As many of you know, WQMA has been stuggling to pay the fees involved
in streaming its audio online. We make NO money from online streaming,
but the fees are the highest monthly expense for the station.
Today we received a notice from Dr. D's show that they intend to start
charging stations money to air the show instead of offering it on the
barter basis that is common in the radio industry.
Please understand that I personally think the show is worth whatever
fee they would decide to charge, but WQMA is already in the negative,
and there simply are no funds available to pay any fees to air
specialty weekend programming. We have been unable to find local
sponsors for the Dr. Demento show in Mississippi.
Unless we agree to some terms and pay some money, the last date that
WQMA will be airing the show is Saturday, August 19th. If anyone has
any suggestions on alternate comedy programming, I'd be open to them.
We have received notice that there is a new comedy countdown show
hosted by Casey Kasem's daughter that might be pretty good. While the
show doesn't have the heritage and following Dr. D has, it's still
pretty new, and at least it might offer some of you something similar
to listen to on Saturday mornings.
I am not going to ask for donations here because that system hasn't
really worked to cover the streaming costs we set it up for. We
generally get about 30% of the streaming costs covered each month with
our appeals for donations - which still is generous and appreciated. I
understand that everyone has less disposable income with the high gas
prices. So my last appeal is going to be based on advertising. This
would be especially beneficial to comedy/demented based websites, or
musicians. In addition to advertisements during the show, banners on
the website, live promos for your product voiced by Dr. Demento
himself, there would be additional benefits to you, and you'd know
that you are supporting Dr. D's radio show remaining on WQMA radio.
Sponsorship packages start at just $60/month which is just $15/week.
Even the smallest websites should be able to handle this.
Please contact me if you are interested by emailing
If you have no website/band to promote, but you wish to help, maybe
contact someone that would be a good fit for this offer so we can keep
the show going in northern Mississippi.
Thanks again for all of you that listen to WQMA's weekend
How much is it for the program?
How about people contributing (by money order/mail) a token in honor
of Krellan's listings for keeping alive the spirit of the internet.
How much money are we talking about? I'm okay with contributing to the
costs. I already give to public radio and I could easily imagine giving to
WQMA if you can keep the show. I'm not likely to listen on a daily basis
because I can't tie up the broadband connection.
If I had anything to advertise I'd also look at the $60/month, but sadly, I
>How much money are we talking about?
They've explained to me that the fee is supposed to vary based on each
stations market size and ratings. WQMA is a 250 watt AM station in a
small economically depressed Mississippi town so I imagine we were
offered a lower rate than any of the other affiliates.
Because the fees do vary by station, I wasn't going to post the figure
publicly since it might damage their ability to offer the show to
I will say that they are asking us for more than the price I quoted
here to sponsor the show (obviously, since the figure was very low).
So if something works out like that, the station would still be losing
money by airing the program unless additional sponsors were obtained.
But we would attempt to keep going if we obtain at least one sponsor
for the program because we appreciate quality weekend programming and
have always worked to assure the best national shows air on WQMA
during the weekend. It would, at the very least, buy us more time.
No serious email inquiries yet about program sponsorship, but the
Krellan suggestion might be something for someone to try and make
happen... maybe someone could step up and try to organize something.
Otherwise, I still think this would be a great opportunity for any
current comedy artist to say "thank you" to their fans and promote
some new material during the commercial breaks, or any dementia based
It would be very cool if people here would all take turns and each sponsor
the show for a month. If 12 of us agreed to it, that would keep the show on
for another year? Any takers? I'll put up my $60. I don't know what I'd
advertise, but I'd think of something.
Streaming Dr. Demento on the Internet is a valuable marketing tool.
The Demento Society plugs their yearly membership twice a show, and the
exposure of these announcements and the drdemetno.com website should
amount to a substantial payback from the listeners in terms of paying
for membership (as well as selling of their streams from their website.)
With that, Talonian should come up with a way that would make it
affordable for a station like yours to not only carry the show, but to
stream the show (as well as the Demento Society announcements) to a
national audience. The streaming would allow advertisers to get their
messages across to a wider audience, whereas a local only audience would
be of no value to a comedy-based website or artist whose business model
is based on a global audience.
$10,000 is way too much to ask. I'd pay that if I could afford it (I
have $2,500, but it's earmarked for a new computer to be purchased SOON)
and I could carry the show on dfsxradio.com (three times a week) with
clearance by live365.com's legal department as their segments are
un-DMCA friendly to put it (and I don't feel like spending my time
fixing the segments so that they are properly tagged for the playlist to
If there is no streaming for Dr. Demento, then only the local
advertisers might be interested in sponsorship.
