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Min L Shaw

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Jan 22, 2003, 11:32:12 PM1/22/03
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For the purposes of this thread, no current global events, sociopolitical
views, Toby Keith or the Dixie Chicks can be mentioned. So, here's the
question, which came to me via another thread...Let's talk about concerts. Do
you like concerts or not? I know a lot of people who think the fuss at a show
is obnoxious, who think stage antics detract from music, and who would really
rather not have to pay money to maybe find out the artist they like might be a
hack. Do you like smaller venues (like your local honky tonk) or arenas?
Headliner with one opener or a package show? What about things like the Neon
Circus, with a lot of peripheral things going on outside the stage area? What
about cover songs, especially from established artists with enough material of
their own they don't need to do them for the crowd's sake anymore? Who was the
first act you saw perform a concert? Your favorite? Have you ever seen
someone live and it changed what you thought about them as a musician (for
better or worse)? What you thought of them as a person? Anyone you regret not
having seen? Anyone you regret having seen? I normally offer my answers to my
initial questions for threads I start, but I think you've already read too much
in this post as it is. Have at it, and I'll add my thoughts and experiences
tomorrow or thereabouts.

Jeff Wall

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Jan 23, 2003, 12:13:14 AM1/23/03
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First Concert - Marshall Tucker Band, with some hippie chick singer named
Emmylou Harris as opening act.

Best Concert - Johnny Cash in a club.

Biggest surprise concert - Gary Allan. w/ Jody Maphis and Ollie O'Shea in teh
band. It was a good show.

Biggest Disappointmet - Waylon about 5 or 6 years ago. Very boring show,
almost like he phoned it in.

Covers? I like them. Gary Allan did a good job on Buck Owens "Before You Go"
and Faron Young's "Wine Me Up". Cash killed on Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage and
Beck's Rowboat".

I don't like arena shows. I like clubs. I prefer Bluegrass festivals becvause
you get more of a chance to interact with teh artists. I only attend big arena
shows when I've got backstage credentials as I hate crowds.

Barbara Sherrill

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Jan 23, 2003, 3:21:17 AM1/23/03
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Best of Luck Min! I tried this a thousand times, hope it works here.

Best Concert I have ever been to was not a country show. Billy Joel and
Elton John on the same stage together.

The concert I cherish the most right now is The Bee Gees back in 79. 5th
row; center section seats.


Lou West

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Jan 23, 2003, 2:06:10 AM1/23/03
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Not sure I want to admit it, but First concert: Poison (Hey, the tickets
were free and on the floor)...

Best Concert: Toss Up....For sheer entertainment, Chris LeDoux....For
outright musical talent, Glen Campbell

Covers: A good thing, I think....kind of lets you see the influences behind
the artist.

As far as venue, I think it depends on the artist. If it is a high energy
act, I like the larger venues, but for something/someone a little more laid
back, I like the smaller venues: i.e., I can't imagine a small venue for
Chris LeDoux, there simply wouldn't be enough room for him to romp, at the
same time, I think Vince Gill's Exit/In series was brilliant, to me he's the
kind of artist that flourishes in close proximity to the audience.

mslinda

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Jan 23, 2003, 7:35:30 PM1/23/03
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Min L Shaw wrote:

> For the purposes of this thread, no current global events, sociopolitical
> views, Toby Keith or the Dixie Chicks can be mentioned. So, here's the
> question, which came to me via another thread...Let's talk about concerts. Do
> you like concerts or not? I know a lot of people who think the fuss at a show
> is obnoxious, who think stage antics detract from music, and who would really
> rather not have to pay money to maybe find out the artist they like might be a
> hack. Do you like smaller venues (like your local honky tonk) or arenas?

Much prefer clubs. I fell lucky to live near the Sunset Strip where there are tons
of clubs with music going all the time. The House of Blues is the best for
country-type acts. I've seen Waylon, Steve Earle, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson &
Leon Russell, Lucinda Williams, Jerry Jeff Walker and many more there. The
Troubadour has had tons of great acts since the 60s.
When I was doing Country Fever, I went to 2-3 arena-type concerts a week and got
totally burned out on them. The worst was the night at the Hollywood Bowl after a
Garth Brooks concert when we were hemmed in and couldn't get out f the parking
lot. It was after midnight and I had to go to work in the morning. Grrrrrr!
Concerts are fun when you're young but I've had enough. If I have to go to a
concert venue, make it the Greek Theatre.
I'm happy that there are open-mike type hangs going on in clubs around here now.
Those are fun. I like being able to jump into a cab, be at a club in five minutes
and not have to hassle parking, waiting, standing in line, etc . Lemme in and sell
me a beer!


> Who was the
> first act you saw perform a concert?

A package show at the Coliseum in Montgomery, Alabama in 1964. Hank Jr is the only
act I can remember now.


> Your favorite? Have you ever seen
> someone live and it changed what you thought about them as a musician (for
> better or worse)? What you thought of them as a person?

I first saw Waylon Jennings at the Troubadour in 1973 and it changed my life. No
one else has ever affected me that way. I saw him there again in 1976, plus at the
Roxy & the Hollywood Bowl in 1976 and numerous other times and places afterwards,
the last being in 1996.

