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bs

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Sep 23, 2007, 9:52:50 PM9/23/07
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They just said on KRDE that they were told not to stream the Dr D show.
They stated they refuse to uphold an internet blackout. They asked that all
listeners email the Dr.'s website and register a complaint. We'll see in a
few minutes if they play the Dr.'s show.

bs

Michael Ward

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Sep 23, 2007, 10:11:25 PM9/23/07
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"bs" <b...@notaol.com> wrote in message
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Its 10 minutes after the hour and I'm hearing country music instead of Dr.
Demento on KRDE.

-
Michael Ward
Fort Worth, Texas


ezer...@insightbb.com

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Sep 23, 2007, 10:31:42 PM9/23/07
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It sounds like KRDE is not playing Dr. Demento tonight!
I am listening at this very moment and I don't hear it. Just country
music.
ECH

Tester

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Sep 23, 2007, 10:40:46 PM9/23/07
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I wonder if KRDE and/or WLVQ played it over the air.

I notice that KEGR now has some ads in their old broadcasts or
cablecasts or whatever.

Dan Iacovelli

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Sep 23, 2007, 10:46:28 PM9/23/07
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it's posted on the web site under the news page http://www.krde.com/newspage.php
was hoping to listen to the show on the net before WLUP plays it on
the radio.
and now this,
I heard that WLVQ also got hit by this as well, and the only station
that is good playing an old show now.
I hate this when they stsrted streaming it great almost every station
had it on the net now it went down to 3
and now only one.

Gary Flinn

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Sep 23, 2007, 11:02:59 PM9/23/07
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"Tester" <te...@test.org> wrote in message
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As I mentioned in the other thread, KRDE does not have the means to black
out streaming audio so they simply did not air the show.

-Ghastly Gary sez STAY
DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gary Flinn

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Sep 23, 2007, 11:04:53 PM9/23/07
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Here is the exact message I received:

Dr. Demento fans, the syndicator of the show has informed us that we must
discontinue streaming the show or face losing the right to air it each week.
We refuse to let an outsider mandate a web "Black-out" of our programming.
This is both unfair to you and costly for us to implement. If you agree,
send the doctor a message to cure this problem. Send an e-mail telling them
you want the Dr. D show to continue on both FM & on the web. Direct your
e-mails to: DrDe...@DrDemento.com.

-Ghastly Gary sez STAY
DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Ryan

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Sep 24, 2007, 12:02:39 AM9/24/07
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Over the air listeners can get a digital capture thanks to today's
portable sound cards.
Like the Zoom H2
http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-ZOO-H2--src-Y0604GL0GOOGLE00.html?gclid=CKC2wtT01I4CFQlQWAodIl1DBg#section1
(records .wav or .mp3 from line-in)
or The Pogo
http://www.pogoelectronics.com/radioyourway.html
(only records to .mp3, but has built-in tuner & timer)

-Tim

"Dan Iacovelli" <> wrote ...

Phil Erickson

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Sep 24, 2007, 7:48:18 AM9/24/07
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On Sep 24, 12:02 am, "Tim Ryan" <TimRyanAA-comc...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
> Over the air listeners can get a digital capture thanks to today's
> portable sound cards.
> Like the Zoom H2http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-ZOO-H2--src-Y0604GL0GOOGLE00.h...

> (records .wav or .mp3 from line-in)
> or The Pogohttp://www.pogoelectronics.com/radioyourway.html

> (only records to .mp3, but has built-in tuner & timer)
>
> -Tim
>
> "Dan Iacovelli" <> wrote ...
>
> > was hoping to listen to the show on the net before WLUP plays it on
> > the radio.

That's all great, Tim, but if you live in New England like me, we have
absolutely no on-air solutions at all since no local stations play
it. KRDE was the last hope of hearing the program. If it remains off
KRDE, then that's the end of my listening (and Dr. D now has a very
angry former fan). My budget doesn't allow a regular purchase of the
show from the official web site.

This could be it for me. How unnecessary and sad.

----
Phil

Tim Ryan

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Sep 24, 2007, 10:05:07 AM9/24/07
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I completely understand. Short wav radio fidelity for a $2 stream is
not worth it. $14.95 per month makes the cost of new shows almost $4
per show (or view it as per week). While older shows can be ordered up
during your month, there still is a limit to those, and the library of
older shows had no new additions for over a year now.

