Vince Gill and Amy Grant
Illin4me
>about "Uncle Vince" right now?
Better question is how do you think Amy and the kids feel about Gary's new
live-in girlfriend.?
ToHavUback
>live-in girlfriend.?
What? Gary has a girlfriend?
BTW..who has the kids?
Abbey Lillie
> live-in girlfriend.?
When did he get a new g/f?
Heath Seremet
and that's the reason for both divorces.
Coop
JLA wrote:
> Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free to
> remarry.
Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the wall?
Coop
MyPest
>I hope, for several reasons, that Gary hasn't got a live-in, and
>consider it unlikely as well. First, living together without marriage
>is a sin. Second, I've seen too many friends jump into another
>relationship after a painful divorce....not a good idea, not enough time
>to heal. Third, Gary has been the children's primary caretaker for a
>long time. I don't think he's so stupid as to jeopordize his custody
>arrangement.
>
>Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free to
>
>JLA
First of all unless you drew up the divorce papers you have no idea what it
was "caused " by. Everything I have heard is that the problems in the
Grant/Chapman marraige went on for years. Seems people want to jump to
conclusions about a relationship between Amy and Vince, and only blame them for
problems each had in their own marriages. Then when rumors start about Gary
possibly living with someone, the same people who believe.Amy and Vince
are/were involved jump to his defense.
Amy loves her kids. Gary loves them too. Vince thinks the sun rises and sets
with his daughter. I don't think any of them would do anything that would harm
their relationship with their children. Vince's divorce has been final for over
a year, and if the Grant/Chapman divorce isn't fina lyet, it is close to be.
Since they are all adults, and are human why can't you all just let them get on
with their lives ant let them be happy?
Mary Anne
Richard and Barbara Sherrill
things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... leave their
personal lives alone.....All this gossip shows that all of you have idle
minds ......... And starting up rumors show that you have nothing better to
do !
Barbara
JLA <takefl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7os3gb$b5c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <19990810173900...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
> illi...@aol.com (Illin4me) wrote:
> > >And talking about integrity - how do you think Gary and the kids feel
> > >about "Uncle Vince" right now?
> >
> > Better question is how do you think Amy and the kids feel about Gary's
> new
> > live-in girlfriend.?
> >
>
> I hope, for several reasons, that Gary hasn't got a live-in, and
> consider it unlikely as well. First, living together without marriage
> is a sin. Second, I've seen too many friends jump into another
> relationship after a painful divorce....not a good idea, not enough time
> to heal. Third, Gary has been the children's primary caretaker for a
> long time. I don't think he's so stupid as to jeopordize his custody
> arrangement.
>
> Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free to
> remarry. Just hope he takes his time and seeks the Lord's guidance.
>
> JLA
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Balecox
things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... <<<
Good point Barbara -- all the speculating does no one any good. At its
worst, it starts rumors that take on a life of their own and may lack even a
shred of truth.
Patsi
Coop
JLA wrote:
> In article <37B199DA...@udel.edu>,
> Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > JLA wrote:
> >
> > > Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free
> to
> > > remarry.
> >
> > Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the wall?
> >
> > Coop
> >
> I already said that I have friends who used to attend their church.
>
And this proves what. Your friends have small minds and big mouths?
Coop
Debbie Caudill
<bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
>Did you know that gossip is a sin also ... so instead of talking about
>things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... leave their
>personal lives alone.....All this gossip shows that all of you have idle
>minds ......... And starting up rumors show that you have nothing better to
>do !
>
Barb, do you have ESP? I was thinking the same thing when I read that
post and the ones before it....I think that people believe that when
they buy that CD, or that ticket to a concert that it gives them a
ticket into that artists private lives too...I realize that being
famous, they aren't going to have much privacy, but geez, people pry
into their lives too much.....maybe they'd be good writers for the
Natl Enquirer! LOL
Deb
You've got to know where you've been to know where
you're going...........
Richard and Barbara Sherrill
.. "Yes, She does"... long story .... that would be another thread... don't
think anyone would be interested in it ...
I got lucky on this thread ... I was tired when I wrote that and still made
sense... lol !!!!
An artist private life is just that and when they say its a private matter
than its just that... Some people feel, when a person finds fame and fortune
they feel that person no longer has a private life and they need to put them
under a microscope..
Everyone that has stated that Vince and Amy are a couple... or Gary has a
live in girlfriend has shown these 3 artist that, they don't respect
them..... All 3 have stated .. That their divorces and the reasons there of
... is a private matter and that should be good enough for any "true" fan of
these 3 artist.
These same people state things that aren't true and they just don't care...
Those that do this has no respect for the next person ... And in my own
opinion they don't even have respect for themselves...
I probly will be flamed for this and right now I just don't care....
Tomorrow, I may care ..but today is another story !
Barbara
Debbie Caudill <dcau...@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:37b8d1a3...@nntp.fuse.net...
Richard and Barbara Sherrill
otherwise.... the Christian thing to do is NOT talk about it ..... Amy, Gary
and Vince doesn't owe you any explanation .... that is strictly between them
and God, if there is anything on this matter to be answered for... God, will
cover all these basis with any of them when the time comes !!
Just because this is being discussed endlessly on the "Christian.Alt" group
doesn't mean it needs to be brought over here.... If Christianity is
discussing something that is NONE of our business, then I need to rethink
about being a Christian !
These same people that are stating that Christian Artist needs to be
accountable for their behavior needs to see that they live by the same
standards.. a Christian is a Christian...there are no special rules for you
if you are a Christian Artist, preacher or whatever.... we all are suppose
to live by the same rules.... No one is perfect and mistakes are made.... I
believe the people on the other newsgroup is bored and need something to
talk about and they don't mind by sinning by gossiping about others..... or
do they have different rules..... Don't think so ... take this garbage
elsewhere ..
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!
If you want to talk about Vince, Amy's and Gary's professional life then
lets get after it .... that is what this newsgroup is all about !
Sorry Ms Brat.. didn't mean to get away from the topic of country
music...but I am irritated by small minds today !
Barbara
JLA <takefl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7osofg$qoe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <37B1C12A...@udel.edu>,
> No, my friends used this situation as yet another example of the
> problems at their church.
>
> Their story was confirmed by a couple pilot buddies of mine. And by
> other sources as well.
>
> This isn't mindless gossip for gossip's sake. It's speaking up and
> saying that a Christian recording artist should be held to a Christian
> standard of behavior. Go check out alt.christnet.christianlife and see
> if the people there are "small-minded" or if they're raising legitimate
> questions.
Debbie Caudill
<bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
>Deb, you ask a certain artist in Nashville if I have ESP and he will tell ya
>.. "Yes, She does"... long story .... that would be another thread... don't
>think anyone would be interested in it ...
>I got lucky on this thread ... I was tired when I wrote that and still made
>sense... lol !!!!
>
>An artist private life is just that and when they say its a private matter
>than its just that... Some people feel, when a person finds fame and fortune
>they feel that person no longer has a private life and they need to put them
>under a microscope..
>
>Everyone that has stated that Vince and Amy are a couple... or Gary has a
>live in girlfriend has shown these 3 artist that, they don't respect
>them..... All 3 have stated .. That their divorces and the reasons there of
>... is a private matter and that should be good enough for any "true" fan of
>these 3 artist.
