Garth gone over the edge?
Richard Evans
Just heard a news story that G. Brooks is offering to put on a concert
or stage a charity event if the NCAA has a championship football game
this year.
Yes -- it's a noble cause (FSU can beat anybody on a good day), but
does he really think he can make a difference *this* year? It's a lost
cause. Maybe he is trying to influence future championships (which the
NCAA is planning to address anyway).
With his concern for world hunger and such you'd think Garth would only
be upset at the money squandered on football in the united states.
I'd love to know how high the horse Brooks thinks he rides is.
-- richard
Linda B. Gordon
We must remember that Mr. Brooks has a marketing degree. Garth's plans for
this concert come from, I'm sure, the same love of self promotion that was
apparent in an interview from a Ft. Worth newspaper (I think it was Ft. Worth)
that was reprinted in my local paper. Garth believes he deserves a tribute
album of his own. He said in the interview that he'd like to hear Bonnie Raitt
sing We Shal Be Free. I'm sure she was thrilled. How about tribute albums to
Dolly, Emmylou, Johnny, the Carter Family and the Weavers before the Master
of Marketing. Does anyone still wonder why he wears such a big hat? I'm surprised he can find one that fits. :)
Ted Samsel
: We must remember that Mr. Brooks has a marketing degree. Garth's plans for
Dern Okies. Trying to act like Texans again. (;-)
--
Ted Samsel....tejas@infi.net.com/bh...@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu...
"driving a Hudson Hornet on the information superhighway"
JASON NICHOLS
te...@infi.net (Ted Samsel) writes:
>Linda B. Gordon (ed...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>: We must remember that Mr. Brooks has a marketing degree.
Garth is the man. He has the best product coming out of
Nashville today. His music is as good as anyone else's, but the
feeling, message(s), storyline, and creativity he puts into his
songs cannot be matched. Granted, that a few other artists have
a song every now and then that competes, but none do it
consistently. The majority of Garth's songs are not about
getting crunk, or losing your girlfriend, like most country
(especially, the so called classics). I used to detest country,
but I grew to like it when I gave it a chance. But I never have
liked liking what everyone else likes, and since Garth was (and
still is) the biggest name in country music at the time, i
avoided him. Once I finally dug deeper than the cliched songs
"The Dance', and "The Thunder Rolls", and "Friends and Low
Places", (although they all are very good again after not hearing
them for a while) I found that Garth is a very sensitive man,
who has no shame in communicating that in his music. He is also
intelligent, which allows him to put his marketing degree to good
use. And it is not a sin to have one,or use it. I admit that
tribute albums are usually done once the artist leaves center
stage(if Garth ever does), if anyone today deserves one IN THE
FUTURE,it is Garth. Just like all the artists today give credit
to Merle, George, and Hank (Haggard, Jones, and Williams or
WIlliams Jr. for all you slow Texans) 15-20 years from now,
artists will be saying "Thanks Garth." (Along with others, I'm
sure.) I concede that it is too early for a tribut album
(althoug it would be cool to try to hear other people keep up
wiht Garth), he probably said, knowing that someone like you
would get a kick out of it.
>Dern Okies. Trying to act like Texans again. (;-)
Sorry. We must be desperate (Except for the Cowboys, most of
whom aren't Texans anyway, i.e. Troy Aikman.)
Jason Nichols
Oklahoman and Proud
wat...@yvax.byu.edu
fan. And like me, he would probably like to see the championship
decided on the gridiron. He just happens to have a few more persuasive
assets than I do. It is probably hard to judge the height of Brooks' horse
from the lofty position that you have placed yourself in.
*********DMAN**********
>
Randy Turney
:>Dern Okies. Trying to act like Texans again. (;-)
:Sorry. We must be desperate (Except for the Cowboys, most of
:whom aren't Texans anyway, i.e. Troy Aikman.)
There are very few things in the Dallas area that have anything
yo do with Texas.
R.T.
JASON NICHOLS
wat...@yvax.byu.edu writes:
>In article <neppie.19...@mindspring.com>,
nep...@mindspring.com (Richard Evans) writes:
>> Just heard a news story that G. Brooks is offering to put on a
concert
>> or stage a charity event if the NCAA has a championship
football game
>> this year.