-Tim

"Phil Erickson" <> wrote...
>
> ... then that's the end of my listening (and Dr. D now has a very

graveb...@hotmail.com

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Sep 24, 2007, 5:09:46 PM9/24/07
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On Sep 23, 9:52 pm, "bs" <b...@notaol.com> wrote:

I've sent off my complaint. (But this is abuse! You want room 12B
down the hall!)

That pretty much wraps it up for me. KRDE was the only way I could
listen in at dial up speed. That means no more doctor at my house.
I've been a fan for 20+ years and I knew market forces would
eventually bring this situation about. Over air broadcast disappeared
long ago in Canada, it was on CHUM-FM Toronto in the 80s. CHUM also
recently stopped broadcastings their Sunday Funnies program.

The absence of the Doctors weekly presciption will certainly make a
difference to me. Can we call on the US Surgeon General? Certainly a
large number of people all going off their medication at the same time
should be a concern to someone!

aw...@verizon.net

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Sep 25, 2007, 10:50:23 PM9/25/07
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maybe we should give money to KRDE so they can afford to stream the
show.

Jason K

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Sep 25, 2007, 11:44:43 PM9/25/07
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I haven't been in this group in a while. Hi everybody that used to
listen via WQMA.

I can answer that Dr. D is not offering this as an option. They just
want stations not to stream the show, *period*, end of discussion.

To my knowledge, Dr. Demento is the only music based program in radio
syndication to forbid it's affiliates to stream. Our station has aired
dozens of syndicated programs and never faced such restrictions.

VERY few radio programs have such regulations. Most of the other shows
we carry encourage stations to rebroadcast the show to gain wider
audience. Our syndicated morning team, Steve & DC, has worked with us
in the past to better our streaming to accomodate listeners to their
show in areas where they are no longer heard. In fact, I'm familiar
with only one other radio show thats brought up this issue in a
negative way. When Howard Stern was on AM/FM radio, his contract
forbid stations from streaming the show, but that was also
CBS/Infinity's policy toward all Internet radio at the time (they
forbid their own stations to stream anything seeing no economic
benefit to it). But it wasn't enforced as heavily as Dr. D's seems to
be as I frequently would listen to Howard online out-of-market. Dr.
D's syndicators contact stations via phone when they are made aware of
them streaming and tell them to stop or they will stop receiving
shows.

Internet simulcasts of AM/FM stations are a big part of the future of
radio. If it was a bad idea for the show, huge corporations like CBS
Radio, ABC Radio, Premiere/Clear Channel and others would forbid
online streaming of their programming. They don't because most
companies realize letting someone listen to a current program at a
certain time for free online is the same as letting them listen to a
current program on their AM/FM radio dial locally. By not getting the
program out on as many distribution platforms as possible, the simple
fact is that less people will hear it, and NO new listeners will
discover it.

I can't imagine any station providing such simulcast being happy with
an arrangement where they can't air the programming online as it's a
part of the radio station. It's very old-fashioned thinking on the
part of the syndicator and restrictive. If they want to try to create
a new stream of income online, they should, as many other radio shows
are doing, but charge for previous shows from the library, or provide
some kind of on-demand service that complements the stations. But
don't try to restrict broadcast of the current shows and compete with
AM/FM stations online efforts and hurt the shows fans. I would guess
that the amount of money they are making charging fans to hear the
show from the website is not nearly enough to offset the badwill to
fans and station affiliates from these restrictive policies.

About the fees for airing the program: Yes, there is a fee involved
for stations in airing the program now but stations can still only air
it over AM/FM and not Internet by any means. We tried to make that
work at WQMA for a couple months but we just frustrated everyone
including local listeners by not streaming the show (our mp3PRO stream
sounds better than AM) and we couldn't afford the payments or find any
sponsors. I hope in the future Dr. D becomes more station friendly and
we can work together again. I am a huge supporter of quality national
weekend programming.

At our station, we discovered that a lot of our donators to the
streaming were dedicated Dr. D listeners (we still never profited from
Internet broadcasting; in our best month, we just broke even). We
couldn't afford the Internet streaming after you all left, so we
unfortunately pulled the whole online streaming for all of our shows
for now which resulted in a number of people without ability to hear
our wide variety of top national weekend programming. I am still
getting disappointment filled emails from people all over the world
(some from US soldiers in Iraq and a fan of Casey Kasem that lives in
Germany!). We are working on alternatives to offer streaming again
sometime in the future.

