That's the original story that appeared in a Las Vegas newspaper. Some TL
enablers needed to be reminded of the TRUE facts since they conveniently forget
them when defending W.B. Tracy now.
uh that was the last incident, there has been nothing new
happen........you will find out people just love to bring it up in
here......
I really don't think that's a fair way of putting it. Actually, this
whole mess has been flaring up off and on for years now. Someone popped
into the group to dredge up the same thing again, and the way they did it
was very tacky, and unrelated to music. If they really cared, they would
volunteer at a spouse abuse center or something, not gloat that an
artist's album isn't doing as well as expected.
> Normally I'd not bother, but I consider spousal abuse a very serious issue
> and am not letting them negate it.
It is a very serious issue, and some of his fans here have been through
the ordeal themselves, so they're first-hand experts at it. The point is
that he makes good music, and efforts to put him down because of his past
are really misguided.
Normally I'd not bother, but I consider spousal abuse a very serious issue
and am not letting them negate it.
Clark Reid
www.hi-tek.net/clark
"Debbie Caudill" <dcau...@isoc.net> wrote in message
news:38b8942c....@news.isoc.net...
Gee Clark, how kind of you to not "let" us, just who told you that you
could control us? Isn't controlling the first sign of abusive
behaviour? And if you're an upcoming artist, just by your unforgiving
nature, won't you have a hard time singing songs about forgiving or
being forgiven? Most artists put their true feelings into songs, what
are yours going to be about, instead of Your Cheating Heart, is it
going to be Your cold cold heart? NO we did not take offense to the
subject header, there are two in here that started the whole thing up
again......you're so quick to blame us for defending someone we happen
to enjoy, go to deja.com and look up who started this whole mess.
No one EVER said spousal abuse was not a serious issue...I've been
there. All we have said is that it is in the past, it's time to move
on to the future now. You people seem willing to bury Tracy and
condemn him for life because of ONE incident of losing his temper.
Jesus, I was a victim of abuse but I don't call my ex a wife beating
sob everytime someone brings up his name.....because it's in the past.
Most people don't live in the past, they live for what the future will
bring............I just don't see how you can act like this when it's
evident his ex wife, the victim has forgiven him.....did he do
something personal to you? Why can't the people in here just enjoy
the music of country artists without digging into their personal
lives...ie; Vince, Janice, Amy and Gary......thats their lives, no one
buys a ticket into their lives, they buy tickets for their concerts.
All I can say Clark in closing is I hope your closet is super clean
and I hope if you ever do become famous that you remember me saying
this when every little detail of your life becomes subject to ridicule
and gossip.
Hope to see ya in KY for the concert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Clark Reid wrote:
>>
>> Actually all that was "brought up in here" was how his latest album was
>> doing, unfortunately, the few TL fans left have to have things so perfect
>> surrounding their idol they took huge offense to the SUBJECT HEADER (Not
>> even the damn message LOL) and started it all up again.
>
>I really don't think that's a fair way of putting it. Actually, this
>whole mess has been flaring up off and on for years now. Someone popped
>into the group to dredge up the same thing again, and the way they did it
>was very tacky, and unrelated to music. If they really cared, they would
>volunteer at a spouse abuse center or something, not gloat that an
>artist's album isn't doing as well as expected.
>
>> Normally I'd not bother, but I consider spousal abuse a very serious issue
>> and am not letting them negate it.
>
I can forgive anyone. I would like you to go to deja yourself and find
where I have said one thing about Tracy's music, or whether he has a career
or ANYTHING personally derogatory about him. You wont find it. What you will
find is me jumping up and down about the strength of the comments you have
made and Denise has made.
I'm not going to "forgive" Tracy it's not my place. he did nothing to me and
it's not my place to forgive him. I am happy for him to move on with his
career if he can. I would be aghast if anyone thought they could make life
judgements on my behalf after meeting me for five minutes and I don't
believe anyone can about anyone else either. However, I am not prepared to
pretend like his past doesn't exist. I don't think he should wear a sign
saying he's a wife basher everywhere he goes, but I don't think anyone
should say anything that negates what he has done. Just move on, hope he
does, and remember the past. As I hope he does. If he forgets what has
happened and if he pretends it didn't happen HE WILL DO IT AGAIN!
I have no problem with you defending Tracy. IT took me a long time to get
back into the discussion, which was obviously building to this. My problem
with it became when his past was negated. No he shouldn't be held to account
for that for the rest of his life, but I'm sorry, in my opinion, neither
should it ever be forgotten.... for the safety of others! No one forgets
Jones drinking and cocaine and some don't forgive, this group proves it.
Tracy will get no special treatment from me. I agree with people on this
group who believe Jones should be fully accountable for his drinking and
actions, and simultaneously hailed as one of the greats of country music,
the two don't have to meet, he is still just a person. Tracy is the same. I
hope his music moves on, I hope he does, but I don't have to forget anything
and I have strong reservations about anyone that encourages people to forget
his spousal abuse charges. There is too much danger in doing so, not just
for him but society as a whole.
Again, I make no comment on Tracy's music except to say I like his style and
his performance. The guy is good, I've never said different. I hope his
career works for him and I hope he never has those problems again., but I am
not going to LET (read that anyway you choose) anyone get by with acting
like it doesn't matter. IT DOES!
