"Most of the material is just not funny," says an anonymous e-mailer. "Songs
about pedophilia (Kinko The Clown), farting, and
stalking are just not acceptable subjects for our format and we refuse to
program the show if Demento plans to aim that low for
humor."
Jeffrey, working at another undisclosed radio station, says about Dr. Demento,
"While some of the subjects are timeless, most
of the songs have alredy been played enough times already. The Funny Five
features mostly reoccurrences of the same songs
from 20-30 years ago and it displaces some of the newer material that is not
getting enough airplay on Barrett's program."
Another anonymous e-mailer adds, "Dr. Demento needs to put out all-new shows
full of newer material for one hour, and just
play a 1/2 hour of classics, just once a year and no more, while his Funny
Five segment would be like Billboard just counting
down the current hits. We don't see the same old Beatles or Elvis songs on
today's charts, do we?"
Has the Dr. Demento Show shot itself in the foot too many times? Some of the
newer material for the TV vein, for example,
features subjects too cult for the mainstream television viewer while there
may be a lot of mass-appeal novelty songs that would
not only get requests, but to help get Dr. Demento's show on more stations.
What "Weird Al" Yankovic wrote about in his songs, for example, are subjects
that just about everybody could relate to such
as food, cars, pop icon takeoffs, and music parodies of well-known hits. It's
the mass appeal that attracts listeners. By going
too cult, Demento may be turning off not only its listeners, but also the
radio station affilliates as well.
"If Dr. Demento would just quit playing those damn Fish Heads and Dead
Puppies, it would be a start,' says another
anonymous radio programmer. "We have just gotten our fill of dinosaur
novelties so many times that we had to pull the show
three years ago due to listener exodus."
"Some of the humor is just too high-brow for the average listener," explains
another radio programmer who just quit the
business. "Some of the British humor he keeps playing would be better suited
for National Public Radio than for a mass appeal
radio station such as the one I used to work for."
The pickiness factor of Dr. Demento may also be to blame as his radio show,
once daring enough to play anything amusing or
weird enough, is unnecessairily shutting out up and coming novelty songwriters
such as David Tanny of San Diego.
"I've created some amusing songs on my computer on tape, but it seems that
Barrett Hansen just keeps finding an excuse to not
play the songs," says a frustrated Tanny. "I've recorded a song about
'Pokemon', but he played Weird Al's 'Polkamon' instead.
I've recorded a parody of 'C mon Ride the Train' called 'C mon Drink The
Beer,' but he played lukeski's 'Ride The Bus', and I
sent in those songs months before the other singers, who are good by the way,
wrote their versions. I'm beginning to honestly
believe that Demento is not firing on all cylinders anymore; he will be going
the way of the dinosaur if he doesn't shape up and
fast."
As for songs about science-fiction TV as of late, Tanny responds, "I never
watched Babylon 5 or Voyager as they've seemed
to have lost their mass appeal and have gotten too cult for most of the
public's tastes. I wrote some amusing TV songs about a
game show 'Hollywood Squares', a current NBC show 'Frasier', and a classic
family show 'Eight is Enough'."
"I can tell you straight up that more people have been watching Frasier than
have been watching Babylon or Voyager
combined," Tanny says. "Mass appeal novelty songs get listeners, and listeners
mean ratings, and ratings mean that Demento
gets better ratings."
On Eight is Enough, "I kind of patterned it like Weird Al's Brady Bunch song
more or less, but it's my parody on a Beatles song
'Eight Days a Week,' which was a #1 pop hit in the 60's." He is also the
master of the domain eightisenough.com on the
Internet.
You can listen to Tanny's songs by going to his special download location at
http://www.egroups.com/files/drdemento/. No
membership is required to download them.
"I made it very easy for the listener to hear my songs online even if nobody
will play them," he says. Tanny has no plans to
release them on a CD yet, but he says that as soon as he can get 74 minutes of
material, he's got a CD ready.
"I want to give my buyers a full CD's worth," says Tanny. "I may be cheap, but
so are the CD buyers as well."
As for his campaign to get Dr. Demento's Show back on local radio, he says,
"Demento has to change his musical direction
first, but the radio stations have to be more receptive to newer novelty
music. Not only that, On The Radio Broadcasting must
be able to acknowledge the problems with their built-in national spots that
are part of the package as stations such as KLOS
won't carry Demento due to conflicts of corporate interest with the national
advertisers. I don't think I'll want Dr. Demento on
my local station until he begins playing my songs on his show, and let the
audience decide whether they like them or not. After
all, the listener is always right."