>
>These same people state things that aren't true and they just don't care...
>Those that do this has no respect for the next person ... And in my own
>opinion they don't even have respect for themselves...
>
>I probly will be flamed for this and right now I just don't care....
>Tomorrow, I may care ..but today is another story !
Very well put Barb...I believe the same way, and really, what
difference does it make what they do in their private lives? Long as
they keep putting out quality material and do the job then who
cares...I don't like Tracy Lawrence for his private life, I like the
guy for his music...his private life doesn't matter to me, long as he
keeps putting out the music I like! Am I making sense or is this sinus
headache finally blowing my brain up? I better go, cant' even think
right now.
ME
hypocritical.....the header told you what it was about. Common sense would
say it wasn't going to be about how great they both are, blah blah
blah.....you came because you were interested....You just can't admit it!
me
Richard and Barbara Sherrill wrote in message ...
>Did you know that gossip is a sin also ... so instead of talking about
>things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... leave their
>personal lives alone.....All this gossip shows that all of you have idle
>minds ......... And starting up rumors show that you have nothing better to
>do !
>
>Barbara
>JLA <takefl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:7os3gb$b5c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <19990810173900...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
>> illi...@aol.com (Illin4me) wrote:
>> > >And talking about integrity - how do you think Gary and the kids feel
>> > >about "Uncle Vince" right now?
>> >
>> > Better question is how do you think Amy and the kids feel about Gary's
>> new
>> > live-in girlfriend.?
>> >
>>
>> I hope, for several reasons, that Gary hasn't got a live-in, and
>> consider it unlikely as well. First, living together without marriage
>> is a sin. Second, I've seen too many friends jump into another
>> relationship after a painful divorce....not a good idea, not enough time
>> to heal. Third, Gary has been the children's primary caretaker for a
>> long time. I don't think he's so stupid as to jeopordize his custody
>> arrangement.
>>
>> Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free to
>> remarry. Just hope he takes his time and seeks the Lord's guidance.
>>
KJCSmith1
>
The key words here seem to be USED TO..if they used to go....that means they
ain't any more.
KJCSmith1
Yes it is considering that you are getting it second and possibly third
hand.....unless you hear it from the people invloved hence....Amy, Gary, and
Vince...then I would be careful what I believed and what I repeated.
KJCSmith1
>However, there are plenty of other eyewitnesses around town.
Like I said I would becareful of what I repeat considering that the information
did not come from the people involved.....when Amy, Gary, or Vince tell it then
I will believe it. But I have learned to take what others say with a grain of
salt. No one....but no one knows the truth except for Amy, Gary and Vince.
KJCSmith1
>personal life might meet with public disapproval, it's "gossip" "private
>matters" in short - mind your own business - but buy the new album.
Again....unless the information comes straight from Amy, Gary or Vince....it is
gossip. No one but those three know all the facts.
>Yet you just called us liars and tried a bit of amateur
>psychology at our expense.
I know this wasn't in response to my post...but just for the record I am not
calling anyone a liar.....just that no one but the three artists know all the
facts and know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That is why I stated
before that we have to be careful of what we say.
Richard and Barbara Sherrill
If Amy, Gary or Vince wants us to know anything about their private lives
they will tell us... How do we know ... your sources... you can just be
another troll that strolled on by !
Their private lives is off limits to us.. they let us know when they were
going through their divorces that "THIS IS A PRIVATE MATTER" ... you seem to
have a problem with that ...
Barbara
JLA <takefl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7oth3m$c39$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <v7ls3.4202$qu5.2...@news21b.ispnews.com>,
> "Richard and Barbara Sherrill" <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
> > Deb, you ask a certain artist in Nashville if I have ESP and he will
> tell ya
> > .. "Yes, She does"... long story .... that would be another thread...
> don't
> > think anyone would be interested in it ...
> > I got lucky on this thread ... I was tired when I wrote that and still
> made
> > sense... lol !!!!
> >
> > An artist private life is just that and when they say its a private
> matter
> > than its just that... Some people feel, when a person finds fame and
> fortune
> > they feel that person no longer has a private life and they need to
> put them
> > under a microscope..
>
> Amy has talked about parts of her personal life (including her marriage)
> in the past. Her fans supported her and bought her albums based on a
> carefully controlled image that had been created. Now that parts of her
> personal life might meet with public disapproval, it's "gossip" "private
> matters" in short - mind your own business - but buy the new album.
>
>
> > Everyone that has stated that Vince and Amy are a couple... or Gary
> has a
> > live in girlfriend has shown these 3 artist that, they don't respect
> > them..... All 3 have stated .. That their divorces and the reasons
> there of
> > ... is a private matter and that should be good enough for any "true"
> fan of
> > these 3 artist.
> >
>
> Excuse me, but you have NO PROOF that what a couple of us said was
> untrue or not. Yet you just called us liars and tried a bit of amateur
> psychology at our expense.
>
> > These same people state things that aren't true and they just don't
> care...
> > Those that do this has no respect for the next person ... And in my
> own
> > opinion they don't even have respect for themselves...
> >
> > I probly will be flamed for this and right now I just don't care....
> > Tomorrow, I may care ..but today is another story !
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> > Debbie Caudill <dcau...@fuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:37b8d1a3...@nntp.fuse.net...
> > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:32:08 -0000, "Richard and Barbara Sherrill"
> > > <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Did you know that gossip is a sin also ... so instead of talking
> about
> > > >things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... leave
> their
> > > >personal lives alone.....All this gossip shows that all of you have
> idle
> > > >minds ......... And starting up rumors show that you have nothing
> better
> > to
> > > >do !
> > > >
> > > Barb, do you have ESP? I was thinking the same thing when I read
> that
> > > post and the ones before it....I think that people believe that when
> > > they buy that CD, or that ticket to a concert that it gives them a
> > > ticket into that artists private lives too...I realize that being
> > > famous, they aren't going to have much privacy, but geez, people pry
> > > into their lives too much.....maybe they'd be good writers for the
> > > Natl Enquirer! LOL
> > >
> > > Deb
> > > You've got to know where you've been to know where
> > > you're going...........
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Richard and Barbara Sherrill
NOTHING to do with this mess this past year... go back and research....
People did actually talk about Vince and Amy professionally ... wow ...what
a concept....
But, if you feel its necessary to flame me.. go ahead... I am in too good of
a mood to let you ruin my day or any other day ..... have fun !
Barbara
ME <lk...@seaside.net> wrote in message news:93442665...@nnrp.gt.ca...
> Maybe if you don't like it, you shouldn't come and read it, now that is
> hypocritical.....the header told you what it was about. Common sense
would
> say it wasn't going to be about how great they both are, blah blah
> blah.....you came because you were interested....You just can't admit it!
>
> me
>
> Richard and Barbara Sherrill wrote in message ...
> >Did you know that gossip is a sin also ... so instead of talking about
> >things you DON'T have proof of ... talk about their music... leave their
> >personal lives alone.....All this gossip shows that all of you have idle
> >minds ......... And starting up rumors show that you have nothing better
to
> >do !
