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TRACY LAWRENCE BEATS WIFE

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SMateer935

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according to my sources///....spet 13 tracy struck ..wife with fist...and
told her 'IM GONNA KILL YOU BITCH"....facts of the case will be forwarded
throught to the d.a.'s office in nevada..could be more on this story,,,the
fight started after wife..confronted tracy about outrageous gambling at a
casino....police report on file in reno...not gossip...public
record....pray for the both of them

JCt...@webtv.net

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I'd heard about him beating his wife before, awhile ago. Since they've
only been married for 6 months, I'm wondering if there was a previous
wife that he abused.or if it's the same girl. Either way, this is very,
very sad and I sure hope he gets help. If his wife is smart, she'll
leave ASAP.

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SouthrnElf

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In article <60rnj2$28j$1...@newsd-111.bryant.webtv.net>, JCt...@webtv.net writes:

>
>I'd heard about him beating his wife before, awhile ago. Since they've
>only been married for 6 months, I'm wondering if there was a previous
>wife that he abused.or if it's the same girl. Either way, this is very,
>very sad and I sure hope he gets help. If his wife is smart, she'll
>leave ASAP.

Stacey is his second wife. I'm surprised you don't remember the story
about his first wife. She was injured in a fire from an explosion of a gas
heater while visiting her Dad. Tracey was on the road. It seems to me she
was even pregnant but it has been a while so I may have that wrong. Word
was that as soon as he got her though the worst of the surgeries etc he
divorced her. He was quoted at the time as saying that he needed and
wanted the life he has on the road more then he wanted a family. He also
said that it was tough to have a relationship with just one women after
having the adoration of so many fans. Sounds like a real nice guy - huh?
Makes you wonder why any women would marry him at all.

Deb

U8ITISAW

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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These post and the past few that I have read sure will hurt his career, and the
way women view him.


Thankx

Laura

SouthrnElf

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u8it...@aol.com (U8ITISAW) writes:
>>
>These post and the past few that I have read sure will hurt his career, and
>the
> way women view him.

Does anyone that hits women deserve to be thought of as anything but a
wife beater? I sure don't think so. It doesn't matter how much talent he
has, a man that hits a women is a jerk and deserves to lose the respect of
the world. Even more so when the female is one he has stood at an alter
with and taken vows to love honor and cherish.

Deb

U8ITISAW

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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>I sure don't think so. It doesn't matter how much talent he
>has, a man that hits a women is a jerk and deserves to lose the respect of
>the world. Even more so when the female is one he has stood at an alter
>with and taken vows to love honor and cherish.
>
>Deb
>
Oh, don't take me wrong Deb, I agree with you. I love T.L. but not enough to
support such actions.

Thankx

Laura

FBatchelor

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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Deb wrote:
>Stacey is his second wife.


Stacey is Tracy's third wife.
Faye

x

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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In <19970930223...@ladder02.news.aol.com> south...@aol.com
(SouthrnElf) writes:

>He was quoted at the time as saying that he needed and wanted the life
he has on the road more then he wanted a family. He also said that it
was tough to have a relationship with just one women after having the
adoration of so many fans. Sounds like a real nice guy - huh? Makes
you wonder why any women would marry him at all.
>

Gosh, Deb, it sounds like the country music fans are pretty mad at
Tracy Lawrence. Do you think this could possibly mean...no, the thought
is too horrible...but I'll say it anyway.

No more #1 singles for Tracy??

Stella

sch...@flinet.com

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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> >>I'd heard about him beating his wife before, awhile ago. Since
they've
> >>only been married for 6 months, I'm wondering if there was a previous

> >>wife .

> >
> >Stacey is his second wife. I'm surprised you don't remember the story
> >about his first wife. She was injured in a fire from an explosion of a
gas
> >heater while visiting her Dad. Tracey was on the road. It seems to me
she
> >was even pregnant but it has been a while so I may have that wrong.

His first wife was a few months pregnant at the time of the explosion and
she lost the baby. I heard he was at home but in a different part of the
house. The first wife and her father were both injured in the explosion.


rad...@ix.netcom.nospamcom

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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Would it be too much to ask that we let ye olde "due process" take its
course?

The man has been *accused* of beating his wife. He has not been *convicted*.


(Oh, I know -- no woman would ever falsely accuse a man, right? Because
women are better than men. More honest. Right?)


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In <01bcce6c$17000b80$af18...@scholar.flinet.com> <sch...@flinet.com>
writes:

>His first wife was a few months pregnant at the time of the explosion
and she lost the baby. I heard he was at home but in a different part
of the house. The first wife and her father were both injured in the
explosion.


I've got an idea for rehabilitating Tracy's country music career.

He changes his image to that of the villain. He's like those guys on
Pro Rasslin who strut around in black masks and nazi helmits.