I'm not "holier than thou". I have got into physical scraps in my life. I'm
not proud of them (I still have scars from them) but in the same way I feel
disgust when that sort of thing happens between a 200 pound man(Bully) and
140 pound man I have the same disgust for anyone who physically abuses a
women. It's gutless, it's bullying, it's cowardice and gives insight into
character and/or lack of it, regardles of who threw the first punch. How big
is Tracy? How big is Stacie?.
There will never be a reason for a man laying a hand on a women I anger in
my world. I can't forgive, not my job. But I wont forget it either.
Simultaneously I will not let comments saying that is what should happen go
unchallenged.
That is the only thing I have done here, challenged those who have negated
his crime. I make no condemnation of Tracy anymore than the court did.
Oh thanks for the career advice, was that free? I hope so.
Clark Reid
www.hi-tek.net/clark
"Debbie Caudill" <dcau...@isoc.net> wrote in message
news:38b2dd55....@news.isoc.net...
> >Actually all that was "brought up in here" was how his latest album was
> >doing, unfortunately, the few TL fans left have to have things so perfect
> >surrounding their idol they took huge offense to the SUBJECT HEADER (Not
> >even the damn message LOL) and started it all up again.
> >
> >Normally I'd not bother, but I consider spousal abuse a very serious
issue
> >and am not letting them negate it.
> >
> >
I give up
Clark Reid
www.hi-tek.net/clark
"Scott" <westsi...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom> wrote in message
news:38B1FE...@yahoo.USPAMBACKcom...
> Clark Reid wrote:
> >
> > Actually all that was "brought up in here" was how his latest album was
> > doing, unfortunately, the few TL fans left have to have things so
perfect
> > surrounding their idol they took huge offense to the SUBJECT HEADER (Not
> > even the damn message LOL) and started it all up again.
>
> I really don't think that's a fair way of putting it. Actually, this
> whole mess has been flaring up off and on for years now. Someone popped
> into the group to dredge up the same thing again, and the way they did it
> was very tacky, and unrelated to music. If they really cared, they would
> volunteer at a spouse abuse center or something, not gloat that an
> artist's album isn't doing as well as expected.
>
> > Normally I'd not bother, but I consider spousal abuse a very serious
issue
> > and am not letting them negate it.
>
That is such old news , don't you have better things to do with your life.
Tracy is coming back ! And He has a lot of fans who stand behind him, no matter
what! I am one of those fans. So I don't appreciate you trying to bring him
down . Get a life!
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Howdy Denise! I'm with you girl.. TRACY BASHERS SUCK BIG TIME!
Again I will say TRACY BASHERS NEED TO GET A LIFE!! And you seem to be one of
those who needs to get a life. We don't need to be reminded of no such thing.
Take a good close look at the charts. He's doing a awesome job. So what now?
You can't seem to stop other great reviews either. they are promoting him real
good.... So go and bash someone else , who cares
And who asked for your 900 fanatic posts?
I think we get the point that your way past
being just a "normal" fan.
The number of wacko TL fans who post here tell you why Tracy feels the
need to carry a gun.
Linda C.
Asked *who?* Learn to quote, brainless one.
I don't recall anybody askin you.
I don't recall anyone asking *you* for 957 reprints of old articles
about TL.
So get a life !!!!
You waste time posting all these stupid articles about Tracy to a NG
where 90% of us are sick of him and you think *you* have a life?
> Big Tracy FAN .. Always & Forever Lisa
>
Always & Forever deranged, obsessed and a crashing bore.
Come back when you grow up, little girl.
Linda C.
> That is such old news , don't you have better things to do with your life.
> Tracy is coming back ! And He has a lot of fans who stand behind him, no matter
> what!
Only 35,000 of which have bothered to buy his album.
Linda C.
> what! I am one of those fans. So I don't appreciate you trying to bring him
> down .
"We" didn't try to bring him down. he has pretty much done that on his own.
--
rgds,
Scott
WB4WSB
http://www.qsl.net/wb4wsb
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I'd rather be right than politically correct.
I am happy to debate any issue rationally with anyone. I give Debbie credit
that on this issue she is literate and sensible and does not resort to
juvenile and imbecile like comments such as "Tracy bashers Suck". Those
comments make me feel like I'm having Michael Jackson defended to me by a
bunch of 12 years. Is this really your aim?
How about you read the entire thread, find out what the gripes are and then
give your rational opinion on it. Ranting in your current fashion just
aggravates people more and makes it even harder for Tracy to get his "second
chance". IMHO
Clark Reid
www.hi-tek.net/clark
"Lisa Marie Robinson" <lisa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000223121101...@ng-bj1.aol.com...
> >>
> >>Who asked for your input? I don't recall anybody askin you. So get a
life
> >>!!!!
> >>Big Tracy FAN .. Always & Forever Lisa
> >
> >And who asked for your 900 fanatic posts?
> >I think we get the point that your way past
> >being just a "normal" fan.
> >
> >
there I disagree with you and I am sorry to have to do that and bring it all
back up again...TL has never until this been brought up on charges of this
nature...he has had other charges for shooting a gun UP in the air and those
were dismissed....you cant say that is the same as this because its not