> >
> >Barbara
> >JLA <takefl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >news:7os3gb$b5c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> In article <19990810173900...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
> >> illi...@aol.com (Illin4me) wrote:
> >> > >And talking about integrity - how do you think Gary and the kids
feel
> >> > >about "Uncle Vince" right now?
> >> >
> >> > Better question is how do you think Amy and the kids feel about
Gary's
> >> new
> >> > live-in girlfriend.?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I hope, for several reasons, that Gary hasn't got a live-in, and
> >> consider it unlikely as well. First, living together without marriage
> >> is a sin. Second, I've seen too many friends jump into another
> >> relationship after a painful divorce....not a good idea, not enough
time
> >> to heal. Third, Gary has been the children's primary caretaker for a
> >> long time. I don't think he's so stupid as to jeopordize his custody
> >> arrangement.
> >>
> >> Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free to
> >> remarry. Just hope he takes his time and seeks the Lord's guidance.
> >>
> >> JLA
> >>
> >>
> >>
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>I already said that I have friends who used to attend their church.
So, basically, you are saying that you are basing your claims on hypocrites
that attend church for no more reason than to spread vindictive gossip about
people that they don't really have all the facts on?
>But if I've been a "fly on the wall" somewhere, let's just say it would
>be a hangar wall.
Bug spray? Anyone seen any bug spray?
Later,
~~ James Michael Randorff (jran...@aol.com)
~~ http://hometown.aol.com/jrandorff/index.html
"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world... she walks into
mine." -- The late, great, Humphrey Bogart, from "Casablanca"
James Michael Randorff
Hea...@webtv.net (Heath Seremet) writes:
>From what I've heard, Vince and Amy have been together for quite a while
>and that's the reason for both divorces.
No wonder you are such a fan of Dale Watson... you both talk trash about
people that you know nothing about (Dale about Garth, you about Vince and Amy).
Go figure.
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>Their story was confirmed by a couple pilot buddies of mine. And by
>other sources as well.
Man, I've heard "true" stories that say that LeAnn Rimes' first drummer after
she released "Blue" was fired because her dad caught them having sex in the
bus. I've also heard variations of this "confirmed" by others. HELLO!!! That
doesn't make it true.
>This isn't mindless gossip for gossip's sake. It's speaking up and
>saying that a Christian recording artist should be held to a Christian
>standard of behavior. Go check out alt.christnet.christianlife and see
>if the people there are "small-minded" or if they're raising legitimate
>questions.
Yes, and it's also not Christian to spread gossip that you don't know about.
How does that thing go? Something about bearing false witness against your
neighbor? If you don't know, firsthand, what happened, you are bearing false
witness.
A good idea would be to shut up and leave this to those that are involved in
the case... Amy and Gary.
Incidentally, I normally wouldn't go so far as to tell someone to not gossip
because it is not Christian... it is not my business to be imposing my faith
on someone else, unless they are interested (at which point, it becomes a bible
study). However, when someone starts trying to throw Christianity in
everyone's face as a justification for their actions, when their own actions
are so obviously non-Christian, I feel that something needs to be said.
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>Excuse me, but you have NO PROOF that what a couple of us said was
>untrue or not. Yet you just called us liars and tried a bit of amateur
>psychology at our expense.
Wait a sec here... no proof that what you said ISN'T true?!?!? That makes NO
sense!!! You said it, you have the burden of proof to bring forward.
C'mon... I could accuse you of being a closet Neo-Nazi, couldn't I? Would the
burden of proof then be on you to prove me wrong, or me to prove me right?
Duh!
James Michael Randorff
>Maybe if you don't like it, you shouldn't come and read it, now that is
>hypocritical.....the header told you what it was about. Common sense would
>say it wasn't going to be about how great they both are, blah blah
>blah.....you came because you were interested....You just can't admit it!
Interest and agreement are two different things. Yes, she was interested,
because she wanted to see what arrogant imbeciles were going to be saying
things that they knew nothing about.
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>First and second hand, but certainly not from Amy, Vince or Gary.
>However, there are plenty of other eyewitnesses around town. I
>personally know and respect the truthfulness of the people who told me
>things about this situation. Since they aren't willing to identify
>themselves in public, you don't have to believe what they say, and you
>don't even have to believe they exist. But just remember what was said
>when this story finally gets some non-tabloid media coverage.
Straight from the RMCW FAQ:
==========
...
Section 2: Clueless Newbie Statements (or "Somewhere out there, a village is
missing its idiot.")
If you catch yourself making any of these statements, rest assured that you
will probably get less respect than a Klan member at an NAACP meeting.
...
5) So and so is/isn't gay. My best friend told me and I trust him/her.
However, I can't reveal my source, because they want to remain anonymous.
You'll just have to trust me.
...
==========
Hmmmmm..... think about it.
Debbie Caudill
wrote:
>
>Amy has talked about parts of her personal life (including her marriage)
>in the past. Her fans supported her and bought her albums based on a
>carefully controlled image that had been created. Now that parts of her
>personal life might meet with public disapproval, it's "gossip" "private
>matters" in short - mind your own business - but buy the new album.
>
Why don't you try putting yourself in Amys place, would you want the
whole world knowing your personal problems and all about your life?
Would you want to live in the fishbowl? I dont' think so, not if your
honest with yourself. She let you know what she wanted to, if she
didnt' say it, she evidently didn't think you needed to know.
Debbie Caudill
Randorff) wrote:
>
>Yes, and it's also not Christian to spread gossip that you don't know about.
>How does that thing go? Something about bearing false witness against your
>neighbor? If you don't know, firsthand, what happened, you are bearing false
>witness.
>
>A good idea would be to shut up and leave this to those that are involved in
>the case... Amy and Gary.
>
>Incidentally, I normally wouldn't go so far as to tell someone to not gossip
>because it is not Christian... it is not my business to be imposing my faith
>on someone else, unless they are interested (at which point, it becomes a bible
>study). However, when someone starts trying to throw Christianity in
>everyone's face as a justification for their actions, when their own actions
>are so obviously non-Christian, I feel that something needs to be said.
Very well put! You put the hammer right on the head.
Coop
JLA wrote:
> In article <37B1C12A...@udel.edu>,
> Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > JLA wrote:
> >
> > > In article <37B199DA...@udel.edu>,
> > > Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > JLA wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is
> free
> > > to
> > > > > remarry.
> > > >
> > > > Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the
> wall?
> > > >
> > > > Coop
> > > >
> > > I already said that I have friends who used to attend their church.
> > >
> >
> > And this proves what. Your friends have small minds and big mouths?
> >
> > Coop
> >
> No, my friends used this situation as yet another example of the
> problems at their church.
>
Well, I can see that. There seems to be a lot of mindless gossip at the
church and it is obviously a problem.
> Their story was confirmed by a couple pilot buddies of mine. And by
> other sources as well.
>
Do they work at the National Enquirer or the Globe? Maybe it's a pizza
delivery driver.
Why don't you just stop selling gossip. People here aren't buying.
Coop
Barbara Sherrill
> >Yet you just called us liars and tried a bit of amateur
> >psychology at our expense.