He and Martina McBride cut a new video for "Independence Day" in which
they act out the parts, kinda like Meatloaf does with "Bat Out of
Hell." Wow! What country theater.

Stella


Linda Cauthen

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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>>Deb wrote:
>Stacey is his second wife.

Stacey is Tracy's third wife.
Faye<<

Wrong. Stacey is his second. Frances Weatherford was his first.

Linda

Pitbull3

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Oct 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/1/97
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Thanks for the update, we were all waiting on the edge of our seat for this
info!!

U8ITISAW

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>The man has been *accused* of beating his wife. He has not been *convicted*.
>
>
>(Oh, I know -- no woman would ever falsely accuse a man, right? Because
>women are better than men. More honest. Right?)

Sorry folks I just have to say this.

Get off it, or STFU, rad...@ix.netcom.NOSPAMcom.

Laura

U8ITISAW

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>>He was quoted at the time as saying that he needed and wanted the life
>he has on the road more then he wanted a family. He also said that it
>was tough to have a relationship with just one women after having the
>adoration of so many fans. Sounds like a real nice guy - huh? Makes
>you wonder why any women would marry him at all.
>>
>
>Gosh, Deb, it sounds like the country music fans are pretty mad at
>Tracy Lawrence. Do you think this could possibly mean...no, the thought
>is too horrible...but I'll say it anyway.
>
>No more #1 singles for Tracy??
>
>Stella
>
Well Garth is still making it after screwing his fans so...
Thankx

Laura

sch...@flinet.com

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Oct 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/2/97
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> >Stacey is his second wife.
> >>Deb

>> Stacey is Tracy's third wife.
>>Faye

> Wrong. Stacey is his second. Frances Weatherford was his first.
> Linda

Linda and Deb are correct. Unless Tracy had some little woman stashed away
in Texarkana years ago before he became a country star. Frances and Stacey
are the only two I know of.
Cindy

FBatchelor

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Oct 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/2/97
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Sorry! But a local radio station reported that Tracy now has 2 ex's in Texas
and 1 in New Mexico. Maybe they were misinformed.

Faye

Stetzonman

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south...@aol.com (SouthrnElf) writes:

<<Stacey is his second wife. I'm surprised you don't remember the story
about his first wife. She was injured in a fire from an explosion of a gas
heater while visiting her Dad. Tracey was on the road. It seems to me she was

even pregnant but it has been a while so I may have that wrong. Word was that
as soon as he got her though the worst of the surgeries etc he divorced her.>>

Nice guy, that Tracy.

<<He was quoted at the time as saying that he needed and wanted the life he has
on the road more then he wanted a family.>>

Dynamite priorities.

<<He also said that it was tough to have a relationship with just one women
after having the adoration of so many fans.>>

What a prick.

<<Sounds like a real nice guy - huh? Makes you wonder why any women would
marry him at all.>>

Doesn't make me wonder at all, Deb. There are plenty of women, whether you want
to concede it or not, who want very much to be Mrs. Tracy Lawrence, thank you
very much, and all of the money and pathetic "fame" that comes with it.

I am proud to say that I have NEVER been a fan of this idiot. He always looked
and sounded like such a goddam CRACKER to me. (And *nothing* about this one is
"Ritz", either--pure white trash all the way.) Even is silly makeover where
his handlers had him cut his hair and cheezy moustache didn't help.

Barf.

--Stetzonman

<<Deb>>

x

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In <19971002042...@ladder01.news.aol.com> stetz...@aol.com
(Stetzonman) writes:

>I am proud to say that I have NEVER been a fan of this idiot. He
always looked and sounded like such a goddam CRACKER to me. (And
*nothing* about this one is "Ritz", either--pure white trash all the
way.) Even is silly makeover where his handlers had him cut his hair
and cheezy moustache didn't help.
>
>Barf.


It's probably gonna take several Hot New Country love songs for Tracy
to win back women fans' hearts.

Stella

U8ITISAW

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>Tracy needs to go back and take care of his inner child. It would help
>him grieve out his childhood losses if he recorded a country song
>called "I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."
>
>Hey, it worked for Guns N Roses.
>
>Stella
>

LOL, you are just so wonderful Stella. LOL
Thankx

Laura

x

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In <34326EBA...@bellsouth.net> Pitbull3 <pitb...@bellsouth.net>
writes:

>> according to my sources///....spet 13 tracy struck ..wife with
fist...and told her 'IM GONNA KILL YOU BITCH"....facts of the case will
be forwarded throught to the d.a.'s office in nevada..could be more on
this story,,,the fight started after wife..confronted tracy about
outrageous gambling at a casino....police report on file in reno...not
gossip...public record....pray for the both of them


When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
actually do it.

This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
rageful behavior, too.

x

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In <3433DE1F...@unc.edu> Bob Northcott <bob_no...@unc.edu>
writes:
>
>How do those unfortunate enough to have never been breast fed deal
with this?