> Anyone you regret not
> having seen?

Hank Sr., the Beatles, Lynyrd Skynrd. Most of the people I wanted the see, I did
see at least once. I saw the Stones in 1972 at the Forum, but now I'd rather watch
that HBO concert that a friend taped for me than go through the hassle of seeing
them in an arena.

> Anyone you regret having seen?

Not really, but only because I hardly ever *paid* to see anybody. There have been
acts I saw that were huge and I never got what the fuss was about. Sometimes it's
sad to see a once-dynamic act grow old and lose their powers. I first saw Johnny
Cash in 1968 and last saw him in 1997.

I'd like add some categories of my own:

Most meterologically miserable concert: Alabama opening the Greek season in the
mid-80s. Just as they were being announced, the skies opened up and rain poured
the entire concert. We we all soaked to the skin. After the show, Randy told me
that he kept expecting the whole audience to get up and walk out. I said why, we
were already too drenched to get any wetter.

Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (outdoor venue): Waylon and Hank Jr. in Orange County in
1987.

Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (indoor venue): Jerry Jeff Walker at the HOB in 1996. He
was singing "Trashy Women" and a catfight broke out on the dance floor.


Linda C.

Barbara Sherrill

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"mslinda" <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (outdoor venue): Waylon and Hank Jr. in Orange
County in
> 1987.
>
> Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (indoor venue): Jerry Jeff Walker at the HOB in
1996. He
> was singing "Trashy Women" and a catfight broke out on the dance floor.
>
>
> Linda C.
>

Hey that is who I saw with the drunkest and rowdiest crowd! Good Ole JJW!!!

Barb

>
>


Min L Shaw

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Jan 23, 2003, 9:32:57 PM1/23/03
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I was planning on offering my concert experiences, but I'm glad I waited,
because I like the addendums!

Firstly, I love concerts. If the price is right, hell, I'll go see someone I'm
not even that big a fan of, just to see live entertainment.

Someone earlier said they had a venue size preference based on the act, and I
tend to agree. Overall, though, I think I prefer either an intimate, honky
tonk level size or, at most, an ampitheatre. The only way to really enjoy a
large arena is to find a lot of friends to go with you, and sometimes, that's
hard. I was actually pretty bored in 2001 at the George Strait festival
because I was with just my brother and one friend...Mind you, we were ON THE
FIELD LEVEL! It was just too hard to feel connected to the musicians or to
group activity.

>Lemme in and sell
>me a beer!

Amen!

The first act I saw perform a concert was Trisha Yearwood, opening for some guy
called Garth Brooks. I have to say, Garth was more of an event than a concert.
I'll never forget going to Kroger to get issued an armband with a number that
determined how soon we could buy tickets. Hell of a thing!

My favorite concert performer? Clay Walker has more energy and sustains
control of a crowd quite well. George Strait is The Man. But, I gotta say,
I'll go see Montgomery Gentry any chance I get. They're not polished, but they
have fun and so does the entire crowd.

Whom do I regret not having seen? Waylon F'n Jennings! If I don't get to
during their farewell tour, add Alabama to that list. Still haven't seen Kenny
Rogers, Randy Travis or Chris LeDoux, but I intend to.

Whom do I regret having seen? I can't say I've regretting seeing anyone. I've
seen some acts I didn't get much out of, but then, they were just acts that
were with someone I wanted to see, so it didn't really disappoint me. There's
one act I outright dislike and I saw that act on a package show, and as much as
I hated seeing that act, at least I knew for sure I really, genuinely, honestly
disliked them.

Most meteorologically miserable concert? Hmm...It rained during George
Strait's set in 1999, but not much; in fact, during "Carrying Your Love With
Me," George smiled and gestured at the sky during the line, "On a lonely
highway, stuck out in the rain..." The only time the elements were really a
problem was during the Neon Circus in Indianapolis last year; the sun was
bearing right down on the lawn until it went down, so for 80% of the acts, we
were blinded and miserable. Whomever is responsible for the layout of that
place should be shot!

Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (outdoor): Montgomery Gentry, Fourth of July, 2002.
Rodney Carrington must've been there somewhere yelling, "Show me yer titties!"
'cause plenty of women did. (Also, this is also the concert I've most
regretted not having brought a camera.)

Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (indoor): Probably Hank, Jr. at the 2001 KY State
Fair, with Eddie & T-Roy opening, followed by a guy I agreed wouldn't be
mentioned in this thread. The highlight was probably when, entirely
unannounced, Cledus T. showed up! He got onstage with Montgomery Gentry for
"Hillbilly Shoes" and worked the crowd between sets. It was fun!

Also, the first time I saw a fight break out at a show was Gary Allan in 2001
at Coyote's. Guy A slugged Guy B, who collided with people next to me. I just
shrugged it off and kept singing along with whatever Haggard cover it was that
Gary was singing at the moment.

Dan Sgambelluri

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Jan 23, 2003, 9:37:27 PM1/23/03
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I love concerts, whether it's live and in person or on TV.

I think a right amount of stage antics are good.   There are alot of artists
who go over the edge for stage antics for a song that shouldn't have stage
antics.  The artist is there to entertain both with audio and visual.  If
the artist stands behind a mic and their guitar for the whole show.  To me,
that's boring because the artist is not entertaining me visually.  There is
nothing wrong with an artist standing behind a mic and their guitar to sing
a ballad.