>
Now where did anyone call you a liar... we are calling what you are saying
is gossip...
Now if one of the many industry folks that is in here, that knows MANY of
the artist personally come out and back your story up ... we will back
off...but so far.. none has done that ... Now why is that ? I am sure
several of the industry folk in here, knows the 3 in question in this
thread.....
Until it comes from Amy, Gary and Vince its gossip plain and simple.
Barb
Mary Smolkovich
wrote:
<< Do they work at the National Enquirer or the Globe? Maybe it's a
pizza delivery driver. >>
One thing's for sure, the pizza delivery
driver probably hasn't been at Vince's
place for a long time!! Vince has lost
close to 40 lbs and looks great!!
Maggie (who is quite proud of herself
for not directly responding to the Vince
and Amy gossip today........the so-called
"Christians" on Amy's NG have pretty
much decided to burn Vince and Amy at
the stake, and Gary is allowed to oogle
scantily clad women on tv, and make
tasteless remarks ("I thought I was the
single of the year"....on the ACM's).
Maggie :)
http://community.webtv.net/TNMAGGIESMOKE/MaggiesMusical
mslinda
>
> In article <26937-37B...@newsd-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> Hea...@webtv.net (Heath Seremet) writes:
>
> >From what I've heard, Vince and Amy have been together for quite a while
> >and that's the reason for both divorces.
>
> No wonder you are such a fan of Dale Watson... you both talk trash about
> people that you know nothing about (Dale about Garth, you about Vince and Amy).
> Go figure.
The last time I looked, we all have the right to express our opinion.
Dale is hardly the first traditional country fan to be less than charmed
by Garth's music.
Linda C.
ME
thought it was quite cute and funny. He obviously knew the divorce issue
was on people's minds and thought he might as well say something. It was
cute, not tasteless and it didn't hurt anyone, in my opinion.
I am a Christian, and I am not burning Amy and Vince at the stake, I feel
for all involved, well mainly the kids, but I think Amy, Vince and Gary, are
big enough to handle the mess they got themselves.
Me
Mary Smolkovich wrote in message
<15205-37...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>Oh, yes it does. Truth and lies are opposites, right? So if someone
>says I posted something that isn't true, that person is saying I posted
>a lie. That person can also prove I lied by proving that she knows the
>truth and it is the opposite of the "lie" I supposedly posted. I can
>see someone saying "unproven" in this case, but "untrue" was a poor
>choice of words.
OK, I can see what you are saying. So, basically, you weren't lying, you were
just making comments based on second and third-hand information that had no
guarantee of being true. I still say that the burden of proof lies upon you to
prove your statements true, or to retract and admit that you had no idea what
you were talking about.
Heath Seremet
consider it unlikely as well. First, living together without marriage is
I don't remember ever reading this in the Bible, but I could be wrong.
I do however remember the verse about "He who has not sinned, cast the
first stone." I had a live-in girlfriend for a year and a half. We
were very much in love, but not quite ready for marriage for several
reasons. I don't consider myself a bad person for this, nor do I think
I will burn in hell for it. Besides, any decisions made in my life and
the judgements passed against me are between me and my Lord. The same
goes for anyone else. I wish Mr. Chapman all the happiness in the
world. BTW, you didn't mention adultery.... Isn't that a sin?
-Heath
"I'm from the country.... and I like it that way!"
Heath Seremet
about people that you know nothing about (Dale about Garth, you about
Vince and Amy).
Go figure.>>
First of all, what has Dale said about Garth and what does that have to
do with anything? But I assume you don't know much about Dale, so in
your own words (refer to above statement). Besides, if you have a
problem with Dale, take it up with him. Second of all, you can call it
a rumour or gossip or whatever you like, but it's rather common
knowledge around here that Vince and Amy have been together for quite a
while. Personally, I could care less what they do. I didn't say it was
good or bad, nor did I make any judgements. I just stated what I
perceive to be fact. I don't see how stating a fact is "talking trash."
I'm sorry if my statements offended you, but if you don't like what you
hear, then don't listen.
Curli
KJCSmith1
>perceive to be fact. I don't see how stating a fact is "talking trash."
>I'm sorry if my statements offended you, but if you don't like what you
>hear, then don't listen.
just because you perceive it to be fact doesn't mean it is a fact. Like I have
said before unless you hear it from the three people invloved hence Amy Gary or
Vince...then take what you hear with a grain of salt....only those three know
all the facts
KJCSmith1
>for all involved, well mainly the kids, but I think Amy, Vince and Gary, are
>big enough to handle the mess they got themselves.
Same here. And besides know one knows all the facts......Unless these three
make a statement to give the facts then no one will know all the facts.
KJCSmith1
Don't mean to be rude....but DUHHHH!!! What do you think living together
before marriage is????? It is Adultery!!!!!
KJCSmith1
>says I posted something that isn't true, that person is saying I posted
>a lie. That person can also prove I lied by proving that she knows the
>truth and it is the opposite of the "lie" I supposedly posted. I can
>see someone saying "unproven" in this case, but "untrue" was a poor
>choice of words.
Isn't something untrue until it is proven true?? Not saying anyone is a
liar....just saying NO ONE has ALL the facts....therefore unelss the parties
involved make comment (Amy, Gary, and Vince) and give the facts anything else
is rumors or assumptions.....and everything is unfounded or untrue....unless
you got the information from these three themselves.
Ray Zuniga
KJCSmith1 <kjcs...@aol.com> wrote:
>Don't mean to be rude....but DUHHHH!!! What do you think living together
>before marriage is????? It is Adultery!!!!!
Actually for it to be considered adultery, at least one of the persons
involved has to be married.
http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?isindex=adultery&method=exact
elen
*none * of our business.
I have enough to do carrying my own bags, and have enough to be
concerned about within my own family, without speculating or getting
caught up in the private lives of strangers.
elen
KJCSmith1
As a Christian I am concerned......and what kind of person are we if we don't
care about others. Jesus commanded us to love one another as He loved us.
Also we are to carry one anothers burdens and pray for each other. I didn't
realize praying for someones family was being caught up in the their private
lives. Gee then I am caught up in a lot people lives because there are alot of
people I pray for daily.
KJCSmith1
>involved has to be married.
Can you give where it says that in the Bible??? Because according to scripture
the woman at the well was not married to the man she was living with....and
Jesus considered it adultery.......cause you see if it wasn't a sin then why
would he tell her to go and sin no more...and no he wasn't talking about past
he was talking about present.
remain.com
> >Oh, yes it does. Truth and lies are opposites, right? So if someone
> >says I posted something that isn't true, that person is saying I posted
> >a lie.
> Isn't something untrue until it is proven true
Not So!! Lots of things cannot be proven, but that certainly doesn't
mean that they are not true.
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James R. DeLoach
mine or your business. This seems to be the american way now days.
30 or 40 years ago, Amy would be called a whore if she and Vince were
sleeping together, but now days, it's acceptable behavior, if they
are, but it's still their business.
Who you or I sleep with or screw is nobodys business but ours.