Jason
http://www.q1520radio.com

Tim Ryan

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:28:34 AM9/26/07
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awc99, I recognize your name, Arthyr Chadbourne, manager, Talonian
Productions.

I'm puzzled by your use of 'we'. Are you saying we, Talonian
Productions should send money to WLVQ and KRDE so they can afford the
show? ....(see message above)


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D a v i d T a n n y

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:34:30 AM9/26/07
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Who's "we"? I'm not in that "we" group.


On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:50:23 -0700, aw...@verizon.net wrote:

Wayne S Garmil

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:32:25 PM9/26/07
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In article <1190775023.8...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

<aw...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>maybe we should give money to KRDE so they can afford to stream the
>show.

WPYX paid the extra fee to stream the show, yet was only sent one show
out of five because they streamed it. So why would any other station
bother to pay for streaming rights if they still won't get the show if
they stream it?

Wayne


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peterpuck9

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Sep 26, 2007, 12:38:33 PM9/26/07
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It's nice of you to come here and make fun of Dr. Demeto's fans. Does
he know that you are doing this?

Phil Erickson

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Sep 27, 2007, 7:12:52 AM9/27/07
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On Sep 25, 11:44 pm, Jason K <ja...@q1520radio.com> wrote:
>
>
> Internet simulcasts of AM/FM stations are a big part of the future of
> radio. If it was a bad idea for the show, huge corporations like CBS
> Radio, ABC Radio, Premiere/Clear Channel and others would forbid
> online streaming of their programming. They don't because most
> companies realize letting someone listen to a current program at a
> certain time for free online is the same as letting them listen to a
> current program on their AM/FM radio dial locally. By not getting the
> program out on as many distribution platforms as possible, the simple
> fact is that less people will hear it, and NO new listeners will
> discover it.

Bravo! You have put it very well. I'm just not going to support the
Talonian idea of a "high quality" streaming alternative (40 kbps once-
only streamed show for $2?? Get access to 96 kbps if you pay $180/
year??) especially when it seems to be coming at the expense of
simulcasting the live programs.

Wake up, Dr D: there are far too many entertainment options for people
out there, and you no longer have the audience lock you once did. The
podcasting alone [Mad Music Archive] is a great option. I think
you've got one last chance to hold onto listeners and get new ones to
tune in. With your years of experience and vast musical knowledge, it
would be a shame to lose your voice out there.

I think I'll make sure to send an email copy of this thread to Dr D
directly so he gets the news that we're out here and mighty
frustrated.

Best,
Phil

emio...@djparticle.com

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Sep 27, 2007, 1:49:16 PM9/27/07
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Don't forget Dementia Radio (.org) too! :)

Unless things at Talonian change, and like NOW, Dr. Demento won't be
the only personality counting down the F25 this year....

And Talonian should notice that they are effectively opting to LOSE
AFFILIATES, and therefore LOSE MARKET SHARE ,rather than allow show
streaming. What happens, Talonian, when you lose enough affiliates to
not make the show itself viable anymore? Phil is correct. The Dr.
Demento Show, legend that it is, is far from the ONLY comedy music
outlet nowadays. It CAN and WILL be replaced in the hearts of the
community unless you wise up!

I have my own radio show on Dementia Radio, and I may even have a
second affiliate in the near future. I'm also a comedy/satire music
artist. I do neither for money (granted I get money from CD sales,
but I also allow 128k file sharing of my songs too, so money is not my
motivation). I do it because I like bringing comedy music to the
masses. I do it because I like to make people laugh (or in the cases
of political parodies, to make people think). It's about the music!
I think over the years Talonian has been Dr. D's syndicatoor, it has
forgotten about that.

And if these policies are put in place by Dr. D himself (since
Talonian doesn't seem to have any other shows than Dr. D, which makes
that a possibility), then SHAME ON YOU, DOCTOR! If that is the case,
you have lost sight of the true spirit of the radio DJ and no longer
deserve to be called such!

Ok, I think this rant is over...

--Emi/DJP

--Emi/DJP

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