It depends, Bob. Some mothers don't breast feed but still give their
babies lots of physical love and attention. If your Mom was like this
and then removed her affections suddenly, you might have the same
sublimated DIE BITCH hostility as Tracy Lawrence.

On the other hand, some mothers get so revolted looking at their babies
that they never want to touch them. If your Mom felt this way about
you, Bob, then you should be mentally normal and healthy.

Stella


Scott

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Oct 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/2/97
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Funny, Stella. I'm not believing any of this whole story, or the police
report, until we hear Tracy's side. But haven't you heard--members of
this newsgroup believe, which I don't go along with, that death threats
show good "temperment" and ethics.

Kenzie

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Oct 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/2/97
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>
>
> It's probably gonna take several Hot New Country love songs for Tracy
> to win back women fans' hearts.
>
> Stella

I'll still buy his music. He's still a darn good singer.

F. Gentry

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Oct 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/2/97
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Hey Tracy is just getting his fair share of the women. All the bubble
gum crowd will be surprised at the women thrown their way. "Yield not
to Temtation". Easy to say. Watch for more fights and fusses. After
they get to be big stars they suddenly don't need the little woman
anymore.

Bob Northcott

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x wrote:

> When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
> their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
> takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
> BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
>
> actually do it.
>
> This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
> compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
> rageful behavior, too.
>

How do those unfortunate enough to have never been breast fed deal with
this?


JC SIMON

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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:53:40 GMT, rad...@ix.netcom.NOSPAMcom wrote:

>Would it be too much to ask that we let ye olde "due process" take its
>course?
>

>The man has been *accused* of beating his wife. He has not been *convicted*.
>
>
>(Oh, I know -- no woman would ever falsely accuse a man, right? Because
>women are better than men. More honest. Right?)

The sad part of that incident, as much as I didn't want to
believe it, was that it was recorded by the surveillance cameras.

J.C. SIMON
ci...@intermind.net
jcs...@broadcast.net

Jhwk93

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Oct 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/3/97
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In article <343425...@hotmail.com>, Scott <scot...@hotmail.com> writes:

>>
>> When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
>> their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
>> takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
>> BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
>> actually do it.
>>
>> This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
>> compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
>> rageful behavior, too.
>>

>> Tracy needs to go back and take care of his inner child. It would help
>> him grieve out his childhood losses if he recorded a country song

>> called "I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."

Gosh Stella....I had no idea you were a psychologist. But then again from
everything above it is obvious you are not. It is a bunch of BS. But
maybe you figured that was what your degree stood for...

Trust me. I'm one who knows. Two degrees in psychology....


Denise Rae
http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/2432/

"This world is not conclusion;
A sequel stands beyond,
Invisible as music,
But positive, as sound."
---Emily Dickinson

U8ITISAW

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Oct 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/3/97
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>It depends, Bob. Some mothers don't breast feed but still give their
>babies lots of physical love and attention. If your Mom was like this
>and then removed her affections suddenly, you might have the same
>sublimated DIE BITCH hostility as Tracy Lawrence.
>
>On the other hand, some mothers get so revolted looking at their babies
>that they never want to touch them. If your Mom felt this way about
>you, Bob, then you should be mentally normal and healthy.
>
>Stella
>
Stella

Your are one sick puppy!!
Thankx

Laura

FBatchelor

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>Funny, Stella. I'm not believing any of this whole story, or the police
>report, until we hear Tracy's side. But haven't you heard--members of
>this newsgroup believe, which I don't go along with, that death threats
>show good "temperment" and ethics.
>
>
>
Check it out at www.bmsnews.com

U8ITISAW

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>Funny, Stella. I'm not believing any of this whole story, or the police
>report, until we hear Tracy's side.

I haven't heard a word about it, nor did I see the TNN comment on it not saying
that there wasn't one. I have only heard it in this nsg and I sure don't take
what I hear here to heart.


Thankx

Laura

Glen Quarnstrom

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Bob Northcott <bob_no...@unc.edu> wrote:

>x wrote:
>
>> When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
>> their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
>> takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
>> BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
>>
>> actually do it.
>>
>> This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
>> compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
>> rageful behavior, too.
>>
>

>How do those unfortunate enough to have never been breast fed deal with
>this?

They obsess on Shania, of course.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/

LDB1243

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>Stella writes:
>

>When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
>their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
>takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
>BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
>actually do it.
>
>This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
>compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
>rageful behavior, too.
>

>Tracy needs to go back and take care of his inner child. It would help
>him grieve out his childhood losses if he recorded a country song

>called "I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."
>
>Hey, it worked for Guns N Roses.
>
>Stella


Oh, phew!! Thank goodness!! For a moment there, I was
afraid you were gonna suggest he regress back and start
breastfeeding again!!