How you or I dress is also nobodys business. In show business
the scantily clad a woman dresses, the better chance she has
of getting ahead. Watch the miss america pageants, the big music
shows and events where they change clothes often, it's obvious
most of the women aren't wearing bras because you can see their
nipples thru their dresses or blouses. If they happen to be wearing
white, you can see the brown around their nipples on their breast.
If you only new, they probably aren't wearing panties either. The
younger ones like Tanya Tucker or Lorrie Morgan are probably
wearing thongs or "G" strings. These two are known to be screwing
around but it's still their business.
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:25:11 -0500 (CDT), TNMAGG...@webtv.net
(Mary Smolkovich) wrote:
>co...@udel.edu (Coop)
>wrote:
>
><< Do they work at the National Enquirer or the Globe? Maybe it's a
>pizza delivery driver. >>
>
>One thing's for sure, the pizza delivery
>driver probably hasn't been at Vince's
>place for a long time!! Vince has lost
>close to 40 lbs and looks great!!
>
>Maggie (who is quite proud of herself
>for not directly responding to the Vince
>and Amy gossip today........the so-called
>"Christians" on Amy's NG have pretty
>much decided to burn Vince and Amy at
>the stake, and Gary is allowed to oogle
>scantily clad women on tv, and make
>tasteless remarks ("I thought I was the
>single of the year"....on the ACM's).
>
>Maggie :)
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/TNMAGGIESMOKE/MaggiesMusical
Regards,
James (jdel...@worldnet.att.net)
PGP Key ID: 0xC6823947
KJCSmith1
>Who you or I sleep with or screw is nobodys business but ours.
Afraid that God would disagree with you big time one those statements!!!!
James Michael Randorff
writes:
>The last time I looked, we all have the right to express our opinion.
>Dale is hardly the first traditional country fan to be less than charmed
>by Garth's music.
I didn't say that anyone didn't have the right to express their opinion,
Linda... you've read enough of my posts to know that if anyone thinks people
should have the right to express their opinion, it's me. I was simply drawing
a comparison between Heath and one of the men that he seems to admire so
greatly.
Balecox
concerned about within my own family, without speculating or getting
caught up in the private lives of strangers.
elen
>>
Ain't that the damn truth! Good point.
Patsi
Balecox
I can't really picture Jesus outraged on the internet & gossiping about some
singer's divorce.
Patsi
KJCSmith1
>
>
>I can't really picture Jesus outraged on the internet & gossiping about some
>singer's divorce
What has loving each other as Jesus commanded got to do with the internet &
gossiping???
Sorry but he did command us to love one another as he loved us??? And putting
someone down is not loving them is it?? If you have a problem with Jesus'
command to love one another....take it up with him. But I will pray and love
those invloved in this situation until he leads me to do otherwise. And if
you have ever read any of my posts......I have not gossiped about them. What I
have said is that no one knows all the facts except for those invloved in the
divorce.
KJCSmith1
>caught up in the private lives of strangers.
>
>elen
> >>
>
>Ain't that the damn truth! Good point.
Again don't see how praying for someone's family is being caught up in their
private lives....but will contintue to pray for these until God leads me to
quit.
Mosaic
according to country america mag he's dating ashley judd
James Michael Randorff
(KJCSmith1) writes:
>Can you give where it says that in the Bible??? Because according to
scripture
>the woman at the well was not married to the man she was living with....and
>Jesus considered it adultery.......cause you see if it wasn't a sin then why
>would he tell her to go and sin no more...and no he wasn't talking about past
>he was talking about present.
Nooooo.... actually, if it is pre-marital sex, it is called "fornication," not
"adultery." Still a sin, but the term is different.
James Michael Randorff
(KJCSmith1) writes:
>Don't mean to be rude....but DUHHHH!!! What do you think living together
>before marriage is????? It is Adultery!!!!!
Even though it is not common, it does happen that couples will live together
without having sex, before they get married, just to make certain that things
will work out alright when they do get married.
Just wanted to point out that there is a world of difference between "living
together" and "sleeping together."
James Michael Randorff
Hea...@webtv.net (Heath Seremet) writes:
>Second of all, you can call it
>a rumour or gossip or whatever you like, but it's rather common
>knowledge around here that Vince and Amy have been together for quite a
>while. Personally, I could care less what they do. I didn't say it was
>good or bad, nor did I make any judgements. I just stated what I
>perceive to be fact. I don't see how stating a fact is "talking trash."
>I'm sorry if my statements offended you, but if you don't like what you
>hear, then don't listen.
First of all, you're right, I don't know much about Dale... I was drawing a
comparison between two people that apparently don't seem to know how to speak
only of what they know, instead of what they "believe" to be true. You claim
that it is common knowledge... I am not saying that it is true or untrue. Let
me ask you this... have you ever seen Vince and Amy together, romantically?
Holding hands in the park? Sitting in the back row of a theatre? Perhaps you
saw them in bed through a crack in the window blinds? Oh, wait... you are
just going on what you heard? Amazing... and here I was, thinking that you
knew what you were talking about.
KJCSmith1
>together" and "sleeping together."
According to God's word it is still wrong!! If you have a problem with it take
it up with God he wrote the instruction book not me.
KJCSmith1
>not
>"adultery." Still a sin, but the term is different.
Like I said if you have problem with God's word take it up on him.....either
way it is wrong....He wrote the instructions
James R. DeLoach
Why all of the sudden has christianity and god come in to play
with Vince Gill and Amy Grant? I wasn't aware that either was
a person of the cloth. They are two human beings, doing what
human beings do. Why are they being put on such a plato
above all other country singers. These two are no different
than all the other singers. Why have these two been singled out?
These two are not the only singers to ever fall for each other.
Open your eyes people. Get your heads out of the sand.
Maybe what their doing is not per mine or your beliefs, but
things are different now than they were 30 or 40 years ago.
These two DON'T OWE ANYONE AN APPLOGY. IF YOU DON'T
LIKE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS,
DON'T BUY THEIR MUSIC OR COME TO THEIR CONCERTS.
KJCSmith1
>with Vince Gill and Amy Grant?
UHHHHH....cause Amy is a Christian.....never said they were a person of the
cloth.
If you bother to read my posts....it plainly states that God holds us all to
the same standard!!
!>things are different now than they were 30 or 40 years ago.
>
But God's view has not changed!!!
>These two DON'T OWE ANYONE AN APPLOGY.
Again please read all of my posts....Never said they owe anyone an apology!!!!!
Stated NO ONE KNOWS all the facts excpet those involoved.
mslinda
>
> Really, why should any of us be concerned, interested , or care. It's
> *none * of our business.
> caught up in the private lives of strangers.
>
> elen
That's a nice little pink thought, but if we weren't interested in the
lives of country stars, we probably wouldn't be reading this NG in the
first place.
Linda C.
mslinda
>
> >>>That's a nice little pink thought, but if we weren't interested in the
> lives of country stars, we probably wouldn't be reading this NG in the
> first place.<<<<
>
> releases I might have missed. I couldn't care less who's getting a divorce.
>
> P.
But as long as artists write songs inspired by their personal lives, the
private and the public will overlap.
Linda C.