Tom Rockwell on the subject of in-show commercials, says on USENET, "Stations
have also complained about the in-show
commercials. For those that don't know there are commercials right on the CDs
that the stations get. After the station plays
those ads they play the local ads, then play the next segment. Some stations,
especially the big corporate ones, don't like this.
They feel they are giving away advertising time to people who have not paid
them for the airtime."
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whats considered funny, gross, boring, etc.
The reason Elvis and The Beatles aren't played anymore
is that those radio stations don't play them. I listen
to a local radio station that does play Elvis and The Beatles.
Its part of their format. Golden Oldies from the 50s,
60s, and 70s.
I don't like morning fm radio talk-talk-talk, and
maybe play one song per hour disk jockeys, but
other folks enjoy them.
I heard in here of radio stations not playing
Dr. Demento due to the Trojan commercials.
Has no affect as the radio station I listen
to, that plays Dr. D. used to have commercials
for a local strip club. And in the morning,
they play that idiotic 'John Boy and Billy'
doofus show. But some folks like it.
Have the ones who want air play, have they sent
Dr. D. their music ?
Maybe the ones who want their music played
on Dr. D. need to become well known enough
so that the folks local to them requests
their music. Instant success doesn't happen.
As for the music being outdated... I don't see
it that way. His show has music I can't hear
elsewhere.
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Tom Rockwell
> "It's as if Dr. Demento has gotten lazy and decided to recycle the same
> subjects for newer years with about 10% fresh
> material," says Tom who works at a radio station that will not be identified.
In defense of Dr. D, what new material? It's not like there's a huge
wave of novelty artists who are battling for airtime. Been to the music
store lately? The comedy section (if the store even has one) isn't
exactly overflowing.
Whenever Dr. D plays something new he tells us where we can find it
whether it's in a store, or more likely from a web site. He can't play
new stuff if there isn't new stuff to play.
> "Most of the material is just not funny," says an anonymous e-mailer. "Songs
> about pedophilia (Kinko The Clown), farting, and
> stalking are just not acceptable subjects for our format and we refuse to
> program the show if Demento plans to aim that low for
> humor."
...
> "Some of the humor is just too high-brow for the average listener," explains
> another radio programmer who just quit the
> business. "Some of the British humor he keeps playing would be better suited
> for National Public Radio than for a mass appeal
> radio station such as the one I used to work for."
I thought this was interesting. One guy said the show is too low brow.
Another said it's too high brow. You can't please everyone.
> Jeffrey, working at another undisclosed radio station, says about Dr. Demento,
> "While some of the subjects are timeless, most
> of the songs have alredy been played enough times already. The Funny Five
> features mostly reoccurrences of the same songs
> from 20-30 years ago and it displaces some of the newer material that is not
> getting enough airplay on Barrett's program."
The Funny Five is compiled by request only. If Dr. D gets 500 requests
for Fish Heads and no other song gets that many requests, guess what.
Fish Heads will be #1. That's what people want to hear. If you want to
hear something else make a request.
> What "Weird Al" Yankovic wrote about in his songs, for example, are subjects
> that just about everybody could relate to such
> as food, cars, pop icon takeoffs, and music parodies of well-known hits. It's
> the mass appeal that attracts listeners. By going
> too cult, Demento may be turning off not only its listeners, but also the
> radio station affilliates as well.
And how many Weird Al's are there out there? I know my stuff isn't
nearly as good as Al's is. You don't want the show to become entirely
made up of Al's music, do you?
> The pickiness factor of Dr. Demento may also be to blame as his radio show,
> once daring enough to play anything amusing or
> weird enough, is unnecessairily shutting out up and coming novelty songwriters
> such as David Tanny of San Diego.
>
> "I've created some amusing songs on my computer on tape, but it seems that
> Barrett Hansen just keeps finding an excuse to not
> play the songs," says a frustrated Tanny. "I've recorded a song about
> 'Pokemon', but he played Weird Al's 'Polkamon' instead.
> I've recorded a parody of 'C mon Ride the Train' called 'C mon Drink The
> Beer,' but he played lukeski's 'Ride The Bus', and I
> sent in those songs months before the other singers, who are good by the way,
> wrote their versions. I'm beginning to honestly
> believe that Demento is not firing on all cylinders anymore; he will be going
> the way of the dinosaur if he doesn't shape up and
> fast."
I haven't heard your stuff yet so I don't want to comment on it until I
hear it. But keep in mind how long I've been doing this and how few
songs I've had on the show over the years. We formed in 1986. I sent
my first tape to Dr. D in 1987. I managed to get a song played once in
1990 ("I'm Bored"). At the time I thought the other 10 or so songs I
had sent him were good enough to be played. Now I look back at them and
realize that they are total garbage.