Ray

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Oct 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/3/97
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The Junkyard Dog, ever alert, notes that on2 Oct 1997 14:17:24 GMT,
guyg...@ix.netcom.com(x) gave us the following words of wisdom:


>When men like Tracy do this, they are raging at their mothers through
>their wifes. Why? It often has to do with breast-feeding. When Mom
>takes her breast away too soon, the baby thinks: "I'M GONNA KILL YOU
>BITCH." But of course babies don't have any way to say this, much less
>actually do it.
>This repressed feeling lies dormant for many years and bursts out
>compulsively against the wife. Gambling can be a form of compulsive,
>rageful behavior, too.
>Tracy needs to go back and take care of his inner child. It would help
>him grieve out his childhood losses if he recorded a country song
>called "I'M GONNA KILL YOU BITCH."
>Hey, it worked for Guns N Roses.
>Stella

This is clearly bullshit Guy. Please don't feed us all the
psychological claptrap.
If the stories are true, then he has fallen into the trap that has
ensnared so many before him. Fame has gone to his head. He has got too
big for his hat, thinks he is above the law, and has no need to
conform to accepted levels of decency.
I hope the stories are untrue, but the old saying 'no smoke without
fire' comes to mind. Pity.

Ray
Ray. From the kennel of the Junkyard Dog
Lincolnshire, England.
101 Proof. Rock on the country side.
A bit more than three chords and the truth
http://www.101proof.mcmail.com

Bob Northcott

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x wrote:

> In <3433DE1F...@unc.edu> Bob Northcott <bob_no...@unc.edu>
> writes:

Dang! I knew something screwy happenend back there somewhere, but I
never could figure out what it was.
Until now!


x

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In <3434e8fc...@news.mcmail.com> Coca...@mcmail.com (Ray)
writes:

>This is clearly bullshit Guy. Please don't feed us all the
psychological claptrap. If the stories are true, then he has fallen
into the trap that has ensnared so many before him. Fame has gone to
his head. He has got too big for his hat, thinks he is above the law,
and has no need to conform to accepted levels of decency. I hope the
stories are untrue, but the old saying 'no smoke without fire' comes to
mind. Pity.


It's not bullshit. Men rage at their mothers through their wives. This
stuff is old. It's not about being famous. Just ask any sheriff on a
Saturday night or Sunday morning.

The other near certainty is that Tracy grew up around at least one male
role model who was a wife abuser. The seeds are planted early.

When I say we're trying to break the chains, this is what I mean.
Fathers need to accept responsibility for being better role models.
When they lose control and rage against women, they need to apologize
not just to the women but also to the children. They need to explain to
children why it's wrong and unacceptable.

It doesn't help the cause to have all these crap songs sung by Tracy
and others about how great, wise and kind old dad was. It's called
"revisionism."

Stella


J.B.

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Oct 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM10/4/97
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In article <612udn$b...@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, guyg...@ix.netcom.co
says...

>
>It's not bullshit. Men rage at their mothers through their wives. This
>stuff is old. It's not about being famous. Just ask any sheriff on a
>Saturday night or Sunday morning.
>
>The other near certainty is that Tracy grew up around at least one male
>role model who was a wife abuser. The seeds are planted early.
>
>When I say we're trying to break the chains, this is what I mean.
>Fathers need to accept responsibility for being better role models.
>When they lose control and rage against women, they need to apologize
>not just to the women but also to the children. They need to explain to
>children why it's wrong and unacceptable.
> Stella

Gee, thanks for passing along your wisdom on the matter. It ties in so
nicely with your other revelations, Guy, like your statement last month that
"it's O.K to beat someone up if they upset you" or, perhaps
some of your posts about the value of murdering police officers.
I'm glad you are so in touch with the feelings of human compassion,
and are tirelessly crusading for the rights of others, when you're not busy
condoning beating people up, and killing cops.
Give your head a shake, Guy
Are there internet connections in mental health facilities in the States?
J.B.


John Dybala

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x <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: In <6197i2$47...@holly.ColoState.EDU> John Dybala
: <jdy...@holly.ColoState.EDU> writes:
: >
: >What are your thoughts on Promise Keepers?

: The Promise Keepers serve a valuable role, John, as does the country
: music radio cartel.

: The Promise Keepers and cartel both are conservative causes trying to
: hold back the pace of change.

Hmm. They want to change the statistics on spousal abuse, absentee
fathers, and divorce by calling men to worship a higher power or, at
least, subscribe to a moral code that meets a higher standard than
most people in this country do. PK urges men to accept responsibility
and become better role models in their homes and communities.

What's interesting is, I followed up to the following comment by you:

"When I say we're trying to break the chains, this is what I mean.
Fathers need to accept responsibility for being better role models."

