Bruce Springsteen on CMT
RKerseyJr
CMT.
I forget what the title is, but it's a song from his new album called "The
Rising."
News Account
A friend of mine is a huge BS fan and he watched the show. He thought it
was a little ridiculous, what with Cledus saying that Bruce LOVES country
music, and that's why they are going to play the video.
Viacom will not stop in their efforts to meld CMT and VH1 into one
indistinguishable mess.
Cordially,
Tom
Coop
News Account wrote:
It's homogenization of the format. I read where Shania's return to CMT drew 4 million viewers.
Coop
stacy p
> Viacom will not stop in their efforts to meld CMT and VH1 into one
> indistinguishable mess.
I suspect we'll hear from SanLopez anytime now.
Stacy P.
Country Boy
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> It's homogenization of the format. I read where Shania's return to CMT drew 4 million viewers.
>
Homogenization is a two-way street. If this will remove some of the
anti-country bias that exists in the non-country world, it'll be good
for everyone. If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
> "Coop" <co...@twang.edu> wrote in message news:3DB96623...@twang.edu...
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>>It's homogenization of the format. I read where Shania's return to CMT drew 4 million viewers.
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>
> Homogenization is a two-way street. If this will remove some of the
> anti-country bias that exists in the non-country world, it'll be good
> for everyone.
Will it though? it hasn't removed an anti-rock bias that exists in many
country fans.
If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
> perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
>
Why?
Coop
Country Boy
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> Country Boy wrote:
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> > "Coop" <co...@twang.edu> wrote in message news:3DB96623...@twang.edu...
> >
> >>
> >>It's homogenization of the format. I read where Shania's return to CMT drew 4 million viewers.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Homogenization is a two-way street. If this will remove some of the
> > anti-country bias that exists in the non-country world, it'll be good
> > for everyone.
>
>
> Will it though? it hasn't removed an anti-rock bias that exists in many
> country fans.
>
"Many" may be exaggerating it. The question is "What is rock?" If
we're talking Elvis and Carl Perkins up through Charlie Daniels and
Southern rockers, I don't think the bias is as great as you think.
But the anti-country bias is huge. The fact that country artists have
to change their music for pop airplay, when that rule didn't exist in
the 60s, 70s, or even the 80s, is a crime. I believe Country's success
in the 90s isolated it from the rest of music. Some in other genres
resented how hot country became. Negative stereotypes were created.
Now they need good music, and the best source is Nashville. But now
they want it on their terms. The only way to break down that door is
through familiarity.
> If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
> > perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
> >
>
> Why?
>
People often dislike things without having the experience. It goes
both ways. Someone like Willie is like Nixon going to China. No one
will question his background. He is country's best ambassador.
Country can't live in isolation anymore. Or it can't live in
isolation and expect to live beyond the current generation. So when
Keith Richards or Dave Matthews works with Willie, it exposes their
fans to Willie's music. They meet halfway, rather than either side
giving up integrity. That's the way crossover should work.
Janice Brooks
Why did Johnny Cash cover 2 songs from Nebraska and Bruce return the favor on
one of the recent Cash tributes.
BUS Janice http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/3886/index.html
Equal performance offers for members of the Grand Old Opry Petition
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chlban
>It's homogenization of the format. I read where Shania's return to CMT drew
>4 million viewers.
And KZLA in Los Angeles now has
Kid Rock and Sheryl Crow's new duet
in heavy rotation. Not that I'm complaining,
IMO, it's a hell of a lot more country
than Shania's latest, not to mention plenty
of other songs on country radio.
H Glazer
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WWYZ in Hartford has America's "Sister Golden Hair" and Bob Seger's "Against
the Wind" on its playlist!
Howard
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
>>If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
>>
>>>perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
>>>
>>>
>>Why?
>
> People often dislike things without having the experience. It goes
> both ways. Someone like Willie is like Nixon going to China. No one
> will question his background. He is country's best ambassador.
> Country can't live in isolation anymore. Or it can't live in
> isolation and expect to live beyond the current generation.
When has country lived in isolation?
Coop
>
Country Boy
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> Country Boy wrote:
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> >>If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
> >>
> >>>perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Why?
> >
> > People often dislike things without having the experience. It goes
> > both ways. Someone like Willie is like Nixon going to China. No one
> > will question his background. He is country's best ambassador.
> > Country can't live in isolation anymore. Or it can't live in
> > isolation and expect to live beyond the current generation.