I've officially released 4 albums worth of material. Of those 4 albums
7 songs have been played- 4 of them off of "Unplugged". I don't think
he's too picky. I think he just wants to play the best of the stuff
that he gets.
When I first started doing Friggin' Here with Tim in Rochester our
biggest problem was we didn't have enough material. We slowly started
getting material in, but most of it was older stuff we got off Dr. D
compilations. There just isn't a lot of new stuff out there for him to play.
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these songs, every station
would drop him. Sorry....bad quality, musicianship and basically the words
suck. It's just not funny.
Al Kossow
> Dr. Demento Overrecycling Humor?
>
> The pickiness factor of Dr. Demento may also be to blame as his radio show,
> once daring enough to play anything amusing or
> weird enough, is unnecessairily shutting out up and coming novelty songwriters
> such as David Tanny of San Diego.
>
What more needs to be said...
D.J.
a...@spies.com (Al Kossow) wrote:
[]From article <6rdavs89b1jioh1or...@4ax.com>, by David Tanny <davi...@cts.com>:
[]> Dr. Demento Overrecycling Humor?
[]>
[]> The pickiness factor of Dr. Demento may also be to blame as his radio show,
[]> once daring enough to play anything amusing or
[]> weird enough, is unnecessairily shutting out up and coming novelty songwriters
[]> such as David Tanny of San Diego.
[]
[]What more needs to be said...
What new stuff is he supposed to play ? Two hours of less than 5
people ? There has to be new music for him to play. And has the poster
and musician, Danny Tanny, sent any thing to Dr. D. ? Is it funny ?
etc.
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Kimba W. Lion
>have also complained about the in-show
>commercials. For those that don't know there are commercials right on the CDs
>that the stations get. After the station plays
>those ads they play the local ads, then play the next segment. Some stations,
>especially the big corporate ones, don't like this.
>They feel they are giving away advertising time to people who have not paid
>them for the airtime."
Is that true? If so, then I have even less hope for the future of radio than
before. Even I understand how this works. The "in-show commercials" pay for the
show.
What I don't understand is why there is a fee, however small, for the show on
top of asking the stations to accept the barter ads, but I'm not in the
business.
Kimba
Kimba W. Lion
hungry. Here, nosh on a knisch and I'll talk. You eat, I'll talk.
Dave, baby, you got talent. Nobody can deny that. Look at this thing you wrote
here. You managed to be self-serving and self-destructive at the same time.
That's not something everybody can do. Of course, it's not something everybody
would want to do.
What are you trying to do with that title, huh? You trying to make it look like
you found this in a magazine or something? C'mon Dave, some of us have been
around this group about as long as you have. You can't kid kidders, Dave.
I know you're unhappy. I'm unhappy too. You think Dr. Demento's got to change,
I don't even get to hear Dr. Demento. You list all the things you think he
needs to change, you're actually listing all the problems he has to face and
all the stupid, braindead reasons radio stations have for not even playing his
show. It's a tough business, Dave. Dr. Demento's doing the best he can and the
radio stations... well, they're mostly making money, which is all radio is
about any more. All they gotta do is play it safe for the owners. How're you
going to break through a policy like that?
Yeah, I know, I got tired of the Funny Five, too. But you ever trade tapes with
people, Dave? You ever help people find copies of songs or even put on a Dr.
Demento party? Damn if there isn't bunches of people out there who do want to
hear Fish Heads again.
You want him to play new stuff? What new stuff? You been to the comedy section
lately? Take away the stuff you *can't* play on the air and what have you got?
Not freakin' much. And you just can't do spoken word on a music station, people
won't sit still for it. So that leaves even less.
Oh, you want him to play YOUR new stuff? Dave, baby... sweetie... how do I put
this? The Doctor's been in business for a long time, he's got criteria, he's
got reasons... he's got EARS fer cryin' out loud. Take a step back and LISTEN
to your Pokemon song next to Weird Al's--which one REALLY deserves 50,000 watts
of frequency modulation? Or even 1000 watts of amplitude modulation?
I listened to a couple of your songs. Frankly, after that and reading what you
said about Dr. Demento, I got my own idea about who ain't hittin' on all
cylinders.
OK, OK, calm down. Wipe off your chin. That was a bit mean. I'm sorry. But
think about it--turn all of what you said around and think if you would let
someone on your show after they did all that.