But, of course, this is a *Christian* organization we're talking
about, therefore the fact that PK seeks this goal becomes
irrelevant.

: Of course, their struggle is in vain. The forces of change always
: defeat the forces of conservatism eventually.

PK is a Christian group, but Christian does not equate with
conservative. Well, except in the minds of the media. I personally
would say it is right of center, but certainly closer to the center
than it was in 1990.

: People like me are warriors. We strap on our armour everyday and go
: forth to fight the Promise Keepers and BTOs. Without opponents, we
: warriors of change are useless and out of business. We must not only
: move society forward, John, but also keep ourselves gainfully employed.

So, exactly *what* about Promise Keepers are you fighting against?
Other than what Patricia Ireland told you?

John

--
-----------------------------------------------------------
John J. Dybala, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO
New Divorcee Barbie -- she comes with all of Ken's stuff

jo wilson

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To change the direction this country is going in, we are going to have
to strengthen the family unit. Men need to take moral leadership. It
is the only answer for our kids.

Speaking as a female, P. Ireland doesn't speak for me.
--
Jo
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.

John Dybala

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Glen Quarnstrom <gl...@NOSPAMcyberhighway.net> wrote:

: Why aren't those guys home with those wives and families they claim to
: love, rather than playing yuppie political games in Washington for the
: TV cameras? Why didn't they bring those wives and families with them
: to share the experience?

Are you seriously asking, or just trying to be antagonistic?

Your point is well-taken. However, as far as why women were not
invited ... PK is a men's group and there are things that come up
at events like this ... or anywhere else in life ... that are
easier to share with other men. I personally have faced times
where I have waited for an entire room to clear to talk to my pastor,
because I didn't want other people in general, and women in
particular, to hear what I was discussing. (It was a personal
matter. Please leave it at that.)

The short answer, albeit an incomplete one because of how it
appears at face value, is that it wasn't an even where a strong
female presence would have been welcome or appropriate.

If you seriously would like to discuss this further, I'll
check in with you tomorrow, when I'm not under the influence
of migraine medication.

x

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In <6197i2$47...@holly.ColoState.EDU> John Dybala
<jdy...@holly.ColoState.EDU> writes:
>
>What are your thoughts on Promise Keepers?


The Promise Keepers serve a valuable role, John, as does the country
music radio cartel.

The Promise Keepers and cartel both are conservative causes trying to
hold back the pace of change.

They are fighting the same enemy, which is the army of change...we who
want to go beyond the patriarchal values which have served our world
well for 2000 years.

Of course, their struggle is in vain. The forces of change always
defeat the forces of conservatism eventually.

Where our forces of change must struggle against formidable opposition,
like the Promise Keepers and cartel, change is achieved with more
public acceptance and deeper roots than it would otherwise achieve.
What we change-seekers fear the most is capitulation by the
conservatives. Then, change sweeps forward headlong, and backlashes
against us occur. It can sometimes take half a century to overcome a
strong, justified conservative backlash.

People like me are warriors. We strap on our armour everyday and go
forth to fight the Promise Keepers and BTOs. Without opponents, we
warriors of change are useless and out of business. We must not only
move society forward, John, but also keep ourselves gainfully employed.

Change is gain, John.

Stella

x

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In <619f0b$c...@holly.ColoState.EDU> John Dybala
<jdy...@holly.ColoState.EDU> writes:

>So, exactly *what* about Promise Keepers are you fighting against?
>Other than what Patricia Ireland told you?


I'm a lot smarter than Patricia Ireland, John.

The 21st century will be a spiritual century. There will be huge
interest in where we came from, who we are, and where we are going
through the cosmos. Life on other planets... biogenetics...metaphysical
demonstrations, etc.

New religions will emerge next century to capture and focus spiritual
demand.

The old religions can't divorce mankind's spiritual needs from
patriarchal moral dogma. And they are doomed.

There will be no moral basis in the new religions. Patriarchy is
characterized, in large part, by the need for a common code of
male-dominated moral behavior centered in religion. And patriarchy will
soon be dead.

So, John, Promise Keepers are a desperate fling by those who cling to
morals-based religion. Fathers doing a better job? No problem. Fathers
doing a better job because it's the Christian thing, and Christ said
men should not be gay and rule women and slap children around. Big
problems there, John.

Stella


Pamela McDuffie

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I have yet to see anything in print on this story.
Should make good sales for the tabloids! As for
Lorianne, seeing her "report" the news reminds me of the song "Dirty
Laundry," complete with the gleam in her eye!

Pamela McDuffie

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I'll still buy his music, too.

Nancy J. Winton

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check out http://www.bmsnews.com
10/06
it says Tracy may faces charges over it.
Nancy

John Dybala

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x <guyg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

: The 21st century will be a spiritual century. There will be huge


: interest in where we came from, who we are, and where we are going
: through the cosmos. Life on other planets... biogenetics...metaphysical
: demonstrations, etc.