Another impedement is the time slot of 6am central time (4am in
Pacific). How many people are up at that hour listening to the radio
anyway? Can you get a better time slot for Demento so people in the left
side of the coast could be exposed to dementia and the ads when they're
more awake? How about shifting the show up three hours so that it comes
on at 7am in Pacific time?
Thanks for the news, Jason. Hope you and Talonian can come up with a
solution to keep the show streaming.
We have had to make some changes in the distribution of the show to
Due to conditions in the advertising market that are beyond our control,
we will no longer be able to provide the show free of charge to radio
stations as we have in the past. We are asking our affiliate stations to
pay a very reasonable fee to broadcast the show, starting with the
weekend of August 26-27.
We hope that many stations will continue to carry the show. Others may
elect not to do so. It is their choice.
Dr. Demento will continue to produce new shows each week (except for
occasional re-runs) as he has for 36 years.
We will continue to make the new Dr. Demento Show available for
streaming at our website every Monday, as we have since the start of the
Dr. Demento and everyone here greatly appreciates your support and hope
you will continue to enjoy the show for a long time to come.
"Jason K" <> wrote ...
> Hi all...
I hope there are not any stations that are leaving...
-Ghastly Gary sez STAY DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>As I type this, the WQMA web site still mentions Dr. Demento on the
>schedule. I hope its a good sign, but we'll find out this weekend.
We have not yet obtained the sponsor I was trying to obtain here with
my post. The syndication company has not sent us a show for this
weekend either and no agreement has been reached. I have appealed to
them for a grace period in an email yesterday (I was unable to reach
the affiliate relations person via phone). I explained that we still
want to carry the show, but the short notice made things difficult.
Maybe a couple Dr. D websites would like to team up for the $60/month
sponsorship fee and share the promotion/cost? Maybe a musician trying
to encourage people to vote for their song to be in the funny 5?
Not only are we talking about advertisements during the show, on the
stations website (now up to over 36,000 impressions), sponsorship
promos voiced by Dr. D himself, but I'm intending to throw in some
other bonuses as well.
We'll see what happens...
I saw that as well. It's sad. Does Talonian *want* to drive the show
further into the ground?
Dr. D is already hanging on by a thread, and stations that play the
show mostly do so out of fan requests, and because someone at the
station likes the show, not because they get any ratings or advertising
revenue. If anything, Dr. D is a turnoff for the mainstream crowd, and
so the station's ratings will actually go *down* during the show. This
might explain the 4 AM time slots. I can't believe the distributor is
actually going to charge for the show now, instead of giving it free to
the few radio stations that are still willing to play it.
First pressed records, then pressed CD's, then individually burned
CD-R's. I'm wondering when they're just going to send out the original
master tape because only one station is willing to still play the show
I'm a bit pinched now, trying to get over the purchase of a new car
(much better gas mileage, though!), but will kick in what I can to
I have wondered why electronic distribution was not looking into
earlier this year when www.drdemento.net can on-line, where somewhere
separate, the stations could get the show in a format that would be
easier to plug into their automation systems. With all materials,
postage and people's time, I would guess that it could cost Talonian $5
to $10 per station to send out the show.
I hope Vicky will be with us Sunday night on KOZT to play Dr D.
"Krellan" <> wrote ...
If Jason could move Dr. Demento to later in the day, then advertisers
might be more willing to pay for some spots since more people are up at
8am than up at 6am on a Saturday morning.
I was thinking of sponsoring, but I also need to sell more hotlink space
to more funny song artists to help pay Jason to help pay Talonian. Sales
from the Amazon links from my sites are way down from last year.
All I have that I can advertise for Jason is dfsxradio.com. Maybe with
more people listening (via VIP membership), it could help genrerate
enough to cover both my streaming expenses ($40 a month) as well as to
cover Jason's asking ($60 a month). Which means that I would need
a lot of VIP listening time a month (280 VIP hours equals $1, so
if 28,000 VIP hours a month were streamed to the listeners, that would
mean $100 a month.)
So, I would need 1,000 VIP members to listen for 28 hours a week to
break the $100 mark.
If I advertise, would I send in the ad spot for Jason to pass along to
Dr. Demento to do a commercial? Would it be a 30 or a 60 second spot?
The web site is http://www.popeyes.com
-Ghastly Gary sez STAY DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
"D a v i d T a n n y" <daveNOS...@cox.net> wrote in message
>You (or a local franchisee) used to sponsor The Dr. Demento Show on WQMA in
Wow, thanks. I appreciate you thinking outside of the box. Just so you
know, none of our weekend shows have ever had sponsors but I'm
realizing that we need to change that. Popeye's was a freebie bonus
from some advertisements that ran during the weekday. The Dining Room
is a trade (for the food - it's pretty good tho!)