And you gotta get objective about your music. Lose the $10 keyboard and either
get some real musicians or at least use a karaoke CD for your parodies. Take a
couple of singing lessons. What, you think Weird Al doesn't bust his butt for
his records?
There. How was your knisch? I have them flown in from New York, you know.
You do some good things, Dave. You want to branch out into some new stuff,
especially if you need somebody else to accept your stuff, you're going to have
to work on it. Hard. Nobody else sees the world the way you do. That's your
advantage and your disadvantage. But acting like this, Dave, that ain't gonna
get you anywhere.
Kimba
Tom Rockwell
>
> >Tom Rockwell on the subject of in-show commercials, says on USENET, "Stations
> >have also complained about the in-show
> >commercials. For those that don't know there are commercials right on the CDs
> >that the stations get. After the station plays
> >those ads they play the local ads, then play the next segment. Some stations,
> >especially the big corporate ones, don't like this.
> >They feel they are giving away advertising time to people who have not paid
> >them for the airtime."
>
> Is that true? If so, then I have even less hope for the future of radio than
> before. Even I understand how this works. The "in-show commercials" pay for the
> show.
According to Dr D. that's the reason why nobody in NYC will pick up the
show. There were several stations who were interested because they know
there's a demand there, but they don't want to give up the ad time to
people who haven't directly paid the station.
Kimba W. Lion
>people who haven't directly paid the station.
Amazing. Every syndicated radio show I can think of comes with its own ads.
That's supposed to make the show affordable.
Kimba
Tom Rockwell
> Amazing. Every syndicated radio show I can think of comes with its own ads.
> That's supposed to make the show affordable.
Of course it's possible the stations are just making excuses.
Tom Rockwell
> >Tom Rockwell on the subject of in-show commercials, says on USENET,
>
> Tom Rockwell? That's not that groom who did that "Who want's to marry a
> millionaire" show?
No, it's just me. If I was a millionaire (and God willing I will be
some day) I'd never pick a bride via an anonymous beauty pageant. But I
wouldn't be opposed to a tournament of Chromosomethingorother. Winner
take all. :)
yan...@pipeline.com
I to have sent the Dr material that has not been played, but its not anything
to get upset about. I was a little disappointed when I got the letter back, but
hey, any artist out there that has made it, probably got turned down about
a zillion times before getting a hit record, and I am just doing this for
fun, and not to make any money on it or any hits. I mostly make parodies of
other songs, which again, is not as appealing as original material, but me and
my friends have a laugh and that’s all that matters. For those that want to hear
some maybe ok parodies that I have written, you can check out:
http://www.mindspring.com/~weirdal/parodies.htm (Don’t get to excited about the
word "weirdal" in the URL, the main page http://www.mindspring.com/~weirdal/ is
a Weird Al tribute page, I am not trying to boast myself as any type of weird
al, lord knows I need more help with singing).
I have listened to the Dr since the early 80s, yes the funny 5 is almost always
a run of fish heads, star trekkin, dead puppies, my dead dog rover, wet dreams,
viagra in the waters, devil went to Jamaica and at Christmas, Christmas at
ground zero, grandma got run over by a reindeer, and blue Christmas. Did I
hit most of them? People want to hear this stuff, and that’s what the Dr plays.
So we cannot bash him for that. Plus just like regular music, comedy music has
genre as well, some people like their humor to have rude language and just be a
total put down on just about everything and others like clean humor. Some look
for other traits in the music. The Dr needs to appeal to all audiences, if he
played Monty Python for 5 weeks in a row, how many would listen then, yeah I
like them but some don't, but just like a regular radio station, he is not going
to play everything you like, and has to be selective about his music and what
gets played. Sure my music has never been played, but thats not going to stop me
from listening to his show. Another thing that you need to think about, most of
the shows follow a theme of some sort, so if he did a show around cats, how much
new material do you think he has on the subject? Probably not to much, I can not
image its that easy to be Dr Demento!
Other points, radio stations need to lighten up a little on this whole format
issue. Yeah, Dr D does not fit your format, it does not fit any format, that’s
the beauty of the show, its versatile. Some say things about language on the
show, well, one station in my local area mentions some of the language and
subject matter was not appealing to their audience, this was a classic rock
station. A couple of days later, I heard “I want to f**k you like an
Animal” on the station, un-censored! Sometime I wish they would quit evading the
issue and just tell us straight out “We don’t like it”, that’s fine, but be
truthful. The only place I will back the radio stations on is the commercial
issue, but I am sure OTR will work with the stations and come to a compromise of
some sort.