As opposed to ... what? My personal observation is that all these things
are taking place now.

: There will be no moral basis in the new religions. Patriarchy is


: characterized, in large part, by the need for a common code of
: male-dominated moral behavior centered in religion. And patriarchy will
: soon be dead.

Religion, by definition, requires some sort of moral basis. How can
you have a religion with no moral basis?

: Christ said


: men should not be gay and rule women and slap children around. Big
: problems there, John.

I know you put this in here purely to bait me, but I'm going to
say it anyway: where did Christ EVER say any of these things?
I know all these items appear elsewhere in the Bible, but Christ
didn't say them. (By the way, "spare the rod and spoil the child"
does appear in Proverbs but I am sure it was never intended to serve
as permission to punch a child's lights out. Many parents use an
open hand to slap their child when he/she has done something wrong.
This is a fair sight different from "slapping children around" in the
context I believe you mean.)

x

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In <19971007121...@ladder01.news.aol.com> don...@aol.com
(DONDI3) writes:
>
>In article <61aip5$9...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>,

>guyg...@ix.netcom.com(x) writes:
>
>> Big
>>problems there, John.
>>
>>Stella
>
>Only for you, Guy...only for you...and those like you who refuse to
>recognize aberrations & cyclic nature of things.
>
>The pendulum has begun to swing the other way...and its gonna hit
people like you right in the back of the head...
>
>So sad, all the wasted talent & energy...


Do you truly think that your backward-swinging pendulum can erase
cyberspace...and all that it means to mankind?

If so...why are you here?

Stella


DONDI3

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> Big
>problems there, John.
>
>Stella

Only for you, Guy...only for you...and those like you who refuse to
recognize aberrations & cyclic nature of things.

The pendulum has begun to swing the other way...and its gonna hit people
like you
right in the back of the head...

So sad, all the wasted talent & energy...

Dondi3
Buy, Sell, Trade, Appraise. Established 1980.
Coming the Iowa State Coin show in Waterloo October 11 & 12? Stop by &
say "hello".

rad...@nospambigfoot.com

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On 4 Oct 1997 19:55:10 GMT, jbst...@renc.removethis.igs.net (J.B.)
wondered:


> Are there internet connections in mental health facilities in the States?


There apparently are. "Stella" keeps getting online, somehow.


________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________

When replying, remove NOSPAM from my return address.
Successfully thwarting the friggin' spammers since 1997.

x

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In <6166uu$on6$5...@news.igs.net> jbst...@renc.removethis.igs.net (J.B.)
writes:

>
>Gee, thanks for passing along your wisdom on the matter. It ties in so
nicely with your other revelations, Guy, like your statement last month
that "it's O.K to beat someone up if they upset you" or, perhaps some
of your posts about the value of murdering police officers. I'm glad
you are so in touch with the feelings of human compassion, and are
tirelessly crusading for the rights of others, when you're not busy
condoning beating people up, and killing cops. Give your head a shake,

Guy Are there internet connections in mental health facilities in the
States?


You don't understand the difference between reality and fantasy, JB.
It's my fantasy to beat up a policeman. It's what I daydream about.
Will I ever do it? Maybe not. But at least I don't sit around
daydreaming about Tom Cruise.

Stella

Glen Quarnstrom

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jbst...@renc.removethis.igs.net (J.B.) wrote:

<J.B. indulges himself in Yet Another Gratuitous StellaBash>

> Are there internet connections in mental health facilities in the States?

Yeah. It's called "AOL."
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/

Debbie Caudill

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On Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:36:16 -0700, "Nancy J. Winton"
<nwi...@edge.net> muttered:

Did you also read the part where it says that rumors are circulating
around Nashville that they are trying to reconcile? Now if this is
true, what does it say about her "alleged" story of abuse? This woman
isn't stupid, she doesn't appear to have any self esteem problems, she
has her own money (not to mention that she comes from a affluent
family), why would she go back to someone that "supposedly" beat her
so bad? This whole mess doesn't jive with me....sorry.
Debbie
dcaudill@***fuse.net
http://home.fuse.net/dcaudill
Please remove the *'s when replying via email!


DONDI3

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In article <61dbrp$h...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>,
guyg...@ix.netcom.com(x) writes:

>
>Do you truly think that your backward-swinging pendulum can erase
>cyberspace...and all that it means to mankind?
>
>If so...why are you here?
>
>Stella
>
>

I dunno about that, all that I know is it always does...and gets guys like
you by surprise when you're facing the wrong way...and, oh...unlike you,
I'm here to discuss and enhance my enjoyment of country music...but you've
never known what
it is, much less liked it.