>>
>> Yes -- it's a noble cause (FSU can beat anybody on a good
day), but
>> does he really think he can make a difference *this* year?
It's a lost
>> cause. Maybe he is trying to influence future championships
(which the
>> NCAA is planning to address anyway).
>>
>> With his concern for world hunger and such you'd think Garth
would only
>> be upset at the money squandered on football in the united
states.
Maybe you don't recognize the words "charity event." And
besides, think of all the money "wasted" on his shows every year.
Garth knows that people need entertainment. Sure maybe not as
much as they need food, but you know what I mean. Football,
along with Garth, provide distraction from the frustration people
face everyday. You can't ask a society to give up a LARGE part
of its culture just to feed another culture (ethiopia, Somalia,
etc.) Basically, its jsut a little unfair of you to insinuate
that Garth is hipocritical or insincere because he tries to
influence some less noble things than hunger prevention, or
disease control.
>> I'd love to know how high the horse Brooks thinks he rides is.
>>
>> -- richard
If Garth were to do something like denounce football, and its
"waste", you would give him even more crap about having an even
higher horse, because he feels like he above football and the
common man that watches it. And as to how high he thinks his
horse is, he probably doesn't hink it is as high as it really is.
I've read where he said that he doesn't want to lead, just have a
voice. Damn noble when he seems to have a goo head on his
shoulders, and a considereable amount of influence. Just let him
have his voice in what he wants to have it in. Its his right.
Just because his influence is a little more effective, and
publicized, that doesn't mean you should attack him personally
and doubt his honesty.
Jason Nichols
Lseymore
Robert Bryce
> His music is as good as anyone else's, but the
> feeling, message(s), storyline, and creativity he puts into his
> songs cannot be matched.
This is subjective.
> Granted, that a few other artists have
> a song every now and then that competes, but none do it
> consistently.
Nah. He may be selling like hotcakes now, but he hasn't
had the chance to prove he's got the longevity of Merle,
George, Hank, or Johnny Cash, or Waylon. He may in the
long run, but only time will tell.
IMHO, he's no longer country. And he just hasn't got the
talent of the other big names such as George Strait or Alan
Jackson. Or Clint Black. Or Wynonna. I'd say Reba, but I
too am getting tired of her style from the past number of
albums. And let's not forget about Alabama.
--Rob
Raymond L. Rivera
for the mythical national championship. No offense
against the Pokes (I'm an Oklahoman from Tulsa myself)
but it appears to be the only way OSU will get into
any sort of playoff game! :)
Ray L. Rivera
Raymond L. Rivera
have. He must be doing something right, seeing that he makes
about $30 million a yr. Incidentally, he's a much different
person in person than you might have seen in concerts or on his
high energy TV specials. I met him on December 15 at the CBS-TV
studios in Manhattan on the set of the "This Morning" show.
My fiancee's sister is one of the producers and she arranged
for us to meet Garth. He's extremely down-to-earth and was
quite nervous about appearing on TV with only a handful
of people in a studio. He really warmed up when I told
him I'm originally from T-town (Tulsa, OK) and I nearly
caused him to be late for his segment with Mark McKuen
(the morning weatherman on the show). Garth later came
back to chat some more. He certainly didn't appear to
me as a conniving marketeer--just a good 'ol boy from
Oklahoma to me (he was even wandering the studio halls
looking around at all the equipment).
Ray L. Rivera
Raymond L. Rivera
Here's another Okie (from Tulsa) backin' you up, son.
My only problem is that I'm stuck up here in the
wicked Northeast (Yankeeland--or the People's Republic
of New York and New Jersey).
BTW, I've worked in Henryetta (at KHEN) - Home of
the Fightin' Hens and Aikman (though I think the
HS football team is no longer the Fightin' Hens -
they're now the Golden Knights or something like
that,
Ray L. Rivera, Tech Writer, AIG
(212) 440-2133 (w)
Richard Evans
>albums. And let's not forget about Alabama.
Oh, ... Let's do.
-- Richard
http://www.mindspring.com/~neppie.html
JASON NICHOLS
lsey...@aol.com (Lseymore) writes:
>Garth Brooks BEEN over the edge for some time, now.