But it's a good testimate to radio advertising that you remember
companies that have had advertisements run during the show MONTHS ago
(Popeye's has been a while, hasn't it?)
>If Jason could move Dr. Demento to later in the day, then advertisers
>might be more willing to pay for some spots since more people are up at
>8am than up at 6am on a Saturday morning.
I hear you. There is some reasoning to the madness. I am a big
advocate at running "niche" programming at 6 in the morning. Why?
Because it can work!
I know we'd aggravate some of the people that work during the day on
Saturday (I'm thinking like the meat department at SuperValu) if we
ran comedy or otherwise non-general programming during the workday.
But at 6, we can offer something we wouldn't ordinarily, something
that complements the type of programming we offer during the weekdays
at around the same time (Steve & DC are a comedy morning team), and
most importantly, it's content that people will actually either
specifically wake up for or record at 6am. Not much radio content will
do that. If we just played regular oldies on a Saturday at 6am, no one
would wake up for it.
And I know people will do it. We get emails from people that do it,
and I used to do it. I would wake up at 6am on Sunday mornings in the
mid 90's to listen to Casey Kasem count down the top 40 when I lived
in another state. Admittedly, I would wake up and hit record on a VHS
machine and then fall back asleep (I eventually setup a VCR timer to
do the trick) :)
>If I advertise, would I send in the ad spot for Jason to pass along to
>Dr. Demento to do a commercial? Would it be a 30 or a 60 second spot?
Your commercial could be 30 seconds every break during the show plus
added benefits for $60/month. Slightly higher for 60 seconds. You
would send ad copy, and I'm not sure about any restrictions about what
Dr. D will/will not read. They've just said that he was available for
custom ad billboards, etc. We'll find out together if we find someone
interested enough to proceed.
(start of pasted E-mail message to Philips)
This comment is to be directed to your advertising agency.
Last year, Philips Lighting advertised on the Dr. Demento radio show. That
was when Dr. Demento's syndicatior Talonian Productions had national
advertising which allowed stations to air The Dr. Demento Show free on a
barter basis. At the end of last year, the syndicator stopped including
commericials in the show so the local stations had to support the show. One
of the local stations is WQMA in Marks, MS. Now stations no longer get the
show for free and are now charged for the show with the amound based on
market size. I believe a market the size of Marks, MS is charged $60 a
month for the show. WQMA presently cannot afford to carry the show. You
can check out the show yourself at http://drdemento.com If you're
interested, you can contact WQMA at ja...@q1520radio.com or through their
web site at http://www.q1520radio.com/ Of course the commericals can also
be for your other fine products including your consumer electronics, Philips
Norelco shavers, Senseo coffee makerr, medical equipment, etc. So would you
consider advetising on The Dr. Demento Show on WQMA? Thank you.
P.S.: I'm a Philips stockholder.
(end of pasted E-mail)
Edwin...We still carry Demento on-air but no longer are allowed to
stream. Sorry. Streaming is only available from the Demento website.
>I emailed Tom Yates their in Ft. Bragg, California and asked him if
>they will still be carrying Dr. Demento and this was his reply back to
>me in his email:
>Edwin...We still carry Demento on-air but no longer are allowed to
>stream. Sorry. Streaming is only available from the Demento website.
another streamer bites the dust. (sigh)
Wow, I thought I was the only one who, in college, woke up to hit
"Record" on a boombox for the local station playing Dr. D at 6:00 AM on
a Sunday morning (right after the public access hour or something;
essentially zero ratings).
And then, later on Sunday, woke up to watch Doctor Who on the VCR as it
recorded. Then, the radio station finally canceled Dr. D. To add
insult to injury, the PBS station then canceled Doctor Who and replaced
it with Barney :(
> Your commercial could be 30 seconds every break during the show plus
> added benefits for $60/month. Slightly higher for 60 seconds. You
I have no products to advertise now, and $60/month is too heavy for me,
but I did kick in a donation of $20 right now, to your paypage on
Amazon. Is it too late to bring the show back?
I agree the situation sounds frustrating, but read the message again. It
doesn't say they want to do this, it says it's beyond their control. With the
barter system, the national advertisers pay for the show. But if there are no
national advertisers, how would they make any money unless they charged stations
for the show? So given that, your message is basically saying "I can't believe
the distributor isn't willing to lose money on the show."