For the size of the venue, it depends on the artist.  I wouldn't want to see
Britney Spears perform in a bar because it doesn't suit her.  For an artist that
likes to sign autographs after the show, a big arena is not a good idea.  Where
I am, are biggest arena holds around 4000 and the sound systems sucks. 

I have seen one show with a headliner and an opening act and the opening act
was the best.  Amy Sky was the opening act and the Cowboy Junkies was the
headliner.  Amy had very good stage presence, talked to the audeince well
and moved around the stage and had her daughter sing the last line from her
hit I Will Take Care Of You.  Margo Timmins, the lead singer for the Cowboy
Junkies, performed her show on a stoll.  She didn't talk to the audience.
This doesn't count the the 2 country festivals I've been too.  For package
shows, it depends on the artists performing like the country fesitivals.

Cover songs are good as long as the artist is influenced by the song or the
artist who made the song famous or the song fits well with the other songs
in the show or within the song.  For example.  During Madonna's Girlie Show,
During her ballad Rain, she sang Just My Imagination in replace of the
spoken word that is found in the original version of Rain.   Just My
Imagination fit perfectly with Rain.  Another example, at both Lace
concerts' I've been to.  Giselle sings Patsy Cline's I Fall To Pieces.  Lace
also sang Route 66  and during the first concert, they began to sing
Destiny's Child's Survivor.  Also, when I was at Country Jam USA, Trick Pony
performed and during a little stage banter, they talked about having Waylon
Jennings and Johnny Cash performing on their first album and I think it was
Waylon when he came into the studio to record, who said something like why
the hell is Kid Rock is here, referring to Ira Dean.  Ira began to play I
think it was Cowboy before he stopped.

My first act I saw live was Amy Sky.

My favs include Lace, Beverley Mahood, Tom Jackson, Amy Sky, Alan Jackson,
Trick Pony, Trisha Yearwood, Jessica Andrews.

I thought Billy Gillman sucked before I saw him apart of Country Jam USA.
After Country Jam USA, I thought he really sucks.  :)

I only meet Lace, Tom Jackson and Amy Sky and all were very friendly and
personable.

I regret not seeing Beverley Mahood when she first came to my hometown and
her first time on the Holiday Train.  I saw her this Christmas though.  I
also regret not seeing Martina McBride and Terri Clark.  I do not regret not
seeing Amy Sky when she came to my hometown because her latest CD wasn't as
good as her first 2 CDs.

I regret seeing Billy Gillman, Asleep At The Wheel, Wynonna (at first her
show was good but than she sat on a stoll and sang for about an hour) and
the Cowboy Junkies.









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Nshvlbrat

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Nawww....hasn't anyone ever been to a Hank III concert??? LOL!
-Brat

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my house is the cat.....


Min L Shaw

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>Nawww....hasn't anyone ever been to a Hank III concert??? LOL!
>-Brat

No, dammit! I couldn't talk ANYONE into going with me that night, and I was
sure as hell not going if I had to be sober all night!

Barbara Sherrill

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> Nawww....hasn't anyone ever been to a Hank III concert??? LOL!
> -Brat
>

No but I did find out today that Hank Sr is admired by Keith Richards, Mick
Jaggered and Tom Petty....lol

Who would of thought.


mslinda

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Barbara Sherrill wrote:

Why not? Hank Sr.'s been mentioned as an influence by tons of rockers. Don't
forget that Waylon sang on the Ned Kelly soundtrack (film starring Mick) and
got a fan letter from John Lennon. Keith Richards has played on at least one
CD with George Jones. And Petty's a good ole boy from Florida ;-)

Linda C.


Dean Eaton

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Jan 23, 2003, 10:17:09 PM1/23/03
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I love the concert experience, in any venue. I prefer a smaller club or
theater rather than arena shows, and I have a lot of affection for the local
bars that still book country acts. What can be more fun than seeing Merle
Haggard at Indian Ranch, with a brew in your hand and a lot o' rowdies all
around you?

I have had far fewer "bad" experiences with country artists than with any
other kind of music.

Best shows I have seen have been Pam Tillis and band at Avalon in Boston;
several outstanding evenings with Alison Krauss, once with the Cox Family
and last year with Unin Station; Emmylou harris at the Somerville Theater;
Vince Gill at the Tweeter Center; "Del (McCoury) and the Boys" in Lowell at
the folk festival.

As a once-in-a-lifetime event, the "Down from the Mountain" show beats them
all. I doubt I'll ever see that many legends onstage at the same time, ever
again. I felt lucky to be there and cried in joy all night!

--
Dean


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Barbara Sherrill

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Quincy Jones raved about how country music was teh soul of the country. It
was really cool to him and all the other's talk about Hank and Bob Wills
with the amount of respect they were talking. I saw the girl in the front
row cringe. She has 2 shades, safety pins in her clothes, hair was spiked
and has red going from her eyes to her jaw line, with torn up stockings.
That was very entertaining...lol

Barb


Jeff Wall

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In article <Ve2Y9.3$Vw...@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Dean Eaton" <dce...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>As a once-in-a-lifetime event, the "Down from the Mountain" show beats them
>all. I doubt I'll ever see that many legends onstage at the same time, ever
>again. I felt lucky to be there and cried in joy all night!
>

me to Merlefest sometime.