I'm getting tired of people knocking Garth. I've already posted
a few things in his defense,so i guess I'm going to do it
until...well I guess you can't make people, change their tastes,
a nd I know not *everyone* will quit slamming him, so I guess
I'll do it forever (if necessary). Garth is one of the most
talented artist in country (if not all) music today. (I'd say
he's the best, but proclaiming someone best is a matter of
opinion and rightly so about 99% of the time.) But he is also
BRAVE enough to push the limits. He stretches Nashville's narrow
mind and imagination by continually, and sucessfully, producing
songs that take chances. (The Thunder Rolls being the most
publicized one.) He takes the chance that all of his success
could be washed away because of people's (like yourself) dislike
of what's new and different, or out of the ordinary. "If its
chances that's gotten me into the game, you can bet it will be
taking chances that will get me thrown out of the game too." A
quote from Garth that says it all about his attitude toward the
chances he takes. As long as people keep buying MILLIONS of his
albums, they will let him make them, and keep you mad simply
because he doesn't always conform to the country mold.
Jason Nichols
Angela Virginia
rth Brooks! We have a theory around here...we were all Billy Joel fans, had to
catch Garth version of Shameless, and just got stuck on him! I know that's how
it happened to me! And if you talk to people on alt.music.billy-joel, a lot of
them will tell you the same story. I own most of Garth albums now, and would ne
ver give them up! And if Garth wants to play at a national championship, I woul
d LOVE it!
Angela
Christopher C. Finger
>
>It is my personal opinion that he hasnt had one good song after Rodeo, so
>I have pretty much quit listening to him in the last 2 years. However,
>tonight I was kinda bored and listening to CDs and picked out No Fences
>and suddenly remembered why he got so popular in the first place. Its a
>pretty darn good album!
>Jeff
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>Jeff Aylor <jay...@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
>
>"The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"
While I agree in principle that Garth's last 2-3 albums have been
not at all interesting, he can still sing a pretty good country song.
Give his take on "Deep Water" on the Asleep at the Wheel Bob Wills
tribute a listen. Great stuff.
Chris
Robert Miller
JASON NICHOLS <nich...@cherokee.nsuok.edu> wrote:
>I'm getting tired of people knocking Garth. I've already posted
>a few things in his defense,so i guess I'm going to do it
>until...well I guess you can't make people, change their tastes,
>a nd I know not *everyone* will quit slamming him, so I guess
>I'll do it forever (if necessary).
I kind of like Garth Brooks. Not enough to listen to any of his music
intentionally, but I don't automatically change the station when one of his
songs comes on. Unless it's "Two of a Kind" or a couple of others I
can't think of.
>Garth is one of the most
>talented artist in country (if not all) music today. (I'd say
>he's the best, but proclaiming someone best is a matter of
>opinion and rightly so about 99% of the time.)
I think that's stretching things quite a bit. Talented in what way? Voice?
Guitar? Songwriting? I can think of quite a few musicians who surpass
Garth in all three areas.
>But he is also
>BRAVE enough to push the limits. He stretches Nashville's narrow
>mind and imagination by continually, and sucessfully, producing
>songs that take chances. (The Thunder Rolls being the most
>publicized one.)
I am thrilled that Garth is able to make the kind of music he wants to
make, and that there are people who enjoy listening to it. However, he
is not alone in this regard by a longshot. I remember back around 1986
and 1987 there were a bunch of new country artists coming out who were
pushing the limits. You might have heard of kd lang, Nanci Griffith, Lyle
Lovett, and Steve Earle. None of them get played on country radio these
days, except occasionally you might hear an old song of Lyle's or Steve
Earle's "Guitar Town". In any case, I think all of the four musicians I
have just named take more chances than Garth does. (And none of them
record in Nashville anymore, either.)
>He takes the chance that all of his success
>could be washed away because of people's (like yourself) dislike
>of what's new and different, or out of the ordinary.
Just because people don't like Garth doesn't mean they dislike what's new
and different. Many people who dislike Garth think he's just too boring.
Anthony R Kaiser
>
> Pete (Everything good is Garth. Everything beautiful is Trisha)
I just had to correct this gross error.