> First pressed records, then pressed CD's, then individually burned
> CD-R's. I'm wondering when they're just going to send out the original
> master tape because only one station is willing to still play the show
Just to be anal (since that's how I am :), I'll let you know that in fact the
master tape WAS used for distribution in at least two cases! First was KZOK in
Seattle which was the first station outside of L.A. to air the show, starting in
February, 1974. As far as I know, they got the "master tape" of the edited
version (KMET references removed) while they aired the four hour version (until
they started airing the syndicated two hour version like the rest of the
country). Also, KSAN got their own specially recorded four hour Dr. Demento
show weekly in 1979 and 1980, and again they got the only copy that I'm aware
of. There might have been a third case: 2JJ in Australia in 1975 which got four
special one-hour shows recorded for them. It's a distinct possibility that they
got the master tapes of those, but I'm not sure.
For national distribution, the show started on a single 10" reel, then moved to
7" reels, then LP, then back to 7" reels. Then national distribution stopped
for a year, but eventually resumed on 7" reels, then back to LP, then to CD, and
finally CD-R as you say.
If anything, my basic message would be:
I can't believe Talonian did not or could not direct sell any
national advertising since last January.
I can't believe Talonian would only give stations two weeks notice
for a dramatic change that is different than most other syndicated show
know to these stations.
And I do mean Talonian, the business, not Dr. Demento, Barry, the
guy who plays records for us.
"Jeff Morris" <jbmo...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
> > Tim Ryan wrote:
> > [...]
> [unattributed and confusing readers]
Geez, you're right, I really screwed that up! Originally I had removed your
part entirely and was going to paste in the part from drdemento.com, but then I
realized you had already quoted it, so I kept your quoting, but I never meant to
imply that you wrote the part below that Krellan wrote, nor that you had written
the drdemento.com blurb only that you had quoted it. But I really screwed it
I have been using different news software this past month since IU decided to
discontinue its news service. As I'd used the other software for close to 14
years, there are some things not quite right to me in this software. Not really
an excuse for messing this up, but a partial explanation for my departure from
my normal mode of carefully attributing things.
-Ghastly Gary sez STAY
"Jeff Morris" <> wrote in ...
> Geez, you're right, I really screwed that up! ...
>In any case, it looks as if Dr. Demento won't be on WQMA this weekend as the
>http://www.q1520radio.com web site no longer links The Dr. Demento Show and
>the show is no longer on the schedule. So I'll sleep in Saturday morning.
>I'll be patient for a day or two until I hear the Star Trek 40th Anniversary
I can confirm that this is the case.
We even offered to pay in the end. A sponsor hadn't materialized but I
was going to do it out of my own pocket. But when I offered to pay
what they had previously asked, I was still told no. The issue is our
streaming the audio online. They don't want any station to run the
show that streams.
Everyone that has emailed me should make sure you write them and let
them know how you feel too. The person I talked to on the phone from
Dr. D's company this week said we were competiting against them when
we streamed online and thats why they don't want us!
They don't seem to understand that we could be working together to
promote the show, that some people might listen on WQMA, and then
would still goto the website and buy/stream a show again that they
really enjoyed. Or maybe they would follow the show every week, and
goto Dr. D's site and stream a show that they missed.
We aren't in competition with them anymore so than any radio station
that airs the show is competition. Just because some of you might hear
the show through your computer speakers is besides the point.
I guess they are of the belief that with online streaming gone, all of
you will be going to the website to pay and hear the show. I
personally would never buy a DVD set of a TV show that I haven't seen
(and knew was good). I watched most of the first season of "Lost" (but
I missed a few episodes). Then I went to the store and bought it on
DVD. In my opinion, radio stations that air the show (online too)
promote the show. Other radio companies seem to agree.
You can goto steveanddc.com (that's our morning show) and become an
"Insider" to stream past episodes of our morning show for a fee. They
keep every mornings show for the past 30 days or so, plus tons of
highlights from past years. But you can hear the show Mon-Fri on WQMA
both on 1520AM and online. Commercials, that air on our station,
promote the fact that you can hear Steve & DC anytime at their site.
Their website is an Internet business and they've never tried to
prohibit us from streaming their show.
You can goto Rush Limbaugh's site and buy his podcast. But his show
still streams on stations. Rick Dees, Dick Clark, Casey Kasem. Mike
Harvey. Just about every radio show allows online streaming so I guess
my view isn't in the minority. And I don't think these other radio
companies would allow it if it was making them lose money. In other
words, even if people can hear it free when it airs, people must want
the archive material, or want the convienence of listening at a better
timeslot than 6am.
It's only competiting if they make it so. There are plenty of things
they could make available at the website besides the weeks current
show that you all might subscribe/pay for. How about a Dr. D streaming
music video channel? How about a few shows each week from previous
years? But you all should be able to listen to the current show - one
time - on the radio - for free. I don't think they lose money when
stations offer that. That's my opinion.