Don’t even get me started on the comment about most of the songs have been
played enough times already. I only have on thing to say “Top 40 radio” You will
hear N-Sync, Britney Spears or the Back Street Boys every hour on the hour, yeah
these songs have not been played enough!
My advice to you, keep trying, someday you will get a tune played, plus Dr D is
not the only show out there, try Friggin Here or Jays Crazy show, they may like
them. And also, don’t use your Midi card anymore, if you insist on using Midi
files, go get this program: http://www.cc.rim.or.jp/~hiroki/english called
wingroove, it will make your midi files sound 100% better and its only 20 bucks.
And remember, some will like your music some will hate your music, but chances
are the ones that like it will not say to much, the ones that hate will bash you
in public, it’s the nature of the beast
RKradio
"Tom Rockwell" <sp...@suddendeath.org> wrote in message
news:39F6EF8A...@suddendeath.org...
> According to Dr D. that's the reason why nobody in NYC will pick up the
> show. There were several stations who were interested because they know
> there's a demand there, but they don't want to give up the ad time to
> people who haven't directly paid the station.
I suppose this could explain why no LA station has picked up the show,
either. There are several that I think would match well with his show. Of
course, five of the stations I have in mind are owned by the same big
corporate company Clear Channel, so their policy affects all of these
stations in one swell swoop...
Russell K.
Scott Andrew Hutchins
dji...@boingydatasync.com wrote:
> Myself, I know it varies by location in the United States
> whats considered funny, gross, boring, etc.
>
> The reason Elvis and The Beatles aren't played anymore
> is that those radio stations don't play them. I listen
> to a local radio station that does play Elvis and The Beatles.
> Its part of their format. Golden Oldies from the 50s,
> 60s, and 70s.
>
The station that plays Dr.D here regularly plays the Beatles and the Graetful
Dead, but also modern rock, basically anything they consider cool. After I made
my complaint about how they had been handling Dr. D, it was perfectly on track
the next week.
> I heard in here of radio stations not playing
> Dr. Demento due to the Trojan commercials.
Never heard Trojan commercials on Dr.D. I have heard the same Extra commercial
in every advertising slot each week.
Scott
Scott Andrew Hutchins
Dr. D. never seems to play Paul Shanklin, Doug Rice, or other muscial comedians
that Rush plays.
Scott
"Kimba W. Lion" wrote:
> >they don't want to give up the ad time to
> >people who haven't directly paid the station.
>
> Amazing. Every syndicated radio show I can think of comes with its own ads.
> That's supposed to make the show affordable.
>
> Kimba
Scott Andrew Hutchins
Do you really think your songs are as good as Al's? "Pokemon" at least had a decent idea,
but I thought it was poorly executed. The harmonies are off-key, and I had to turn of
"Frasier" finding it even less tolerable than "It's Halloween." It's not that I'm the kind
of person to tear somebody's art down, but I don't like to kid myself, either. "More
Pollution," a Beatles parody which a friend and I wrote and recorded in ninth grade, is
better quality than this, and I think our lyrics are lame, and those who have heard me sing
now would never realize that weak, rough voice in the background was me.
Scott
David Tanny
>Never heard Trojan commercials on Dr.D. I have heard the same Extra commercial
>in every advertising slot each week.
I heard some Trojan commercials recently on Dr. D on the Net, but I can't
place the date.
d.t.
David Tanny
>Rush Limbaugh has his own ads and he's syndicated in almost every market, but
>Dr. D. never seems to play Paul Shanklin, Doug Rice, or other muscial comedians
>that Rush plays.
I never heard of them. What kind of humor do they sing or produce?
I guess political.
Kimba W. Lion
>I guess political.
Paul Shanklin has samples at http://www.paulshanklin.com/
Indeed political. And Mr. Shanklin does an excellent job of capturing the
sounds both of the original songs his parodies are based on and of the people
he is lampooning.
Somebody stop me before I insert a rant about how no matter which side of the
political fence you're on it's all a game to distract you from what's really
going on... too late.
Kimba
Scott Andrew Hutchins
parodies. One of the funniest is "Algore Paradise"-- "tell me why is it/so hard to see/if
he's really a man/or just a tree"
Scott
dji...@boingydatasync.com
[]Of course it's possible the stations are just making excuses.
Nope. Nope. 5 paragraph penalty for making sense ! :-)
carl grigg
always get in" (if you don't know the song try
http://www.neilinnes.org/songs1.htm#nmwyvftgagi)
I would mention Zaphod Beeblebrox but that is getting off topic and too
close to the truth.
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