..everything beautiful is Faith (Babe)
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to wear them (although it is kind of silly to). To anwser the first
question yes, it was Fort Worth. to have someone elese sing Friends in Low
Places is the weirdest thing next to my cousin dipping animal crackers in
apple juice!!! But all in all Garth Brooks is a great singer and a pretty
nice guy.
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female
Mark R Rossney
it sound like Garth has betrayed the hallowed institution of country music. His
style appeals to millions of people (including myself). I (as more than a few
could probably admit also) used to hate country music with a passion. My dad
would put it on the radio and I'd turn it off. He'd say, "You'll be listening
to it some day." We'd go argue back & forth and I'd deny that I could ever
listen to that hillbilly garbage. Then it happened: I saw Garth on Saturday
Night Live. My dad made me watch it and I found myself diggin' him. "OK, he's
not *that* bad," I'd say. "But I'll never listen to anybody else." Now, I
listen to all country. It's programed on my stereo. I've got CD's by a bunch
of artists (including all 5 of Garth's). I even went to my first country
concert when Blackhawk, Tim McGraw, and Little Texas came out to Pittsburgh. My
point to all this babbling: you may not like him, but you've got to respect
undeniable talents. By pushing the envelope of country music, Garth Brooks has
opened the eyes of many people (like me) to country music. God Bless 'em!
Mark "Roz" Rossney
P.S. - Be sure to catch GB on his concert at 8:00 (eastern) Wed. on NBC!
JAG542
and ask if had ever heard John Hiatt's "Smashing a Perfectly Good Guitar"?
JohnT100
Garth can take the following he has and shove it up his ass, do anything
he wants to with it, but get it out of nashville and away from country
music. He's the reason for the shit thats out there today. Y'all say he
did a lot for country by getting all of you pop fans to listen to him and
country, well bullshit all that did is screw up the institution. Why
don't y'all find a little place like Guyana and join Garth there and get
the hell away from us.
What a stupid comment about AJ shining Garth's boots. Ok, maybe Michael
Bolton. Lets keep AJ and country from being mixed up with Garth Brooks
and pop.
Mark R Rossney
> Someone said that Garth made them start listening to country. Exactly,
> Garth can take the following he has and shove it up his ass, do anything
> he wants to with it, but get it out of nashville and away from country
> music. He's the reason for the shit thats out there today.
Damn. Michal Shane e-mailed me personally (and who knows how many others that
were upset at his post) and posted appologies for his infamous post. Just when
everyone started getting along, you come and start raisin' hell again. Well,
I'm a Garth fan (and damn proud of it). I'm gonna take all my Garth-loving
friends and we're all gonna stop listening to country now because you don't want
us too. All better? I hope so. Get real, man. Here's the deal: I like all
country music. I'm not going to stop listening because someone tells me that
I'm not fit to listen. Stop judging me and other people by the artists we like.
Before you drop the axe on me, get to know me first. I'm not a bad guy. Look,
there are enough problems in the world without everyone getting all flustered
because over music. It's here for everyone's enjoyment, so sit back and listen
and let me do the same. Take it easy...
Mark
JohnT100
compasionate. (directed at no one in particular) Have you ever slept with
him? Then how do you know? IMHO I think he's the anti-christ and you think
he is God. (J/K) I just get tired of hearing about how great he is and
what he has done for country. HE HASN'T done anything, he started on a
downward plung with Shameless.
I appoligize if I offended anyone. My temper just itches when it comes to
him.
085...@sscl.uwo.ca
>From: john...@aol.com (JohnT100)
>Subject: Re: Garth gone over the edge?
>Date: 23 Jan 1995 11:14:39 -0500
Okay, lets take a breather. I really don't think the attack on Garth is
necessary. Afterall, it looks like you are a Hag fan. So am I, but I also
like Garth. Tellme, what is the difference between Okee from Muskogee and
American Honky Tonk bAR aSSOCIATION. Don't get all defensive by saying
Garth shouldn't be said in the same breath as Hag. Aren't the songs saying
similar things. Aren't they both country. I hate to argue against old
country, in fact I have ben defending it for the last few weeks, however,
Nashville also wanted to get rid of Waylon, Willie, Hank Jr., and David
Allen Coe at one point. They said they weren't really country.
I think I have had a change of heart. It's all country, just a different
degree. All westerns aren't the same, all comedies aren't the same, all
rock isn't the same and all country shouldn't be the same.