We have the option - for the fee I've mentioned - of picking up the
show for 1520AM only and turning off our online streaming during the
show. I am a huge fan of the show so that's under consideration even
if I disagree with the idea.
But please let them know that you'd like to hear the show on
q1520radio.com (or KOZT or whereever you listen) instead of emailing
me because I can't help with that...
Do you have any contact information for Talonian? "Harder to contact
than a monastery in a snowstorm", as another post put it....
> I guess they are of the belief that with online streaming gone, all of
> you will be going to the website to pay and hear the show. I
> personally would never buy a DVD set of a TV show that I haven't seen
> (and knew was good). I watched most of the first season of "Lost" (but
> I missed a few episodes). Then I went to the store and bought it on
> DVD. In my opinion, radio stations that air the show (online too)
> promote the show. Other radio companies seem to agree.
> You can goto steveanddc.com (that's our morning show) and become an
> "Insider" to stream past episodes of our morning show for a fee. They
> keep every mornings show for the past 30 days or so, plus tons of
> highlights from past years. But you can hear the show Mon-Fri on WQMA
> both on 1520AM and online. Commercials, that air on our station,
> promote the fact that you can hear Steve & DC anytime at their site.
> Their website is an Internet business and they've never tried to
> prohibit us from streaming their show.
> You can goto Rush Limbaugh's site and buy his podcast. But his show
> still streams on stations. Rick Dees, Dick Clark, Casey Kasem. Mike
> Harvey. Just about every radio show allows online streaming so I guess
> my view isn't in the minority. And I don't think these other radio
> companies would allow it if it was making them lose money. In other
> words, even if people can hear it free when it airs, people must want
> the archive material, or want the convienence of listening at a better
> timeslot than 6am.
Yep, it's amazing how Talonian is driving the show into the ground. As
you said, other radio shows and TV shows seem to be doing just fine,
even when allowing streaming online.
With Dr. D especially, it is carried on so few stations that I would
consider online streaming to be a necessity. There hasn't been a
terrestrial radio station here carrying Dr. D for almost a decade now.
> But please let them know that you'd like to hear the show on
> q1520radio.com (or KOZT or whereever you listen) instead of emailing
> me because I can't help with that...
Sorry, they got KOZT too (see my other posting).
As it all comes crashing down, there might be zero stations left by the
time my webpage reaches its 10th anniversary next year....
I'd think the good doctor would be a natural for college stations, at
least in so far as content goes.
But then I haven't been in reception range of a broadcast since I was
in college, twenty years ago.
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
"Thomas Stillabower" <> wrote in ...
Somehow I think a lot of people came up with the VCR approach, but I'll
bet I'm the only one who did what I did back around 1979-80...took two
60-minute 8-track tapes and modified the shells so that one would feed
the other...result, one mutant 8-track with both twice the running
length and twice the *physical* length (looked like a "long case",
except that the cartridge was actually that long)....
Worked too, for about two or three plays...the extra weight that far
back from the business end meant it had a tendency to sag in the player
and throw off the tracking something awful....r
Still have the VCR, although it now has a bad habit of refusing to
eject the tape, so its been retired. I keep it for sentimentla
Still record it that way (it's nice that the VCRs nowadays are
stereo). It's set for "same time each week", so I never have to worry
about setting the timer. As long as the patch cord is connected to
the stereo and the stereo's on the right station, I get the show.
Makes it a lot easier to deal with when I'm out of town.
I record from the video tape to cassette tapes. When I have enough
shows built up (eight, usually), I feed them into the computer,
convert to MP3s and burn a CD-ROM disc. I've got 80 or 90 of the
discs now...haven't missed a show since sometime in 2001.
>Do you have any contact information for Talonian? "Harder to contact
>than a monastery in a snowstorm", as another post put it....
I don't want to anger anyone working with the show as we continue
negoations by posting a private email address. As a result, I would
suggest that you contact Dr. D from his webpage at
I suspect anything submitted there is getting to the right people. Let
them know if you'd support hearing a current show on radio stations
that stream, and past shows being sold from the Dr. D site as a way of
additional income. If enough people let them know, maybe they will
listen to the fans of the program.
BTW, Krellan, the syndicator claims as of now, NO stations are
authorized to stream the show. I do know they've sent out updated
contracts to anyone still airing the show. The ONLY place to hear the
show is at www.drdemento.com
If you know differently, I'm sure they would love to hear from you ;)
-Ghastly Gary sez STAY DEMENTED!!!!!!!!!!
"Jason K" <ja...@q1520radio.com> wrote in message