Why are *you* here?

x

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In <19971008000...@ladder02.news.aol.com> don...@aol.com
(DONDI3) writes:

>Why are *you* here?


I'm here to bring down as many BTOs and cartel people as possible.

Stella

DONDI3

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In article <61erbr$2...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
guyg...@ix.netcom.com(x) writes:

>
>>Why are *you* here?
>
>
>I'm here to bring down as many BTOs and cartel people as possible.
>
>Stella
>
>

Aaaand, like the chubby dachshund that keeps waddling after
semitrucks...exactly what do you plan to do, in the unlikely event that you
do "bring one down"?

So far, except for your continual barking, you're having about as much
success as
the average dachshund and the semis keep rollin' thru...

Ever see what happens to a lil' doggie when he actually gets his teeth
caught in those rubber tires at 30-35 mph? Eeeewwww!

Stetzonman

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don...@aol.com (DONDI3) dribbles,

<<Why are *you* here?>>

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm here to jot down lame, annoying
commercial advertising info from peoples' "sig file thingies" and hop the
quickest plane to go to State coin shows in Iowa!

--Stetzonman

DONDI3

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In article <19971008230...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
stetz...@aol.com (Stetzonman) writes:

>
>I don't know about anyone else, but I'm here to jot down lame,

annoying

> commercial advertising info from peoples' "sig file thingies" and hop the
> quickest plane to go to State coin shows in Iowa!
>
>--Stetzonman
>
><<Dondi3
>Buy, Sell, Trade, Appraise. Established 1980.
>Coming the Iowa State Coin show in Waterloo October 11 & 12? Stop by &
>say "hello".>>
>
>

Glad to hear my sig file thingy is doing what I want it to do...in your
case, at least.

nyah...nyah...

Glen Quarnstrom

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don...@aol.com (DONDI3) wrote:

>In article <19971008230...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>stetz...@aol.com (Stetzonman) writes:

<blah, blah, blah>

Get a room, you two. This group is not for public flirting.
--
gl...@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~glenq/

Debbie Caudill

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On 14 Oct 1997 05:09:06 GMT, south...@aol.com (SouthrnElf) muttered:

>In article <34397eef...@nntp.fuse.net>, dcau...@fuse.net (Debbie
>Caudill) writes:
>

> haven't seen it in print by now then you must have simply missed it
>- it was in a lot of papers this week. I am copying the Associated Press
>story below. BTW in answer to your question - women often return to
>abusers because they love them and feel that they mean what they say when
>they promise never to do it again. Some do but that in itself is seldom
>enough to prevent them from repeating the behaviour. Right now Tracey has a
>lot of incentive to convince her he has changed too. If they reconcile she
>most likely will refuse to testify against him. Also it will help him in
>"the court of public opinion" and his image is in real trouble now. I
>have consuled women in this situation and they often return several times
>before they give up on a relationship. Unfortunately I think too many of
>us were taught to "Stand By Your Man" until the bitter end. Some don't
>deserve that kind of loyalty. Often they can talk the women into giving it
>just one more chance many times before she forces him into either getting
>counseling or she leaves.
>
First off, let me start by stating this is one side of the story as
I've said numerous times, ANYONE can go file a police
report...secondly, I have talked with Tracy's fan club president who
works inside of the Tracy Lawrence Enterprises, she knows the man
personally and well. She states there is NO TRUTH to the rumor that
they are getting back together. Her belief, along with mine is that
this is a revenge tactic. Everything I have read, seen or heard about
TL goes against this. I was married to an abuser so I know well the
signs of one and I in no way condone domestic violence, there is no
reason at all for a man to hit a woman. However like I have said, this
is HER side of the story and HERS alone. Since no charges have been
filed as of yet, I would venture to say that in all probability none
will be filed. I say that people should wait and hear both sides, and
wait until the man is proven guilty before coming to assumptions.
> The Associated Press
>
> LAS VEGAS (AP) - Tracy Lawrence is being investigated for
>allegedly hitting the former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader he married
>in March and filed to divorce last month.
> His estranged wife, Stacie Drew Lawrence, called police on Sept.
>13 from a hotel-casino in Primm, 43 miles south of Las Vegas,
>Police Detective Mitch Spears said Thursday.
> ``There was a fight involving him and his wife, and his wife
>sustained some injuries,'' Spears said.
> Mrs. Lawrence did not have to be taken to a hospital, Spears
>said. The case was submitted Wednesday to prosecutors.
> Lawrence's attorney, Rose Palermo, declined comment.
> Lawrence was in Primm for a concert. He is known for country
>hits like ``Time Marches On,'' ``Sticks and Stones'' and ``Any Fool
>Can See.''
> AP-NY-10-10-97 0712EDT
> Copyright 1997 The Associated Press.

Pamela McDuffie

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"IF" all this is true, it would be best for Stacie to
stay clear of Tracy. "IF" it is true, I hope that he would go into
counseling. There is nothing to be ashamed of if help is needed.