Dean Eaton

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I 've always wanted to go to Merlefest!! I'd need a connection with a car,
having been a staunch non-driver for nearly 40 years.

Dean
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Ryan

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<<Let's talk about concerts. Do you like concerts or not? I know a lot of
people who think the fuss at a show
> is obnoxious, who think stage antics detract from music, and who would
really rather not have to pay money to maybe find out the artist they like
might be a hack. >>

I don't know about the "hack" part, but I personally don't like concerts.

This is probably because I don't really have a favorite artist. I have no
desire to sit and hear one artist (no matter who it is) sing some or even
all of their catalog. I'm more of a radio person and like the variety (well
as much as we have in Nashville these days) of different voices and songs.
I would never spend money for concert tickets.

--
Ryan

"Killing pigs is wrong...and also hard" - Andrew


Min L Shaw

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>This is probably because I don't really have a favorite artist. I have no
>desire to sit and hear one artist (no matter who it is) sing some or even
>all of their catalog. I'm more of a radio person and like the variety (well
>as much as we have in Nashville these days) of different voices and songs.
>I would never spend money for concert tickets.
>
>--
>Ryan

And, see, boys and girls, this is what we call, "A Different Point Of View."
One radically different from myself, because I almost have to be made to turn
on a radio (I stick with my CD library), and I'll go see just about any concert
I can afford. Anyway, this is what music is all about: Reaching each person
in a different way.

Someone like you might enjoy Brooks & Dunn's Neon Circus & Wild West Show tour,
in case it comes your way. They've got all kinds of things going on all day
with circus performers juggling and a mechanical bull you can get tossed from,
etc., etc. They have some newcomer bands performing on side stages, and the
show itself consists of several different acts. Typically, they've played
ampitheatres, so you can get a lawn admission for around $30 or so for about 6
hours' worth of entertainment. Get some friends together, and it's impossible
to get bored! (By the way, the later in the tour, the more likely you are to
see pranks being pulled by one artist on another, and with Brad Paisley part of
the tour this year, there's gonna be some stuff happening!)

Ryan

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<<> And, see, boys and girls, this is what we call, "A Different Point Of
View."
> One radically different from myself, because I almost have to be made to
turn
> on a radio (I stick with my CD library), and I'll go see just about any
concert
> I can afford. Anyway, this is what music is all about: Reaching each
person
> in a different way.>>

Very true. Actually I'm not much for CDs, I just like to listen to radio.
It's much easier than having to keep popping CDs in and out. I recently
sold 45 or so of my CDs used to Hastings. I have only 6 CDs now and feel
like that is all I need. And the 6 I do have are all pretty recent, which
means I haven't gotten tired of them yet. Music has a low retention rate
with me. If I listen to an album too many times I get sick of it and rarely
listen to it again. That's why less CDs are better in my case.

<< Someone like you might enjoy Brooks & Dunn's Neon Circus & Wild West Show
tour,
> in case it comes your way. They've got all kinds of things going on all
day
> with circus performers juggling and a mechanical bull you can get tossed
from,
> etc., etc. They have some newcomer bands performing on side stages, and
the
> show itself consists of several different acts. >>

Isn't that the Brooks & Dunn show? I think I would pass on that too. 10
times out of 10 I prefer female country singers. I've heard a lot of
singers live (unless they are lip synching) on the ACMs and CMAs and most
don't sound anywhere near as good as they do on radio singles/CD tracks.
I'll take crystal clear studio perfection (even with voice modification)
over live performances anyday.

Min L Shaw

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>Isn't that the Brooks & Dunn show? I think I would pass on that too. 10
>times out of 10 I prefer female country singers. I've heard a lot of
>singers live (unless they are lip synching) on the ACMs and CMAs and most
>don't sound anywhere near as good as they do on radio singles/CD tracks.
>I'll take crystal clear studio perfection (even with voice modification)
>over live performances anyday.
>
>--
>Ryan

Well, to be fair, just about nobody ever sounds good singing live on TV.
Acoustics are usually pretty dubious in the places they hold awards ceremonies,
and they don't seem to ever use a good sound system.

It's funny, I was talking about paintings with a friend of mine earlier. I'm
more into Impressionism than Realism, because I feel there's more soul to
Impressionist pieces. Realism pieces are striking, visually, yes, but they
rarely seem to exude a sense of life. Details and perfection are nice, I
guess, but to me, they hide the humanity of the art.

That said, I'm curious to know which 6 CD's you're keeping! I don't know how
much you got out of them at Hastings, but I've sold much of mine at Half.com
and I've raised enough since the second week of December to finance all of my 6
textbooks for this semester.

Ryan

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Jan 25, 2003, 9:52:41 PM1/25/03
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<<> Well, to be fair, just about nobody ever sounds good singing live on TV.
> Acoustics are usually pretty dubious in the places they hold awards
ceremonies,
> and they don't seem to ever use a good sound system.>>

That's fair, but I also have seen several concert videos and went to see a
few myself. To talk '70s: "I just don't dig that scene".