Heath Seremet
<<According to God's word it is still wrong!! If you have a problem with
it take it up with God he wrote the instruction book not me.>>
Let me ask you something: do you want to discuss country music or are
you just here to pass judgement on people? Whether or not Vince, Amy,
or Gary are wrong for anything they've done is not for you to judge.
Whether or not I or anyone else in this NG, or anyone else in the world
has had pre-marital sex, lived with someone before marriage, ever
committed adultery, drinks, smokes, swears, lies, or sleeps with farm
animals is none of your freakin' business! What God perceives as wrong
and whether or not someone will be forgiven for their sins is only for
Him to judge and unless you sit at the right hand of God, which I'm sure
you do not, then you don't know for sure what He thinks. I happen to
have a wonderful relationship with God. He has blessed me in many ways
and never once have I felt that I shall be condemned for the "grave,
unspeakable acts" I have committed. If you feel that I will, or Amy and
Vince will, or anyone else will, then that is your problem. Let these
people (and myself) work it out with the Lord and you can worry about
your own sins, unless of course you're perfect.
However, If you would like to discuss music, then please do so. But if
you, or any other religious zealot who is hovering in this NG wants to
judge myself or anyone else for what they've done, then get lost! Go
find Jimmie Swaggart and the two of you can sit around and talk about
the end of the world and holy damnation and how all of us sinners will
rot in hell, along with the jews, fags, and anyone else you would like
to condemn. I would like to get back to discussing music!
'Nuff said. Ya'll can have the soap box back now to do with as you
please!
-Heath
"I'm from the country.... and I like it that way!"
Balecox
KJCSmith1
>you just here to pass judgement on people?
Haven't passed judgement on anyone.....just stating what God's word says
.>Whether or not Vince, Amy,
>or Gary are wrong for anything they've done is not for you to
AGain haven't judged obviouslly you have not read any previous posts where I
stated no one knows the truth but these three. I haven't said they have done
anything wrong.....because I dont' know all the facts....in fact no one does
>What God perceives as wrong
>and whether or not someone will be forgiven for their sins is only for
>Him to judge
Again obviously you have never read all my posts just snips that people have
posted from them.............that is what I have said that God is their
judge......God however does say that we will be judged with the same measure we
have judged others......
> I happen to
>have a wonderful relationship with God. He has blessed me in many ways
>and never once have I felt that I shall be condemned for the "grave,
>unspeakable acts" I have committed. If you feel that I will, or Amy and
>Vince will, or anyone else will,
I am glad you have a wonderful relationship with God. Again you do not read my
posts......I never said they would be condemened......Please people learn to
read the posts in whole.....not just snips that people respond.....because what
this person is saying that he thinks I said....I never said any of
it........What I did say is that no one knows all the facts......that God is
their judge......Gee for someone who doesn't think I ought to judge.....I
really think you need to practice what you are preaching.
Again Heath read my posts in whole.....not just snips that people respond
to..........If you would do that.....you see that I said basically the same
thing you did....but in a whole lot less judgemental way.....and without the
name calling. I am not the one that started the subject on Vince and Amy.
Never said anyone would rot in hell......
Pamela Beasley
>
> JLA wrote:
>
> > In article <37B199DA...@udel.edu>,
> > Coop <co...@udel.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > JLA wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free
> > to
> > > > remarry.
> > >
> > > Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the wall?
> > >
> > > Coop
> > >
> > I already said that I have friends who used to attend their church.
> >
>
> And this proves what. Your friends have small minds and big mouths?
>
> Coop
It proves that the people in her church are gossips, too.
PB
elen
mslinda wrote:
> elen wrote:
> >
> > Really, why should any of us be concerned, interested , or care. It's
> > *none * of our business.
> > I have enough to do carrying my own bags, and have enough to be
> > concerned about within my own family, without speculating or getting
> > caught up in the private lives of strangers.
> >
> > elen
>
> That's a nice little pink thought, but if we weren't interested in the
> lives of country stars, we probably wouldn't be reading this NG in the
> first place.
>
> Linda C.
That's not why I'm here--but then I've never read a supermarket tabloid
either.
Elen
SinginCJ
>> > >
>> > > > Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free
>> > to
>> > > > remarry.
> Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the wall?
That actually is from a passage in the Bible, the quote is from Jesus. I would
expand but it has nothing to do with Country Music.
CJ
P.S. If you would like to know where that quote is, e-mail me.
Barbara Sherrill
when some couples do in seperate bedrooms was a sin... Please tell us
exactly the verse in the Bible this is stated......
Barbara
KJCSmith1 wrote in message <19990814184936...@ng-fd1.aol.com>...
>>Just wanted to point out that there is a world of difference between
"living
>>together" and "sleeping together."
>
KJCSmith1
>pompous pronouncements on what was supposedly said in an agricultural society
I have neither nag or have been pompous...if you have problem with God's word
take it up with Him. All I have done is state the Bible for people who "yell
don't judge your not the judge" YOu people need to take your own advice. Just
because I live my life according to God's word doesn't make me right or you
wrong....I am just doing what I feel God leads me to do...if you don't agree
that is fine......everyone has their own opionons people keep telling this so
called newsgroup is for expressing their opinon that is all I am doing and yet
it seems everyone has a right to their opinon except me......don't care what
you think....could careless if you agree with me or not....the only one I am
concerned about pleaseing is my Savior.
KJCSmith1
>who could care less what "your savior" thinks, live our lives accoring to
>our
>own perception of right and wrong.
Never said you should do anything different!!!!! I wish you people would quit
reading things in to my post that aren't there.
>We
>can do just fine without listening to how "your savior" would judge the rest
>of
> humankind
And one day you just might wish you had listened.
>After all, there are probably a lot of people on this newsgroup who share a
>savior, rather than have one who apparently speaks only to them, and they
>don't
>preach to us constantly.
Again you reading something into the post that was not said......And I never
said that he only speaks to me!!!!!! Take a chill pill!!!!! But then usually
the people that God is conviciting of something (you notice I did not say
you!!) are the ones that take offense to anything said about Him or His word.
As *people* keep saying the are free to express their opinons on this newsgroup
so I am!!! And I will continue to post whatever is in my heart so just grow up
and deal with the fact that I have as much right to my thoughts and opinons as
you do. Nor have I preached......stating what the Bible says on a subject
isn't preaching!!!
James Michael Randorff
(KJCSmith1) writes:
Actually, I was correcting you, as you were misstating God's word.
James Michael Randorff
(KJCSmith1) writes:
>>Just wanted to point out that there is a world of difference between "living
>>together" and "sleeping together."
>
>According to God's word it is still wrong!! If you have a problem with it
>take it up with God he wrote the instruction book not me.
Please, point out the verse where God instructs us to not live together, even
if we are not having sex.
Oh, what's that... you can't? Didn't think so.
Barbara Sherrill
Barb
Rockabi101 wrote in message
<19990815165849...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>>I have neither nag or have been pompous...if you have problem with God's
word
>take it up with Him. All I have done is state the Bible for people who
"yell
>don't judge your not the judge" YOu people need to take your own advice.