>
>
>
> Coop
>
I've read interviews with a number of country artists who never heard
anything but country music. Which is why their music didn't reflect
other genres. That's next to impossible to do today. Springsteen has
heard Johnny Cash as well as Little Richard. And most of today's
country artists have as well. That means that their music will have
elements from those non-country influences. There are those who feel
that country music should still sound like it did 30 years ago. Or
that today's country artists should not reflect influences that aren't
strictly country. Or that CMT should not play artists who don't fit
the narrow definition of what was once country music. I think all
those things are difficult to do in a culture like ours where it's
very hard to escape non-country music and lifestyles. Still some
people do it, and it's great they can. But the number of people who
can do it is getting smaller and smaller and the society changes.
~^Johnny^~
I have seen it. On CMT!
Good video. Great video.
I was surprised to see it, because I was just flipping channels,
waiting for Elvis - live (rerun, of course) benefit concert.
CMT is terrible about listing its programming with TV Guide. Grrrr...
Anyway, it was a first for me, because I missed Bruce on CMT the
other night. I guess you could say this one took me by surprise.
Did I say I thought it was a good video?
It certainly is "The Rising". I ordered that CD as soon as it hit the
streets. This particular CD, IMHO, is another milestone for Bruce.
In a previous post, I had mentioned that this particular album seems
to reflect the alternative style, much like the "John Doe" style.
If you like John Doe, you should consider getting this CD.
YMMV.
--
-john
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"I really don't know if I am a famous man, but what
is important to me is that my music is heard" -Hoyt Axton
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Coop
Country Boy wrote:
> "Coop" <co...@twang.edu> wrote in message news:3DBD631E...@twang.edu...
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>>Country Boy wrote:
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>>>>If we continue seeing artists from the rock world
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>perform with legends like Willie, it's good for country.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>People often dislike things without having the experience. It goes
>>>both ways. Someone like Willie is like Nixon going to China. No one
>>>will question his background. He is country's best ambassador.
>>>Country can't live in isolation anymore. Or it can't live in
>>>isolation and expect to live beyond the current generation.
>>>
>>
>>When has country lived in isolation?
>>
>>Coop
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>
> I've read interviews with a number of country artists who never heard
> anything but country music. Which is why their music didn't reflect
> other genres. That's next to impossible to do today.
Are you saying country music didn't reflect other genres as far back as
Jimmy Rodgers?
Springsteen has
> heard Johnny Cash as well as Little Richard. And most of today's
> country artists have as well. That means that their music will have
> elements from those non-country influences.
I would guess most country artist heard Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby in
their time as well so there's nothing new here.
Coop
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>A friend of mine is a huge BS fan and he watched the show. He thought it
>was a little ridiculous, what with Cledus saying that Bruce LOVES country
>music, and that's why they are going to play the video.
>
>Viacom will not stop in their efforts to meld CMT and VH1 into one
>indistinguishable mess.
And you blame Bruce? Why???
Isn't _that_ a little ridiculous? :-?
--
-john
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Sometimes I worry about being a success in a
mediocre world. -Lily Tomlin
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~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>WWYZ in Hartford has America's "Sister Golden Hair" and Bob Seger's "Against
>the Wind" on its playlist!
Seger always was a country/rock crossover, especially with his second
album. Every single song on there was a hit, was played on the
radio, and was at least in the top 100 at one time - with the
possible exception of "Brave Strangers". I don't think that one made
it to the charts. But I can't trust my memory that far. That was 26
years ago...
Mike Fahy
>Are you saying country music didn't reflect other genres as far back as
>Jimmy Rodgers?
Jimmie Rodgers
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Mike Fahy
mike...@pennswoods.net
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>I Springsteen has
>heard Johnny Cash as well as Little Richard.
What an incredible observation. :-Þ Since Cash was every bit as much
Rock-and-Roll as Carl Perkins, Bill Haley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy
Holly, etc....
Face it. Sringsteen's new album is =alternative=, and it's making
the crossover into =country=. Blame who you may, but I only have
this to say: Buce is not a "bagged" singer.
YMMV.
Coop
Mike Fahy wrote:
> Coop <co...@twang.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>Are you saying country music didn't reflect other genres as far back as
>>Jimmy Rodgers?
>>
>
> Jimmie Rodgers
>
So it is, my error.
Coop
~^Johnny^~
wrote:
>Homogenization is a two-way street.
Passed your eyes in both directions, huh?
Country Boy
>
> > I've read interviews with a number of country artists who never heard
> > anything but country music. Which is why their music didn't reflect
> > other genres. That's next to impossible to do today.
>
>
> Are you saying country music didn't reflect other genres as far back as
> Jimmy Rodgers?