<<Details and perfection are nice, I
> guess, but to me, they hide the humanity of the art.>>

But part of that masterpiece is in the songwriting. I like to hear how well
a studio session compliments a good song. Concerts are like practice, and
studio CDs/singles are where an artist puts the finishing touches on songs
that most people hear via the radio and (hopefully) will encourage them to
buy that artists' CD.

<< That said, I'm curious to know which 6 CD's you're keeping!>>

In alphabetical order:

1. Suzy Bogguss - Country Classics, Volume 2. I traded in my regular Suzy
CDs and bought this collection instead. 20 of her greatest songs are on
here. It's easier than putting one CD in after another. Here's the amazing
track list:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TA3H/ref=m_art_li_3/104-5462389
-4175134

2. Norah Jones - Come Away With Me. I LOVE this CD. It's very jazzy and
bluesey (is that a word?) and is very relaxing. I know I'll never trade
this one off.

3. Shakira - Laundry Service (Washed & Dried - Extra Tracks). I first
heard this talent on "Whenever, Wherever" when the song first came out and
was blown away. The next two singles "Underneath Your Clothes" (not at all
what the title implies) and "Tango" also impressed me. Got the CD last
month and love it. There are several Spanish language tracks on here as
well. This is Shakira's first English CD, including songs she wrote and
sang in English for the first time. "Te Dejo Madrid" is my favorite on this
disc.

4. Pam Tillis - It's All Relative. Pam singing Mel. What could be better?

5. Shania - Up. I know, I know. But it is still a new CD to me, all the 6
I have are. "Up" just has really peppy songs, which are the kind I prefer.
It's just fun.

6. Buffy the Vampire Slayer - "Once More, With Feeling". This is the
soundtrack to the amazing musical episode of the same name. "Buffy" is a
great show and the CD itself is full of great tunes. This is another CD
I'll never part with.

<<> I don't know how
> much you got out of them at Hastings, but I've sold much of mine at
Half.com
> and I've raised enough since the second week of December to finance all of
my 6
> textbooks for this semester.>>

I took about 50 CDs in and got about $150 for them. Not bad. I was just
glad to have the extra space.

It's a diverse group of CDs. They reflect my musical tastes. I have, well
I'll call them "moods" of music. For a month or so I'll listen to only
country; only oldies, only jazz, only best hits (top 40 songs w/o Rap or
Rock - it's like a radio station playing the music seen on VH1 videos).
Through it all I always keep up with what is going on in the country world.
I have 4 radio pre-set buttons and 1 station of each genre listed above
reside on them. I love variety in music - it's a must have for me.

Nola Daniell

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Ryan wrote:
> I have only 6 CDs now and feel
> like that is all I need. And the 6 I do have are all pretty recent, which
> means I haven't gotten tired of them yet. Music has a low retention rate
> with me. If I listen to an album too many times I get sick of it and rarely
> listen to it again.

Cannot understand that attitude Ryan, maybe you have music ADD :)

Some of my favourite albums are ones I have had for up to 30 years, first on
vinyl, then tape and now on CD. They still sound as fresh and as good as the
day I first heard them. Some examples would be

Tapestry (1972) Carole King

Ol' No. 1. (1975) Guy Clark

West Textures (1989) Robert Earl Keen

A truly good album endures forever, maybe the ones you have been listening too
just aren't that great. How about some of our other posters - albums your have
had forever, but still listen to on a regular basis?


Nola

Ryan

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<< Cannot understand that attitude Ryan, maybe you have music ADD :) A

truly good album endures forever, maybe the ones you have been listening too
just aren't that great. >>

I love music, but no matter how great a song is there are only so many times
I can listen to it before I get sick of it. I guess I'm all about variety.
I'd rather listen to new music than old standards any day. Of course after
some time has passed I can enjoy older songs over and over again (like the
singles off albums I sold used)...when I hear them on the radio that is. I
could do without CDs completely as long as radio stations continue to
broadcast locally instead of only on expensive high-tech satellite stations.

Min L Shaw

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>I took about 50 CDs in and got about $150 for them. Not bad. I was just
>glad to have the extra space.

I assume all of your clothes are pressed neatly, 'cause you got taken to the
cleaners! I understand the need to purge, though. I've taken less for things
than I should on occassion out of impatience.

One of the first albums I ever owned was a cassette copy of Randy Travis'
"Storms Of Life." Somewhere along the road, something happened to that tape,
but by that time, it was available on CD. I similarly upgraded his "Always &
Forever" album, though I tend not to be in the mood for it as often.

Same thing with the soundtrack to "The TransFormers: The Movie." Great music?
Not really. But, it's a staple of my childhood, and I like being reminded of
where I've been and what I've enjoyed. I've got to say, though, having
listened to the instrumentals on that album as much as I did probably taught me
an appreciation for instrumentation I might not have acquired as a child
otherwise.

My brother made sure Dwight Yoakam's "Guitars, Cadillacs, Etc., Etc." and
George Strait's "Ocean Front Property" and "Beyond The Blue Neon" became
standards around the house, too. And if I had a dollar for every time the
cassettes with Dan Seals' "Bop" or Sawyer Brown's "Billy Does Your Bulldog
Bite" ("Shakin'") were played, I'd be set! All of those still exist in one
form or another around here.