Just
>because I live my life according to God's word doesn't make me right or you
>wrong....I am just doing what I feel God leads me to do...if you don't
agree
>that is fine......everyone has their own opionons people keep telling this
so
>called newsgroup is for expressing their opinon that is all I am doing and
yet
>it seems everyone has a right to their opinon except me......don't care
what
>you think....could careless if you agree with me or not....the only one I
am
>concerned about pleaseing is my Savior.
>>
>>
>Fine, then keep it between you and "your saviour." Let the rest of us,
many
>who could care less what "your savior" thinks, live our lives accoring to
our
>own perception of right and wrong.
>
>What "your savior" thinks may be, and obviously is, important to you. But,
I
>can guarantee it doesn't really matter to the vast majority of the world.
We
>can do just fine without listening to how "your savior" would judge the
rest of
> humankind - that is, unless he's a big fan of country music. If he is,
let
>him post his own opinions on the webpage - we'd love to hear them - but
please,
>let "your savior" keep any opinions on other topics between you and him.
Barbara Sherrill
newsgroup ... Please keep your threads at that..... I would talk country
music with you till I turn blue...but this thread has gotten out of hand !
Barbara
KJCSmith1 wrote in message <19990815173657...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>>Fine, then keep it between you and "your saviour." Let the rest of us,
many
>>who could care less what "your savior" thinks, live our lives accoring to
>>our
>>own perception of right and wrong.
>
>
>Never said you should do anything different!!!!! I wish you people would
quit
>reading things in to my post that aren't there.
>
>>We
>>can do just fine without listening to how "your savior" would judge the
rest
>>of
>> humankind
>
>And one day you just might wish you had listened.
>
>>After all, there are probably a lot of people on this newsgroup who share
a
>>savior, rather than have one who apparently speaks only to them, and they
>>don't
>>preach to us constantly.
>
KJCSmith1
What about the verse where he told the woman at the well that man she was
living with was not her husband......He then told her to go and sin no
more.....it said nothing of them sleeping together....but living
together.......Try reading John 4:17-18....it says the man living with is not
her husband...doesn't say they are sleeping together.
akel...@my-deja.com
rocka...@aol.com (Rockabi101) wrote:
> >I am a Christian, and I am not burning Amy and Vince at the stake, I
feel for
> all involved, well mainly the kids, but I think Amy, Vince and Gary,
are big
> enough to handle the mess they got themselves.
> >
> >
> Two people who care for each other end up with each other - would
that we all
> could get in such a mess.
Oh yeah, and the odd man out - the one who got cheated on - is left
alone after years of putting his own interests aside to raise their
kids. I think that's a mess. A mess caused by the two cheaters. I only
hope he finds someone worth his love -- soon.
>
>
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akel...@my-deja.com
illi...@aol.com (Illin4me) wrote:
> >And talking about integrity - how do you think Gary and the kids feel
> >about "Uncle Vince" right now?
>
> Better question is how do you think Amy and the kids feel about
Gary's new
> live-in girlfriend.?
Why is THAT the better question? If we are to believe sources that say
Gary has gone on with his life and found someone (after his wife dumped
him), the same kinds of sources say Amy's been foolin' around with
Vince FOREVER!
KJCSmith1
>music with you till I turn blue...but this thread has gotten out of hand !
>
Again I am not the one ;that started this thread!!!!!!!
Heath Seremet
<<.the only one I am concerned about pleaseing is my Savior.>>
Exactly and my Savior doesn't have a problem with me living with someone
to whom I am not married, but apparently you do. I have read your posts
in full, including the NUMEROUS times you've said, "No one knows the
truth but Vince, Amy and Gary." The part that bothers me is you saying
that living with someone to whom you are not married is a sin. That's
when you're being judgemental and I take it personally.
Also, other than the words that came directly from Jesus' mouth, the
Good Book was mostly written by "prophets" and common men. Many of
these men added their own "spin" to God's word. While the main core of
Christianity remains in tact (The Ten Commandments, etc.), many of these
writings are dated. Keep in mind that slavery is regarded as an
acceptable practice throughout the Bible. Many things that were
perceived as acceptable 2000 years ago are not today and vice-versa.
Also, and I don't mean to doubt or discredit God's word, so please don't
misunderstand, many different people have many different ways of
interpreting the Bible. Some take it literally, some see it as one big
parable, etc.
All I'm saying is, let's not be so strict about right and wrong. There
are plenty of grey areas in life. Let the chips fall where they may and
the Lord will sort it out, but I for one do not need you to interpret
the Bible for me or tell me what is right and wrong.
Heath Seremet
was living with was not her husband......He then told her to go and sin
no more.....it said nothing of them sleeping together....but living
together.......Try reading John 4:17-18....it says the man living with
is not her husband...doesn't say they are sleeping together.>>
Here's another point: there are many different versions of the Bible.
Some are paraphrased, then there's King James, etc. I bring this up
because of the three versions I have, none mentions "living with." They
all say the man you now have. To quote the King James version, "and he
whom thou now hast is not thy husband." "To have" could mean to "sleep
with." It seems you interpret it to mean "to live with, or does your
version actually say this? It also says this woman had 5 husbands!
Most importantly, no where does it say "go and sin no more." In fact
Jesus doesn't mention the word "sin" at all. Again, you are misquoting
the word of God. Please read John 4 and get your facts straight.
Heath Seremet
seeing Ashley Judd. IF this is true, I don't feel so sorry for him.
MyPest
>From: akel...@my-deja.com
>Date: Mon, 16 August 1999 01:58 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7p9jgb$f5p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <19990813073407...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
> rocka...@aol.com (Rockabi101) wrote:
>> >I am a Christian, and I am not burning Amy and Vince at the stake, I
>feel for
>> all involved, well mainly the kids, but I think Amy, Vince and Gary,
>are big
>> enough to handle the mess they got themselves.
>> >
>> >
>> Two people who care for each other end up with each other - would
>that we all
>> could get in such a mess.
>
>
>Oh yeah, and the odd man out - the one who got cheated on - is left
>alone after years of putting his own interests aside to raise their
>kids. I think that's a mess. A mess caused by the two cheaters. I only
>hope he finds someone worth his love -- soon.
>>
>>
>
>
And how do you know that Amy was cheating on Gary? Maybe it was the other way
around. And maybe Janis was the one that cheated on Vince. Maybe Vince and
Amy have been just friends until just recently, drawn closer together because
each had to deal with a painful end to a marriage they thought would last
forever. Maybe they are the ones who were hurt and sought comfort in each other
because their spouses chose others over them. People are so quick to blame
without knowing what really happened.
KJCSmith1
>with." It seems you interpret it to mean "to live with, or does your
>version actually say this? It also says this woman had 5 husbands!
>
No, I have many versions of the Bible as my husband is a pastor. In one of the
version he has it says living with.......and in hte same version it says go and
sin no more!!! No I am not misquoting....just using a different version that
what you apparently have!!! You please read and get your facts straight
also. I have read it many times!!!!! And in several different versions!!!!!
AGain I am not the one that started this thread!!!!! It was started long
before I joined this newgroup.....just wish you people would learn to read the
orginal posts in context not just snips that people respond to!!!!!!!!
KJCSmith1
>to whom I am not marrie
Looks like someone one needs to spend more time reading God's word!!! If you
consciense is fine with it so be it!!!!!!! So take it personally...don't
really care!!!!!