>
You got me there, coop. Although I've been told Jimmie wasn't
considered a "country" singer at the time. The one I was thinking of
in particular was Merle.
> Springsteen has
> > heard Johnny Cash as well as Little Richard. And most of today's
> > country artists have as well. That means that their music will have
> > elements from those non-country influences.
>
>
> I would guess most country artist heard Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby in
> their time as well so there's nothing new here.
>
I don't know. It's all individual. After I wrote that post, it
struck me there were a lot of generalizations in it. So throw it all
out.
This leads me to think that everyone, from Rodgers on up to Twain &
Hill have homogenized the format. Right?
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
>
> This leads me to think that everyone, from Rodgers on up to Twain &
> Hill have homogenized the format. Right?
>
Well, it's always grown with new influences but so far it's managed to retain it's identity.
I'm not so sure Twain and Hill do or maybe I'm just getting old, lol.
It doesn't bother me when an artist changes their sound but I guess I'm
on the fence about country music's only real televised media outlet
airing established rock stars.
Coop
Rick Ryan
decent rock. The mix on that piece is really poor considering the level of
artist. It does not, in any shape or form, resemble anything close to
country music. It sounds just like the same stuff he was putting out in the
early 80's.........a worse mix, the material's the same.
And as for the video after it, the Twain sci-fi piece, I've never heard
auto-tune so prevelant in a major-label mix before. Makes me think they were
trying to pass it off as a planned effect. Problem is, from what I hear,
they probably did have to use auto-tune so heavily on her vocal that they
couldn't help but let it show.
But hey, it's just my opinion and what does that count? Heck, I don't even
have an Opry gig any more (for the moment).
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> > > I've read interviews with a number of country artists who never heard
> > > anything but country music. Which is why their music didn't reflect
> > > other genres. That's next to impossible to do today.
> >
> >
> > Are you saying country music didn't reflect other genres as far back as
> > Jimmy Rodgers?
>
> You got me there, coop. Although I've been told Jimmie wasn't
> considered a "country" singer at the time. The one I was thinking of
> in particular was Merle.
I don't see why, since as far as I know, Haggard hasn't said that he never
heard anything but country music coming up. In fact, he's said exactly the
opposite on a number of occasions, that he was quite taken with rock'n'roll
when it came along.
> I don't know. It's all individual. After I wrote that post, it
> struck me there were a lot of generalizations in it. So throw it all
> out.
Good idea.
--
Jon Weisberger
Country Boy
> Country Boy wrote:
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>
> >
> > This leads me to think that everyone, from Rodgers on up to Twain &
> > Hill have homogenized the format. Right?
> >
> Well, it's always grown with new influences but so far it's managed to retain it's identity.
>
I think it still has it's identity. The fact that Twain has seen the
need to accomodate the different genres should be proof of that.
> I'm not so sure Twain and Hill do or maybe I'm just getting old, lol.
> It doesn't bother me when an artist changes their sound but I guess I'm
> on the fence about country music's only real televised media outlet
> airing established rock stars.
>
>
There's a difference between the people who make the music and the
people who televise it. They're doing different things, serving
different masters, and seeking different ultimate goals. CMT
perceived that some people who listen to country music might also be
interested in Springsteen. I doubt that will have any affect on the
people who make music.
Coop
Country Boy wrote:
CMT
> perceived that some people who listen to country music might also be
> interested in Springsteen.
That's obvious. It's also obvious that they are highlighting a wider
range of music than you typically get on country radio. So as long as
they remain diverse, Bruce is probably harmless.
>I doubt that will have any affect on the people who make music.
>
Hey, today's Lonestar lead singer is tomorrow's Barry Manillow or
something like that.
Coop
Jon Weisberger
"Coop" <co...@twang.edu> wrote in message news:3DBF1A9C...@twang.edu...
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>
> Country Boy wrote:
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> CMT
> > perceived that some people who listen to country music might also be
> > interested in Springsteen.
>
> That's obvious. It's also obvious that they are highlighting a wider
> range of music than you typically get on country radio. So as long as
> they remain diverse, Bruce is probably harmless.
Exactly.
--
Jon Weisberger
~^Johnny^~
> perceived that some people who listen to country music might also be
> interested in Springsteen.
Oh, come on! Springsteen absolutely IS country!
(as well as rock, blues, alternative, crossover, etc)
I'm thinking of a [very well done] song sung by Emmylou Harris, from
her "Cimmarron" album. The Price You Pay. One of my favorite Emmylou
covers, by far. Without Bruce, it wouldn't exist. One other
classic of his is "The Factory". Not widely played, but would be a
definite country crossover if it were played at any length. And there
are certainly others ...