Then, somewhere along the line, Adam bought a cassette from some guy called
Garth Brooks...I think he liked it 'cause it gave him the chance to sing the
word "damn" a lot.

Jeff Wall

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In article <j6zY9.2047$d66.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Ryan" <spookyrap...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I don't know about the "hack" part, but I personally don't like concerts.

Most of the artists of whom I am a big fan of, make their money on concerts
and record table sales. I would think nothing of driving a hundred miles to
see The Gourds, Drive By Truckers, Billy Joe Shaver, or some of my other
favorites,

Barbara Sherrill

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"Jeff Wall" <habitua...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have driven to Austin and San Antonio to see GS and Aaron Tippin. Even
when Aaron only played at the rodeo's there.

Barb


mslinda

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Min L Shaw wrote:

> >I took about 50 CDs in and got about $150 for them. Not bad. I was just
> >glad to have the extra space.
>
> I assume all of your clothes are pressed neatly, 'cause you got taken to the
> cleaners! I understand the need to purge, though. I've taken less for things
> than I should on occassion out of impatience.

Yeah, but some of us have piles of stuff we never paid for in the first place so
anything you get is gravy.

> One of the first albums I ever owned was a cassette copy of Randy Travis'
> "Storms Of Life." Somewhere along the road, something happened to that tape,
> but by that time, it was available on CD. I similarly upgraded his "Always &
> Forever" album, though I tend not to be in the mood for it as often.

At least half the CDs I've bought have been stuff I had on vinyl or cassette.

> Same thing with the soundtrack to "The TransFormers: The Movie." Great music?
> Not really. But, it's a staple of my childhood, and I like being reminded of
> where I've been and what I've enjoyed. I've got to say, though, having
> listened to the instrumentals on that album as much as I did probably taught me
> an appreciation for instrumentation I might not have acquired as a child
> otherwise.

I feel I owe my excellent taste in music to my parents, who made sure the first
music I heard as a baby was on 78s by Hank Sr. <g>
I still have some of them all these years later.

Linda C.


Scism...@adelphia.net

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Scism...@adelphia.net

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"Ryan" <spookyrap...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

I think I would pass on that too. 10
> times out of 10 I prefer female country singers. I've heard a lot of
> singers live (unless they are lip synching) on the ACMs and CMAs and most
> don't sound anywhere near as good as they do on radio singles/CD tracks.
> I'll take crystal clear studio perfection (even with voice modification)
> over live performances anyday.

Listen to this one:

http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/sound/09-sue-gilmore-little-girl-lost.mp3

Dean Eaton

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I still have a lot of my old LPs: soundtrack albums, the American versions
of the Beatles albums - some of which are better than the British versions -
a lot of Don Williams' stuff on MCA, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou, Gordon
Lightfoot (love that guy), Crystal Gayle, and a TON of jazz and classical.

Some of this music just doesn't sound the same unless a needle is sailing
through soft vinyl. My theory is that musical sounds take on the properties
of the medium they're recorded and played on, which is why CDs are often
called "bright-sounding".

I just remembered how amazed I was when, at the age of six or so, I realized
that the seperate songs on a record were't a "bunch of grooves" at all, but
one complex spiral groove covering one side of an LP. Weird.

I'm also one of those folks who has some kind of background music going on
in their heads all the time - a song, a theme, something. Who needs CDs
when I remember so damned much music?

Dean
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Barbara Sherrill

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"Dean Eaton" <dce...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I still have a lot of my old LPs: soundtrack albums, the American versions
> of the Beatles albums - some of which are better than the British
versions -
I use to have all of mine and hubby's old LP's they were in the closet; the
very one that got flooded a few years back when the pipes burst. Dean I am
jealous. I would give just about anything to have them once again!


Paper Roses

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On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:13:14 GMT, habitua...@yahoo.com (Jeff
Wall) wrote:

>First Concert - Marshall Tucker Band, with some hippie chick singer named
>Emmylou Harris as opening act.


First Concert - George Wright Los Angeles, CA
when: a long, long time ago

>Best Concert - Johnny Cash in a club.

Best - Brush Arbor - in a little chapel in Hollywood, CA 1982


>Biggest surprise concert - Gary Allan. w/ Jody Maphis and Ollie O'Shea in teh
>band. It was a good show.

Biggest surprise - Riders In The Sky - Arcata, CA 1994 (?)

>Biggest Disappointmet - Waylon about 5 or 6 years ago. Very boring show,
>almost like he phoned it in.


Biggest disappointment - Forrester Sisters - Eureka, CA 1994 - in
the high school gymnasium! It was terrible. The acoustics were bad,
they were short a main singer, and they kept tripping circuit
breakers. It was supposed to be held in the auditorium, but the
auditorium was closed due to damage sustained in the mag 5.3 Eureka
quake earlier that year.
What a mess.

>
>Covers? I like them. Gary Allan did a good job on Buck Owens "Before You Go"
>and Faron Young's "Wine Me Up". Cash killed on Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage and
>Beck's Rowboat".