I've also been thinking, most people outside of country music accuse us of
being close minded, ignorant, raving, hicks. They think we are backwards.
it seems to me that we have been proving them right.
I think you can find lots of real country Garth songs( The Dance, Friends in
Low Places, Walking After Midnight, What's She's Doing Now, AHBA). Just
because someone mixes a little doesn't mean they should be kicked out of
this ever growing group.
Before you start criticizing, listen to Hank Jr.'s family tradition. He
fought the same closemindedness that garth fights today.
Peter HOuston Royster
JOHNNY DYSON
john...@aol.com (JohnT100) writes:
I wouldn't read this group anymore then. Now that I have access
to the net, I will be defending/promoting(not in the commercial
sense)/championing Garth all I can. Not that he needs anyone to
take up for him. No I haven't slept with him (I'm male). I'm
one of those guys that aren't very open about how they feel (at
least when it comes to things like love, compassion, tenderness,
and all that), but Garth is a soft spot, or a weakness for me.
His music lets me confront those feelings rather than constantly
rejecting them.
Jason Nichols
theTone
>From: john...@aol.com (JohnT100)
>Subject: Re: Garth gone over the edge?
>Date: 23 Jan 1995 11:14:39 -0500
makes people start to listen to country...
I'm from Holland, you never heard anybody about country. Still it's not
much, but Garth started to make music they did play on Dutch radio. I
thought (and still think) Garth is great and then I created an interest for
country in general. Now I just love a lot of country, including Alan
Jackson.
If it wasn't for Garth I wouldn't have listened to country at all, and that'
s just the facts...
theTone
Joshua Simer
: If it wasn't for Garth I wouldn't have listened to country at all, and that'
: s just the facts...
Ditto. He may not be the most "country" artist around, but he
sure got me interested in country. I got sick of listening to the
classic rock station in Minneapolis (my hometown) because it was going
alternative. I'd heard a couple Garth songs, so I figured, "what the
hell, I'll try the country station." The first song they played was "The
Thunder Rolls," and basically ever since then I've been listening to
country, beginning with Garth and later becoming more and more interested
in more traditionalist singers and "classic" country. I just ordered a
Hank Sr. boxed set, in fact.
Insult Garth all you want, he's still "country," and even if you
think he isn't "real" country, he's gotten a lot of people interested in
country music. Plus, you can't deny he's a good singer. Quite frankly,
if it wasn't for Garth, country music might have faded into complete
obscurity. Now, there's a whole generation of younger fans. I can
understand the argument that Garth isn't a very traditional country
singer, but I think it ridiculous to say he isn't "country," and he is
certainly an outstanding musician. All this Garth-bashing is just nonsense.
And now... I leave with my signature phrase: "I'm country WHERE
country isn't cool." (see my email address, above)
--
****************************Joshua M. Simer*************************
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism"
- T. Roosevelt
********************************************************************
-Disclaimer: Did I SAY I was speaking for anyone or anything besides
myself? No? Well, then, I probably wasn't.
June Ellis
> Insult Garth all you want, he's still "country," and even if you
>think he isn't "real" country, he's gotten a lot of people interested in
>country music. Plus, you can't deny he's a good singer. Quite frankly,
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>if it wasn't for Garth, country music might have faded into complete
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>obscurity. Now, there's a whole generation of younger fans. I can
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Uh, I don't think so. Randy Travis was having multi-platinum albums before
anybody ever heard of Garth Brooks.
Randy Turney
: ... I got sick of listening to the
:alternative. I'd heard a couple Garth songs, so I figured, "what the
: ...Quite frankly,
Maybe country music would have faded into obscurity in Minneapolis,
but not around here. (Texas)
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>
> If it wasn't for Garth I wouldn't have listened to country at all, and
IMHO that says more about the person who wrote it than about anything else -
including country...!
Jan.
JohnT100
>think he isn't "real" country, he's gotten a lot of people interested in
>country music. Plus, you can't deny he's a good singer. Quite frankly,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>if it wasn't for Garth, country music might have faded into complete
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>obscurity. Now, there's a whole generation of younger fans. I can
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If it ain't "real" country, it just ain't country. <VBG>
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