SouthrnElf

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In article <34397eef...@nntp.fuse.net>, dcau...@fuse.net (Debbie
Caudill) writes:

>>Pamela McDuffie wrote:
>>>
>>> I have yet to see anything in print on this story.
>>> Should make good sales for the tabloids! As for
>>> Lorianne, seeing her "report" the news reminds me of the song "Dirty
>>> Laundry," complete with the gleam in her eye!
>>check out http://www.bmsnews.com
>>10/06
>>it says Tracy may faces charges over it.
>>Nancy
>Did you also read the part where it says that rumors are circulating
>around Nashville that they are trying to reconcile? Now if this is
>true, what does it say about her "alleged" story of abuse? This woman
>isn't stupid, she doesn't appear to have any self esteem problems, she
>has her own money (not to mention that she comes from a affluent
>family), why would she go back to someone that "supposedly" beat her
>so bad? This whole mess doesn't jive with me....sorry.
>Debbie
>dcaudill@***fuse.net

If you haven't seen it in print by now then you must have simply missed it


- it was in a lot of papers this week. I am copying the Associated Press
story below. BTW in answer to your question - women often return to
abusers because they love them and feel that they mean what they say when
they promise never to do it again. Some do but that in itself is seldom
enough to prevent them from repeating the behaviour. Right now Tracey has a
lot of incentive to convince her he has changed too. If they reconcile she
most likely will refuse to testify against him. Also it will help him in
"the court of public opinion" and his image is in real trouble now. I
have consuled women in this situation and they often return several times
before they give up on a relationship. Unfortunately I think too many of
us were taught to "Stand By Your Man" until the bitter end. Some don't
deserve that kind of loyalty. Often they can talk the women into giving it
just one more chance many times before she forces him into either getting
counseling or she leaves.

U8ITISAW

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>Did you also read the part where it says that rumors are circulating
>around Nashville that they are trying to reconcile? Now if this is
>true, what does it say about her "alleged" story of abuse? This woman
>isn't stupid, she doesn't appear to have any self esteem problems, she
>has her own money (not to mention that she comes from a affluent
>family), why would she go back to someone that "supposedly" beat her
>so bad? This whole mess doesn't jive with me....sorry.
>Debbie
>dcaudill@***fuse.net
>http://home.fuse.net/dcaudill
>Please remove the *'s when replying via email!
>
>
You can get a copy of many books that will tell you why women or men go back to
abusives partners.


Thankx

Laura

Dylan's Mom

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Debbie,
Didn't AP say that the police came and took a report and that she had
visible signs of injuries? Do you think she beat herself up? Personally I
agree that it is best to try to reserve judgement, but if he didn't cause
her injuries then who did?
--
TBu...@Netgate.compaqnospam.com

Debbie Caudill <dcau...@fuse.net> wrote in article
<3447503...@nntp.fuse.net>...


> On 14 Oct 1997 05:09:06 GMT, south...@aol.com (SouthrnElf) muttered:
>

> First off, let me start by stating this is one side of the story as
> I've said numerous times, ANYONE can go file a police
> report...secondly, I have talked with Tracy's fan club president who
> works inside of the Tracy Lawrence Enterprises, she knows the man
> personally and well. She states there is NO TRUTH to the rumor that
> they are getting back together. Her belief, along with mine is that
> this is a revenge tactic. Everything I have read, seen or heard about
> TL goes against this. I was married to an abuser so I know well the
> signs of one and I in no way condone domestic violence, there is no
> reason at all for a man to hit a woman. However like I have said, this
> is HER side of the story and HERS alone. Since no charges have been
> filed as of yet, I would venture to say that in all probability none
> will be filed. I say that people should wait and hear both sides, and
> wait until the man is proven guilty before coming to assumptions.

> > The Associated Press
> >
> > LAS VEGAS (AP) - Tracy Lawrence is being investigated for
> >allegedly hitting the former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader he married
> >in March and filed to divorce last month.
> > His estranged wife, Stacie Drew Lawrence, called police on Sept.
> >13 from a hotel-casino in Primm, 43 miles south of Las Vegas,
> >Police Detective Mitch Spears said Thursday.
> > ``There was a fight involving him and his wife, and his wife
> >sustained some injuries,'' Spears said.
> > Mrs. Lawrence did not have to be taken to a hospital, Spears
> >said. The case was submitted Wednesday to prosecutors.
> > Lawrence's attorney, Rose Palermo, declined comment.
> > Lawrence was in Primm for a concert. He is known for country
> >hits like ``Time Marches On,'' ``Sticks and Stones'' and ``Any Fool
> >Can See.''
> > AP-NY-10-10-97 0712EDT
> > Copyright 1997 The Associated Press.
>

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