How about covers, with a twist? Hearing Juice Newton perform "Sweet
Sweet Smile" was a hoot. She has never recorded it, and I now
regret, through 20/20 hindsight, not being prepared to try to
capture a bootleg. Of course, it was really co written by Juice and
her manager, Otha Young, and The Carpenters did a very successful
cover for the A&M label.


>
>I don't like arena shows. I like clubs.

Me too.

>I prefer Bluegrass festivals becvause
>you get more of a chance to interact with teh artists. I only attend big arena
>shows when I've got backstage credentials as I hate crowds.

Folk festivals rule. :-)
I am not going to miss heh next Kate Wolf tribute festival in
Laytonville (only 99 miles south of me). Every January, I think of
her. ;`(


I regret not having seen:

Southern Pacific - at the Ferndale Fairgrounds, in 1989;
just before they disbanded.

Linda, Emmylou, and even Dolly. I came close to seeing
Emmylou, in 1978, but tickets sold out faster than gas through
a funnel and eggs through a hen.

Martina McBride - 1996. I chose Riders In The Sky, instead. Shame
on me. But in a way, I am glad. It was a good concert. So was
their next
in the area, which I also attended.


--
-john


~~~~~~~~
Sometimes I worry about being a success in a
mediocre world. -Lily Tomlin
~~~~~~~~

Paper Roses

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On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:01:20 +0800, Nola Daniell <ndan...@wn.com.au>
wrote:

>Some of my favourite albums are ones I have had for up to 30 years, first on
>vinyl, then tape and now on CD. They still sound as fresh and as good as the
>day I first heard them.

"Well, it's a scratchy old record, but it sounds good as ever"
-Paul Davis

<g,r,d>
-actually, Marie sang that line
--
-john

Paper Roses

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On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:01:20 +0800, Nola Daniell <ndan...@wn.com.au>
wrote:

>How about some of our other posters - albums your have


>had forever, but still listen to on a regular basis?

Lots of Ives, Grant, SD Jr, and even then, quite a few singles,
as opposed to albums or mini-albums. I used to collect Earl Grant and
Sammy Davis Jr 45's, and archive them on reel-to-reel tape. That
tells you how long it's been :-) The tapes have long since been
lost in the shuffle, but I still have MUCH of the original vinyl.

Among my old-time (but not necessarily all-time) favorite albums are:

Rusty Draper - Gambler's Guitar

Dinu Lipatti - Grieg and Schumann Piano Concertos

Luciano Bertolini - Chopin - Polonaises, Nocturnes, Etudes, and
Mazurkas

James Taylor - James Taylor (1968)

James Taylor - Sweet Baby James

Henry Mancini - Visions Of Eight

Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass - Whipped Cream

Paper Roses

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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 02:36:38 GMT, "Dean Eaton" <dce...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Some of this music just doesn't sound the same unless a needle is sailing
>through soft vinyl. My theory is that musical sounds take on the properties
>of the medium they're recorded and played on, which is why CDs are often
>called "bright-sounding".


Oh, no ... don't tell me you're another one of those "high end glass
valve audiophiles" :-)


--
-john


~~~~~~~~
The first time that Microsoft makes a product that
doesn't suck is when they start making vacuum cleaners!
-Biker Lynn
~~~~~~~~

Paper Roses

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On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:44:28 -0800, "Barbara Sherrill"
<bshe...@pdq.net> wrote:

> at the rodeo's there.

I'd go, if the Sweethearts were gonna be there. :-)

Paper Roses

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On 26 Jan 2003 14:53:34 -0800, Scism...@adelphia.net
(Scism...@adelphia.net) wrote:

>http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/sound/09-sue-gilmore-little-girl-lost.mp3


I thought I had filtered you already! =sigh=
In passing, here is a link for you:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Grid/5762/

Why link directly to a non-standard MIME type through a HTTP protocol
- there is a BUG in INTERNET EXPLORER which dumps the file to the
screen unless you right-click, or click from within the browser
itself. Use a FTP link, or something. Use your head.
This is no way to promote your amateurish efforts: by using
amateurish tactics!


Meanwhile, I gotta check those filters.


--
-john


~~~~~~
"Smith did such an impressive job you expected Twain
to give her the hook at any moment"
-Larry Pynn, Vancouver Sun.
~~~~~~

allthisjoy

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Jan 31, 2003, 1:48:47 PM1/31/03
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I have so much vinyl until I can't remember what all I do have. Here are
some of my favorites that I continue to listen to on a fairly regularly:

Rocky Mountain High - John Denver
Floyd Cramer On The Rebound
Linda Ronstadt - Greatest Hits- Linda Rondstadt
Donny & Marie - "Paper Roses" is not on this one! :>(
Farewell To The First Golden Era- The Mammas and the Papas
$1,000,000.00 Worth of Twang - Duane Eddy
Reminiscing - Buddy Holly
By Request - Brenda Lee
Folk Songs of Our Time - Roger Whittaker
Judith - Judy Collins
I Love You So Much It Hurts Me - Tennessee Ernie Ford
Heavenly Sound - Mahalia Jackson
The Big Hits - lots of songs and artists on this one: Johnny Cash, Johnny
Horton, Carl Perkins, Lefty Frizzell, Ray Price, Charlie Walker, Stonewall
Jackson, George Morgan, Carl Smith, Freddie Hart)
If You Love Me Let Me Know - Olivia Newton-John
Hits Made Famous By Country Queens - Dolly Parton sings songs made famous
by Kitty Wells, Faye Tucker sings songs made famous by Patsy Cline
Frankie Laine's Greatest Hits
The Very Best of the Everly Brothers
Best Sellers by Ricky Nelson
Herb Albert's Tijuana Brass - Whipped Cream & Other Delights
Elvis and the Beatles

The End!