You live your life however you wish.....I choose to live my as "MY Savior says"
I wasn't interperting the Bible for you.....I was stating my opinon you know
the one you say everyone is free to express unless of course it happens to
disagree with yours then everyone is wrong and you are right!!!
Bottom line is We all will stand before God and answer for our
actions!!!!!!!!!!! Just because my view doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean
you are right and I am wrong or visa versa!!!! Take a chill pill Heath!!!!!!!!
Balecox
what you apparently have!!! <<<
Then has it ever occured to you that there are many VERSIONS of the Bible?
P.
elen
KJCSmith1 wrote:
> >Then has it ever occured to you that there are many VERSIONS of the Bible?
> >
>
> Well DUHHHHHHH!!! If you had read my complete post you would have seen that I
> stated I have several different versions of the Bible because my husband was a
> pastor and used many different versions!! Like I keep saying please read ;my
> entire posts in context not just portions that people respond to!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Take a chill pill!!!
Why not take this discussion to alt.religion.bible studies.
Elen
KJCSmith1
SinginCJ
We need to let this go and talk about country music again. If you feel the
need to continue this thread, please do so in personal e-mails. I keep
expecting to see something about Vince Gill or Amy Grant when I open this
thread, but it keeps opening up to a shouting match. Please, try to simmer
down a bit.
CJ (who has NEVER used the phrase "simmer down" before and never will again)
Heath Seremet
divorce simply because their partner had an affair. Millions of people
do, and manage to rebuild a strong marriage. Now, falling in love with
someone else, that may well be a reason for divorce. If my spouse found
someone she loved more, I'd rather she should go with that person than
stay me. >>
---------------------------
Who are these miillions of people who have affairs and manage to rebuild
strong marriages? Do you know them personally? Speak for yourself
maybe, but if I were married or even dating someone and they screwed
someone else -- see ya! You said "simply because their partner had an
affair." "Simply?" I didn't realize it was so common place. I was
under the assumption that anyone who was married would be pretty upset
if their spouse cheated on them. Sorry if I was wrong.
Heath Seremet
read 3 versions of the Bible today and none of them said, "go and sin no
more." All that means is that we have different versions. This just
proves my point that the Good Book is not always to be taken literally
as there are many different versions and obviously some don't even
contain the same text. You are certainly free to believe your
interpretation, just as I am free to believe mine. Live and let live.
End of story. Now could we please move on? God bless.
Heath Seremet
the one you say everyone is free to express unless of course it happens
to disagree with yours then everyone is wrong and you are right!!!>>
What are you talking about? I never said anyone was right or wrong, you
did! You said that living with someone to whom you are not married is
wrong. You even called it adultery, which it isn't.
<<Just because my view doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean you are
right and I am wrong or visa versa!!!!>>
This is exactly what I've been saying! You are the one who said it was
wrong to live with someone to whom you are not married. This is your
interpretation. Mine is different. If I want God's word, I can get it
from the Bible or my own pastor. I don't need your interpretations of
the Bible, or what is printed in your many versions crammed down my
throat constantly. Please move on to a different subject.
countr...@webtv.net
reading them.....until now....
I can't understand why this has gone from
discussing country music to religious beliefs.
It's none of our business what any of these
artists do OFF stage. Who they marry,
play around with or whatever is none of
anybody's business. IMHO, you all have
wasted more time on preaching to each
other than anything else!
Here's a refreshing idea......why not discuss
what a great performer and songwriter
Vince Gill is? What a beautiful voice he
has? How about Amy Grant? Nice voice
there too. Gary Chapman? He can be
funny; he's written some nice songs as well.
Janice Gill? Great performer in her own right.
Sweethearts of the Rodeo is a great duo.
Now, any intelligent posts from James, Linda
or Patsi on the PROFESSIONAL aspects of
these artists would be welcome by me.
I always enjoy reading your opinions on artists.
Anybody wanting to tell me how to be a christian or giving me "sources"
on who is sleeping with who, don't bother responding.
Heath Seremet
has, IMHO, a strange set of priorities.>>
This does not even merit a response, but I am so appalled that I will
give one anyway. Glad it's just your humble opinion because I don't
know of anyone who feels this way. If the majority of the world thinks
the way you do, like you claim, then it's a pretty sorry place to live,
IMHO!!!!
Debbie Caudill
>>I didn't realize it was so common place. I was under the assumption that
>anyone who was married would be pretty upset if their spouse cheated on them.
>Sorry if I was wrong.
>>
>>
>Yes, I do think you're wrong. After reading your note I decided to count the
>number I know of personally. I came up with 11. That, mind you, is the number
>of which I'm aware. I'm sure there must be others of which I'm not aware.
>
>Anyone who puts sexual fidelity that high on their list of priorities has,
>IMHO, a strange set of priorities.
>
>
That has to be the most ignorant thing I've read on here yet! Of
course anyone in a normal relationship is going to put sexual fidelity
high up there on the list or priorities...It's a matter of trust. Not
to mention the fact that all those diseases are out there, I would
hope my husband wouldn't put my life in jeopardy like that. You must
know a pretty open group of people is about all I can say.
You've got to know where you've been to know where
you're going...........
Coop
SinginCJ wrote:
> > JLA wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Since the divorce was over Amy's adultery with Vince - Gary is free
> >> > to
> >> > > > remarry.
>
> > Did the Lord tell you this personally or are you a fly on the wall?
>
> That actually is from a passage in the Bible, the quote is from Jesus. I would
> expand but it has nothing to do with Country Music.
> CJ
> P.S. If you would like to know where that quote is, e-mail me.
My response to JLA is based on my objection to the assumption that Amy and Vince
had an affair which caused the marriage to break up. That rumor has been around
for years and has never been proven. You have to wonder how much the pressure of
public scrutiny and constant innuendo played a role in their marriage. Must have
been very hard.
Coop
Barbara Sherrill
ago).... we fought it out and made it work and I thank God that we did... he
has been my strength this past year with daddy's illness and I have been his
strength with him facing his .....
It really depends on the people and if they really want to make something
work after something goes wrong... So many are willing to throw it out the
door after one cheats, and I know many that wish they stuck it out and I
know many that did and their marriages are as strong as the one that I am in
....
By the way we will be celebrating our 18th Anniversary on Sunday and I am
going to cherish every moment of it !
Barbara
Rockabi101 wrote in message
<19990817072939...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
SinginCJ
>My response to JLA is based on my objection to the assumption that Amy and
>Vince
>had an affair which caused the marriage to break up. That rumor has been
>around
>for years and has never been proven. You have to wonder how much the
>pressure of
>public scrutiny and constant innuendo played a role in their marriage. Must
>have
>been very hard.
>
>Coop
>
I don't doubt that at all. The paranoia of hearing the rumors alone must have
been killer. I was just pointing out that it is written in the bible that the
only acceptable remarry situation is in the case of divorce for marital
infidelity. I have no idea why Amy and Gary divorced, nor do I care. =)
CJ
KJCSmith1
>interpretation, just as I am free to believe mine.
If you had bothered to read my entire post....I had already said this!!!!!!!!