Best,
Dot
==========

Frank

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DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PRESALE PASSWORD FOR TICKETMASTER??


minl...@aol.com2 (Min L Shaw) wrote in message news:<20030123213257...@mb-mh.aol.com>...
> I was planning on offering my concert experiences, but I'm glad I waited,
> because I like the addendums!
>
> Firstly, I love concerts. If the price is right, hell, I'll go see someone I'm
> not even that big a fan of, just to see live entertainment.
>
> Someone earlier said they had a venue size preference based on the act, and I
> tend to agree. Overall, though, I think I prefer either an intimate, honky
> tonk level size or, at most, an ampitheatre. The only way to really enjoy a
> large arena is to find a lot of friends to go with you, and sometimes, that's
> hard. I was actually pretty bored in 2001 at the George Strait festival
> because I was with just my brother and one friend...Mind you, we were ON THE
> FIELD LEVEL! It was just too hard to feel connected to the musicians or to
> group activity.
>
> >Lemme in and sell
> >me a beer!
>
> Amen!
>
> The first act I saw perform a concert was Trisha Yearwood, opening for some guy
> called Garth Brooks. I have to say, Garth was more of an event than a concert.
> I'll never forget going to Kroger to get issued an armband with a number that
> determined how soon we could buy tickets. Hell of a thing!
>
> My favorite concert performer? Clay Walker has more energy and sustains
> control of a crowd quite well. George Strait is The Man. But, I gotta say,
> I'll go see Montgomery Gentry any chance I get. They're not polished, but they
> have fun and so does the entire crowd.
>
> Whom do I regret not having seen? Waylon F'n Jennings! If I don't get to
> during their farewell tour, add Alabama to that list. Still haven't seen Kenny
> Rogers, Randy Travis or Chris LeDoux, but I intend to.
>
> Whom do I regret having seen? I can't say I've regretting seeing anyone. I've
> seen some acts I didn't get much out of, but then, they were just acts that
> were with someone I wanted to see, so it didn't really disappoint me. There's
> one act I outright dislike and I saw that act on a package show, and as much as
> I hated seeing that act, at least I knew for sure I really, genuinely, honestly
> disliked them.
>
> Most meteorologically miserable concert? Hmm...It rained during George
> Strait's set in 1999, but not much; in fact, during "Carrying Your Love With
> Me," George smiled and gestured at the sky during the line, "On a lonely
> highway, stuck out in the rain..." The only time the elements were really a
> problem was during the Neon Circus in Indianapolis last year; the sun was
> bearing right down on the lawn until it went down, so for 80% of the acts, we
> were blinded and miserable. Whomever is responsible for the layout of that
> place should be shot!
>
> Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (outdoor): Montgomery Gentry, Fourth of July, 2002.
> Rodney Carrington must've been there somewhere yelling, "Show me yer titties!"
> 'cause plenty of women did. (Also, this is also the concert I've most
> regretted not having brought a camera.)
>
> Drunkest, rowdiest crowd (indoor): Probably Hank, Jr. at the 2001 KY State
> Fair, with Eddie & T-Roy opening, followed by a guy I agreed wouldn't be
> mentioned in this thread. The highlight was probably when, entirely
> unannounced, Cledus T. showed up! He got onstage with Montgomery Gentry for
> "Hillbilly Shoes" and worked the crowd between sets. It was fun!
>
> Also, the first time I saw a fight break out at a show was Gary Allan in 2001
> at Coyote's. Guy A slugged Guy B, who collided with people next to me. I just
> shrugged it off and kept singing along with whatever Haggard cover it was that
> Gary was singing at the moment.

Barbara Sherrill

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"Frank" <f.ha...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PRESALE PASSWORD FOR TICKETMASTER??
>

If its for Kenny Chesney... go to his website and write them. I am sure that
they have it.


~^Johnny^~

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:48:47 -0500, allthisjoy <allth...@ftc-i.net>
wrote:

>Donny & Marie - "Paper Roses" is not on this one! :>(

It's on Marie's LP, entitled: "Paper Roses". :-)
Coincidentally, it is also on Frank and Belinda's album (CD), of teh
same title.
Is it Deja-vu, or do I recall mentioning this before?

allthisjoy

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Hi John,

I wish I had that one of Marie's, but I don't! :>( I only have the one
lp and it is the one with brother and sister that is titled "Donny and
Marie". Good lp.

I really think this is a very pretty song and I love MOs version of it.
However, gotta say that I really love Kitty Wells version as well.

Yes, I think it is Deja-Vu. ;>)

Best,
Dot
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TDFL

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I'm in the same boat, still haven't gotten mine. How long does it take?


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